The Syndicate

Got to page 67.

Oh now I see why Daisy replied that post of mine. Sorry for the misunderstanding, Daisy.

sig wrote:I told you I could do Glorfs meta like the back of my hand.

I'M CAUGHT UP

I have nothing to say because I posted all of my thoughts while catching up.

Later guys. See you next catch up.

Snow Dog wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Thank you LC.

General consensus. Do we think more baddies are openly discussing or hiding in the background?

People always ask that for some reason and the most likely answer is always "both".

There are 7 baddies in this game, I expect some of both kinds.

But there is almost certainly a baddie in, say, the top 10 posters? Even top 6 possibly?

Kind of weird questioning. Are you aiming to come after some top posters?


Sog certainly looks good due to the spirityo flip but it doesn't sit right by me that he spent his whole D2 on it when it was a static argument.

I think we should do everything we can do lynch sprityo on Day 3.

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Effective immediately, Sprityo is replacing Glorfindel.

And yeah, dead members of factions win too.

I have to wonder why Sprit replaced Glor. Glor was pretty active. I know glor has a hard time being mafia, so maybe it was too much pressure.

This is all I have to go on right now, unfortunately. So, *voting Sprit*

I think there are much more significant topics being discussed right now which make for better votes than than voting based on a flimsy hypothesis on why someone might have subbed out.

Then, please...tell me what they are. I missed about 16 pages that I simply don;t have time to read. DDL was the only one to post a summary for me and he said there wasn't much there. So...I just started where I came at.

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Yeah sounds nice, but when you're gut only wants to talk about one person, simply choosing someone else is not so easy. Nice avoidance of my question though. Duly noted.

I am rescinding my civilian opinion of you after that.

I didn't avoid your question. I gave you an an answer that will help me develop my opinion on you better, and I'd say it did the trick.

SD's response got me wondering about her as well. I actually though your reply to her was surprisingly kind for you. And then her response smelled of baddie.

WOAH.....from last night til this morning....EIGHT pages. Y'all are killing me. I've got to go get to work.

Before getting to work, I had to at least check out the lynch results. And I have to say...I think I'm pretty good at telling glorf's alignments. Quin...You thought there was nothing in my reasoning for voting that way....I think you ought to be next. Please try to convince me otherwise.

Spacedaisy wrote:
@ Epi: You are an ass when you play this game, you know that? Civs need to converse, share thoughts and express their cases so that they can route out the baddies, as a team. And I have zero belief that you have any kind of info role, I think you just like being obtuse. INH is right that you don't get any right to be smug, but you will be anyway. And no one will give a shit because we all know your choice to act the way you have in this situation has not helped the civs at all. So if you are civ, which I would bet you are, you're useless to us when you play this way. But I know that won't stop you, so whatever. I'm done engaging with you just to be treated like a dimwitted child.

Sprityo
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sig (2), Soneji (5), Elohcin (15), Epignosis (19)

"Useless."

Elohcin wrote:Before getting to work, I had to at least check out the lynch results. And I have to say...I think I'm pretty good at telling glorf's alignments. Quin...You thought there was nothing in my reasoning for voting that way....I think you ought to be next. Please try to convince me otherwise.

What is your case against Quin?

Wow, awesome result! I should have stuck with my initial read of him there more I suppose.

I'll catch up on the thread later when I have more than 5 minutes to do so.

Dead players and non-players, here is a Chatzy you can hang around in:

https://us23.chatzy.com/46793931232873

DFaraday wrote:Dead players and non-players, here is a Chatzy you can hang around in:

https://us23.chatzy.com/46793931232873

Favouritism.

insertnamehere wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Before getting to work, I had to at least check out the lynch results. And I have to say...I think I'm pretty good at telling glorf's alignments. Quin...You thought there was nothing in my reasoning for voting that way....I think you ought to be next. Please try to convince me otherwise.

What is your case against Quin?

He tried to direct my attention away from Sprit/Glorf.

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Effective immediately, Sprityo is replacing Glorfindel.

And yeah, dead members of factions win too.

I have to wonder why Sprit replaced Glor. Glor was pretty active. I know glor has a hard time being mafia, so maybe it was too much pressure.

This is all I have to go on right now, unfortunately. So, *voting Sprit*

I think there are much more significant topics being discussed right now which make for better votes than than voting based on a flimsy hypothesis on why someone might have subbed out.

A bunch of pages

Christmas lasted longer than I expected and I ended up forgetting that this game existed in the process; I'm sorry for that, but, on the bright side, if the scum are sweethearts that will let me survive for one more night then I'll see if I can't make some magic happen tomorrow!

Holiday madness is over for me so I'll be catching up on the past couple days today & tomorrow

I am most definitely not caught up.

But neither are you, dear skimmer.

Elohcin wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Before getting to work, I had to at least check out the lynch results. And I have to say...I think I'm pretty good at telling glorf's alignments. Quin...You thought there was nothing in my reasoning for voting that way....I think you ought to be next. Please try to convince me otherwise.

What is your case against Quin?

He tried to direct my attention away from Sprit/Glorf.

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Effective immediately, Sprityo is replacing Glorfindel.

And yeah, dead members of factions win too.

I have to wonder why Sprit replaced Glor. Glor was pretty active. I know glor has a hard time being mafia, so maybe it was too much pressure.

This is all I have to go on right now, unfortunately. So, *voting Sprit*

I think there are much more significant topics being discussed right now which make for better votes than than voting based on a flimsy hypothesis on why someone might have subbed out.

Your vote was poorly justified. You didn't even indicate that you actually suspected him. The fact that you were right means nothing to me.

Elohcin wrote:

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Effective immediately, Sprityo is replacing Glorfindel.

And yeah, dead members of factions win too.

I have to wonder why Sprit replaced Glor. Glor was pretty active. I know glor has a hard time being mafia, so maybe it was too much pressure.

This is all I have to go on right now, unfortunately. So, *voting Sprit*

I think there are much more significant topics being discussed right now which make for better votes than than voting based on a flimsy hypothesis on why someone might have subbed out.

Then, please...tell me what they are. I missed about 16 pages that I simply don;t have time to read. DDL was the only one to post a summary for me and he said there wasn't much there. So...I just started where I came at.

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Yeah sounds nice, but when you're gut only wants to talk about one person, simply choosing someone else is not so easy. Nice avoidance of my question though. Duly noted.

I am rescinding my civilian opinion of you after that.

I didn't avoid your question. I gave you an an answer that will help me develop my opinion on you better, and I'd say it did the trick.

SD's response got me wondering about her as well. I actually though your reply to her was surprisingly kind for you. And then her response smelled of baddie.

WOAH.....from last night til this morning....EIGHT pages. Y'all are killing me. I've got to go get to work.

If DDL says there wasn't much there then he's full of it. But rather than me butcher a cliff notes version, I think you should come back to it when you're feeling better and have the time to read.

Hey, Elo, Quin, it's night time! Lots of time to take some more measured steps forward in the game.

Long Con wrote:Hey, Elo, Quin, it's night time! Lots of time to take some more measured steps forward in the game.

Nuh-uh. It's eight in the morning and I'm not doing shit until I've finished my coffee.

I no longer have a positive reason to believe Long Con is a civilian.

That isn't to say that I suspect him- it's just that my reason for standing in his corner yesterday is gone.

Take that as you will.

Quin wrote:If DDL says there wasn't much there then he's full of it. But rather than me butcher a cliff notes version, I think you should come back to it when you're feeling better and have the time to read.

Why don't you read what I said and talk about it, instead of quoting what Eloh said about what I said, then using it to say I'm full of shit?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Quin wrote:If DDL says there wasn't much there then he's full of it. But rather than me butcher a cliff notes version, I think you should come back to it when you're feeling better and have the time to read.

Why don't you read what I said and talk about it, instead of quoting what Eloh said about what I said, then using it to say I'm full of shit?

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Hey, Elo, Quin, it's night time! Lots of time to take some more measured steps forward in the game.

Nuh-uh. It's eight in the morning and I'm not doing shit until I've finished my coffee.

If she's wrong, then Eloh just tried to misconstrue the effort that you went to in your catch up. How do you feel about that?

Ok just to add context, this is what I believe Eloh is referring to.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'm sorry I haven't been here. We've been moving. I see I have 12 pages to catch up on. Anyone want to give me a quick summary. I hate to ask, b/c I really despise it when others ask after not participating. But I feel like I have a good excuse. On top of moving this week, all three of my kids have gone through a stomach bug. So I was packing and moving AND getting very little sleep. Summary please?

Some people want to lynch spirit because he replaced Glorf after he said some pingy stuff. He seems to be the main wagon here. I don't see any other big ones.

I didn't say there wasn't much going on, I said there weren't any big wagons other than sprit, which I believe was true at the time.

I'll think about your question later, Quin.

Epignosis wrote:I no longer have a positive reason to believe Long Con is a civilian.

That isn't to say that I suspect him- it's just that my reason for standing in his corner yesterday is gone.

Take that as you will.

I'll take it with a pinch of salt at the moment

Epignosis wrote:I no longer have a positive reason to believe Long Con is a civilian.

That isn't to say that I suspect him- it's just that my reason for standing in his corner yesterday is gone.

Take that as you will.

Well, it was nice while it lasted. It certainly squeezed us through that last lynch in the best way possible. I'll be expecting an explanation when the game is through though.

WOW, what a night, soup was a target for both the Civ ninja (aka vigilante) and baddie team number two; a proper target to be vig-killed, but I'm surprised to see Esme do that...as a baddie. I would think that one would enjoy having soup there to possibly draw a low-player lynch...as a baddie.

Lot's of civilian kills last night. But hey! It beats a modkill.

EBWOP: I meant a "low-poster", not a "low player", which is a mistake one can make as a Civvie, as an Indy, or...as a baddie.

Soup just isn't dead he is really dead.

This is actually really helpful in pinning down mafia members, I'd need to do some research, but I do recall in the last game where the high posters were getting plucked off several older members of TS were saying they wouldn't target high posters just because. There are also some who I think would be more likely to go after people like Soup who weren't/aren't contributing. Now I don't have any names yet and haven't looked into it much, but I do think that could be a helpful clue about Esme.

If I had to take a shot in the dark, I'd say Esma is an older member who has a good amount of experience of TS who hasn't been very active this game, I'd also say there's a chance they've hosted games in the past.

Unlike the Glorf thing, this isn't something I'd lynch on, but it is something to build a foundation on I think.

Also like I said last night assuming there weren't any shenanigans, which would mean an extra two votes on Sprit's not reported, nobody on Sprit's wagon was on his team.

Meaning Soneji, Epi, and Eloh are all cleared of being GHASTLY GUARDIANS, I'd include LC in that as well since he was the counter wagon to Sprit's, myself as well as DDL appeared to be counterwagons also, so I don't think we should be lynched this phase either.

sig wrote:Also like I said last night assuming there weren't any shenanigans, which would mean an extra two votes on Sprit's not reported, nobody on Sprit's wagon was on his team.

Meaning Soneji, Epi, and Eloh are all cleared of being GHASTLY GUARDIANS, I'd include LC in that as well since he was the counter wagon to Sprit's, myself as well as DDL appeared to be counterwagons also, so I don't think we should be lynched this phase either.

Stop me if I'm reading this wrong, but doesn't it mean that me, DDL, and JoH are cleared from being a part of the Troupe?

The Powder-Faced Women – Their vote counts for two as long as at least one other member of the Troupe votes the same way.

LC and Sprityo were tied, and Sprityo got lynched. This means that his vote against LC counted as one, and not two.

Not sure why you're clearing Soneji, Epi, Elo, LC, DDL, and yourself.

Oh, I thought I had your guys name in it to, also let me clarify you'd be lock cleared, I'm self clearing the others due to the vote distribution and mechanics. I don't think it is very likely for teammates for to vote a mafia partner in a situation like this, which is why I'm saying Soneji, Epi, and Eloh are cleared. I think it would be highly unlikely that LC who was the counterwagon is on their team. I also was including In DDL since we saw movement to lynch him based around people who were agaisnt the Sprit's wagon.

Now having said that, all of these players could be on the other mafia team, I just think it is immpossible/improbably they're on the Guardins.
Sorry for the confusion it's late. :P

Sooo....

NOT IN TROUPE: INH, DDL, JoH

NOT IN GUARDIANS: Soneji, Epi, Elo, LC, DDL

Does this mean you've joined me in the "DDL is totes town" corner?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Lot's of civilian kills last night. But hey! It beats a modkill.

How do you know soup was a civilian?

Sprityo is still on the list. We just can't get rid of the guy.

Bussing is a thing and I wouldn't clear anyone of the possibility of voting for a teammate. Less likely yes, but not impossible. And it's Epi you are talking about.

I also don't get why anyone should be cleared of being a Guardian. Sprit was a member of the Troupe.

I agree that the people who voted for LC are more or less cleared of being Troupe, due to game mechanics.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Lot's of civilian kills last night. But hey! It beats a modkill.

How do you know soup was a civilian?

He means kills by civilians.

Snow Dog wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Lot's of civilian kills last night. But hey! It beats a modkill.

How do you know soup was a civilian?

He means kills by civilians.

You've got me figured out.

And just so I understand, you folks aren't actually clearing players from mafia teams, right? I agree with the conclusion since sprityo had just subbed back into the game, but I'm not taking it as fact (except for sig maybe).

Yeah Sig is not troupe. There is bussing, but come on.

The others... it would depend on timing.

I agree with sig not in the Troupe, but I'm lost on these two lists.

insertnamehere wrote:Sooo....

NOT IN TROUPE: INH, DDL, JoH

NOT IN GUARDIANS: Soneji, Epi, Elo, LC, DDL

Does this mean you've joined me in the "DDL is totes town" corner?

I get the first list now. If one of them was sprityo's partner, their vote would be doubled and LC would have been lynched instead.

What about the second list?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I get the first list now. If one of them was sprityo's partner, their vote would be doubled and LC would have been lynched instead.

What about the second list?

I also do not understand the second list.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I get the first list now. If one of them was sprityo's partner, their vote would be doubled and LC would have been lynched instead.

What about the second list?

But maybe LC survived because he is Esme. This posibility throws doubt on that list.

LoRab wrote:

I would like to point out that I would bet that the Lotab kill probably had someone involved in the decision who knew she was in Israel. Most likely a friend of hers, letting her enjoy her trip without worrying about mafia. Why else would a mafia team kill her when she is busy and fairly disengaged from the game?