The Syndicate

Dom wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Shoot...

DrWilgy wrote:Ok so this is how it went down according to my knowledge:
S~V~S (6), Dom (7), Sorsha (8), voted DF 3-0

a2thezebra (9) voted LC 3-1

nijuukyugou (10) voted DF 4-1

I voted LC 4-2

DF(11) placed his vote 4-3

Bubbles voted LC, 4-4 then quickly shifted to DF and stopped at spot (12) 5-3

Eloh voted LC 5-4

I voted DF 6-3

So... Key events -
DF was saveable upon his own saftey vote with help of extra votes until Bubbles voted for him.

DF was made saveable when Eloh voted for LC until I moved.

Someone double check this.

Bubbles also looks yikes tbh. Maybe she voted to save DFaraday and her team immediately told her not to.

This would imply Bubbles bussed 2 teammates and bussed one of those 2 (when they could've been saved) only 1 cycle away from Lylo.

If there was a bus vote... I think It woulda been Niju or Sriracha to throw it, but I have my doubts.

Late gamu rainbow:
Me
SVS
Bubbles
Dom

Sriracha
Niju
Gman

LC

Zebra

Eloh

Knew Faraday bad
From poor interpretation
Of technicolors


DAY 1
DAY 2
DAY 3
DAY 4
DAY 5

I will post my thoughts
On the technicolors as
I have time today

G-Man wrote:HOSTS: Can Chichi and
Ani redirect powers
Back at the user?

Or would such a thing
Still be considered instance
Of self-targeting?

Hey, wait a sec. Ani doesn't redirect powers, only Chichi does (and only on even nights, mind you!)

Ani vote-forces. And I thought Chichi did too, actually. Notably when I said this:

Long Con wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:A confirmed civ, whose identity we do not know, took her off of today's poll for a reason. Think about that.

And I, through my own inscrutable detective work, have determined that a confirmed civ, namely Chichiyaku, forced you to vote for me today. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's true then a confirmed civ tried to force you to work toward taking down me, and I am a civ.

I interpreted a2thezebra's overly-belaboured point about explaining her vote for me in great detail as a "hint" that she was forced to vote for me. Is that what the rest of you thought? 'Cause there wasn't any vote-forcing going on as far as I can see.

No that is not what I thought.

S~V~S wrote:No that is not what I thought.

Sigh. Ok, what did you think?

Long Con wrote:

G-Man wrote:HOSTS: Can Chichi and
Ani redirect powers
Back at the user?

Or would such a thing
Still be considered instance
Of self-targeting?

Hey, wait a sec. Ani doesn't redirect powers, only Chichi does (and only on even nights, mind you!)

Ani vote-forces. And I thought Chichi did too, actually. Notably when I said this:

Long Con wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:A confirmed civ, whose identity we do not know, took her off of today's poll for a reason. Think about that.

And I, through my own inscrutable detective work, have determined that a confirmed civ, namely Chichiyaku, forced you to vote for me today. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's true then a confirmed civ tried to force you to work toward taking down me, and I am a civ.

I interpreted a2thezebra's overly-belaboured point about explaining her vote for me in great detail as a "hint" that she was forced to vote for me. Is that what the rest of you thought? 'Cause there wasn't any vote-forcing going on as far as I can see.

Sorry, you are right
I used to pay attention
Better to game roles

HOSTS: Can a Chichi
Redirect bounce a power
Back on its user?

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:No that is not what I thought.

Sigh. Ok, what did you think?

I am not sure. That is why I did not elaborate. But I thought she was discussing Niju, and it was unrelated to you.

You thought Zebra saying many times over, in italics, that she explained her vote for me in great detail, when she did nothing of the sort... was about nijuu?

Long Con wrote:Ani vote-forces. And I thought Chichi did too, actually. Notably when I said this:

Long Con wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:A confirmed civ, whose identity we do not know, took her off of today's poll for a reason. Think about that.

And I, through my own inscrutable detective work, have determined that a confirmed civ, namely Chichiyaku, forced you to vote for me today. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's true then a confirmed civ tried to force you to work toward taking down me, and I am a civ.

I interpreted a2thezebra's overly-belaboured point about explaining her vote for me in great detail as a "hint" that she was forced to vote for me. Is that what the rest of you thought? 'Cause there wasn't any vote-forcing going on as far as I can see.

That's not possible
Given that Ani targets
For vote force Odd Nights

Long Con wrote:You thought Zebra saying many times over, in italics, that she explained her vote for me in great detail, when she did nothing of the sort... was about nijuu?

The confirmed civ thing you are talking about was about Niju, and who took her off the poll. I don't see how it related to her vote for you, no.

G-Man wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ani vote-forces. And I thought Chichi did too, actually. Notably when I said this:

Long Con wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:A confirmed civ, whose identity we do not know, took her off of today's poll for a reason. Think about that.

And I, through my own inscrutable detective work, have determined that a confirmed civ, namely Chichiyaku, forced you to vote for me today. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's true then a confirmed civ tried to force you to work toward taking down me, and I am a civ.

I interpreted a2thezebra's overly-belaboured point about explaining her vote for me in great detail as a "hint" that she was forced to vote for me. Is that what the rest of you thought? 'Cause there wasn't any vote-forcing going on as far as I can see.

That's not possible
Given that Ani targets
For vote force Odd Nights

Yes, that is my point, Mr G.

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:You thought Zebra saying many times over, in italics, that she explained her vote for me in great detail, when she did nothing of the sort... was about nijuu?

The confirmed civ thing you are talking about was about Niju, and who took her off the poll. I don't see how it related to her vote for you, no.

Is that what I'm talking about? I could swear that I'm talking about a2thezebra and her actions, implications, and vote.

Serious... Chichi should give a token to Elo! Gotta clean up that scummy vote tote.

I think Zebra is
Foolish to think Niju pulled
Off poll on purpose

In any case the vote forcer could not have forced her on Night 4 as G Man says, so

Linki, that is possible.

G-Man wrote:I think Zebra is
Foolish to think Niju pulled
Off poll on purpose

Oh! Like a power redirect?

Yes, the power redirect role worked the last night, not the vote forcer, so that is possible.

I myself found both Faradays vote, and possibly Elohs, to be distancing more than anything coming when they did.

Long Con wrote:

G-Man wrote:I think Zebra is
Foolish to think Niju pulled
Off poll on purpose

Oh! Like a power redirect?

It's possible if
Cheech still alive; Otherwise
Bold move by Radish

Zebra can't assert
That intentionality
Is the sole reason

Knowing the nature
And limitations of a
Redirect could help

I think that maybe Zebra made a mistake, and WAS trying to say that her vote was forced... when there was no vote-forcing in play that day.

No Niju on poll
Did make for informative
Results however

Long Con wrote:I think that maybe Zebra made a mistake, and WAS trying to say that her vote was forced... when there was no vote-forcing in play that day.

I'll have to re-read
But judging by tone it's a
Possibility

DFaraday wrote:I'm voting Dom for now, since he seems to be posting a lot without contributing many thoughts.

Dom's town

DFaraday wrote:I actually like the case Wilgy made on Eloh, in particular the subtle Llama defense and the possibility that she's the vote adder.

Good look for Elo? Or distancing? Idk...

DFaraday wrote:I don't have time to stick around for the end, so I have to vote now, and I'll go ahead and vote Eloh.

Not voting Bernie here or any other time. Though in fairness, I think all of the candidates are awful.

Better look for the Loh

DFaraday wrote:I'm voting Quin because I think his approach towards LC has felt shady, and he made little effort to deefend himself, which kind of read like defeated baddie to me. Also, I don't think Wilgy is bad.

Hmm... LC defense or easy bandwagoning?

DFaraday wrote:I was totally wrong about Quin, but I still don't see his case on LC. Sorsha's vote seemed rather throwaway to me though.

Is he going for distance?

DFaraday wrote:

Long Con wrote:Faraday never came in to comment. Maybe he's just planning on voting for Dom.

I don't even suspect Dom anymore. Right now I'm looking at Eloh and Sorsha, but there are a few other players I don't really recall anything about (Soneji, Sprit), so I'll be reviewing their posts, assuming I don't have to devote all my energy to defending myself.

Hmm... What are the chances DF used the name of both remaining teammates in this post? I think likely... Which is interesting.

DFaraday wrote:Sorsha is pretty high on my list; I haven't been a fan of most of her votes, and I feel she hasn't had much of a presence for most of the game. I'll make a proper case later. Also, Eloh's approach still isn't sitting right with me. Right now I'd put Sorsha higher though.

I don't think DF is distancing from Sriracha anymore.

I'm not quoting the Sriracha case DF made... Sriracha is town. Odd how it interacts with Gman though. Did DF just want to be right for cred? Did he want to defend Gman... Idk, but if you compare it to DF's interactions with me which are "I think Wilgy is civ" I think it would've been for cred.

DFaraday wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Wow. Awesome result. I am also glad I was not around at the end. I may have voted to save llama b/c I am easily tricked by him.

Okay, so Elohcin didn't voice suspicion of him, then after the lynch says she would have voted to save him. That caught my attention the first time around, but it's harder to parse than if she'd said, "I would have voted Llama." That would have set off huge red flags.

Elohcin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:It's night. And lots of things kill the game a little.

Eloh appears to feel that the level of non-srs combined with the tone being taken by some folks makes her not want to respond. I don't think you have to be a mind reader to get what she's putting out. Telling people you feel like you are wasting your time when you spent half the game time so far basically role playing, essentially wasting HER time (from the Eloh perspective). I don;t know Eloh all that immensely well, and she & I have always had a somewhat problematic relationship as other than being American women, we have little in common.

But *I* can see what is putting her off.

Read her posts and respond to talk *to* her, not *at* her.

SVS, you are understanding my thoughts very well this game.

And I also agree with this statement.

S~V~S wrote:You aren't much acting like you,Wilgy. Not sure what that means, maybe nothing; you're one of those people who likes to mix it up. I think of you as kind of sweet; you are a little harder this game.

I feel like I wish we could just start this game over and do it differently with more focus and seriousness. We can't do that obviously, but I can start over with a fresh perspective. Unfortunately, I just found out that I misunderstood my role a bit. So, between that and the lack of actual playing mafia on Day 1, I am going to try to put Day 1 in the back of my mind and kind of start new myself.

She's frustrated with the tone of the game, which led to her obstinate behavior which I previously found suspect. This could be genuine, or she could be a distracting tactic to get out of defending against the points made on her. Or, it could be a mix of both. At this point, I'm thinking more genuine though.

Elohcin wrote:I feel like I'm in the dark stumbling around trying to find the baddies.

SVS, I'm glad to have you back. Who would you have voted for Day 3 if you were allowed?

Wilgy, I agree that your tone is a bit mean and I do think you aren't playing like yourself. I'm mostly just confused as to why you are going so hard against me.

DF seems to be getting more involved and I feel like he is being helpful.

LC is becoming less trustworthy imo. His mannerisms seem sneakier and sneakier.

I am somewhat trusting of Dom atm.

I am on the fence with G-Man. His comment about his vote was suspicious to me. And I am not sure I buy SVS's explanation of it.

I think that's all for now....

Lately she's voiced civvie feelings towards me and baddie feelings towards Ninja, so I think we're on the same page. In short, Eloh has dropped down my suspicion list.

This was awfully abbreviated analysis, but I have to go do church stuff. I'll go over Ninja's posts when I get back and decide where I'm voting.

Ok... Elo turning point and I don't feel good about it. Goes back on his suspicion, and this was probably a bus undo. Supporting the undone bus theory are the last 2 sentences. I felt like this was on par with everything else DF was posting, so why point out it was abbreviated, unless he felt like he needed to put in more effort into this one? I'm thinkin he wasn't content undoing his bus in this manner and that made him think his own post was shorter or weaker than he wished.

DFaraday wrote:Yeah, I would prefer a Ninja vote to Soneji, but I wouldn't particularly mind Soneji going. After looking over her I feel more confident that Ninja is bad, but I don't want to tie the vote.

Meh, I'll just go for it. *Votes Ninja*

I don't think Bloops is bad at this point. Interesting that he was still fishin for cred come the Ji-san vote... Perhaps this makes me feel better about Gman.

DFaraday wrote:Seriously though, Ninja is bad. Dom is okay in my book, even though he keeps suspecting me.

Bloops is town

So... SVS, Bubbles, Dom, Bloops, Sriracha and I are town...

This leaves LC, Gman, Zeebs and Eloh.

Who TH is Sriracha

Process of elimination, Sorsha.

DrWilgy wrote:.......

So... SVS, Bubbles, Dom, Bloops, Sriracha and I are town...

This leaves LC, Gman, Zeebs and Eloh.

Let's run with that then
And see if technicolors
Add weight to those names

G-Man wrote:DAY 1

Spoiler: show

1. MATT (sig)<---CIVVIE
2. MATT (sprityo)
3. QUIN (Long Con)
4. THELLAMA73 (S~V~S)
5. THELLAMA73 (Sloonei)<---CIVVIE
6. DOM (DFaraday)<---BADDIE
7. SIG (Matt) <---CIVVIE
8. MATT (Nijuukyugou)
9. THELLAMA73 (Bubbles)
10. DRWILGY (Elohcin)
11. BUBBLES (Scotty)<---CIVVIE
12. MATT (Quin)<---CIVVIE
13. THELLAMA73 (DrWilgy)
14. MATT (thellama73)<---BADDIE
15. DFARADY (Sorsha)
16. THELLAMA73 (G-Man)
17. THELLAMA73 (Dr. Wilgette)<---CIVVIE

MISSING VOTES: Dom, Soneji


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4. THELLAMA73 (S~V~S)
5. THELLAMA73 (Sloonei)<---CIVVIE
9. THELLAMA73 (Bubbles)
13. THELLAMA73 (DrWilgy)
16. THELLAMA73 (G-Man)
17. THELLAMA73 (Dr. Wilgette)<---CIVVIE

1. MATT (sig)<---CIVVIE
2. MATT (sprityo)
8. MATT (Nijuukyugou)
12. MATT (Quin)<---CIVVIE
14. MATT (thellama73)<---BADDIE

3. QUIN (Long Con)

6. DOM (DFaraday)<---BADDIE

7. SIG (Matt) <---CIVVIE

10. DRWILGY (Elohcin)

11. BUBBLES (Scotty)<---CIVVIE

15. DFARADY (Sorsha)


MISSING VOTES:
Dom
Soneji<---CIVVIE

DAY 2

Spoiler: show

1. MATT (sig)<---CIVVIE
2. DRWILGETTE (Bubbles)
3. MATT (Elohcin)
4. MATT (Scotty)<---CIVVIE
5. MATT (Quin)<---CIVVIE
6. SIG (Matt)<---CIVVIE
7. MATT (Dom)
8. ELOHCIN (DrWilgy)
9. DRWILGY (S~V~S)
10. MATT (Sorsha)
11. ELOHCIN (DFaraday)<---BADDIE
12. MATT (Nijuukyugou)
13. ELOHCIN (DrWilgette)<---CIVVIE
14. MATT (Soneji)<---CIVVIE
15. MATT (G-Man)

MISSING VOTES: sprityo
SILENCED: Long Con

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1. MATT (sig)<---CIVVIE
3. MATT (Elohcin)
4. MATT (Scotty)<---CIVVIE
5. MATT (Quin)<---CIVVIE
7. MATT (Dom)
10. MATT (Sorsha)
12. MATT (Nijuukyugou)
14. MATT (Soneji)<---CIVVIE
15. MATT (G-Man)

8. ELOHCIN (DrWilgy)
11. ELOHCIN (DFaraday)<---BADDIE
13. ELOHCIN (DrWilgette)<---CIVVIE

2. DRWILGETTE (Bubbles)

6. SIG (Matt)<---CIVVIE

9. DRWILGY (S~V~S)

MISSING VOTES: sprityo
SILENCED: Long Con

DAY 3

Spoiler: show

1. LONG CON (Quin)<---CIVVIE
2. QUIN (Long Con)
3. ELOHCIN (sprityo)
4. QUIN (soneji)<---CIVVIE
5. SONEJI (sig)<---CIVVIE
6. DRWILGY (Elohcin)
7. QUIN (Nijuukyugou)
8. DRWILGY (Dom)
9. QUIN (DFaraday)<---BADDIE
10. ELOHCIN (DrWilgy)
11. G-MAN (Sorsha)
12. QUIN (G-Man)

MISSING VOTES: Bubbles, DrWilgette
SILENCED: S~V~S

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2. QUIN (Long Con)
4. QUIN (soneji)<---CIVVIE
7. QUIN (Nijuukyugou)
9. QUIN (DFaraday)<---BADDIE
12. QUIN (G-Man)

3. ELOHCIN (sprityo)
10. ELOHCIN (DrWilgy)

6. DRWILGY (Elohcin)
8. DRWILGY (Dom)

1. LONG CON (Quin)<---CIVVIE

5. SONEJI (sig)<---CIVVIE

11. G-MAN (Sorsha)

MISSING VOTES:
Bubbles
DrWilgette<---CIVVIE

SILENCED:
S~V~S

DAY 4

Spoiler: show

1. DRWILGY (Bubbles)
2. NIJUUKYUGOU (Long Con)
3. SONEJI (S~V~S)
4. SONEJI (DrWilgy)
5. NIJUUKYUGOU (G-Man)
6. DFARADAY (Dom)
7. SONEJI (sig)<---CIVVIE
8. NIJUUKYUGOU (Elohcin)
9. SONEJI (Nijuukyugou)
10. NIJUUKYUGOU (Soneji)<---CIVVIE
11. SONEJI (Sorsha)
12. DOM (DFaraday)<---BADDIE

MISSING VOTES: sprityo

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3. SONEJI (S~V~S)
4. SONEJI (DrWilgy)
7. SONEJI (sig)<---CIVVIE
9. SONEJI (Nijuukyugou)
11. SONEJI (Sorsha)

2. NIJUUKYUGOU (Long Con)
5. NIJUUKYUGOU (G-Man)
8. NIJUUKYUGOU (Elohcin)
10. NIJUUKYUGOU (Soneji)<---CIVVIE

1. DRWILGY (Bubbles)

6. DFARADAY (Dom)

12. DOM (DFaraday)<---BADDIE

MISSING VOTES:
sprityo

DAY 5

Spoiler: show

1. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
2. DFARADAY (Dom)
3. DFARADAY (Sorsha)
4. LONG CON (a2thezebra/sprityo)
5. DFARADAY (Nijuukyugou)
6. LONG CON (DFaraday)<---BADDIE
7. DFARADAY (Bubbles)
8. LONG CON (Elohcin)
9. DFARADAY (DrWilgy)

MISSING VOTES: Long Con
SILENCED: G-Man

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1. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
2. DFARADAY (Dom)
3. DFARADAY (Sorsha)
5. DFARADAY (Nijuukyugou)
7. DFARADAY (Bubbles)
9. DFARADAY (DrWilgy)

4. LONG CON (a2thezebra/sprityo)
6. LONG CON (DFaraday)<---BADDIE
8. LONG CON (Elohcin)

MISSING VOTES: Long Con

SILENCED: G-Man

Or we can establish a 4 way tie letting Rin decide. What better way to choose a baddie other than allowing a confirmed civ be the chooser?

First we'll examine
The voting at play Day 1
To see what might fit

Zebra and Long Con
Placed very early votes
On civvie targets

Eloh voted in
The middle of the pack for
Unconfirmed Wilgy

G-Man voted for
Llama then switched to Wilgy
Then back to Llama

Oh by the way, that "POE, Sorsha" post was answering Dom about who Sriracha was, not a statement on Sorshas guilt or not.

I lean towards LC, and either Zeebs or Eloh. But that is a pure gut thing.

DrWilgy wrote:Or we can establish a 4 way tie letting Rin decide. What better way to choose a baddie other than allowing a confirmed civ be the chooser?

Hell no my good sir
The vote manipulating
Heads are still in play

G-Man wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Or we can establish a 4 way tie letting Rin decide. What better way to choose a baddie other than allowing a confirmed civ be the chooser?

Hell no my good sir
The vote manipulating
Heads are still in play

But... Spidergramps?

Day 2 is quite tough
Eloh votes early for Matt
Long Con is silenced

G-Man votes at the
Tail end of the Matt train while
Sprityo does not vote

Long Con cannot be
Yubaba because Chichi
Gifts token Night 1

No self-targeting
And no redirect in play-
Could only be Heads

DrWilgy wrote:

G-Man wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Or we can establish a 4 way tie letting Rin decide. What better way to choose a baddie other than allowing a confirmed civ be the chooser?

Hell no my good sir
The vote manipulating
Heads are still in play

But... Spidergramps?

It's not worth the risk
If SpiderGramps is dead then
We just gave up lynch

Day 3 Long Con votes
on Quin; Sprityo third total
First on Elohcin

Eloh votes Wilgy
Sixth overall and G-Man
Last again for Quin

Interestingly
Fewer votes for Quin this day
Than non-Quin options

Long Con votes Niju
Early Day 3 and G-Man
Same not long after

Eloh vote Niju
Mid-pack which ties her for lead
Sprityo misses vote

No one of these four
Voted for Soneji but
Is that telling?

Day 5 G-Man is
Silenced and Long Con misses
the vote; meanwhile...

...Zebra is first vote
On Long Con and Eloh votes
Near the end of pack

Possible G-Man
Is Yubaba if powers
Redirected can...

...hit the player who
Wields the power; otherwise
Can only be Heads

Not sure what this says
About Zebra and Eloh; if
They are teammates then...

...They're Day 5 votes have
Just exposed them both which seems
Too easy to me

*"Their Day 5 votes have"
Not "they're Day 5 votes have"
My grammar failed me

Haiku pedantic grammar self-correction.

G-Man ftw.

holy haiku

G-Man wrote:HOSTS: Can Chichi and
Ani redirect powers
Back at the user?

Or would such a thing
Still be considered instance
Of self-targeting?

Maybe, maybe not.

But I can assure you that if Chichi redirects a player's power, the new target will not be the same as the old target.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

G-Man wrote:HOSTS: Can Chichi and
Ani redirect powers
Back at the user?

Or would such a thing
Still be considered instance
Of self-targeting?

Maybe, maybe not.

But I can assure you that if Chichi redirects a player's power, the new target will not be the same as the old target.

Bummer- this does not
Help me eliminate roles
Based on silencing

DrWilgy wrote:So... Can I pleaaaaase state that I have solid evidence against Elo now?

Nope, because you don't. Your evidence is not completely solid if you think I'm bad. Your evidence is mostly solid as I have played like shit. BUT, its not completely solid b/c no one can be 100% sure that I'm bad because I'm not.

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:So... Can I pleaaaaase state that I have solid evidence against Elo now?

Nope, because you don't. Your evidence is not completely solid if you think I'm bad. Your evidence is mostly solid as I have played like shit. BUT, its not completely solid b/c no one can be 100% sure that I'm bad because I'm not.

Who do you recommend we lynch tomorrow Elo?

G-Man, who do you think you will be voting for tomorrow?

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:So... Can I pleaaaaase state that I have solid evidence against Elo now?

Nope, because you don't. Your evidence is not completely solid if you think I'm bad. Your evidence is mostly solid as I have played like shit. BUT, its not completely solid b/c no one can be 100% sure that I'm bad because I'm not.

What a persuasive defense.

DrWilgy wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:So... Can I pleaaaaase state that I have solid evidence against Elo now?

Nope, because you don't. Your evidence is not completely solid if you think I'm bad. Your evidence is mostly solid as I have played like shit. BUT, its not completely solid b/c no one can be 100% sure that I'm bad because I'm not.

Who do you recommend we lynch tomorrow Elo?

To be honest, I am unsure. I still think Niju could be bad, but I was wrong about DF, so I hate to even give my opinion. I am in the beginning stages of hosting my first full game and even though it's not difficult, it's time consuming. Since that game started, it has taken a lot of the attention that I was putting on this game.