The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, who is Jay's partner?

Scotty.

Great, how about the other one?

Are there three mafia?

Epignosis wrote:My Home Alone game had two mafia and they won- even when the game was broken in favor of the civilians.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

Epignosis wrote:My Home Alone game had two mafia and they won- even when the game was broken in favor of the civilians.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Tom Sawyer = reywaS moT

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MM, what do you think of Wilgy's behavior since he replaced S~V~S?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MM, what do you think of Wilgy's behavior since he replaced S~V~S?

He hasn't exhibited any of his towntells, but he hadn't as DrWilgy 1.0 either.

I think he's a civilian though. What do you think of this list he posted last night?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MM, what do you think of Wilgy's behavior since he replaced S~V~S?

He hasn't exhibited any of his towntells, but he hadn't as DrWilgy 1.0 either.

I think he's a civilian though. What do you think of this list he posted last night?

I think he put random names into a post. I don't think there was a good reason to associate Golden and INH as team mates while they were arguing with each other over page after page about strategic concepts. I have no idea what his gripe was with Ricochet. After he played so lazily at Wilgy 1.0, he'd have no choice but to maintain that image as Wilgy 2.0 when he draws a mafia role. He is still doing fuck all, but he's pretending to have "reads" in the midst of that fuck all.

I could also see him killing either Golden or Ricochet to help facilitate his current vote today. "Welp, my 'suspect' died, I guess I'm stuck voting for JJJ" -- while most of the remaining players are already frothing at the mouth waiting to click the JJJ button. It just reeks of fakeness and opportunism.

Combine that with the fact that I think there are valid reasons to town read everyone in this game except Wilgy 2.0 and reywaS, and it makes my suspect pool pretty obvious. Them.

What makes you think he's a civilian?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I forgot that DrWilgy can't be a vig, I take back my townread.

Epignosis wrote:If reywaS hasn't been around, then he can't be the serial killer, but that also means that, if he's bad, he hasn't been around to kill in the capacity of mafia either. Someone else would have to be doing the killing.

DrWilgy has been ruled out as the serial killer too.

Epignosis wrote:An ideal lynch will land on someone who could be either killer.

Epignosis wrote:Looking over your list, there's some mild overlap. MM and INH are both possible mafia and the most likely to be serial killers, according to you. If you were to vote one of the two, which one would it be, and why?

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ you confuse me. Why do you think I don't care? I've cared this entire game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ you confuse me. Why do you think I don't care? I've cared this entire game.

I believe that you care now.

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ you confuse me. Why do you think I don't care? I've cared this entire game.

I believe that you care now.

Jay, I've always cared. No need for the sass. Sass won't bring harambe back.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ you confuse me. Why do you think I don't care? I've cared this entire game.

I believe that you care now.

Jay, I've always cared. No need for the sass. Sass won't bring harambe back.

I didn't vote for you "because you don't care".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, do you really believe that Wilgy placing one vote away from the larger wagons is good reason to remove him from candidacy to be mafia? That strikes me as an incredibly dubious thing.

I didn't remove him anything. You're removing people from it based on a single reason to town read them, which I think is bogus considering I can think of more reasons to scum read many players than town read them. Playing by your logic, however, I think my reason for 'removing him' is a good one. I'm more inclined to scum read anyone who tries to discredit alternative votes than scum read him for sticking to his own suspicion.

The only player I have removed from candidacy for just one reason is leetic, because multiple reasons are impossible with leetic. I believe you agreed with my rationale for him. For everyone else I have provided multiple reasons.

If Wilgy showed any actual investment in his "alternative vote" I might understand your perspective. He slanked out of the spotlight with that vote, and today he's jumped right onto the easiest wagon available without a word. That doesn't bother you?

I guess his vote for you isn't ideal, I'd have liked a case from him to back it up. But as it stands, I don't think it's a bus, and you're sitting lower on my rainbow list than he is.

I'm not bothered by his Day 2. From my perspective, the only reason his vote appears to be so uninvested is because of how meaty the Quin 1.0/3J trains were in comparison. In a less active game than this, it'd be put down as Wilgy being Wilgy, and that's how I'm going to perceive it.

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:People who suspect me to whatever degree: I have a request/demand for you.

Tell me who my supposed living team mate is.

marmot. I think you have a weak reason to add him to your list of town reads and his voting pattern so far is suspicious.

Sorry about my inactivity, I have been reading, but uni work demotivated me a lot from this today. I'll be sporadically active tomorrow.

Alright, tell me this Quin:

If you think Marmot shouldn't get credit for his Day 1 vote because the Scotty lynch was "inevitable", okay. For the sake of argument I'll go with that.

Why then did I try to "save" the same guy? He's gone anyway the next day, so why am I willfully making myself look like a doofus?

It's hardly a save considering every time I put marmot's name forward INH gets put forward as his personal meatshield. It doesn't look like marmot's going to ever be lynched at this rate.

Quin wrote:I guess his vote for you isn't ideal, I'd have liked a case from him to back it up. But as it stands, I don't think it's a bus, and you're sitting lower on my rainbow list than he is.

I'm not bothered by his Day 2. From my perspective, the only reason his vote appears to be so uninvested is because of how meaty the Quin 1.0/3J trains were in comparison. In a less active game than this, it'd be put down as Wilgy being Wilgy, and that's how I'm going to perceive it.

Quin wrote:It's hardly a save considering every time I put marmot's name forward INH gets put forward as his personal meatshield. It doesn't look like marmot's going to ever be lynched at this rate.

Quin wrote:Will you lynch the marmot with me today?

DrWilgy wrote:Question... Who has stated they are civ reading the talking players? I believe it was Marmot and Quin... There may have been more.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:I guess his vote for you isn't ideal, I'd have liked a case from him to back it up. But as it stands, I don't think it's a bus, and you're sitting lower on my rainbow list than he is.

I'm not bothered by his Day 2. From my perspective, the only reason his vote appears to be so uninvested is because of how meaty the Quin 1.0/3J trains were in comparison. In a less active game than this, it'd be put down as Wilgy being Wilgy, and that's how I'm going to perceive it.

"Wilgy being Wilgy" is a cross-alignment phenomenon. That's not "credit". It's hesitation on your part. And I think it's a critical mistake you're making.

It's not. It's typical Wilgy behaviour, mixed with an action that reads civ to me. Even if it was hesitation, 'hesitant' to scum read someone trumps 'confident' to scum read someone.

Quin wrote:It's hardly a save considering every time I put marmot's name forward INH gets put forward as his personal meatshield. It doesn't look like marmot's going to ever be lynched at this rate.

I don't understand your meaning here. I'm not talking about INH. I'll restate my question:

You suggest Marmot bussed Scotty.

I clearly wanted Marmot to vote for INH at the end of Day 1.

He didn't do as I asked, and he cast suspicion on me for asking it.

So, in the universe you're suggesting where Marmot and I are team mates -- Marmot hammered the same baddie I was trying to save. My team mate and I are directly at odds. Moreover, if you think the Scotty lynch was inevitable, then why do you think I tried to prevent it? The exact opposite of what Marmot did. I don't think this makes sense and I am trying to illustrate that for you.

Any suspicion the marmot has thrown upon you seems to have fizzled out quickly. Why didn't you do the exact same thing your teammate did? Because that would be stupid.

Quin wrote:Will you lynch the marmot with me today?

Probably not. I'm not even sure I'd vote for him out of self-preservation. If you can lay out a comprehensive case against him I'd be willing to look it over. To this point I don't really understand why you read him the way you do.

Quin wrote:I've made my case against him quite clear. I can ISO him properly tonight, but my gripe is mainly within his voting pattern. It's flimsy, contradictory, and weakly justified. Day 1, he voted Scotty allthewhile he was nodding along to his sussing of Quin 1.0. Day 2, he sat his vote on you as a 'pressure vote' for most of the phase, (I do not understand how a pressure vote could have possibly done anything for anyone at the time) and decided all of a sudden that you'd changed his mind. As far as I'm concerned that was a premeditated baddie move.

Quin wrote:Because that would be stupid.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Because that would be stupid.

Apparently it wouldn't be. *remembers for next time*

I have a feeling this game will go down as a great lesson in WIFOM. The prevailing wisdom around here seems to be: never ever ever listen to anything that is WIFOM ever, it's always meaningless and unreadable and I refuse to listen to it.

Quin wrote:I've made my case against him quite clear. I can ISO him properly tonight, but my gripe is mainly within his voting pattern. It's flimsy, contradictory, and weakly justified. Day 1, he voted Scotty allthewhile he was nodding along to his sussing of Quin 1.0. Day 2, he sat his vote on you as a 'pressure vote' for most of the phase, (I do not understand how a pressure vote could have possibly done anything for anyone at the time) and decided all of a sudden that you'd changed his mind. As far as I'm concerned that was a premeditated baddie move.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's inaccurate. I actually said I think Scotty is mafia that Quin 1.0 was not his partner on Day 1. I later said I like Scotty's comment to Quin, at which point my read started to shift.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's inaccurate. I actually said I think Scotty is mafia that Quin 1.0 was not his partner on Day 1. I later said I like Scotty's comment to Quin, at which point my read started to shift.

Could you bring out the posts that illustrate this progression?

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ I would be more inclined to believe you if you had stated "Let's lynch Wilgy for being afk"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The best case I can think of to label MM a mafia member is to call him a team mate of INH. In that scenario, the two largest wagons at the end of Day 1 would have been scum/scum, thus rendering MM's hammer vote less valuable. Indeed he'd have been sparing one team mate for another who flipped town at first. I do think this theory still requires some reaching, but evidence exists.

I'd very much like to know how MM and INH read each other right now.

Epignosis wrote:I just voted INH.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I just voted INH.

I'd like to know why.

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: And I'm very rarely 100% sure of anyone's alignment. Although, if I am, it's probably Epignosis. And I've been right about him for the last two games.

Yeah, you really got me with that, "He's either Shawn or a confused civilian but totally not Yin oh no wait he's Yin."

You should be a politician.

I thought you were Yin ever since my team failed to NK you, I just didn't announce so in the thread.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's inaccurate. I actually said I think Scotty is mafia that Quin 1.0 was not his partner on Day 1. I later said I like Scotty's comment to Quin, at which point my read started to shift.

Could you bring out the posts that illustrate this progression?

Why yes! This one and this one.

insertnamehere wrote:My proposed Day 3 lynch is 3J.

insertnamehere wrote:The only people I townread right now are Epi and Sloonei. Everybody else I have conflicting feelings towards.