The Syndicate

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:25 pm Why did you put yourself in your own POE?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:01 pm We have civ cleared so many people, I think the only people it could be are spf or pyxxy.

Spf pinged the heck out of me yesterday. She put herself in her own poe and then voted herself when she believed there was a 60% chance falcon was bad.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:12 pm if you think that me self voting is alignment indicative then you have much to learn about SPF lol

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:12 pm if you think that me self voting is alignment indicative then you have much to learn about SPF lol

So I'm wrong?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:25 pm I mean, you're the one that said this solve was easy.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:58 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:40 pm up to EoD1 and feeling like i wanna lunch six the most

it's impressive to me how he's mentioned being new so many times (i had no recollection he actually said it at D1 close to EoD also, and the timing of it was crude too, he had 2 votes on him i believe and the top wagon maybe had 2-3) even tho he's done this before. him keeping on bringing it up just smells like a wolf excusing himself. new wolf players love to do that and as a villa randing the third time, he should've accumulated some knowledge and pursue new avenues, solving more, but instead he repeats the fact he's new before he outs any reads. all this excusing must mean he has some awareness of the thread, but instead of commentating on the important things, he picks the self-defence angle.

and idt he's clearable from voting falcon, it's pretty much the only avenue that team can take and have ~any sort of a fighting chance

nobody else feels like a wolf that's posting itt up to EoD1 to me (didn't get to the seanzie flashwagon but yah). maybe dennis? but for some reason it feels wrong

Dennis is civ. I'm fairly positive. I don't believe six is bad either, but further if he had 2 experienced partners like falcon and seanzie he would have done a better job playing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:12 pm if you think that me self voting is alignment indicative then you have much to learn about SPF lol

So I'm wrong?

it would be harder to find a game where i have not self-voted as either alignment than it would to be to find a gamed where i haven't self-voted, so yes

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:31 pm i think that you are falling into the trap of scumreading me for playstyle related reasons that have nothing to do with my alignment instead of looking more broadly at how i have played. you are far from the first player who has done that and i'm sure you will not be the last

for future reference, the best way to get a read on me is to ask questions like: "what angles is SPF pushing?" or "does SPF have a clear agenda?" and not: "does SPF do silly things like self-vote?"

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:33 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:58 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:40 pm up to EoD1 and feeling like i wanna lunch six the most

it's impressive to me how he's mentioned being new so many times (i had no recollection he actually said it at D1 close to EoD also, and the timing of it was crude too, he had 2 votes on him i believe and the top wagon maybe had 2-3) even tho he's done this before. him keeping on bringing it up just smells like a wolf excusing himself. new wolf players love to do that and as a villa randing the third time, he should've accumulated some knowledge and pursue new avenues, solving more, but instead he repeats the fact he's new before he outs any reads. all this excusing must mean he has some awareness of the thread, but instead of commentating on the important things, he picks the self-defence angle.

and idt he's clearable from voting falcon, it's pretty much the only avenue that team can take and have ~any sort of a fighting chance

nobody else feels like a wolf that's posting itt up to EoD1 to me (didn't get to the seanzie flashwagon but yah). maybe dennis? but for some reason it feels wrong

Dennis is civ. I'm fairly positive. I don't believe six is bad either, but further if he had 2 experienced partners like falcon and seanzie he would have done a better job playing.

how can you be so certain of that if he's never randed a wolf?

and afaict his villa play is to start slow as well, on surface level there isn't ~too much of a difference in activity of posting and number of posts, am i wrong?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:25 pm I mean, you're the one that said this solve was easy.

i do think the game is easy

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:25 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 9:46 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:31 pm for transparency my current POE is falcon, sixstrings, sig, and ted

i think if we live in an easy world, the remaining wolves are in that pool

in a harder world, there's proly one wolf in that pool and one wolf outside of it, but i'm struggling to see who that would be. i think kate and lemonfairy are both hard town. i've gotten quite a few townpings from both PSV and pxy to the extent that i'm not comfortable having them in my POE

i've gotten townpings from both neon/dennis as well but i suppose i feel the less strongly about them than my other townreads, so if i'm misclearing somewhere then my gut tells me it's proly in those two names

May I ask why you aren't voting falcon? Do you feel certain that it's ted?

because i have been using my vote today primarily to add pressure, and i feel that falcon already has more than enough pressure right now. i do not feel certain that it's ted, and i would probably rather resolve the other names in my POE right now (ie: falcon/sig/sixstrings) before i resolve him

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:00 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:12 pm if you think that me self voting is alignment indicative then you have much to learn about SPF lol

So I'm wrong?

it would be harder to find a game where i have not self-voted as either alignment than it would to be to find a gamed where i haven't self-voted, so yes

Yes, I'm wrong that self voting indicates y9ure wolf or that youre a wolf?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:31 pm i think that you are falling into the trap of scumreading me for playstyle related reasons that have nothing to do with my alignment instead of looking more broadly at how i have played. you are far from the first player who has done that and i'm sure you will not be the last

for future reference, the best way to get a read on me is to ask questions like: "what angles is SPF pushing?" or "does SPF have a clear agenda?" and not: "does SPF do silly things like self-vote?"

Thanks for the lesson

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:07 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:25 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 9:46 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:31 pm for transparency my current POE is falcon, sixstrings, sig, and ted

i think if we live in an easy world, the remaining wolves are in that pool

in a harder world, there's proly one wolf in that pool and one wolf outside of it, but i'm struggling to see who that would be. i think kate and lemonfairy are both hard town. i've gotten quite a few townpings from both PSV and pxy to the extent that i'm not comfortable having them in my POE

i've gotten townpings from both neon/dennis as well but i suppose i feel the less strongly about them than my other townreads, so if i'm misclearing somewhere then my gut tells me it's proly in those two names

May I ask why you aren't voting falcon? Do you feel certain that it's ted?

because i have been using my vote today primarily to add pressure, and i feel that falcon already has more than enough pressure right now. i do not feel certain that it's ted, and i would probably rather resolve the other names in my POE right now (ie: falcon/sig/sixstrings) before i resolve him

So your vote's for pressure or for fun? Because this post jumped off the page at me yesterday. Especially with you and falcon's timing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:08 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:00 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:12 pm if you think that me self voting is alignment indicative then you have much to learn about SPF lol

So I'm wrong?

it would be harder to find a game where i have not self-voted as either alignment than it would to be to find a gamed where i haven't self-voted, so yes

Yes, I'm wrong that self voting indicates y9ure wolf or that youre a wolf?

both!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:08 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:31 pm i think that you are falling into the trap of scumreading me for playstyle related reasons that have nothing to do with my alignment instead of looking more broadly at how i have played. you are far from the first player who has done that and i'm sure you will not be the last

for future reference, the best way to get a read on me is to ask questions like: "what angles is SPF pushing?" or "does SPF have a clear agenda?" and not: "does SPF do silly things like self-vote?"

Thanks for the lesson

this seems really passive aggressive but i'm not trying to be sassy with you, just explaining that the stuff you're using to figure out my alignment is not actually going to help you with reading me

I don't take any of this shit seriously or personally. Just trying to have a little fun, I promise. Outside the thread it's nothing but love

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:10 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:08 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:00 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:12 pm if you think that me self voting is alignment indicative then you have much to learn about SPF lol

So I'm wrong?

it would be harder to find a game where i have not self-voted as either alignment than it would to be to find a gamed where i haven't self-voted, so yes

Yes, I'm wrong that self voting indicates y9ure wolf or that youre a wolf?

both!

Thought so lol

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:03 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:25 pm I mean, you're the one that said this solve was easy.

i do think the game is easy

So then who is the 3rd wolf?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:08 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:31 pm i think that you are falling into the trap of scumreading me for playstyle related reasons that have nothing to do with my alignment instead of looking more broadly at how i have played. you are far from the first player who has done that and i'm sure you will not be the last

for future reference, the best way to get a read on me is to ask questions like: "what angles is SPF pushing?" or "does SPF have a clear agenda?" and not: "does SPF do silly things like self-vote?"

Thanks for the lesson

this seems really passive aggressive but i'm not trying to be sassy with you, just explaining that the stuff you're using to figure out my alignment is not actually going to help you with reading me

I don't take any of this shit seriously or personally. Just trying to have a little fun, I promise. Outside the thread it's nothing but love

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:22 pm it ....could be sixstrings. one thing that does make me worried about him is actually just how consensus-y/"agreeable" his reads were when he checked into the thread, even though he is clearly absent. i would expect a villager who is struggling to play or keep up with the game to not have many confident reads, but sixstrings had a readslist that was almost entirely in agreement with the consensus, which could indicate that he was being fed information by this team - this is the exact tell that i used to catch beggbow wayyy back in season 7 game 6

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:22 pm it ....could be sixstrings. one thing that does make me worried about him is actually just how consensus-y/"agreeable" his reads were when he checked into the thread, even though he is clearly absent. i would expect a villager who is struggling to play or keep up with the game to not have many confident reads, but sixstrings had a readslist that was almost entirely in agreement with the consensus, which could indicate that he was being fed information by this team - this is the exact tell that i used to catch beggbow wayyy back in season 7 game 6

this is a wordier angle of my thoughts also

being lost / scattered and then dropping a list with 7 villas and a wolf

idk, it feels like his posting is perceptive about the thread but the things he's choosing to pick on are the problem. he could hunt, but instead with the thread awareness he had, he chose to focus on explaining why he's not doing much or whatever, instead of helping or hunting, asking questions

just feels like his approach is calculated to me, hope that previous explanation makes some sense

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:23 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:08 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:31 pm i think that you are falling into the trap of scumreading me for playstyle related reasons that have nothing to do with my alignment instead of looking more broadly at how i have played. you are far from the first player who has done that and i'm sure you will not be the last

for future reference, the best way to get a read on me is to ask questions like: "what angles is SPF pushing?" or "does SPF have a clear agenda?" and not: "does SPF do silly things like self-vote?"

Thanks for the lesson

this seems really passive aggressive but i'm not trying to be sassy with you, just explaining that the stuff you're using to figure out my alignment is not actually going to help you with reading me

I don't take any of this shit seriously or personally. Just trying to have a little fun, I promise. Outside the thread it's nothing but love

i'm glad, just wanted to make sure cause i can get heated sometimes too and i don't like tilting ppl lol

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:34 pm i also have a pet theory that the only way he could've gotten to psv as a "locked villa" alongside kate on D2 is by seeing seanzie's push there and having the TMI that he spewed her with his treatment, but nobody else had psv as a villager with that level of confidence

i know it's wolfy of me to say this given i've pushed psv all game, but i've re-read and can easily see how someone might think psv is a villa off seanzie.

having 2 confirmed villas is unusual of six (unless i'm wrong? i don't think i've ever seen him declare a villa read with such confidence) especially when one of them nobody was viewing as a locked villa. also dropping 7 villas is unusual behavior too, yes?

this is primarily directed to kate, i assume she played all the games he was in

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:05 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:00 pm I feel like @MacDougall ... is anybody reading my posts? Lol

I'm reading, but I don't agree on falcon so I don't want to vote there. Sorry.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:07 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:03 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:01 pm side note
falcon/Ted are crossvoting and there's 2 people on both

doesn't really make me think they're w/w
like ok, maybe they could be distancing but it's only D2 and their scumpartner just got elimmed
voting each other is not really the best move rn if they're a team

Why? One of them is likely going down today. If they're teammate was on the other wagon, especially early wouldn't that look pretty townie?

I mean, idk about you guys, but in this situation I'm bending over backwards to save my partner if at all possible. Lot easier to get to parity with two instead of one. Neither is really a lost cause. Part of it is playstyle differences I guess but I would not be voting my last partner here because that's not going to gain them much cred.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:38 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:34 pm i also have a pet theory that the only way he could've gotten to psv as a "locked villa" alongside kate on D2 is by seeing seanzie's push there and having the TMI that he spewed her with his treatment, but nobody else had psv as a villager with that level of confidence

i know it's wolfy of me to say this given i've pushed psv all game, but i've re-read and can easily see how someone might think psv is a villa off seanzie.

having 2 confirmed villas is unusual of six (unless i'm wrong? i don't think i've ever seen him declare a villa read with such confidence) especially when one of them nobody was viewing as a locked villa. also dropping 7 villas is unusual behavior too, yes?

this is primarily directed to kate, i assume she played all the games he was in

I play much more by gut and vibes and psv seems awfully genuine to me. There was a post she made where she explained to me why she wasn't voting falcon and it was just so...true? I think that's the right word. I don't think the solve is psv. Let me look for that post.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:42 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:07 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:03 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:01 pm side note
falcon/Ted are crossvoting and there's 2 people on both

doesn't really make me think they're w/w
like ok, maybe they could be distancing but it's only D2 and their scumpartner just got elimmed
voting each other is not really the best move rn if they're a team

Why? One of them is likely going down today. If they're teammate was on the other wagon, especially early wouldn't that look pretty townie?

I mean, idk about you guys, but in this situation I'm bending over backwards to save my partner if at all possible. Lot easier to get to parity with two instead of one. Neither is really a lost cause. Part of it is playstyle differences I guess but I would not be voting my last partner here because that's not going to gain them much cred.

Here is one example.of that @tedxtr

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:45 pm i think that falcon was very much in anti-spew for almost the entirety of yesterday, for whatever that is worth. i have seen him try to survive as scum before and i have seen him try to be towny as scum before. what happened yesterday was not that

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:45 pm i think that falcon was very much in anti-spew for almost the entirety of yesterday, for whatever that is worth. i have seen him try to survive as scum before and i have seen him try to be towny as scum before. what happened yesterday was not that

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:48 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:45 pm i think that falcon was very much in anti-spew for almost the entirety of yesterday, for whatever that is worth. i have seen him try to survive as scum before and i have seen him try to be towny as scum before. what happened yesterday was not that

yeah, he wasn't trying to live for sure

but his posts on psv are just ~bad, if she's my partner and im falcon, i probably just ignore her with his progression. there was thread momentum against psv previously (lemon / neon both voted, i was hard pushing) and he spends time making posts that make no logical sense w/r/t psv, which would make us feel compelled to flip her

so that just makes me feel like he was trying to set her up after his death. but all of this could be wifom idk

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:21 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:17 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 1:32 pm [VOTE: PSV] aubergine

why?

tbd but

Seanzie died with his vote on Kate (who was 99% town and is now obv town and will soon be dead town bc obv town)

falcon died with his vote on Kate (lol) but voted PSV earlier here

falcon also ended with his vote on PSV D1

did falcon seriously push PSV D1? or was falcon's work today an attempt to cover for what was supposed to be light bussing on D1 (i.e. voting PSV) by trying to make it seem like it was just a normal "scum trying to push a townie" push?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:27 pm just to clarify, the strategy that i'm using to win the game is one that i borrowed from jaggedjimmyjay. you take the number of eliminations left in the game and then subtract one (assuming that you will be a miselimination yourself), to create a POE that you are confident about winning the game

so my goal is simply to find 3 names that i am confident need to contain the final mafia and then force the rest of the game to sheep that solve if i ever die. given the amount of people in this game that feel obviously town, this is a very doable task

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:40 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:27 pm just to clarify, the strategy that i'm using to win the game is one that i borrowed from jaggedjimmyjay. you take the number of eliminations left in the game and then subtract one (assuming that you will be a miselimination yourself), to create a POE that you are confident about winning the game

so my goal is simply to find 3 names that i am confident need to contain the final mafia and then force the rest of the game to sheep that solve if i ever die. given the amount of people in this game that feel obviously town, this is a very doable task

Ok. But this doesn't make my posts or feelings about you wrong. So, if I don't die tonight, I would have 3 people in my poe and myself which makes no sense, bc we'd win as soon as we lynch the one wolf who obviously isn't me. So I'm not grasping why you're putting yourself in there unless you are acquiescing that youre play is wolfy.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:56 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:55 am not willing to vote today:

kate
lemonfairy
potentialshelter
pyxxy
dennis (probably)
neon (maybe)

to be frank i dont' really care that much about who we eliminate beyond that because i am currently living in a world where the game is easily solvable with another flip or two

i think this list ~could~ be pure but even if there is even only one wolf in this pool then i think the game is still easily winnable, barring weird worlds where kate/lemon are mafia and snowing me

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:22 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:03 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:25 pm I mean, you're the one that said this solve was easy.

i do think the game is easy

So then who is the 3rd wolf?

as for the final wolf, i think that you and lemonfairy are both clear. i don't think that you would deathtunnel falcon like that if you were a wolf with him and i also think the conviction behind your reads (and the way you have consistently shut down eliminations on players that would be easy to push) is real

i think that lemonfairy is probably clear too because her reaction to both seanzie and falcon dying indicates a lack of TMI - i think it would be tough for a wolf to fake that genuine sense of panic about having her vote parked on seanzie and believing he was going to flip town, and it would be a really suave move for her to pull ooff if she's wolfing

i lean on neon being clear as well, primarily because the conviction behind the way that she defended falcon felt very real to me and it is identical to the progressions i have seen her have in the last two games that i played with her where she was town. i do have some paranoia about her replicating her town meta and just playing a strong wolfgame but i do think she's more likely town than not

leaning on ted being clear as well but this is pending some further VCA - the way that falcon and ted pushed on each other throughout d2 is a weird angle for two wolves to take after a partner has already died, and i think that even in a world where the plan was to set up one of falcon/ted to go deep and endgame, it would have played out differently/more theatrically. i also think the way ted has gravitated back and forth with his read on psv is genuine

it ....could be sixstrings. one thing that does make me worried about him is actually just how consensus-y/"agreeable" his reads were when he checked into the thread, even though he is clearly absent. i would expect a villager who is struggling to play or keep up with the game to not have many confident reads, but sixstrings had a readslist that was almost entirely in agreement with the consensus, which could indicate that he was being fed information by this team - this is the exact tell that i used to catch beggbow wayyy back in season 7 game 6

but on a surface level, i agree that his vote on falcon looks good

as for sig, i don't know - i really liked the depth of thought in his posting when he was around and the only reason i have paranoia about him is probably just the fact that he hasn't been around very much. he could be a wolf in theory but it doesn't really feel right to me

i feel roughly the same about dennis - he ~could~ be mafia but it doesn't feel right. he feels a lot townier than the wolfgame i played with him at the beginning of the year. the timing of his push on both seanzie and falcon would be weird for dennis to do as W, cause i dont think he's the type of scum player to try to solo endgame by himself. i'm actually leaning on clearing him now that i'm writing this out, because my paranoia against him isn't totally justified

i have thoughts about pyx/psv but i don't have time to write them out right now. in short, i lean town on pxy and if there's one townread that i was misclearing on d1, it might be specifically just psv

so my game winning POE rn would look like exactly psv, pxy, sixstrings, and myself. if i had to narrow it down even further, i'd probably vote psv right now based solely on gut

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:27 pm hm maybe I misread your post Ted sorry