The Syndicate

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Popping in to make a few comments. I will have to do the rest of my catching up over the Holiday.

(I wish we had a slow-clap emoticon, because I would insert it here and then say:) Congrats to Epi for leading another civ-lynch-bandwagon. I'm sure the other voters have given reasons for their vote, but I have not gotten that far. Russti could have been a huge asset

@SVS: Thank you for clearing up your vote for Mongoose. I still think you're bad. And I now suspect that Epi is on your team. However, the fact that you openly stated that you don't think he's bad gives me pause here. Why defend a teammate who just did what Epi did? More on this later...

@MR: Think what you want, but I will die the first time around.

For the record, when this night is over, I will be voting for either Epignosis or S-V-S.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Popping in to make a few comments. I will have to do the rest of my catching up over the Holiday.

(I wish we had a slow-clap emoticon, because I would insert it here and then say:) Congrats to Epi for leading another civ-lynch-bandwagon. I'm sure the other voters have given reasons for their vote, but I have not gotten that far. Russti could have been a huge asset

@SVS: Thank you for clearing up your vote for Mongoose. I still think you're bad. And I now suspect that Epi is on your team. However, the fact that you openly stated that you don't think he's bad gives me pause here. Why defend a teammate who just did what Epi did? More on this later...

@MR: Think what you want, but I will die the first time around.

For the record, when this night is over, I will be voting for either Epignosis or S-V-S.

FZ. wrote:Damn it! I thought when I left, that we weren't going to vote for Russ. What the hell happened?

DFaraday wrote:Also, BWT has agreed to come back, and is replacing reywaS.

I'm trying to think what this could mean in terms of BWT alignment in his previous as well as his current role. I'm too tired to think about it, but I think we can learn something from this, so if anyone has a theory, please share.

I'll have to go back and see who are the people who voted and why, but I don't have time right now. Still mad though. Can't understand why you lynched him.

FZ. wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:Damn it! I thought when I left, that we weren't going to vote for Russ. What the hell happened?

I was just sitting here waiting for your disapproving post.
I don't know why you'd leave thinking that people weren't going to vote for him, I really do not get that. Whatever gave you that impression..
Anyways, why don't you step up and be part of an actual lynch? I'd like to see if you can do any better.

Well, I hope I delivered

Apparently, I can't be part of an actual lynch because people vote when I'm asleep. I told you Russ seemed pretty OK to me. If you don't trust my instincts anymore, that's fine.
Every one is obviously looking for baddies to make themselves look goo. So I believe most people when they accuse someone else, that they think that person is really suspicious. Which would obviously make it harder for the lie detector...

I thought Elo's reasons for voting were a cop out, but her husband seems to think she's legit and everyone is trusting of that. I can understand. I'd like to think I know my husband well enough to know when he's lying.

Looking at people who voted for Russ, there are a few who have really fishy reasons. I've trusted MP for most of the game so far, but he gave too many reasons for his vote, and it made me think he's aiming to please. I got all the hesitation, I just didn't get the final decision to vote for Russ. If anything, between the two he contemplated, I'd have gone for Sorsha.

S~V~S wrote: Generally, when a host lets the dead replace in, it means that wither they had no BTSC/role related info in their original life, OR they are replacing back into the same BTSC group. Hosts will not take a person from a bad BTS group and make them a civvie, for instance, or make a dead civvie role checker into a baddie.

Also, why would you expect people to block vote that way? Do you think all the Ksiters are civs? From a strictly statistical standpoint, at least one of you is probably bad. How are you so sure you can all trust each other? I am interested in this personally as well, becasue I found that the place I was a biggest fail at the Ksite game was the fact that i found myself ONLY suspecting the people I knew after the Onox lynch, because it was easy to do that. I found it much harder to trust them than to distrust them.

FZ. wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:Damn it! I thought when I left, that we weren't going to vote for Russ. What the hell happened?

I was just sitting here waiting for your disapproving post.
I don't know why you'd leave thinking that people weren't going to vote for him, I really do not get that. Whatever gave you that impression..
Anyways, why don't you step up and be part of an actual lynch? I'd like to see if you can do any better.

Oh, and to answer your question, what gave me the impression we won't going to lynch him was your post before I went to sleep saying maybe us Ksiters could agree on a person to lynch, and since I did not agree on Russ, I thought you were going to drop it.

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote: Apparently, I can't be part of an actual lynch because people vote when I'm asleep. I told you Russ seemed pretty OK to me. If you don't trust my instincts anymore, that's fine.

Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking? That is exactly how I feel playing in the UK, polls very rarely end before midnight and I always feel compelled to stay up. Not with this game though, I don't love anyone here enough to stay awake until 6 am.

Looking at people who voted for Russ, there are a few who have really fishy reasons. I've trusted MP for most of the game so far, but he gave too many reasons for his vote, and it made me think he's aiming to please. I got all the hesitation, I just didn't get the final decision to vote for Russ. If anything, between the two he contemplated, I'd have gone for Sorsha.

Given his discussion for most of the day I'd kinda expected MP to go for SVS. He did say what he'd seen from Sorsha is what he thinks is normal civ behaviour for her as well, so if he'd put a vote on her that would actually have made me kinda suspicious.

I'll Pm you

S~V~S wrote:


Also, why would you expect people to block vote that way? Do you think all the Ksiters are civs? From a strictly statistical standpoint, at least one of you is probably bad. How are you so sure you can all trust each other? I am interested in this personally as well, becasue I found that the place I was a biggest fail at the Ksite game was the fact that i found myself ONLY suspecting the people I knew after the Onox lynch, because it was easy to do that. I found it much harder to trust them than to distrust them.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, that is TERRIBLE. So sorry Russ, RIP.

FZ. wrote:
Looking at people who voted for Russ, there are a few who have really fishy reasons. I've trusted MP for most of the game so far, but he gave too many reasons for his vote, and it made me think he's aiming to please. I got all the hesitation, I just didn't get the final decision to vote for Russ. If anything, between the two he contemplated, I'd have gone for Sorsha.

Elo's reasons for voting may be a cop out, but she's acted like this time and time again in games and been lynched and come up civvie time and time again, often led by me, so I am really hesitant on that front. So when Epig vouches for her, considering his near 100% track record on her, combined with the fact she seems like her civvie self to me, then I don't see a reason to vote that way for the time being.

Sorry you didn't like my vote, and it turns out I hate it myself now, but the only two players that had votes hen I voted were Sorsha and Russ, and Sorsha's behavior is much more par for the course from her, and I had to vote someone -- I just really didn't know what to do. You're right, maybe I should have voted Sorsha, maybe she should go tomorrow. You were all gung ho to vote for SVS and yet you didn't vote that way, then you come back and point fingers at the players who actually tried to do something with their votes.

Despite Hedge's route of going with the top players, I'm beginning to suspect that it's possible many of our baddies are specifically avoiding the bandwagons (ESPECIALLY this past vote, Mongoose maybe not as much) so that they avoid the limelight. It's possible we do have a baddie or two among the top posters, but looking at them... I am not so sure. If Epig, MR, and K4J are bad, then they're doing a FANTASTIC job because currently I lean towards believing every single one of them. I don't even know what to think about S~V~S anymore.

I can't believe there were TEN players who didn't vote. What the hell is that?

Linkitis with SVS

MovingPictures07 wrote: Yes, true re: BWT. That means he very likely was a baddie replacing into the same baddie team or he was a civvie with no BTSC/info role. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Where did this KSite stuff come from? What do you mean by block voting? I got lost there.

But anyway, you do have a decent point regarding the KSite game... I would like to see what the KSiters think about each other right now given everything that has transpired thus far.

Personally, what I'm currently thinking is...

K4J - Very likely civvie
FZ. - No idea, maybe slightly baddie, but I haven't really thought about her
Lou - Same as FZ
Summer - Was leaning slightly baddie earlier, now maybe slightly civvie... Not sure

Which means I'm really not sure what the heck's going on with any of them... except K4J. And maybe he IS bad, but if he is bad, then IMO he deserves to win with the way he's playing because he's coming across genuine as hell to me this past cycle.

S~V~S wrote:Based on this, and the first part of the post i quoted, i got the impression that FZ wanted the Ksiters to block vote, all vote for the same person.

FZ. wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:Damn it! I thought when I left, that we weren't going to vote for Russ. What the hell happened?

I was just sitting here waiting for your disapproving post.
I don't know why you'd leave thinking that people weren't going to vote for him, I really do not get that. Whatever gave you that impression..
Anyways, why don't you step up and be part of an actual lynch? I'd like to see if you can do any better.

Oh, and to answer your question, what gave me the impression we won't going to lynch him was your post before I went to sleep saying maybe us Ksiters could agree on a person to lynch, and since I did not agree on Russ, I thought you were going to drop it.

FZ. wrote:
I don't know what to think of SVS and MP. I just read his recent post, and I'm back to thinking he's a civ. And yeah, I change my mind.
As for SVS, some of the things actions seem really suspicious, but then she talks and it sounds genuine. So I actually get MP's hesitance if it's real. I'm feeling it too. The only game I played with him, the baddies killed me early on, but I felt the same way I'm feeling about MP as I do now. I felt that a lot of the things he was feeling, were the same as me.

Sorsha is the kind of player that if they turn out scum, I'd be disappointed. I hate when baddies do things that are too obvious scummy. Like vote without giving good reasons, or laying low and trying to blend in. That's my blind spot. I expect baddies to be clever and not obvious. But sometimes they are obvious, and I miss it. So this could be the case. You all know her better. How is she when scum?

FZ. wrote: There is no 4 Ksiters block.

FZ. wrote: This post actually made me feel better about you again. I had a momentary concern, but since I actually get most of your suspicions, I feel better.
I admit, I didn't get the suspicion for Russ. There was a moment there where I accused him of blaming Epi for his vote (I think it was Russ), but later on, everything he said just felt genuine. And when I see people not seeing what I think is obvious, it makes me concerned about them.

As for me pointing fingers at people who "actually try to do something with their votes", I'm kind of offended here. First, I try to do things with my vote. It's not my fault people don't follow me here. When I left for bed, no one had more than 2 votes at most, and I believe Russ had none or maybe 1. I had hoped things would go a different way. I would have preferred to lynch Vopm or A person for their lack of contribution which is done on purpose than to lynch Russ.
Also, I'd rather people think I'm suspicious for not voting someone I believe is a civ than actually lynch a civ. That's me. I guess if I were scum, I might act differently.

I have noticed that you come off more aggressive in this game than how I saw you on Ksite. Can you explain it?

FZ. wrote: In regard to the people from ksite:
K4J comes off as a civ to me, but K4J is a very very good player, and having two scum teams which is something we usually don't have on ksite, makes it much easier for him to appear genuine and trying to find scum. He's usually pretty good at finding scum, so I'm actually surprised he went with Russ. Then again, if he were a baddie, he'd want to deliver a baddie in the lynch, so I'm going to assume for now, it's just an honest mistake. Just don't let him off that easily. He's someone to keep an eye on.
FZ- that's me. 100% civ
Lou- Finding it hard to read her this game. She's not how I would expect her to act and flying under the radar, but this is a different site, and different circumstances, so maybe that's why she feels like that. I'm not getting any strong baddie vibe.
Summer- I feel like she's a civ.

I'm trying to focus on figuring out the players I don't know and that's taking a hell of a lot of my energy and time...

S~V~S wrote:"Block" was the wrong word, I meant voting together as a group~

I have played Mafia with Sorsha a long time. At the time we played across 4 sites, LP, RM, TP, & HV, we both played all of those sites. Sorsha does not do scummy things in the thread when she is bad in general. She is a very careful player. She starts out slow most games and blossoms later on, good or bad. I think her posts recently seemed like frustration at some thread shenanigans.

Epignosis wrote:bloc
bläk/
noun
noun: bloc; plural noun: blocs

1.
a combination of countries, parties, or groups sharing a common purpose.
"a center-left voting bloc"

Epignosis wrote:bloc
bläk/
noun
noun: bloc; plural noun: blocs

1.
a combination of countries, parties, or groups sharing a common purpose.
"a center-left voting bloc"

MovingPictures07 wrote:How am I not even in the top 5 posters? WTF!?

I know right? Mongoose was lynched and she is still second. I would hate to make it a competition, but you are solidly a top 10 poster.

Hedgeowl wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How am I not even in the top 5 posters? WTF!?

I know right? Mongoose was lynched and she is still second. I would hate to make it a competition, but you are solidly a top 10 poster.

Also, it is a valid point that baddies would be leery of voting the lynched civ every time, but with two baddie teams they don't know who is civ and who isn't either. So, I am willing to bet with the votes so spread out that some wanted to make sure one of the teamies didn't get lynched instead.

Bullz - fair point. We all should be taking more time for analysis. I will try to do some rereads before next lynch. It's a somewhat daunting task when taking on top posters instead of low ones however.

FZ. wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:Damn it! I thought when I left, that we weren't going to vote for Russ. What the hell happened?

I was just sitting here waiting for your disapproving post.
I don't know why you'd leave thinking that people weren't going to vote for him, I really do not get that. Whatever gave you that impression..
Anyways, why don't you step up and be part of an actual lynch? I'd like to see if you can do any better.

Well, I hope I delivered

Apparently, I can't be part of an actual lynch because people vote when I'm asleep. I told you Russ seemed pretty OK to me. If you don't trust my instincts anymore, that's fine.
Every one is obviously looking for baddies to make themselves look goo. So I believe most people when they accuse someone else, that they think that person is really suspicious. Which would obviously make it harder for the lie detector...

I thought Elo's reasons for voting were a cop out, but her husband seems to think she's legit and everyone is trusting of that. I can understand. I'd like to think I know my husband well enough to know when he's lying.

Looking at people who voted for Russ, there are a few who have really fishy reasons. I've trusted MP for most of the game so far, but he gave too many reasons for his vote, and it made me think he's aiming to please. I got all the hesitation, I just didn't get the final decision to vote for Russ. If anything, between the two he contemplated, I'd have gone for Sorsha.

Bullzeye wrote: Given his discussion for most of the day I'd kinda expected MP to go for SVS. He did say what he'd seen from Sorsha is what he thinks is normal civ behaviour for her as well, so if he'd put a vote on her that would actually have made me kinda suspicious.

MovingPictures07 wrote: But anyway, you do have a decent point regarding the KSite game... I would like to see what the KSiters think about each other right now given everything that has transpired thus far.

Personally, what I'm currently thinking is...

K4J - Very likely civvie
FZ. - No idea, maybe slightly baddie, but I haven't really thought about her
Lou - Same as FZ
Summer - Was leaning slightly baddie earlier, now maybe slightly civvie... Not sure

Which means I'm really not sure what the heck's going on with any of them... except K4J. And maybe he IS bad, but if he is bad, then IMO he deserves to win with the way he's playing because he's coming across genuine as hell to me this past cycle.

K4J: Townie.
FZ: I keep going back and forth. She's definitely playing a different game then what I am used to seeing from her. Obviously in the beginning I was put off by her change, and didn't like that she was changing her style because it could still be a scum cover up. Since then I've seen more of her characteristics, like her suspicions and her not being happy with the decisions other people are making. That being said I still feel she is flying under the radar, for example I don't see her trying to secure a lynch, she votes last minute, goes to sleep but comes back to complain with our decision when she did not do all that much to prevent it besides saying "he seemed pretty OK" (about Russ). So I am watching her.
Lou: I think she's probably more likely to be a townie, she's not putting in a 100%, but I think that's because it's a new environment. I think she'd be trying more actually if she was a mafia member because she prefers those.
Summer: Back and forth, but what has caught my eye was how she dealt with my insanity. The comments she made still bug me, and I just can't seem to let them go even though they could have just been her trying to understand the situation. I really don't know.

In summary, I guess I can't even read my own KSITE pals!

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote: This post actually made me feel better about you again. I had a momentary concern, but since I actually get most of your suspicions, I feel better.
I admit, I didn't get the suspicion for Russ. There was a moment there where I accused him of blaming Epi for his vote (I think it was Russ), but later on, everything he said just felt genuine. And when I see people not seeing what I think is obvious, it makes me concerned about them.

As for me pointing fingers at people who "actually try to do something with their votes", I'm kind of offended here. First, I try to do things with my vote. It's not my fault people don't follow me here. When I left for bed, no one had more than 2 votes at most, and I believe Russ had none or maybe 1. I had hoped things would go a different way. I would have preferred to lynch Vopm or A person for their lack of contribution which is done on purpose than to lynch Russ.
Also, I'd rather people think I'm suspicious for not voting someone I believe is a civ than actually lynch a civ. That's me. I guess if I were scum, I might act differently.

I have noticed that you come off more aggressive in this game than how I saw you on Ksite. Can you explain it?

First off, so sorry for offending you. I would never mean anything of the sort. I suppose it was worded really badly; I wasn't trying to say you don't do things with your vote, I guess I was just emotionally reacting a bit there and it showed in my wording because it's so easy for people to come back in after the fact and finger point at those who helped lynch an innocent especially when they had no part in it and I felt you were doing that, like the father scolding the son.

Regarding AP and Vomps, do you actually think they're both baddies or what are you thinking there?

MovingPictures07 wrote: As to coming off more aggressive, well, let's just say this is the true me. Lol. But it's a combination of factors: (1) I feel most at home here; (2) I know pretty much every single player in some way, shape, or form, and some of them really well, and on KSite it was near the opposite of that, with the exception of those I brought with me; (3) the KSite game started when I was on vacation in Phoenix for almost a week and the timing couldn't have been any worse on that front -- combined with how INSANELY much people were posting so early on in the game, it was very overwhelming, and I didn't feel I was in my comfort zone.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
So, I'm curious, and just because it's a KSite tradition, think you can come up with one of those list things that K4J posted?

FZ. wrote:I need to go but I just looked at the list, and wow, there are too many people that I don't even remember them saying anything. That's really bad.

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote: This post actually made me feel better about you again. I had a momentary concern, but since I actually get most of your suspicions, I feel better.
I admit, I didn't get the suspicion for Russ. There was a moment there where I accused him of blaming Epi for his vote (I think it was Russ), but later on, everything he said just felt genuine. And when I see people not seeing what I think is obvious, it makes me concerned about them.

As for me pointing fingers at people who "actually try to do something with their votes", I'm kind of offended here. First, I try to do things with my vote. It's not my fault people don't follow me here. When I left for bed, no one had more than 2 votes at most, and I believe Russ had none or maybe 1. I had hoped things would go a different way. I would have preferred to lynch Vopm or A person for their lack of contribution which is done on purpose than to lynch Russ.
Also, I'd rather people think I'm suspicious for not voting someone I believe is a civ than actually lynch a civ. That's me. I guess if I were scum, I might act differently.

I have noticed that you come off more aggressive in this game than how I saw you on Ksite. Can you explain it?

First off, so sorry for offending you. I would never mean anything of the sort. I suppose it was worded really badly; I wasn't trying to say you don't do things with your vote, I guess I was just emotionally reacting a bit there and it showed in my wording because it's so easy for people to come back in after the fact and finger point at those who helped lynch an innocent especially when they had no part in it and I felt you were doing that, like the father scolding the son.

Regarding AP and Vomps, do you actually think they're both baddies or what are you thinking there?

You didn't really offend me, don't worry, haha. It was a figure of speech.
As for AP and Vomp, I can't tell if they are bad or not, but the way they are playing is annoying the hell out of me, and not only aren't they helping the civs, they are making it harder. So if I had to decide between a person that I'm not really sure about voting for, or one of them, I'd get rid of them in a flash. The reason I can't read them is because basically they are giving nothing. Vomp even less than AP. I'd just lynch them every game until they started acting differently

MovingPictures07 wrote: As to coming off more aggressive, well, let's just say this is the true me. Lol. But it's a combination of factors: (1) I feel most at home here; (2) I know pretty much every single player in some way, shape, or form, and some of them really well, and on KSite it was near the opposite of that, with the exception of those I brought with me; (3) the KSite game started when I was on vacation in Phoenix for almost a week and the timing couldn't have been any worse on that front -- combined with how INSANELY much people were posting so early on in the game, it was very overwhelming, and I didn't feel I was in my comfort zone.

This is exactly how I'm feeling this game, so I can definitely relate.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
So, I'm curious, and just because it's a KSite tradition, think you can come up with one of those list things that K4J posted?

Ah, that will be really hard because I still haven't figured who is who with half the people, but I'll give it a try.
I can tell you that I think I trust Bullzeye, you, K4J, Devin. I guess I'll believe Epi in his trust for Elo, even if I'm not sure he is a civ. Hedge seems OK at the moment.

People I'm worried about: SVS, Epig, Bass (I think that's him), Lizzie, Zany dex, Lou a little...and I can't remember who else is playing.
I'll try going over the list later and sort through my thoughts

kneel4justice wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: Given his discussion for most of the day I'd kinda expected MP to go for SVS. He did say what he'd seen from Sorsha is what he thinks is normal civ behaviour for her as well, so if he'd put a vote on her that would actually have made me kinda suspicious.

I thought he would too but SVS had no votes, it would have been pointless.
Interesting thought because many people talked about SVS yet no one has done anything as far as voting, I wonder why. MP and SVS are definitely some people I wonder if I let slip by.

kneel4justice wrote: K4J: Townie.
FZ: I keep going back and forth. She's definitely playing a different game then what I am used to seeing from her. Obviously in the beginning I was put off by her change, and didn't like that she was changing her style because it could still be a scum cover up. Since then I've seen more of her characteristics, like her suspicions and her not being happy with the decisions other people are making. That being said I still feel she is flying under the radar, for example I don't see her trying to secure a lynch, she votes last minute, goes to sleep but comes back to complain with our decision when she did not do all that much to prevent it besides saying "he seemed pretty OK" (about Russ). So I am watching her.
Lou: I think she's probably more likely to be a townie, she's not putting in a 100%, but I think that's because it's a new environment. I think she'd be trying more actually if she was a mafia member because she prefers those.
Summer: Back and forth, but what has caught my eye was how she dealt with my insanity. The comments she made still bug me, and I just can't seem to let them go even though they could have just been her trying to understand the situation. I really don't know.

In summary, I guess I can't even read my own KSITE pals!

Devin the Omniscient wrote:So thinking I could catch up over the holiday was a joke. So I will just say the following:

@ SVS: I expect nothing less, Girl

RE Epignosis: MP, Pucker up Buttercup! (insert gif here)

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How am I not even in the top 5 posters? WTF!?

I know right? Mongoose was lynched and she is still second. I would hate to make it a competition, but you are solidly a top 10 poster.

Also, it is a valid point that baddies would be leery of voting the lynched civ every time, but with two baddie teams they don't know who is civ and who isn't either. So, I am willing to bet with the votes so spread out that some wanted to make sure one of the teamies didn't get lynched instead.

Bullz - fair point. We all should be taking more time for analysis. I will try to do some rereads before next lynch. It's a somewhat daunting task when taking on top posters instead of low ones however.

That is a valid point indeed, but it begs the question: Are any of the main attention-getters so far this game even bad? Or do we have a Meat Boy situation on our hands where the baddies have somehow avoided serious suspicion? What are you thinking?

I'm sure it is. You seem pretty hard set in your top posters theorem; have you properly caught up on the thread now? If so, I'd be curious to hear what you have to say regarding anything, whether it's your top poster re-reads or anyone else. It often helps to get the perspective of a replacement as they are reading the thread; I know reading the thread as I was catching up in The Island over on RM was way different than having been there myself, and I feel it gave me a different perspective.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Here we go!! Wow, this took a LONG time. Players' names in red are ones I feel I need to re-read all of their posts to re-assess.

A Person - Slightly leaning civvie - Has had some good insights, mostly in the beginning of the game. Despite that, his behavior has been a bit defiant and seemingly purposefully nontraditional, although nothing particularly uncharacteristic. I would like to hear a bit more from him, but he hasn't set off any alarm bells from me at all, and he did survive that D1 lynch, which could mean anything (but more possibilities suggest a civvie explanation). I don't know him and while I see no reason to suspect him, I honestly don't get what he brings to the table from that kind of play. Now you reminded me, he's the person that was lynched and the lynch didn't go through. I really can't read him because I think he's making it his job to be hard to read

Bass_the_Clever - Slightly leaning baddie - His randomized vote for Daisy on D1 combined with his bandwagon votes for Mongoose and Russ make me wonder about him, as he seems to be just trying to blend in. But I've only played one other game with him and his recent response to why he voted Mongoose seemed genuine. The blending in is what I'm getting from him. Saying we need to consider low posters is a given yet an easy way out, so it doesn't help in any way. Those sort of comments make me suspicious

Boomslang - Somewhat slightly leaning civvie - Posting at about a normal frequency and with typical commentary that I would expect from him. No reason to believe he's bad, but hardly any particular reason to believe he's civvie either. I have nothing. Don't remember anything from him.

Bullzeye - Firmly leaning civvie - Has been posting with frequency and insight that I would expect from him. Can be a really tricksy baddie, but I don't have any reason to believe he's doing that here. Seems reasonable and I believe he is genuinely civvie-minded. might be the person I feel is most civvie. He's posts come off as genuine, I like the way he's thinking most of the time, and even when I don't agree with his suspicions, I get where they are coming from

Captain Bunny Killer - ?????? - Can't tell at all. She has hardly posted, but I know she was with me all this past weekend and has been really busy spending time with family. Not much mafia experience to base an opinion off of, since she's only played one game and subbed out of another. She didn't post much in Homestar, but she did become more comfortable as the game winded down. Don't remember much from her, but I assume that if this is indeed her first game, if she is a baddie, her team would encourage her to post more.

Devin the Omniscient - Slightly leaning civvie - Seems to be playing a style that is really similar to his performance in Homestar Runner. I firmly believed him to be civvie earlier on in the game based on: this fact (that he is acting like his civvie self, not his baddie self), his responses to people bringing him up (seemed like genuine frustration), but I find myself questioning. I don't understand why he bandwagoned onto Mongoose and now seems to be gunning for Epig and S~V~S, but I know he is really busy and seems very distracted/frustrated to me.I think it is Devin that asked to be lynched. I questioned him on that, and his responses made me feel much better about him. It felt like a frustrated civ. I can see a baddie saying lynch me for trusting Epig and hoping to get people to think that a baddie wouldn't ask to be lynched. Because let's face it, we usually don't lynch people who ask to be lynched. Still, leaning toward civvie.

DisgruntledPorcupine - Slightly leaning baddie - Has been pretty absent, although I have certainly seen him do this before. I would say he is ?????, but the fact that he did bandwagon onto Mongoose does strike me as unlike civvie DP.I don't remember anything from him, but I think someone brought him up. Maybe Bullzeye when trying to look at the people who voted Mongoose. I think it made me think DP's reasoning for voting her were scummy, so I'll agree on that. But I hope I'm referring to the right person

Dom - ????? - Voted for him on Day 1 because I thought he subtly pushed the suspicion against Mongoose without appearing too obvious. His response seemed legit. He's actually completely fallen off my radar since for some reason, and now I'm left just really unsure about him. I forgot he's playing. I remember he was a lot more active when the game started, and now, I didn't even remember him. I usually tend to think that baddies find it a lot easier to be more active in the beginning when they don't have to explain their actions, so maybe there's something there

Elohcin - Slightly leaning civvie - Seems like her normal civvie self and Epig vouches for her, and I think Epig is civvie. I would like to hear more from her, but I do know she's busy and in two mafia games. I didn't like her vote, but there are others whose votes I didn't like. And I can't argue with Epig's instincts on this, and even if he's not a civvie, I can see him saying she's good to get on her good side and make it look like he's a civ

Epignosis - Firmly leaning civvie - Was very unsure at first since Epig is always aggressive regardless of alignment, but I have become convinced more over time that I am likely seeing a civvie Epig. Seems very focused on scumhunting, questioning of others' intentions, and civvie-minded. This might be our biggest dispute. I know I don't know him, but from seeing him host the other game and how creative it is, plus from what I've seen from him so far, it seems as though he's a gutsy, crazy, will do the unconventional things in the game, kind of player. Out of everyone here, he's the one I can see leading two lynches no matter the consequences, hoping we'd think he wouldn't do that if he were a baddie. Plus, he seems like a smart guy and it's not often smart guys lead civvie's lynches two consecutive days

FZ. - Somewhat slightly leaning baddie - Seems very reasonable and focused, and I often find myself agreeing with her, but for some reason I doubt her civvieness. I can't shake the feeling that she could be manipulating and I find myself thinking that the difference between this FZ and the civvie one I saw on KSite is attributable to a difference in alignment. What can I say? You're wrong. Moreover, I think I can tell you that in the game on Ksite, after I was lynched and was still reading the game and trying to figure out for myself who the scum were, I told K4J that you were too good to be true because your thought process seemed so much like mine. I still see it. Look at how many of the people on your list resemble what I wrote before. That's why most of the time I think you're a civvie. So it bothers me that you think I might be bad, but I can't do any more than what I'm doing

Hedgeowl - ????? - Very hard to tell since she replaced in recently, but so far I suppose she seems like a normal Hedgeowl trying to approach the game a bit differently, and what that says about her alignment.... your guess is as good as mine. I know K4J disagrees with me on this, but I think that Jenny wouldn't ask to be replaced had she been a baddie. She likes being a baddie more than a civ, and I think she would find it easier to cope with a group pushing her to stay in the game. Moreover, I see nothing suspicious from Hedge so far

kneel4justice - Firmly leaning civvie - Reads genuine to me, seems very active in scumhunting. Would be shocked if he flipped baddie at this point. leaning on agreeing with you, but never say never with K4J Still, most of the time, I think I'm pretty good at recognizing him when he's a regular civ, and this seems like one of those times

Lizzy - Slightly leaning baddie - Her behavior has been 'normal' Lizzy, whatever that means, since she is an excellent player who likes to constantly shift up her avant-garde gameplay. She did ping me with her vote for Mongoose. Actually, she is someone I need to revisit. Don't know what I can say about her more than I've said in the other game. Do you see any differences between the two? Someone said she was more vocal here, maybe that's true, though you can't really call her vocal either way

LouLou26 - Somewhat slightly leaning baddie - Is quieter and more subdued than the Lou I am used to, but I can't tell why that is. Similar to FZ, I can't shake the feeling that she could be manipulating and I find myself thinking that the difference between this Lou and the civvie one I saw on KSite is attributable to a difference in alignment. Maybe what I'm seeing from Lou is what you're seeing from me. That's why I hesitate in my suspicions of her, not to mention, she'll tell you I'm always suspicious of her. But she is quieter and not bringing much to the table right now. Also, she voted for someone other than Russ, which on it's own is good, yet I don't remember her saying why she's not going with him

Mister Rearranger - Firmly leaning civvie - This seems like civvie MR to me: questioning, insightful, actively hunting. He seems a bit different than how I perceived him in the other game. Maybe that's why he got lynched there. But he seems less wacky here. Maybe more careful, or laying low. Not sure though. Some posts do seem genuine

MovingPictures07 - 100% leaning civvie - Yep! Wouldn't give you a 100, but a 75

reywaS/BWT 2.0 - ????? - Has not been around, BWT just replaced in, but he hasn't said anything yet. no idea

Sorsha - ????? - S~V~S's thoughts combined with what I know of Sorsha indicate to me that she is still 'warming up' in this game and, despite her initial "I'm a civvie" comment and her recent frustrated posts, and her Mongoose vote, I really just can't tell on her one way or the other. I'm afraid that it may be too "easy" to vote for her, ironically in light of her recent vote for Vompatti. agree

Spacedaisy - ????? - My girlfriend hasn't posted much, but I know she's been really busy, and this is normal for her posting frequency anymore for quite some time now. I haven't seen anything from her that is abnormal, but I can't really tell yet one way or the other on her alignment. Did she even post? you're doing enough talking for both of you

Summer - Somewhat slightly leaning civvie - Seems reasonable, helpful, but I did seriously question her intentions earlier in the game and thought she seemed particularly noncommittal, despite her insistence that she is a committal player. I haven't played a game with her before as she is helping to host the current KSite game I'm in, but her responses have been logical and genuine. except for a minute in the start of the game, where I thought she was trying a little too hard, I see civvie Summer.

SVS - Somewhat slightly leaning baddie - I believe she was incredibly opportunistic with Mongoose and was manipulating the thread, and I was pinged by her sudden suspicion of me after I started voicing suspicions of her, but after her more recent responses and sitting on it, I am not so sure anymore, with my original gut feeling on her almost all but obliterated. I have been lately feeling she is genuine and I am not so sure this is aggressive baddie S~V~S. She actually has had some good insight as well. I still wonder if there was something to my initial reaction, but I don't know. I've said what I have on SVS. I understand your concern as well as hesitation

Turnip Head - Slightly leaning civvie - It's been a long time since I've gotten to play with TH, but he seems like what I remember of his civvie self here -- down to business, reasonable. He and I were on the same page re: Mongoose and I feel he has had great insight. He is one HELL of a baddie though. I really look forward to seeing what else he has to say. He's someone I forgot to add earlier of the people I trust. Seemed genuinely frustrated with people not doing their part in scum hunting and has give some good thoughts himself

Vompatti - ????? - Criminally insane, just can't tell on him this game. I've seen civvie contributions from him in other games, but I've also seen him play like this as a civvie and seen him be a bit more active as baddie too, so... No idea. I don't care

wrathofgod - Slightly leaning SK - She has literally not been around, the only person not to post even once. However, we saw no SK kill on Nights 1 and 2, so she may just be that role. Unfortunately, this would be her first mafia game, but I know she has been really busy. good point, no idea

Zany Dex - ????? - A complete enigma not too far off Devin and Vompatti. He hasn't posted much at all, but I know he is sometimes really quiet in games. He did vote for Mongoose. May be trying to avoid suspicion by flying under the radar, or maybe is just really busy. I don't even remember what it was that caught my eye. I'd say I'll check, but I would be lying, Lol

Wow, that was actually sort of cathartic, and made me realize where I need to look harder. I definitely have too many question marks or "somewhat slightly" leanings.

Now I have to go and actually do something with my holiday downtime that ISN'T mafia, so see you folks later! Next step is to revisit these thoughts, see what others have to say in my absence, and see what happens at night.

Russtifinko wrote:Wow! I'm surprised I got lynched for that. Should have not bothered taking 4 hours out of my day to come up with valuable input when I could have just enjoyed time here and kept playing the busy card....

Oh well. Fun playing with you all, and meeting the new players! Merry Christmas!

Boomslang wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Wow! I'm surprised I got lynched for that. Should have not bothered taking 4 hours out of my day to come up with valuable input when I could have just enjoyed time here and kept playing the busy card....

Oh well. Fun playing with you all, and meeting the new players! Merry Christmas!

Sorry that had to happen to you, Russ. RIP. Thanks to MP for the analysis, but I think Epig should probably go under a bit more scrutiny. One civ lynch is a mistake, two is the start of a trend. That being said, it's Christmas, so that search may have to wait.

Mongoose wrote:

Epignosis wrote:bloc
bläk/
noun
noun: bloc; plural noun: blocs

1.
a combination of countries, parties, or groups sharing a common purpose.
"a center-left voting bloc"

Bloc Party is my favorite band.

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm pissed. I just missed the lynch in the other game after staying up late and waiting for people to come in and talk or vote. Now I just want to go to sleep and I don't know who to vote for. None of the contributing people, who have votes on them, are ones I feel comfortable voting for, and I don't want my vote to go to waste.
Now, since I think SVS is a baddie in the other game, I'm trying to think maybe I'm wrong about her in this game I'm going to wait with voting for her and go with someone else for today.

I'm going with Elo, because her vote for Devin seems completely out of no where

Did you vote yet? Maybe us KSITE players can put our heads together. Do you think Epig is a townie?

Loulou26 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:But for those of you who prefer I "act like a civ" (whatever that means), I'll show that Dom is speaking from somewhere other than his mouth (or fingertips). Observe:

1. "Epig is probably bad."

Again, the use of the term "probably" is unwarranted.

2. "He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard."

Would anyone like to confirm this? I'm pretty sure I stuck by my Mongoose suspicion. By, you know, actually voting for her. After I had considered several angles for quite some time, asking for clarification, and listening to what others had to say.

3. "He dropped his K4J suspicion."

Dropped it? Show me where. I challenge you.

4. "Civvie epig doesn't do this."

Dom has hosted me once. I was Night killed first. I'm not sure what makes him an authority on my "civvie" game, a claim that is even more astonishing...since I don't have a "civvie" game.

5. "He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him."

If you throw pasta to the wall and it sticks, then you have probably...

Sorry, I already told you this. Good luck with your linguine, Felix.

Interesting, I hadn't paid him much attention till this post. Now I'm thinking I need to go and look at his posts. Cos what you're saying here does make him seem suspicious.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

Agreed here.

I'm torn because I understand the metagaming reasons to vote Vomps out (if you're not being a helpful civvie, why even play?), BUT, wrathofgod still has not even posted once and no one is even talking about her. Why not vote there either? And then add in the reasons you state above; it just removes all accountability.

Vomps is just as statistically likely to be baddie as anyone else playing, but I just get the feeling he hasn't really invested himself (yet) in this game, so he's making himself an easy target. Whether he's doing it to fuck with all of us because he's baddie or whether he's just doing it because he's a lost civvie who loves being zany, I do not know, and it's always so hard to tell with him. I feel he is being especially more elusive this game for some reason, but maybe it's because he's playing two games at once and there's a bunch of people he doesn't know. Now that I think about it, I do notice he tends to come out of his shell and play a bit more traditionally when he knows the players quite well and when it's a smaller group, but... even then, there's sometimes not at all a method to his madness.

Anyway, rambling done. What are you thinking, K4J; where's your vote going for sure, do you know?

I really want to vote S~V~S... honestly, she's still my #1. But I really hate spread out votes because they open votes up to baddie manipulation and we already have a spread vote here AND I like discussing out suspicions with others to see what they are thinking AND I am just now beginning to consider I may be wrong, so... you going to vote S~V~S or someone else?

I think I still will, but I'm trying to consider all of the options. There are a few others that have acted in ways that have proven very possibly worthy of votes, IMO (Russ comes to mind).

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Elochin: Your votes are kind of weird, and you don’t have much to say. Why, can you explain is this your normal way of operating? I think you just pop in and vote. I need more actual material if you are a townie. Do you usually hunt more apparently or just vote?

Elohcin isn't bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:MP, I am slightly confused. You say Ross is in character, but then go onto list things that are suspicious. Isn't that a contradiction? Are you trying to play me? You're even doubting SVS right when I doubt her! It feels like you're watching me and flowing accordingly, which I don't know why you'd find that beneficial since all I am is a new player here and you probably don't need to worry about deceiving me as much as others who know you but still...am I missing things and making this up?

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you. I realize that doesn't make much sense now that you respond to it that way... let me elaborate. It is not a contradiction. He has been in character in the manner in which he has been posting, although a bit quieter (though he is out of town). The tone and general mannerisms of his posts are very normal, and even some of the content is as well.

However, his actions themselves are what are suspicious. He typically puts a lot of thought into his decisions, and even though he may elicit trust and give trust, civvie Russ comes across as more cautious IMO. The way he bandwagoned right onto Epig's supicion of Mongoose and then the way he just plops a vote onto Epig today, as well as the way he shifted viewpoints about me so quickly, THOSE behaviors strike me as quite odd from him, and his normal behaviors nonwithstanding, certainly pingworthy.

The only reason I hesitate is that I'm afraid maybe he's just a really distracted civvie.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying about the second part of your post. I find it weird though you apparently accuse me of flowing with you when I was first doubting an SVS vote and thinking through it, asked you what you thought, and then you said you'd vote Russ, even though you previously explained you thought SVS was suspicious.

Thanks for explaining.
I honestly don't know how to explain what I am trying to say, sorry. It just came across to me like you were looking at my thoughts and following them. Like when I said SVS's post made me doubt her guilt, you said you were doubting her guilt as well. Things like that. Though, you may have said them before and I just missed it all. If that's the case, I am sorry. I haven't read everything this game. I tend to browse and pick up on what I find suspicious.

No problem! It's okay, no worries. Oh, okay, I think I get what you're saying now. Honestly I just am not 100% sure of anything right now and I suppose it would be difficult or near impossible to be even close, lol. I really did feel SVS was bad, and I still think she probably is, but I did say her most recent response to me was genuine, so maybe you missed that post. I understand that, there's a LOT to read!! It's been intense, actually.

I find your commentary has been incredibly insightful, even if you have tried to start suspicion on me more than once apparently now.

kneel4justice wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Wow! I'm surprised I got lynched for that. Should have not bothered taking 4 hours out of my day to come up with valuable input when I could have just enjoyed time here and kept playing the busy card....

Oh well. Fun playing with you all, and meeting the new players! Merry Christmas!

Sorry that had to happen to you, Russ. RIP. Thanks to MP for the analysis, but I think Epig should probably go under a bit more scrutiny. One civ lynch is a mistake, two is the start of a trend. That being said, it's Christmas, so that search may have to wait.

I'm concerned because some people are making it sound like Epi never lynches townies. I don't know how true that is, it makes me stop and think. However, would he really be lynching townies if he were mafia more than if he were civi? Why not scum hunt the heck out of the other baddie team?? If I were bad you can guarantee I would be on my search for the other baddies.

Dom wrote: I think your reasons for suspecting SVS are kind of bad. I think there are other reasons to suspect her, and it makes me you.

Epignosis wrote:But for those of you who prefer I "act like a civ" (whatever that means), I'll show that Dom is speaking from somewhere other than his mouth (or fingertips). Observe:

1. "Epig is probably bad."

Again, the use of the term "probably" is unwarranted.

2. "He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard."

Would anyone like to confirm this? I'm pretty sure I stuck by my Mongoose suspicion. By, you know, actually voting for her. After I had considered several angles for quite some time, asking for clarification, and listening to what others had to say.

3. "He dropped his K4J suspicion."

Dropped it? Show me where. I challenge you.

4. "Civvie epig doesn't do this."

Dom has hosted me once. I was Night killed first. I'm not sure what makes him an authority on my "civvie" game, a claim that is even more astonishing...since I don't have a "civvie" game.

5. "He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him."

If you throw pasta to the wall and it sticks, then you have probably...

Sorry, I already told you this. Good luck with your linguine, Felix.

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Captain Bunny Killer - ?????? - Can't tell at all. She has hardly posted, but I know she was with me all this past weekend and has been really busy spending time with family. Not much mafia experience to base an opinion off of, since she's only played one game and subbed out of another. She didn't post much in Homestar, but she did become more comfortable as the game winded down. Don't remember much from her, but I assume that if this is indeed her first game, if she is a baddie, her team would encourage her to post more.

I have been bad a lot (my first four or five online Mafia games I was bad). I've only had a new person on my team once that I remember for sure, perhaps twice, and we never once encouraged the newcomer to post. The only thing we would do is coach on what to say, not how frequently to speak. Once the newcomer apologized for not saying more, that she didn't know what to say. "Excellent!" says I. It is very often the case that newcomers get a pass. This young lady lasted until nearly the end of the game. Outlived all her teammates, I want to say. Though I was the only one who got Night killed instead of lynched.



Elohcin - Slightly leaning civvie - Seems like her normal civvie self and Epig vouches for her, and I think Epig is civvie. I would like to hear more from her, but I do know she's busy and in two mafia games. I didn't like her vote, but there are others whose votes I didn't like. And I can't argue with Epig's instincts on this, and even if he's not a civvie, I can see him saying she's good to get on her good side and make it look like he's a civ

I'm still waiting for the day when Eloh is bad and fools me.

In real life, it's the other way round- I have to get on her good side before I get to say how good she was.

Epignosis - Firmly leaning civvie - Was very unsure at first since Epig is always aggressive regardless of alignment, but I have become convinced more over time that I am likely seeing a civvie Epig. Seems very focused on scumhunting, questioning of others' intentions, and civvie-minded. This might be our biggest dispute. I know I don't know him, but from seeing him host the other game and how creative it is, plus from what I've seen from him so far, it seems as though he's a gutsy, crazy, will do the unconventional things in the game, kind of player. Out of everyone here, he's the one I can see leading two lynches no matter the consequences, hoping we'd think he wouldn't do that if he were a baddie. Plus, he seems like a smart guy and it's not often smart guys lead civvie's lynches two consecutive days

I think people are using the word "leading" with different senses of the term, which makes this subject difficult to discuss:

1. Does it mean voting for the person first?
2. Does it mean making a compelling case against a person?
3. Does it mean telling others to vote for a person?
4. Does it mean something else?

If the first one is the case, then I didn't lead the Mongoose lynch.
If the second one is the case, then I didn't take a compelling stance against Russ- my vote was reactionary.
If the third one is the case, then I don't believe I've lead a lynch in this game.
If the fourth, then I don't know how to respond.

Turnip Head wrote:Please elaborate if you find the time and the chance, Epi. Always interested to see the thought process on your suspicions. Do you have any evidence of why Lou might fit into your coached theory? Is it certain things she's said or implied in her posts?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote: I think your reasons for suspecting SVS are kind of bad. I think there are other reasons to suspect her, and it makes me you.

Lol, well, that's sort of why I've reconsidered -- I realized my read on S~V~S was due to just interpretations of intentions, rather than any actual hard evidence.

What's your reasoning then? I looked back at your posts since I wanted to revisit them and you only mention S~V~S being suspicious because she is too agreeable with Epig, and you seemed to have also antagonized Epig quite a lot, saying that you think he's bad. Despite that...

Your first three posts don't talk about suspects, then there's these...

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 385#p44385 You ask Mongoose who she's looking at.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 559#p44559 Here you say you're going to be looking at those perseverating on the cultural differences between here and KSite.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 589#p44589 Same as above.

Now here's where it gets interesting:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 709#p44709 Here you say first you weren't buying the Mongoose case, but you say she wasn't liking the way she was responding to Epig, at all. Then you said S~V~S brings up an excellent point and you say you'd vote for Mongoose if you had to vote right then.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 711#p44711 You ask Epig if he still thinks K4J is suspicious.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 737#p44737 This post seems opportunistic to me.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 096#p45096 Busy post, understandably.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 107#p45107 Now here you suddenly change your tune about Epig, saying he seems dismissive, but you don't suspect him directly -- then you ask me what I think of him. You do say you "feel a bit stronger" about Epig yet you NEVER mentioned him before that.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 108#p45108 You apologize for missing the vote.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 375#p45375 Confusion post.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 484#p45484 Here you say you'll probably vote Epig, even though you haven't even said what makes him bad at all.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 943#p45943 Here you finally elaborate on why Epig is bad: backpedaling on Mongoose suspicion (which makes no sense, he voted for her twice); dropped his K4J suspicion (he obviously was doing that just to elicit a reaction); you say civvie Epig doesn't do this. But he does. Then you add that SVS is also probably bad because she is too agreeable with Epig.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 968#p45968 Here he says similar thing -- SVS is mirroring suspicions from Epig, which somehow makes them both bad. He also says Epig doesn't seem like his "normal" civvie self, yet doesn't explain what that is, other than saying he points out contradictions... which is something I think he HAS been doing this game.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 983#p45983 More antagonizing of Epig, saying arrogance drips from his post. Epig questions how Dom knows what's normal for him, but his responses aren't satisfactory.

In fact:

Epignosis wrote:But for those of you who prefer I "act like a civ" (whatever that means), I'll show that Dom is speaking from somewhere other than his mouth (or fingertips). Observe:

1. "Epig is probably bad."

Again, the use of the term "probably" is unwarranted.

2. "He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard."

Would anyone like to confirm this? I'm pretty sure I stuck by my Mongoose suspicion. By, you know, actually voting for her. After I had considered several angles for quite some time, asking for clarification, and listening to what others had to say.

3. "He dropped his K4J suspicion."

Dropped it? Show me where. I challenge you.

4. "Civvie epig doesn't do this."

Dom has hosted me once. I was Night killed first. I'm not sure what makes him an authority on my "civvie" game, a claim that is even more astonishing...since I don't have a "civvie" game.

5. "He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him."

If you throw pasta to the wall and it sticks, then you have probably...

Sorry, I already told you this. Good luck with your linguine, Felix.

Epig makes some really good points here. I didn't realize how well-illustrated it was until I went back and saw that Dom just appears to be suspicion mongering.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 988#p45988 More Epig v. Dom back and forth. Epig responds adequately, and then Dom says

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 012#p46012 "Point taken".

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 128#p46128 Here he asks S~V~S to explain how the suspicion against her is purely tone -- and yet ALL that Dom has said is that she seems too agreeable with Epig. Literally. Before this post, that's really it, only saying that over and over in slightly different ways.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 486#p46486 And THEN there's his most recent post. He says he thinks Epig is most certainly not a townie, says my reasons for suspecting SVS are bad, and that his reasons are better, and so that makes me baddie, apparently. One other antagonizing jab at Epig.


Now, with all of that being said, Dom, you've missed every single vote, and you haven't said anything about anyone else. Do you have any other thoughts?

I actually find Dom way more suspicious after re-reading him. He just antagonizes Epig with almost all of his posts and I don't see any real explanation of what makes him bad -- Epig always acts this same way and Dom seems to just blindly ignore this. Add to this fact that Dom blended in and agreed with Epig on his Mongoose case, I think Dom looks really bad, actually.

Why didn't I do this earlier?

Other red name re-reads to follow...