The Syndicate

Boomslang wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Boomslang, it'd be ideal for you to at least answer to Quin's allegations.

oh hi, linki

I voted for you because I thought you were in the wrong about LC and being overly pushy/thread-controlling about it. If Quin calls that "disingenuous," that's his problem, not mine. I've stepped back from that position after your immunity claim, because think that claim was a civ move meant to get the town moving in more productive lynch directions, which it in fact did. My line about returning suspicion was meant to reflect that the lynch was not in fact tied in the poll—Quin had the vote lead. I had assumed people would thus go for Quin first, and then pursue other targets at their leisure, but conveniently he wasn't on the Day 3 poll.

Linki w/Quin: You're just mad because I found your other teammate.

Boomslang wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Boomslang, it'd be ideal for you to at least answer to Quin's allegations.

oh hi, linki

I voted for you because I thought you were in the wrong about LC and being overly pushy/thread-controlling about it. If Quin calls that "disingenuous," that's his problem, not mine. I've stepped back from that position after your immunity claim, because think that claim was a civ move meant to get the town moving in more productive lynch directions, which it in fact did. My line about returning suspicion was meant to reflect that the lynch was not in fact tied in the poll—Quin had the vote lead. I had assumed people would thus go for Quin first, and then pursue other targets at their leisure, but conveniently he wasn't on the Day 3 poll.

Linki w/Quin: You're just mad because I found your other teammate.

insertnamehere wrote:If I'm not in imminent danger of being lynched, I'd probably be most inclined to vote Quin today. The truth of the matter is that until the whole "1 baddie in the LC/Quin/INH" trio thing is debunked, my head is gonna be on the chopping block.

I'd rather get ahead and save my head by voting Quin, who has been in my shortlist of suspects for a while now. It's a high risk/high reward situation. Until the possible baddie in the trio is caught, I'm going to keep taking heat, and the civilians will be stuck with the same topics of conversation. If I'm wrong about Quin, I also accept that I will almost definitely be going home D5.

I'm willing to take that risk.

nijuukyugou wrote:

thellama73 wrote:To Made's point, when I've made frustrated "just lynch me already" appeals in the past, I've almost always ben civ. It's something I see a lot less from baddies.

Someone has to be first, so I will place my vote on INH now. We will see if he really protected himself or not.

But wait...didn't you avoid voting for JJJ because he claimed he had an immunity? Why are you less inclined to believe INH?

nijuukyugou wrote: You were gung-ho against JJJ in several posts up until:

thellama73 wrote: I have decided I don't want to lynch JJJ. While the objective evidence against him is very strong, my heart says he is good. He has remained so calm during all this, and I think a baddie with absentee teammates would be more on edge. His interaction analysis last phase was genuinely helpful. If he is bad, he is playing such a good game thta he deserves to live another phase.

Calling shenanigans on this. Everything about him looks bad, except your heart says he's good? JJJ doesn't play a panicked game. I've never seen the dude panic. And deserving to live another phase if he's bad?? What??

nijuukyugou wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: Care to be specific?

Okay. I've explained why I think one of your voting bloc is bad, and only one. I think the other baddie is one of the lower posters, likely Eloh 2.0 or Daisy. I think starting with one of your more active triumvirate will be more beneficial in terms of information for the civilians.

Quin has put up a spirited self-defense, and has weirded me out with calls to lynch him. I'm not usre a baddie would do this.

Long Con has been giving me generally good vibes all game and has been pretty helpful in terms of content.

You've been a wallflower since after Day 1. You characterize your playstyle as aggressive, but you seem depressed and apathetic. Even now, you seem resigned to your fate when only one vote has come in. Bitter, but not really resisting. You're not really making case son anyone. You only reluctantly came out of the woodwork to participate in the discussion when it became clear you were in danger. You make halfhearted claims about prizes. You seem unwilling to impart information to the civilian cause to be used after your death.

What reason do I have to think you're civ?

Wait, Quin has a "spirited self-defense"? I hardly call "lynch me, go ahead and do it!" a self-defense, let alone spirited. And you mentioned before that if you were in the position of the current baddies (possibly one active baddie with absentee teammates) that you would "also be apathetic and depressed" in the thread, but I don't believe that, and I don't think you really do, either (of most other people). That statement makes me think you're just digging for something against INH.

nijuukyugou wrote: Your last vote makes you look good, but your recent posts stink to me.

Quin wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:If I'm not in imminent danger of being lynched, I'd probably be most inclined to vote Quin today. The truth of the matter is that until the whole "1 baddie in the LC/Quin/INH" trio thing is debunked, my head is gonna be on the chopping block.

I'd rather get ahead and save my head by voting Quin, who has been in my shortlist of suspects for a while now. It's a high risk/high reward situation. Until the possible baddie in the trio is caught, I'm going to keep taking heat, and the civilians will be stuck with the same topics of conversation. If I'm wrong about Quin, I also accept that I will almost definitely be going home D5.

I'm willing to take that risk.

I'd rather you did vote me. The fact that I'm still alive is off-putting and I think that there's some serious shit going on behind the scenes. I'll even self-vote if it comes to that.

Quin wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:If I'm not in imminent danger of being lynched, I'd probably be most inclined to vote Quin today. The truth of the matter is that until the whole "1 baddie in the LC/Quin/INH" trio thing is debunked, my head is gonna be on the chopping block.

I'd rather get ahead and save my head by voting Quin, who has been in my shortlist of suspects for a while now. It's a high risk/high reward situation. Until the possible baddie in the trio is caught, I'm going to keep taking heat, and the civilians will be stuck with the same topics of conversation. If I'm wrong about Quin, I also accept that I will almost definitely be going home D5.

I'm willing to take that risk.

I'd rather you did vote me. The fact that I'm still alive is off-putting and I think that there's some serious shit going on behind the scenes. I'll even self-vote if it comes to that.

Quin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I've changed my mind. I think all the remaining players should vote for Elohcin 2.0.

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:If I'm not in imminent danger of being lynched, I'd probably be most inclined to vote Quin today. The truth of the matter is that until the whole "1 baddie in the LC/Quin/INH" trio thing is debunked, my head is gonna be on the chopping block.

I'd rather get ahead and save my head by voting Quin, who has been in my shortlist of suspects for a while now. It's a high risk/high reward situation. Until the possible baddie in the trio is caught, I'm going to keep taking heat, and the civilians will be stuck with the same topics of conversation. If I'm wrong about Quin, I also accept that I will almost definitely be going home D5.

I'm willing to take that risk.

I'd rather you did vote me. The fact that I'm still alive is off-putting and I think that there's some serious shit going on behind the scenes. I'll even self-vote if it comes to that.

If you're a civilian I would urge you not to do that. There are numerous ways where your alignment could become more evident than it is right now. You're not an obligatory lynch in this or any phase.

Boomslang wrote:Hmm, so many lynch immunities claimed. Assuming they're all true, all we have to do is wait out another day before we can return to business as usual... which I'm prepared to do. On further reflection, I'm worried about the INH-LC-Quin "axis of evil." All of them, plus Wilgy, voted for llama on Day 1. Would three of those four have made that vote if they were all in fact mafia? Maybe two of them, but I doubt they'd leave themselves that open.

And with two of them claiming immunity, I'd like to talk about Made. Missed the first vote, voted JJJ late to tie the poll for Day 2, then piled on the Wilgy train late on Day 3. At 11 posts, he's active enough not to be a shameful low poster. His first big substantive post includes a short defense of Quin. He says he doesn't want to force a tie by voting JJJ, then does so anyway. Slowly adjusts his criticism of Quin to match the thread consensus while tempering it with a healthy dose of WIFOM.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I believe it was Epignosis who said that Wilgy's Day 1 vote improved the outlook for llama -- I agree. Wilgy pushed llama as a suspect early in the game and voted accordingly, at the very end of the phase, in an attempt to save DDL. This looks like opportunistic suspicion upon an easy target (I think that's what llama was on Day 1 given his behavior toward Sorsha). The vote was an easy one for Wilgy to make. That reduces my tinfoil on that front.

Elohcin wrote:Okay, so as Elo 1.0 I got an eerie feeling about jjj but didn't bring it up because I had too much to think about with quin. But this lynch doesn't look good on him. So, he is added to my list of possible baddies. So far I have jjj, quin, and epi that I will look at more throughout the night and day 4.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Okay, so as Elo 1.0 I got an eerie feeling about jjj but didn't bring it up because I had too much to think about with quin. But this lynch doesn't look good on him. So, he is added to my list of possible baddies. So far I have jjj, quin, and epi that I will look at more throughout the night and day 4.

This is pretty yikes. How can I integrate myself into the anti-JJJ environment of the thread?

nijuukyugou wrote:Yeah, just gonna put my money where my mouth is and bite the bullet. Voting JJJ.

insertnamehere wrote:i'm not saying that 3j is keyser söze

but he's totally keyser söze

Quin wrote:What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?

Quin wrote:What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:
~ I am less personally invested in the circumstantial replacement-relevant suspicion, but it exists.

insertnamehere wrote:He's a very craftsy individual. I bet his first grade macaroni portraits were stunning.

insertnamehere wrote:Quin. Would you be willing to vote Llama with me?

Quin wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Quin. Would you be willing to vote Llama with me?

Yuh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?

~ Process of elimination

~ Her suspicions of Epi and I look fake

~ She requested an extension and didn't do anything with it

~ Her Wilgy vote was too late to mean anything, and when she answered to that it was pretty much to second my own comments.

~ I am less personally invested in the circumstantial replacement-relevant suspicion, but it exists.

Sorsha wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?

~ Process of elimination

~ Her suspicions of Epi and I look fake

~ She requested an extension and didn't do anything with it

~ Her Wilgy vote was too late to mean anything, and when she answered to that it was pretty much to second my own comments.

~ I am less personally invested in the circumstantial replacement-relevant suspicion, but it exists.

I guess this has blossomed into more than just the circumstantial case Epi gave when she replaced back in.

I could go this route today since no one wants to vote jay with me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I believe it was Epignosis who said that Wilgy's Day 1 vote improved the outlook for llama -- I agree. Wilgy pushed llama as a suspect early in the game and voted accordingly, at the very end of the phase, in an attempt to save DDL. This looks like opportunistic suspicion upon an easy target (I think that's what llama was on Day 1 given his behavior toward Sorsha). The vote was an easy one for Wilgy to make. That reduces my tinfoil on that front.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Quin, somewhere in your lamentations about being so sorely wrong in this game so far, have you considered reassessing your reads?

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Quin, somewhere in your lamentations about being so sorely wrong in this game so far, have you considered reassessing your reads?

You know, contrary to popular belief, I don't just ride my conclusions to hell.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Long Con wrote:JJJ is my favourite person in this game, because I'd probably be nightkilled by now if it weren't for him.

This is a new point about Long Con I am thinking about. On a couple occasions he has asserted that he's pleased to receive some suspicion because it dissuades his being night killed. In this comment he says he'd have probably been night killed without my aggression.

I don't know why he'd feel that way. Even without me in the equation, his voting record is still bad and there's still no objective evidence in his favor. I don't see why he'd ever be night killed over the people who have been targeted (Boomslang and Marmot were both strongly trusted after the DDL lynch, and Elohcin 1.0 had roleblocker cred).

On some level this reads to me like a bad guy feeling the need to justify his continued survival.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Quin, somewhere in your lamentations about being so sorely wrong in this game so far, have you considered reassessing your reads?

You know, contrary to popular belief, I don't just ride my conclusions to hell.

Your current suspicions appear to be the same as they were on Day 1 for the most part.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:All:

Tell me why we shouldn't lynch Elohcin.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:All:

Tell me why we shouldn't lynch Elohcin.

Quin wrote:I don't know why this would mean anything. They have changed, for the most part.

linki: Because she is a less-than promising candidate. She feels like a good Day 1 lynch right now. That doesn't fly here.