The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:41 pm @Sloonei you should move your vote to no lynch I think.

OH, we are not going through NoLynchGate again.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:39 pm To Nova, Sloonei, Llama, Juliets and Mongoose assuming we successfully lynch Mafia today. Who are the most teammate compatible players for Luna/Colin?

Also is there a chance that they are in fact both the Mafia?

Linki: Thanks Mongoose.

I haven’t looked into teammate compatibility yet. I usually save that for confirmation of one scum. But I have been weighing whether or not luna and colin make sense as partners. I’d look into this during the night.

I often actually solve the game by looking at potential teammate patterns before any scum confirms. I think it's worth trying here. You might find that nobody makes sense as one of their partners for instance.

True. But I don't think I have time to do something that thorough 45 minutes before the deadline.

I'm just gonna skim and see if there are any glaring w/w moments.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:41 pm @Sloonei you should move your vote to no lynch I think.

OH, we are not going through NoLynchGate again.

That's not what's happening, like at all

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:44 pm

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:41 pm @Sloonei you should move your vote to no lynch I think.

OH, we are not going through NoLynchGate again.

That's not what's happening, like at all

Okay, I'm with you now, I thought I was taking crazy pills for a minute there. Sometimes I can't tell with someone's inherently jocular nature.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:41 pm @Sloonei you should move your vote to no lynch I think.

OH, we are not going through NoLynchGate again.

This is something different.

Hmmm Lunalee hasn't left much in the way of breadcrumbs for partners.

[VOTE: no lynch] aubergine

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] use that double vote to prove yourself.

I am more comfortable after having done a quick skim, that Lunalee deserves to be here more than Colin does. I would rather Llama (or Nova obviously) be in Colin's seat here. I don't think you have to look far through his ISO to see a civilian. Mongoose's case just adds credence to that hunch.

So best case scenario is Luna is telling the truth, double votes, wins the coinflip AND Colin flips mafia.
Worst case is Luna is telling the truth and loses the coin flip and flips civ and we learn nothing and lose the doublevoter.

Is that the score?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:34 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:33 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:24 am [VOTE: LUNA] aubergine

Nothing about Luna’s reads progress organically. They are all over the place and not even in a way that sounds justifiable when she’s grilled on it. That post llama highlighted as contrived was REALLY contrived as well.

If I get lynched because I voted no lynch because I’m busy at work then so be it, but I NEVER want to hear anyone again say I’m trying to outsmart you when I’m really just doing dumb shit by accident.

This sounds exactly like how I felt earlier in the game just for different reasons. It reads genuine to me for that reason. Maybe I'm biased.

My beef with colin there is that I don't think we're lynching him because he voted for No Lynch. That's not an accurate representation of the case on him at all.

Yes, I had not read your point when I posted that. You were correct. And actually, I have mixed feelings about the no Lynch vote anyway.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:53 pm So best case scenario is Luna is telling the truth, double votes, wins the coinflip AND Colin flips mafia.
Worst case is Luna is telling the truth and loses the coin flip and flips civ and we learn nothing and lose the doublevoter.

Is that the score?

Yes. Colin and Luna are close enough in my mind that I don't hate the risk.

All things being equal, I would still choose to lynch Colin over Luna.

Luna has not acknowledged the current plan.

Seems like we've settled on this then. So be it.

What do now?

I disagree with this - I think everyone understands the matrix except early on when luna and mongoose did not.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:21 am Why in the world are people townclearing Luna because she doesn’t understand the Matrix? Nobody understands the Matrix!

Sounds genuine:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:26 am Tfw Jay puts no lynch in a game as an option after a reasonable discussion in Sloonei’s game and then Sloonei and some other mfers want to fucking annihilate you for choosing it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:50 pm Does anyone think it's likely that Luna never misunderstood the matrix, but is mafia and made up the fake claim and pretended not to understand it to make her claim more believable?

I don't think it's likely that she never misunderstood the matrix.

I need to go back and re-read Mongoose's Colin post. I'm not feeling super great about my vote but I really saw Luna's claim in the way someone (Sloonei maybe) described it as her doing it spontaneously. Doesn't seem like she even thought about it. And I do believe she was confused about the matrix.

linki x a lot

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:53 pm So best case scenario is Luna is telling the truth, double votes, wins the coinflip AND Colin flips mafia.
Worst case is Luna is telling the truth and loses the coin flip and flips civ and we learn nothing and lose the doublevoter.

Is that the score?

Yes. Colin and Luna are close enough in my mind that I don't hate the risk.

Yeah I agree.

Moved my vote back to colin. I don't feel comfortable with this plan if luna hasn't acknowledged it herself.

This is insane.

Sloonei why does Luna havee to acknowledge it herself? Her not acknowledging it makes it even more likely she is bad. Move your vote back you pleb.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 pm Sloonei why does Luna havee to acknowledge it herself? Her not acknowledging it makes it even more likely she is bad. Move your vote back you pleb.

Because what if she's telling the truth but just has no idea that any of this is happening?

[mention]juliets[/mention] if sloonei has decided to abandon sense and reason perhaps you would do us the courtesy of moving your vote instead

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 pm @juliets if sloonei has decided to abandon sense and reason perhaps you would do us the courtesy of moving your vote instead

Yeah I'm too much of a coward to do the honors, I guess.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 pm @juliets if sloonei has decided to abandon sense and reason perhaps you would do us the courtesy of moving your vote instead

Mac Luna is not here to send in the double vote though. How will this work if she's not here?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 pm Sloonei why does Luna havee to acknowledge it herself? Her not acknowledging it makes it even more likely she is bad. Move your vote back you pleb.

Because what if she's telling the truth but just has no idea that any of this is happening?

What if? Who cares? She's most peoples 1 or 2 suspect anyway. Further to that, if she is telling the truth we might be town clearing her here.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 pm @juliets if sloonei has decided to abandon sense and reason perhaps you would do us the courtesy of moving your vote instead

Mac Luna is not here to send in the double vote though. How will this work if she's not here?

Luna has been online several times in the past hour and knows she is close to being lynched. If she doesn't send in the double vote then she's mad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 pm Sloonei why does Luna havee to acknowledge it herself? Her not acknowledging it makes it even more likely she is bad. Move your vote back you pleb.

Because what if she's telling the truth but just has no idea that any of this is happening?

What if? Who cares? She's most peoples 1 or 2 suspect anyway. Further to that, if she is telling the truth we might be town clearing her here.

Ok I'll move my vote to no lynch.

Ok it's done I'll stand by in case we change our mind.

I think we made the best decision I was able to come up with. That's all we can ask for in any lynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:19 pm I think we made the best decision I was able to come up with. That's all we can ask for in any lynch.

LOL!

Am I the only one who found Sloonei's bailing on the idea extremely irrational and suspicious?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:24 pm Am I the only one who found Sloonei's bailing on the idea extremely irrational and suspicious?

I still support it, I just don't trust myself with the responsibility.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:24 pm Am I the only one who found Sloonei's bailing on the idea extremely irrational and suspicious?

I still support it, I just don't trust myself with the responsibility.

I don't understand. If you support it why don't you trust yourself with the responsibility?

How exactly is it helpful to put Luna one behind?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:24 pm Am I the only one who found Sloonei's bailing on the idea extremely irrational and suspicious?

I still support it, I just don't trust myself with the responsibility.

I don't understand. If you support it why don't you trust yourself with the responsibility?

Because I'm liable to switch back to Colin at any moment. I'm antsy over here.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:26 pm How exactly is it helpful to put Luna one behind?

She can save herself if she's telling the truth.
or, she has a 50% chance of saving herself.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:27 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:26 pm How exactly is it helpful to put Luna one behind?

She can save herself if she's telling the truth.
or, she has a 50% chance of saving herself.

You'd give someone a 50% to save themselves instead of 100%?

If she's telling the truth, and they're tied, she'll survive 100%. If she's lying, she'll die 50%.

I'd rather take those odds.

Tie them up.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:26 pm How exactly is it helpful to put Luna one behind?

She is one ahead and if she's a civ then she has a doublevote so she can at the very least put herself back to a coin flip and save herself.

Best case scenario, Colin gets lynched here, flips Mafia and we clear Luna at the same time.
Worst case scenario, Luna gets lynched and flips civ and we lose someone a lot of people suspected in a mislynch.

It's not often you get a chance like this tbh.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:27 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:26 pm How exactly is it helpful to put Luna one behind?

She can save herself if she's telling the truth.
or, she has a 50% chance of saving herself.

You'd give someone a 50% to save themselves instead of 100%?

If she's telling the truth, and they're tied, she'll survive 100%. If she's lying, she'll die 50%.

I'd rather take those odds.

If it's a tie it becomes a coin flip (probably). There's no way of knowing what really goes into that.

I already demonstrated the logic Nova just pipe down.

If they are tied then you have no way of clearing Luna. If Colin flips instead of her how can you confirm whether she is town?

Unless of course Jay would tell us that the poll ends in a tie. We should have asked that. It's too late now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:29 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:27 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:26 pm How exactly is it helpful to put Luna one behind?

She can save herself if she's telling the truth.
or, she has a 50% chance of saving herself.

You'd give someone a 50% to save themselves instead of 100%?

If she's telling the truth, and they're tied, she'll survive 100%. If she's lying, she'll die 50%.

I'd rather take those odds.

If it's a tie it becomes a coin flip (probably). There's no way of knowing what really goes into that.

Since when we lynch someone based on the chance of "knowing what really goes into that"? I thought you were town reading her?

When is not just a coinflip. It seems to be a perma-rule now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:30 pm I already demonstrated the logic Nova just pipe down.

If they are tied then you have no way of clearing Luna. If Colin flips instead of her how can you confirm whether she is town?

Is this what we've become?

Only time for shite post. Colin lynched. Charlie. Vanilla civilian. Night ends in 24 hours.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:32 pm Only time for shite post. Colin lynched. Charlie. Vanilla civilian. Night ends in 24 hours.

Well I guess luna's town then.

Colin, you were an absolute delight.

So that clears Lunalee too. They were both town. Sorry Colin.

That's why we did what we did. We got a positive result out of a bad lynch.

In which case we just concluded the day with two civilian bandwagons and tomorrow is MYLO.

Great.