Re: Hogwarts Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:02 pm
...Jesus 

[mention]nutella[/mention] speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:
"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."
Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"
In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.
Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.
[mention]Owner Of A Lonely Heart[/mention] hopefully this mention tag works and you see this: My sincerest regards and I hope that you are all OK and good and safe and if not, that you will be in the near future. You've been fun to play with in Firefly and in this game and any hostility that I've shown you I hope you realize is just me playing the game. Much respect to you and yours.Unfortunately, I have a family emergency. I ask for a replacement. @Dragon D Luffy @duyna
Yeh I dunno if I buy into the Bullzwagon but the Bullsponse to the Bullspicion was Bulloney.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:59 pmI definitely don’t like the Nova vote — I can sorta see a civ making it, but I wish he would tell us who he would rather lynch today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:06 pm My thoughts on Bullz - I already didn't feel great about his D1 activity and his explanation of it makes me feel worse about it (The game starts D1 fam so play starts D1) that being said The zeroing in on him RE: Nova strikes me as false. I feel like there is an element within that mob that isn't genuine. I'll have to dig into that tomorrow.
[mention]Lunalee[/mention] what makes you say you feel the scum are mostly laying low right now? Do you have any specific people in mind? I've read through your posts but didn't find a suspicion that matches that thought unless you are talking about Bullz. But if so, who else?Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:43 amI'm glad this game bases lynches on the majority vote instead of one person with a flamethrower. You and Owner did have a lot of back-and-forth, and I see why you suspect her. But I'm starting to think if she were scum she wouldn't have been so blatant with her accusations of you. Just a though. I feel like scum are mostly laying low right now, and I don't think we're on the right trail.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:33 amI'm moderately pinged by you, but I feel strongly that Owner's obsession w/ me D1 and her squirrely-ness with answering questions are good indications that she's bad. So if this was Outpost mafia and I had the flamethrower, it'd be Extra Crispy time up in here real quick.
That being said I'll have a firmer grasp of the game tomorrow when I do my Re-ISOing, and probably walk away from that with something better than a GTH, or in your case a "moderate ping".
Looking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:
"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."
Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"
In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.
Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.
I don't care about lynching Owner anymore but you can't sincerely believe this.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pmLooking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:
"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."
Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"
In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.
Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.
Why not? Did you read the comic? It was not at all a positive portrayal. I'm not saying I agree with Owner but I'm just saying that given her explanation of what the picture tell is it could make sense.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pmI don't care about lynching Owner anymore but you can't sincerely believe this.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pmLooking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:
"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."
Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"
In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.
Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.
I read the comic. I also read Kara's "Oh come on obviously I'm the toothed book in this" post. Neither of which I took seriously.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:30 pmWhy not? Did you read the comic? It was not at all a positive portrayal. I'm not saying I agree with Owner but I'm just saying that given her explanation of what the picture tell is it could make sense.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pmI don't care about lynching Owner anymore but you can't sincerely believe this.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pmLooking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:
"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."
Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"
In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.
Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.
so nutella is badnutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:30 pmWhy not? Did you read the comic? It was not at all a positive portrayal. I'm not saying I agree with Owner but I'm just saying that given her explanation of what the picture tell is it could make sense.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pmI don't care about lynching Owner anymore but you can't sincerely believe this.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pmLooking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:
"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."
Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"
In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.
Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.
Not taking them seriously is fine. I don't think they were meant to be taken seriously. I don't think that matters for Owner's reasoning. I think that the way she has explained the picture tell, it takes into account that the images are generally in jest.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:31 pmI read the comic. I also read Kara's "Oh come on obviously I'm the toothed book in this" post. Neither of which I took seriously.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:30 pmWhy not? Did you read the comic? It was not at all a positive portrayal. I'm not saying I agree with Owner but I'm just saying that given her explanation of what the picture tell is it could make sense.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pmI don't care about lynching Owner anymore but you can't sincerely believe this.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pmLooking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:
"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."
Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"
In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.
Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.
This thing was gross. Of all the things he could have commented on for his first substantial post of the game, why that? Lame.timmer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:10 pmHey all! Just want to point out that I find it difficult to believe that juliets was confused by this post. Like, even I can remember that people say shit like this on day 1. Thank you.
This is fine I guess, I had the same reaction myself when I saw kara's post.timmer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:36 pmI'm catching up atm, but wanted to point out what could be a really weak attempt at following the I am town charge, but with a "typo" that invalidates it. I don't know this player, so I don't know if they would try something so clumsy as a baddie. But that extra word in their ld statement is noteworthy for a day 1.karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:13 pmNo, that's an awful waste of a 1-shot ability to tell the truth, just to get the same info as a regular ability (Divination). But because you've started this, I also have to sayColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:09 pmThis is obviously a good idea, right? Any objections?
I am town.
I am a town.
Or else I'd look scum by not following along with it.
Also, I am town.
Notable that he includes juliets in his list of people not getting his vote even though he is "neutral" on her.timmer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:39 pmAlso this was to be my next point. The I am town exercise tend to never pay the dividends it seems like it should. But here we are anyway lol.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:23 pm Kind of a pointless exercise anyway, for a couple of reasons.
1. Cop checks already exist.
2. If enough players say "I am town", the one-shot ability will be devalued to a cop check (if used in that way).
The above being stated, all that saying "I am town" does is give the person who said it towny points, regardless of alignment. There is little risk involved, especially if multiple people say it.
It might even be a scum gambit to be one of the first people doing it. "He suggested the thing, surely he wouldn't condemn himself."
Yeah. I was a participant for a bit, but I'm ignoring it.
linki: some neat ideas. I like them.
Also I'm liking DH and Epig so far today, I'm neutral on juliets. None will getmy vote today barring a slip etc.
I don't know what I'm supposed to get out of this exchange.timmer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:15 pmWell I guess the real question is, what would someone who has barely played for years do in trying to read a player he doesn't know, but ask about them? And beyond that, where would an alignment tell be? Which brings me back to you talking a whole lot but really saying nothing much at all...Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:49 pmSadly, I can read this post both ways. Slight town maybe if I try to not be paranoid. I guess I'm debating if you would question others about how to read me or if you would just come to a conclusion yourself.timmer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:52 pm Okay, so reading owner's iso, I'd say he really and oddly blindered onto DH very early, and for what seems like entirely prev-game reasons. This allows him to talk a lot about suspicions towards sh, but without having to defend anything he says because, hey, is based on last game. And when pressed about it, he just versions of iunno I just feel it...
This can be a baddie move, but it can also just be blindering which ive done in the past. Those who know owner well, do you get any kind of alignment read from this angle?
He is the first to call out bullzeye. Ok.
But then he says this. Timmer do you not want to lynch bullzeye despite implying that you found his d1 behavior suspect?
He already has a vote and I don't have any reason to think he's town, and I don't want to lynch any of the other current candidates (although of the people who have at least one vote I could also look into Luna more, I'm fairly neutral on her but somewhat more of a slight town lean than mac)
That star is so far up that W's ass.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:29 pm A word from Papa Jay:
The value of Day 1 extends beyond the alignment of the player who is lynched on Day 1.
![]()
who die instead
Reading back now, many pages!
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:10 pmReading back now, many pages!
Nope.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:17 pmI've been called out as scum before but I gotta say, I've never been called out as scrotum before.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:05 pm LC = scrotum ... I am not entirely sure what that means.
Must mean I'm a better mafia player than @Long Con![]()
Did you have anything to say about poutanko?timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:22 pm Ok I was ISO ing poutanko and noticed something I had forgotten about karavalenge, and moved over to Kara.
1. Botched wording in her I am town statement which may, depending on mod discretion, invalidate a lie detect on it.
2. Commenting on sus against owner with supportive "meh?" Style little defences of his play which feel team-y.
3. Too specific in talk of owners deathly Hallows comments.
4. General ping in my gut.
I'm going to vote Kara, but could vote owner easily as well. Will read more tomorrow morning.
Or Oakland ineptitude.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:54 pmThink of all the concussions and other health problems the players will have and come play with us.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:30 pm How am I supposed to play Mafia when there’s an incredibly exciting 49ers/Raiders matchup on prime time?
I think Colin has seemed authentic in his play so far. Jack hasn’t done much, so I award no civilian points. There is precedent for him to goof off as a good guy so tread carefully, but it’s an easy meta to mimic. Indeed that’s the value of the meta.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:55 pm @JaggedJimmyJay : Being one of the few people I feel that I can trust in this game right now, may I please ask your opinion of two player of you may have far more extensive and recent experience of than I - Jack and Colin? Thank you kindly.
Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:10 pmHitting at house and home already, ouch.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:24 pm [VOTE: Sonjei] aubergine
Hufflepuffs are wimps and he’s from a poor family.
*sneer*
The effects of Veritaserum are described in the OPs under set-up, which clearly state it's limitations. Any attempts at a loophole would be grounds for asking the host, not something to go off on a tangent discussing with other players. I am puzzled at why you are asking about it's effect on a specific player, unless it's meant to be a joke as by what I can ascertain from other's posts Glorf has a truth meta.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:01 pm This Glorf talk reminds me of the presence of Veritaserum. This game has lie detection - can we lie-detect any post successfully, or are there restrictions? Some games have a rule that you can't LD answers to direct questions, to avoid everyone lining up and saying "I am a Civilian" as an automatic checkable phrase. Also, what happens when Glorf is given Veritaserum? Super-honesty?
I don't see a point in this post in furthering town's goals, if anything it reminds mafia of a mechanic they might have forgotten about. It just wants to go off into pure speculation, you don't even bring up any good targets for use of it.
Baseless mechanics talk is a general scumtell for me so :
[/b]Vote Lynch Longcon[/b]
My initial take on LC's discussion of mechanics was negative, so I don't fault Soneji for adopting the same view. I highlighted a portion though which rubs the wrong way, in that it's devoid of context. "This is a thing that is suspicious, LC did the thing, thus I vote." The mindset is civilian-compatible, but the delivery irks me. It's less important than what follows in this post.
I omitted content from this post to make it smaller. The first portion (red) refers to Owner. All of it reads badly to me. Foremost, I just don't like "when I have caught myself scum slipping it has been on minor things like this" -- it is some vague, unverifiable throwaway comment that anyone can tack on to a post to justify promoting a "slip". Discussion of slips is often controversial, because players split into camps defined by their belief in the likelihood of the phenomenon, and I believe that when bad guys falsely contribute to slip dialogue there's a need to justify such that the controversy is quelled.Soneji wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:34 am~~~
I think this has merit, the times when I have caught myself scum slipping it has been on minor things like this. By itself I wouldn't jump on this but that Owner has spent this whole phase tunneled on someone over a previous game adds to their rapsheet.
~~~
These posts from Lunalee all slightly pinged me, the mocking joke in response to TH, the preemptive excuse for voting off leading wagons, the overly long somewhat passive-aggressive post to say he's town and the fact that they prompted this JJJ wagon but only just joined it this late.
Vote Lynch Lunalee
Not sure I buy his suspicion of Turnip Head. The "push on me is bad" assertion traces back to this thing which does nothing for me, and "odd interactions" is essentially meaningless sans-expansion. He finagled his way into a lynch of a player who wanted his head.Soneji wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:17 pm My Lunalee lynch isn't going anywhere so it seems it's between Owner and TH. Owner had a potential scumslip but it's so slight that I'm not willing to bank on that. TH's push on me is bad and they have had some odd interactions. What edges things out for me is that Luna and TH are voting Owner, while Owner is not voting TH, scum would have to be really unmotivated to not self-pres.
[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:02 pmNo.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:49 pmName them.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:47 pm If 3J is bad some heavy interference has been ran by his teammates today.
*waves sand dramatically*
Spoiler: show
Colin, I've some questions.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:06 pm If TH is good, Owner still deserves scrutiny. If Owner is bad, check TH’s wagon.
Rejected*