The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:50 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:45 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:42 am oh yeah she claimed baseball thrown at her

But then why wouldn’t sloonei target her again if she was actually targeted?

did someone else claim to be thrown a ball after that day?
Not that I know of

suspeeesh Isn’t it?

doesn’t matter rn though, we can’t even vote for her

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:50 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:33 am [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

This a serious case or are you just making things look interesting?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:51 am**

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:51 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:50 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:45 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:42 am oh yeah she claimed baseball thrown at her

But then why wouldn’t sloonei target her again if she was actually targeted?

did someone else claim to be thrown a ball after that day?
Not that I know of
suspeeesh Isn’t it?

doesn’t matter rn though, we can’t even vote for her

Not really

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:53 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:50 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:33 am [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
This a serious case or are you just making things look interesting?

Need an acceptable cw.

If ted is 3p, then LC and tutuu are the scum but I townread both. Ted should probs be yeeted

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:54 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:51 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:50 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:45 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:42 am oh yeah she claimed baseball thrown at her

But then why wouldn’t sloonei target her again if she was actually targeted?

did someone else claim to be thrown a ball after that day?
Not that I know of
suspeeesh Isn’t it?

doesn’t matter rn though, we can’t even vote for her
Not really

he didn’t use it on anybody else though, right?

why not? and especially, why not on her again? from his role description, kp is achieved if you target the same person.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:56 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:53 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:50 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:33 am [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
This a serious case or are you just making things look interesting?
Need an acceptable cw.

If ted is 3p, then LC and tutuu are the scum but I townread both. Ted should probs be yeeted

that’s actually not true. @Kylemii describe your thing again?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:57 am**

i have uni i’ll bbl

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:57 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:54 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:51 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:50 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:45 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:42 am oh yeah she claimed baseball thrown at her

But then why wouldn’t sloonei target her again if she was actually targeted?

did someone else claim to be thrown a ball after that day?
Not that I know of
suspeeesh Isn’t it?

doesn’t matter rn though, we can’t even vote for her
Not really
he didn’t use it on anybody else though, right?

why not? and especially, why not on her again? from his role description, kp is achieved if you target the same person.

I just don’t see why mafia would waste throwing it at themselves when it takes a few days to charge up

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:04 am**

@tedxtr What happened to the strongman you had?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:07 am**

I'm thinking Ted probably does end up flipping 3p tbh. Don't know what that would mean, but someone figure it out =p

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:12 am**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:07 am I'm thinking Ted probably does end up flipping 3p tbh. Don't know what that would mean, but someone figure it out =p

It means Tutuu and/or LC is bad

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:21 am**

The absence from the poll of a player is
1. A possible town role who uses this for the TRs they have
2. A mafia role who targeted me first because i am villager and bring after my flip wifom over the other targeted.

I thought it'd be the first, logically, but idk though

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:23 am**

Can someone search for the baseball things and repost them?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:25 am**

I agree we should be looking beyond a wolf Ted world in case he is indeed 3P.

If that's the case then the mech crap around Kyle needs to be sorted. Tutuu is unlikely scum for many reasons now, most recently baseball. But I can not see how Kyle gets a ding D5 if LC is mafia considering he wasn't roleblocked N3. So that's a potential mindfuck.

We can also look at who isn't technically cleared, eg Hyena, Tim, etc.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:28 am**

Maybe Tim is a wolf. I can't believe he's this whiny about a game where his team is winnings handily, and I've been assuming he's doing this on purpose. But like, if you want to take on the role of not letting your team get complacent, you so the work to poke at the fringes yourself, not complain and degrade your team's work incessantly.

So maybe he's just a wolf who is hoping to get to a stage where he can say he told us so and foster confusion and paranoia. Considering the flipped scum roles so far have been collectively pretty weak, maybe he was their extra KP.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:28 am**

Does it ever benefit mafia to remove town from the poll? Also who all has been removed the poll this game? Anyone know they off the top?

I think I might pick a few ISOs to read the game from to get fresh perspective. Anyone got recs?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:30 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:56 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:53 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:50 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:33 am [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
This a serious case or are you just making things look interesting?
Need an acceptable cw.

If ted is 3p, then LC and tutuu are the scum but I townread both. Ted should probs be yeeted
that’s actually not true. @Kylemii describe your thing again?

i had to do tasks to unlock my actual role power 2 of which don't matter cus i did them immediately

the other two tasks were to target mafia and town

i completed those both at the end of the fourth day after having targeted um....

falcon, LC, tutuu, and tedxtr in that order.

the targeting thing worked like any other power in that it can be blocked or redirected or whatever.

the important particulars are that i was unlikely to be fucked with on night 1 and the night i targeted tutuu i was... probably not messed with? depending on how those things work.

that's i guess dependent on whether the gambit demon thief ability counts in the same category of ability that could be redirected. idk. i guess that's not what you asked

lmk if you need any more clarification but i'm going to bed now zzz

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:31 am**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:28 am Maybe Tim is a wolf. I can't believe he's this whiny about a game where his team is winnings handily, and I've been assuming he's doing this on purpose. But like, if you want to take on the role of not letting your team get complacent, you so the work to poke at the fringes yourself, not complain and degrade your team's work incessantly.

So maybe he's just a wolf who is hoping to get to a stage where he can say he told us so and foster confusion and paranoia. Considering the flipped scum roles so far have been collectively pretty weak, maybe he was their extra KP.

3p makes more sense than Wolf to me. Tim might need more time to fulfill his win condition. It also explains the weird as N3 vig shot. N3 vig shot is bizarre as town, underpowered as scum, but could make some sense as a 3p

My head cannon is the last mafia roll is some sort of vote manipulation mech. I don’t have any reason to believe that, but I was right on the baseball things so

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:32 am**

Made wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:28 am Does it ever benefit mafia to remove town from the poll? Also who all has been removed the poll this game? Anyone know they off the top?

I think I might pick a few ISOs to read the game from to get fresh perspective. Anyone got recs?

Michelle, LC and tutuu

I agree that I think it’s unlikely that this is a scum power role considering who have been targeted.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:33 am**

bottom line, if ted is telling the truth then i was 99% made to be targeting someone else othrer than him that night

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:35 am**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:33 am bottom line, if ted is telling the truth then i was 99% made to be targeting someone else othrer than him that night

Wait. You do the targeting based on who you vote for right??

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:36 am**

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Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:36 am**

Do we have any evidence of redirection so far?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:36 am**

Made wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:35 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:33 am bottom line, if ted is telling the truth then i was 99% made to be targeting someone else othrer than him that night
Wait. You do the targeting based on who you vote for right??

Nah, he just steals their role. Who he votes for doesn’t affect who is targeted

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:36 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:36 am
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Radishes, you aren’t scum are you?

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Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:37 am**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:36 am Do we have any evidence of redirection so far?

Nope

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:30 am**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:28 am Maybe Tim is a wolf. I can't believe he's this whiny about a game where his team is winnings handily, and I've been assuming he's doing this on purpose. But like, if you want to take on the role of not letting your team get complacent, you so the work to poke at the fringes yourself, not complain and degrade your team's work incessantly.

So maybe he's just a wolf who is hoping to get to a stage where he can say he told us so and foster confusion and paranoia. Considering the flipped scum roles so far have been collectively pretty weak, maybe he was their extra KP.

LOL...sure man...best way to blend in has always been harassing the town core. Mafia 101.

I just disagree about the "winning handily" part. A bunch of wolves are dead, and that's great. But some number remain and I don't see any indication that anyone has the first clue who they are. Case in point "well, beats me, how about the irritating guy?"

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:34 am**

GTH I don't think Tim is wolf imo

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:38 am**

kyle played baseball n2 i said this already today

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:40 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:38 am kyle played baseball n2 i said this already today

sorry

do you know anyone else who has played baseball?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:42 am**

u are ok dont be sorry, no one else had claimed

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:49 am**

So we only have two people to claim being thrown a baseball? Why are we missing people

Wonder if Martin had one thrown and never said, would make sense as I don't think Wolves really wanted to kill there and were forced to I guess because of his role. The downside for them is that it allowed Jack to get another cop result off.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:52 am**

How is Nutella still second highest poster

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:38 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:52 am How is Nutella still second highest poster

Game slowed down with the red preek

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:39 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:30 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:28 am Maybe Tim is a wolf. I can't believe he's this whiny about a game where his team is winnings handily, and I've been assuming he's doing this on purpose. But like, if you want to take on the role of not letting your team get complacent, you so the work to poke at the fringes yourself, not complain and degrade your team's work incessantly.

So maybe he's just a wolf who is hoping to get to a stage where he can say he told us so and foster confusion and paranoia. Considering the flipped scum roles so far have been collectively pretty weak, maybe he was their extra KP.
LOL...sure man...best way to blend in has always been harassing the town core. Mafia 101.

I just disagree about the "winning handily" part. A bunch of wolves are dead, and that's great. But some number remain and I don't see any indication that anyone has the first clue who they are. Case in point "well, beats me, how about the irritating guy?"

The first clue comes from Kyle isn't it?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:12 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:34 am GTH I don't think Tim is wolf imo

I agree tbh. I'm just trying to model good townie behaviour for anyone who wants to suggest we're missing someone - that is, give actual suggestions of who it might be.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:15 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:52 am How is Nutella still second highest poster

Seems like nutella.

We can blame her for info overload preventing retrospective analysis.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:11 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:30 amLOL...sure man...best way to blend in has always been harassing the town core. Mafia 101.

I just disagree about the "winning handily" part. A bunch of wolves are dead, and that's great. But some number remain and I don't see any indication that anyone has the first clue who they are. Case in point "well, beats me, how about the irritating guy?"

Find the woofs?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:14 am**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:34 am
Made wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:18 am*snip*
i think hyena could hypothetically be cleared... sort of. there's no reason the hosts couldn't do it, but setting up live players with dead ones for btsc would be a buckwild power to give to the mafia, to the point that the optimal way to play that would be to just not use it. (standard wifom caveat i guess)

like there's always loopholes but i think at the very least hyena is way way way at the outer edge of the PoE

Wasn't that role originally a mafia role though?

Who have you targeted @Hyena ?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:30 am**

DrWilgy 3 Timsup2nothin, tedxtr, Justplayingitcool
tedxtr / TurnipHead 7 Michelle, Dyslexicon, Kylemii, Long Con, Syn, tutuu, Made

These are the wagons right now, I agree a counter wagon is really necessary, but looking at how Ted is posting I am almost sure he is scum/antitown anyway.
looking at how he wanted to push me into the Poe doesn't fit with a town Ted who would interact with me before labeling me as possible scum yday

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Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:38 am**

day 1 last poll

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:00 pm Which champion will you retire today?

Poll ended at Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:00 pm

Cat 10 - nutella, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu, Made, tedxtr, falcon45ca, MacDougall, Timsup2nothin, Dyslexicon, Marmot

falcon45ca 7 - Thunal33, cat, MartinGG99, Long Con, DrWilgy, Justplayingitcool, Master Radishes

Hyena 2 - Sloonei, Kylemii

Marmot 1 - 112

nutella 2 - Syn, Jackofhearts2005

Thunal33/HK 3 - dyachei, TonyStarkPrime, Michelle

TurnipHead/Ted - 1 Hyena

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:45 am**

day 2 poll

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:11 pm Who should get what's coming?
Poll ended at Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:00 pm

112 2 - TonyStarkPrime, Kylemii

Dyslexicon 2 - 112, falcon45ca

Marmot 10 - Sloonei, MacDougall, Made, nutella, Timsup2nothin, Master Radishes, MartinGG99, Justplayingitcool, Hyena, Syn

MartinGG99 3 - hollowkatt, tedxtr, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2 - Long Con, Michelle

Timsup2nothin 3 - Marmot, Jackofhearts2005, tutuu

No vote 2 - Alison, Dyslexicon

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:55 am**

i don't find logical the fact Marmot had just Sloonei bussing there, I think in Marmot wagon is at least one more wolf.
Marmot voting outside the wagon is wifom-y but Nanook voting Martin is telling that wolves went for an anti wagonomics analysis at eod 2.
Probably Ted is indeed unaligned with Nanook, and HK as well?

Falcon's wagon of Eod 1 should have one more wolf (at least)

that was my work break, bbl

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:02 am**

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sort by post count is interesting

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:58 am**

Made wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:35 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:33 am bottom line, if ted is telling the truth then i was 99% made to be targeting someone else othrer than him that night
Wait. You do the targeting based on who you vote for right??

Different thing

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:38 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:36 am Do we have any evidence of redirection so far?

Outside of Kyle? I'm not sure. Something odd happened with my power last night that makes me think possibly.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:42 pm**

I'm opposed to being the counter wagon atm I'm a good Little Woog.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:42 pm**

Made wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:39 am I'm doing a bit of maths. is HK confirmed town?? I feel like i read that somewhere

I mean sloonei was hard pushing me yesterday, so unless you think that was a bus or some play to try to go deep, yeah.
Someone else flipped spewed me I think too, but I dunno.

I know I haven't done anything useful so your mileage may vary.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:43 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:39 am
Made wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:18 am ight,
Here's my solve:
There's 17 players remaining. Right now we have 8 pseudo-confirmed town (including today's cop check). If we mischop everyday until day 12 (and no players die from anything other than chop/NK) , our final group would be 1 confirmed town (likely my cute invulnerable) , 3 unconfirmed players, and Alison.

If we can confirm one more player, outside of who Jack will confirm today, Day 12 is 2 confirmed town, 2 unconfirmed town and Alison can force a town win.
If we can confirm two more players, it's an automatic town win. Lylo would always have a confirmed town majority.

A few vig shots in the pool of non-confirmed players also brings us closer to a forced town win. So yeah, let's turbo this!!! Who in the group of players that we haven't confirmed town yet has been spewed town by Nanook, Cat, Marmot, or Sloonei? If we can find two of them**, we win.

Here's my work (warning it might not make any sense)
Players remaining:17
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before i go into my bullshit...

okay let's solve!

Players remaining: 17
Alison
Dr Wilgy
Dizzy
Hk
Hyena
Jack
Jpic
Kyle
LC
Made
Radishes
Michelle
syn
ted
tim
tony
tutuu

ok, so confirmed not scum in that group is:
Alison (basically)
Jack
Kyle (basically)
Made (or sub yourself if you're town)
Michelle (if we trust that Sloonei doesn't pitch to his teammate)
Syn
Tutuu
+whoever Jack confirms today

players left over:
Wilgy
Dizzy
HK
Hyena
Jpic
Tim
LC
Radishes
Ted
Tony
minus one, because of whoever Jack's confirming today.

And here's the solve:
key: Dx (mislynch/mafia kill) # of players remaining
D6 Ted/Jack 15
D7 Jpic/Syn 13
D8 Radishes/Tutuu 11
D9 Dizzy/Kyle 9
D10 HK/Michelle 7
D11 Hyena/Made 5

Going into day 12 with 5 players left, our final group would still have 1 confirmed town, 3 unconfirmed players, and Alison
** I don't know how to say this neatly, but we win the game assuming there is a town observer at this point. from the POV of a nonconfirmed player (ie me) the game is solved at 2 more confirmed players. If I some how get confirmed, then from a universal pov, we will still need 2 town more confirmed town to force a win

Another edge case to consider is if we find another 3p in our PoE. If they town side they can force a win similar to Alison in the 1 more confirmed player situation....if they're anti town we kill them as if they were still in PoE and the math doesn't really change i don't think.

Made is deepwolf

kinda want to agree with that

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