The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Can't say I'm shocked MP is suspecting me. Bring it on, chum!

Imma go ahead and vote espers/ika for tonight, though. I don't see anything convincing me otherwise, and someone's gotta get to the polls here.

Linki: Hmm. Well, MP, I guess to respond to the majority of your points, I haven't said most of the things I brought up because I haven't posted much at all about anything. As I said, that's changing today, so I'm saying what's on my mind.

As to being noncommittal, I feel like every time I've posted I've tried to be super clear about what I think of whom, since I haven't been posting much otherwise. Yeah, my mind has changed on some people, and yeah, since I haven't posted as much you haven't gotten to see the full progression of those changes. Saying I'm not committing too any reads is probably overplaying your hand tho.

Double Linki: Let me post! And stop it with the living rooms!

I understand, Russ. I just hope to see more thought process from you, because otherwise it's difficult to discern whether you are latching onto suspicions for convenience or whether you just haven't been fully articulating why you suspect whom you suspect. Does that make sense?

So do you still think he's Mafia and want to vote him? These "I understand" posts after heaving hunting on someone are also a bit of a leitmotif in your repertoire.

link: get what gender right? LoRab is f

ika is m

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Re: your suspicions, in that order? aka LoRab most likely?

Do you think ika's alignment is important enough that he should be lynched soon/today?

Re: Scotty, I understand. However, I think you missed the point of my question. Is it possible you suspect my behavior during EoD D1 because you don't agree with my thoughts on Scotty? If it were someone else you did agree with, do you think you would you view it differently?

No specific order.

I'm not voting ika today. Call me frivolous, but I want to have some sportsmanship. I wanna give the guy one day, and one vote, to judge him. Day 5 I'll judge him normally, though.

Order them, now. (Applying the pressure).

No, I'd rather seeing you focusing on the current lynch. For a change.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand why everyone is jumping on ika for the sportsmanship post.

Ricochet wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Can't say I'm shocked MP is suspecting me. Bring it on, chum!

Imma go ahead and vote espers/ika for tonight, though. I don't see anything convincing me otherwise, and someone's gotta get to the polls here.

Linki: Hmm. Well, MP, I guess to respond to the majority of your points, I haven't said most of the things I brought up because I haven't posted much at all about anything. As I said, that's changing today, so I'm saying what's on my mind.

As to being noncommittal, I feel like every time I've posted I've tried to be super clear about what I think of whom, since I haven't been posting much otherwise. Yeah, my mind has changed on some people, and yeah, since I haven't posted as much you haven't gotten to see the full progression of those changes. Saying I'm not committing too any reads is probably overplaying your hand tho.

Double Linki: Let me post! And stop it with the living rooms!

I understand, Russ. I just hope to see more thought process from you, because otherwise it's difficult to discern whether you are latching onto suspicions for convenience or whether you just haven't been fully articulating why you suspect whom you suspect. Does that make sense?

So do you still think he's Mafia and want to vote him? These "I understand" posts after heaving hunting on someone are also a bit of a leitmotif in your repertoire.

link: get what gender right? LoRab is f

ika is m

D'oh. I thought she colored my comment in brackets next to LoRab, but that was my own doing.

Well, at least something to cross of this game's list.

"Screw up gender.

Check."

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Re: your suspicions, in that order? aka LoRab most likely?

Do you think ika's alignment is important enough that he should be lynched soon/today?

Re: Scotty, I understand. However, I think you missed the point of my question. Is it possible you suspect my behavior during EoD D1 because you don't agree with my thoughts on Scotty? If it were someone else you did agree with, do you think you would you view it differently?

No specific order.

I'm not voting ika today. Call me frivolous, but I want to have some sportsmanship. I wanna give the guy one day, and one vote, to judge him. Day 5 I'll judge him normally, though.

Order them, now. (Applying the pressure).

No, I'd rather seeing you focusing on the current lynch. For a change.

Are you kidding me right now?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Re: your suspicions, in that order? aka LoRab most likely?

Do you think ika's alignment is important enough that he should be lynched soon/today?

Re: Scotty, I understand. However, I think you missed the point of my question. Is it possible you suspect my behavior during EoD D1 because you don't agree with my thoughts on Scotty? If it were someone else you did agree with, do you think you would you view it differently?

No specific order.

I'm not voting ika today. Call me frivolous, but I want to have some sportsmanship. I wanna give the guy one day, and one vote, to judge him. Day 5 I'll judge him normally, though.

Order them, now. (Applying the pressure).

No, I'd rather seeing you focusing on the current lynch. For a change.

Are you kidding me right now?

No, I'm not. I've watched two EOD's where MP keeps flip-flopping around literally everybody while asking random "what do you think about X" questions before finally settling down for a vote that did not change anything in the lynch.

Here's a gun to the head for you: Cookie, ika or LoRab. Go.

Scotty wrote:MP, then vote. DDL does make a point. Most people have voted already, and right now it's looking espers is getting lynched. What are you going to do

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:
What I read from your post that you mention was that I was particularly bringing up G-Man's behavior in old games, which is what I never did. Yes, I post about meta. Meta is a lot of how I think in games. And that another player came to a different conclusion than I did...well, that happens. We all see things differently.

And, again, it was the powerful part that pinged me in Golden's post--not the civ part. I have no problem with civ claims--I expect civs to say that they are civs. It was

And yes, I am getting frustrated. And there's too many posts to respond to remind everyone to eye me all you want and twirl for them. I'm a serious lynch candidate at this point, and that's really frustrating, when I know that the conclusion that people are coming to about me is not accurate.

And I didn't like the lynch day 2, either. I look forward to hearing why that power was used for the day 2 lynch in end game, because I didn't like having to choose between what at the time didn't seem like a good selection to me. But, being forced to vote one of those candidates, and having only mild pings to go on, I decided to leave it to the mafia gods. It's not the first time I've been part of making a tie.

LoRab wrote:I do care who is lynched.

LoRab wrote:I decided to leave it to the mafia gods

In general, I care who is lynched. When there are only 4 choices, none of whom I'm completely sure on, I'm comfortable with an aspect of chance between those choices.

No matter what, I had to make an active choice in that lynch and no matter how I voted it would have been a deciding vote. With no choices that had me convinced or even somewhat sure, I went with going for 1 of 2 choices.

And I'm not sure what that demonstrates, other than my unsurety about that vote.

But you didn't make a deciding vote. You made a tie vote and you waited (and wavered between the candidates) till the tie would have been decisive. Why not vote for MM the first time you saw a tie opportunity (4-4 each) I think and feel good about the same rationale that "the gods will decide" or someone else left to vote will take the lynch in a different direction?

Instead, you designed the tie at 5-5, forced Golden to have to save himself and counting the three votes left as improbable to ever happen. Would this sound like a fair tie making to you, if someone else would have done it?

I generally vote as late as I can--it gives me the opportunity to take everything into account.

And yes, I would have understood it if someone else had done it.

linkitis: @Dragon: Yes, I agree I've been tunnel visioning. It's a bad habit. And nothing else that he's posted has really stuck out to me one way or the other, so I haven't mentioned it.

And, over the course of 4 phases, I've also been defending myself. And many of the posts against me have had to do with the LD thing, so I've had to continue talking about it. And when needing to defend, the ability to consider and post about other suspicions is limited.

And you are wrong in your vote for me.

Take what into account, considering you're talking about a dissatisfying poll in which you're intent was to make a tie and not commit to a decisive vote?

And...okay.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:You have 20 minutes to decide your lynch. But you keep acting like you have 5 hours. It's decision time, man. Nobody has time to answer to your endless questions. It's time to move to the part where you weigh your suspects and make your decision.

Yes I do have some nerve. I'm doing that because I think you're mafia. If later you flip civ, I'll apologize for everything. But now I don't think you'll flip civ.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Scotty wrote:MP, then vote. DDL does make a point. Most people have voted already, and right now it's looking espers is getting lynched. What are you going to do

Why would I not wait until the last possible minute to cast my vote?

I'm still mulling over all of the options, but I'm almost certainly going to vote for Cookie. But I don't know.

Allow me to cast my vote on my own terms, please.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:You have 20 minutes to decide your lynch. But you keep acting like you have 5 hours. It's decision time, man. Nobody has time to answer to your endless questions. It's time to move to the part where you weigh your suspects and make your decision.

Yes I do have some nerve. I'm doing that because I think you're mafia. If later you flip civ, I'll apologize for everything. But now I don't think you'll flip civ.

I know how many minutes I have.

Then why didn't you vote for me?

LoRab wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:
What I read from your post that you mention was that I was particularly bringing up G-Man's behavior in old games, which is what I never did. Yes, I post about meta. Meta is a lot of how I think in games. And that another player came to a different conclusion than I did...well, that happens. We all see things differently.

And, again, it was the powerful part that pinged me in Golden's post--not the civ part. I have no problem with civ claims--I expect civs to say that they are civs. It was

And yes, I am getting frustrated. And there's too many posts to respond to remind everyone to eye me all you want and twirl for them. I'm a serious lynch candidate at this point, and that's really frustrating, when I know that the conclusion that people are coming to about me is not accurate.

And I didn't like the lynch day 2, either. I look forward to hearing why that power was used for the day 2 lynch in end game, because I didn't like having to choose between what at the time didn't seem like a good selection to me. But, being forced to vote one of those candidates, and having only mild pings to go on, I decided to leave it to the mafia gods. It's not the first time I've been part of making a tie.

LoRab wrote:I do care who is lynched.

LoRab wrote:I decided to leave it to the mafia gods

In general, I care who is lynched. When there are only 4 choices, none of whom I'm completely sure on, I'm comfortable with an aspect of chance between those choices.

No matter what, I had to make an active choice in that lynch and no matter how I voted it would have been a deciding vote. With no choices that had me convinced or even somewhat sure, I went with going for 1 of 2 choices.

And I'm not sure what that demonstrates, other than my unsurety about that vote.

But you didn't make a deciding vote. You made a tie vote and you waited (and wavered between the candidates) till the tie would have been decisive. Why not vote for MM the first time you saw a tie opportunity (4-4 each) I think and feel good about the same rationale that "the gods will decide" or someone else left to vote will take the lynch in a different direction?

Instead, you designed the tie at 5-5, forced Golden to have to save himself and counting the three votes left as improbable to ever happen. Would this sound like a fair tie making to you, if someone else would have done it?

I generally vote as late as I can--it gives me the opportunity to take everything into account.

And yes, I would have understood it if someone else had done it.

linkitis: @Dragon: Yes, I agree I've been tunnel visioning. It's a bad habit. And nothing else that he's posted has really stuck out to me one way or the other, so I haven't mentioned it.

And, over the course of 4 phases, I've also been defending myself. And many of the posts against me have had to do with the LD thing, so I've had to continue talking about it. And when needing to defend, the ability to consider and post about other suspicions is limited.

And you are wrong in your vote for me.

Take what into account, considering you're talking about a dissatisfying poll in which you're intent was to make a tie and not commit to a decisive vote?

And...okay.

I was literally answering your question. You asked if it would sound like a fair tie if someone else were making the vote. I answered yes, I think it would be fair.

And I don't actually understand your question about taking what into account.

also, your intent, not you're. /grammarnerd

Ricochet wrote:Well, so much for the controlled manner of playing from MP.

MovingPictures07 wrote:What the hell was wrong with my vote last night? You're placing that lynch result on ME? That's bullshit.

I can't believe I'm being grilled for actually participating in an EoD and contemplating my vote as much as I possibly can before I cast it.

Excuse me, but I actually care if I'm lynching or mislynching.

Ricochet wrote:10 minutes to go, now's the time to ask me to go back and read posts, if anyone wants to.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Look, I'm all for you analyzing me. I'm all for analysis of everyone. I'm fine with getting suspected. I'm fine with you knocking me out of my comfort zone. I know I'm not above suspicion or any of that, just like all of you folks.

What I'm NOT fine with is sinking hours upon hours of time into this game, hearing implications that my way of playing is wrong, and then getting told how to play.

I apologize if that's not what you folks were implying, but I felt like statements were going from what were suspicions of me to criticizing my way of playing this game, which I already got enough of earlier from G-Man.

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What the hell was wrong with my vote last night? You're placing that lynch result on ME? That's bullshit.

I can't believe I'm being grilled for actually participating in an EoD and contemplating my vote as much as I possibly can before I cast it.

Excuse me, but I actually care if I'm lynching or mislynching.

At the risk of making you huffy again, calm down for a sec.

Your vote WASN'T the be-all-end-all of last night. It WAS, however, objectively the last vote cast. I'm not accusing you for that. Contemplating your vote is one thing, but attempting to be on top of the vote to, I'm assuming, sway the vote in the favor you think is a shady move. DDL is right. Asking questions the last 30 minutes isn't going to solve our problems, and your doing so on Day 1 lynched me, on Day 3 didn't lynch your 2nd pick. It didn't help anyone.

You are free to vote however and whenever you want, correct. But why save it to the end?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Look, I'm all for you analyzing me. I'm all for analysis of everyone. I'm fine with getting suspected. I'm fine with you knocking me out of my comfort zone. I know I'm not above suspicion or any of that, just like all of you folks.

What I'm NOT fine with is sinking hours upon hours of time into this game, hearing implications that my way of playing is wrong, and then getting told how to play.

I apologize if that's not what you folks were implying, but I felt like statements were going from what were suspicions of me to criticizing my way of playing this game, which I already got enough of earlier from G-Man.

It's not your playstyle. I love your civ playstyle.

It's how you are applying it in this game.

It's not working.

Which makes me think you are a baddie who is intentionally using your civ playstyle in an ineffective way.

Every time you ask a player A, with 30 minutes left in the poll, what they think of player B, despite the fact neither player A or player B are getting any votes in the poll, I can't help but think you are doing that just to make it look like you're doing something when you aren't.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What the hell was wrong with my vote last night? You're placing that lynch result on ME? That's bullshit.

I can't believe I'm being grilled for actually participating in an EoD and contemplating my vote as much as I possibly can before I cast it.

Excuse me, but I actually care if I'm lynching or mislynching.

At the risk of making you huffy again, calm down for a sec.

Your vote WASN'T the be-all-end-all of last night. It WAS, however, objectively the last vote cast. I'm not accusing you for that. Contemplating your vote is one thing, but attempting to be on top of the vote to, I'm assuming, sway the vote in the favor you think is a shady move. DDL is right. Asking questions the last 30 minutes isn't going to solve our problems, and your doing so on Day 1 lynched me, on Day 3 didn't lynch your 2nd pick. It didn't help anyone.

You are free to vote however and whenever you want, correct. But why save it to the end?

I'm not huffy. I apologize for getting so, even if only for a few minutes.

You're entitled to think that. I, personally, think EoD can be a wonderful way to get mafia to reveal themselves through questioning and pressure, and the closer it gets to the end of the vote, the more opportunity for that you have. I've seen that in action in recent games I've played, mostly on RYM. I like it. I understand you may find it suspicious or illogical.

Asking questions is OK at any time.

I didn't lynch you on Day 1, what do you mean?

On reflection, I realize my Day 3 vote was not cast optimally. I can recognize that fact. I already lamented it before DH flipped mafia. But I want to vote the player I most suspect, if at all possible.

Why not save it until the end? Who knows what will happen in EoD? It puts pressure on mafia as much as it does on civilians.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Do you really think I need to convince anyone that I'm doing something this game?

G-Man wrote:Silk Spectre's apartment maybe? That was a Night 0 option.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Do you really think I need to convince anyone that I'm doing something this game?

No.

But you need to convince us you are doing it with the intent to catch baddies.