The Syndicate

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:49 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:39 am Imma move ender to null-townie tbh

@Neon whats ur current gamestate looking like rn and did you respond to my earlier question of what do u think of santy rn as well as what ur thoughts where on my progression/vote on u?

Sorry, I’m not good with gif language lol

Well you'll never be able to read me than.

Allison - null. I like the start but haven't remembered much they've done since than. The start is really fakable. Reading me based on others reads on me is Intresting and certainly a different approach from how they treated me when they were scum but I'm not sure they'd do that again twice.

arogame123 fuck if I know. I'm gonna say null leaning scum but I'm not remotely confident

Belzy - null leaning town. Vibing with their content.

Chamomile - who?

dyachei - don't remember anything they've done

ilario - scum-ish this is based on a lot of other people saying things are weird and than them voting me after town reading me and not really explaining why. That feels to obvious... but I don't believe in twtbaw

Lilypetal - lock town never rescind. Yall skill issue for voting a 5 poster early in the game for not being here get gud

EnderWiggen - town based on micro things you'll call me dumb for and for the recent catch up.

MacDougall - leaning town. But I'm not even gonna attempt to broach Mac

Millium - scummy. But this is based heavily on what appears to be a difference of opinion so I should reeval.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - book nook

Neon - towniest town who ever towned

Porscha - I dunno what others see that I do not. But actually there is a weird thing pinging me about Porscha and I can't voice it because I dunno how to express it so null.

RondoDimBuckle - fuck if I know

santygrass - null. I'm scared to read Santy I was sure I caught Santy in mafia misplay and I wrote a whole ass case and he flipped town. So... like...I feel like the slot is weird but I did than to

Seanzie - fuck if I know

staypositivefriend - town side of null

Tilgarial - scum I just hate the lily vote and the sheer amount of following the leader and not saying much

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:22 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:18 am At some stage in this game you decided to stop being an uwu themed chaos goblin consciously. Why? @Neon

I'm still being moderately uwu chaos goblin right? I'm just like also solving and trying. I dunno why I can't give you a good reason... when I think I see something I talk about it otherwise I do neon things... I've actually felt like I've seen things more often this game that I should engage on than normal ig

Which slot are you the most suspicious of and which slot are you the most convinced is town?

Town. Lily.

Scum. Tilg but not really confidently.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:23 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:23 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:22 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:19 am @Neon do u have a current gamestate/poE rn? A brief list is fine

I posted a whole list for you I think

Oh mb, could u re-quote it uwu? I’m on my phone rn lol.

I’ll post a cool ow meme maybe if u do

I'm on mobile and at work but I'll try to find it

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:24 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:49 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:39 am Imma move ender to null-townie tbh

@Neon whats ur current gamestate looking like rn and did you respond to my earlier question of what do u think of santy rn as well as what ur thoughts where on my progression/vote on u?

Sorry, I’m not good with gif language lol

Well you'll never be able to read me than.

Allison - null. I like the start but haven't remembered much they've done since than. The start is really fakable. Reading me based on others reads on me is Intresting and certainly a different approach from how they treated me when they were scum but I'm not sure they'd do that again twice.

arogame123 fuck if I know. I'm gonna say null leaning scum but I'm not remotely confident

Belzy - null leaning town. Vibing with their content.

Chamomile - who?

dyachei - don't remember anything they've done

ilario - scum-ish this is based on a lot of other people saying things are weird and than them voting me after town reading me and not really explaining why. That feels to obvious... but I don't believe in twtbaw

Lilypetal - lock town never rescind. Yall skill issue for voting a 5 poster early in the game for not being here get gud

EnderWiggen - town based on micro things you'll call me dumb for and for the recent catch up.

MacDougall - leaning town. But I'm not even gonna attempt to broach Mac

Millium - scummy. But this is based heavily on what appears to be a difference of opinion so I should reeval.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - book nook

Neon - towniest town who ever towned

Porscha - I dunno what others see that I do not. But actually there is a weird thing pinging me about Porscha and I can't voice it because I dunno how to express it so null.

RondoDimBuckle - fuck if I know

santygrass - null. I'm scared to read Santy I was sure I caught Santy in mafia misplay and I wrote a whole ass case and he flipped town. So... like...I feel like the slot is weird but I did than to

Seanzie - fuck if I know

staypositivefriend - town side of null

Tilgarial - scum I just hate the lily vote and the sheer amount of following the leader and not saying much

@arogame123

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:24 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:22 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:18 am At some stage in this game you decided to stop being an uwu themed chaos goblin consciously. Why? @Neon

I'm still being moderately uwu chaos goblin right? I'm just like also solving and trying. I dunno why I can't give you a good reason... when I think I see something I talk about it otherwise I do neon things... I've actually felt like I've seen things more often this game that I should engage on than normal ig

Which slot are you the most suspicious of and which slot are you the most convinced is town?

Town. Lily.

Scum. Tilg but not really confidently.

Can you give me your absolute top tier best possible attempt at explaining both of these reads? Like I want you to push the boundaries of your potential as a solver here. Give me your absolute best. Persuade me that Lily is town, persuade me that Tilgarial is suspicious. We're in high school debate and your grades are on the line lol.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:22 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:18 am At some stage in this game you decided to stop being an uwu themed chaos goblin consciously. Why? @Neon

I'm still being moderately uwu chaos goblin right? I'm just like also solving and trying. I dunno why I can't give you a good reason... when I think I see something I talk about it otherwise I do neon things... I've actually felt like I've seen things more often this game that I should engage on than normal ig

Which slot are you the most suspicious of and which slot are you the most convinced is town?

Town. Lily.

Scum. Tilg but not really confidently.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 am @EnderWiggin are you still here?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:26 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:22 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:18 am At some stage in this game you decided to stop being an uwu themed chaos goblin consciously. Why? @Neon

I'm still being moderately uwu chaos goblin right? I'm just like also solving and trying. I dunno why I can't give you a good reason... when I think I see something I talk about it otherwise I do neon things... I've actually felt like I've seen things more often this game that I should engage on than normal ig

Which slot are you the most suspicious of and which slot are you the most convinced is town?

Town. Lily.

Scum. Tilg but not really confidently.

im your only town?

are u flirting with me

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:24 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:22 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:18 am At some stage in this game you decided to stop being an uwu themed chaos goblin consciously. Why? @Neon

I'm still being moderately uwu chaos goblin right? I'm just like also solving and trying. I dunno why I can't give you a good reason... when I think I see something I talk about it otherwise I do neon things... I've actually felt like I've seen things more often this game that I should engage on than normal ig

Which slot are you the most suspicious of and which slot are you the most convinced is town?

Town. Lily.

Scum. Tilg but not really confidently.

Can you give me your absolute top tier best possible attempt at explaining both of these reads? Like I want you to push the boundaries of your potential as a solver here. Give me your absolute best. Persuade me that Lily is town, persuade me that Tilgarial is suspicious. We're in high school debate and your grades are on the line lol.

You know I suck at that right... like I've always sucked at that

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:26 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:26 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:22 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:18 am At some stage in this game you decided to stop being an uwu themed chaos goblin consciously. Why? @Neon

I'm still being moderately uwu chaos goblin right? I'm just like also solving and trying. I dunno why I can't give you a good reason... when I think I see something I talk about it otherwise I do neon things... I've actually felt like I've seen things more often this game that I should engage on than normal ig

Which slot are you the most suspicious of and which slot are you the most convinced is town?

Town. Lily.

Scum. Tilg but not really confidently.

im your only town?

are u flirting with me

He asked for one.

But also yes.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 am @EnderWiggin are you still here?

Multi-tasking but yes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:28 am Hello @Lilypetal. How do you feel about the game atm?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:27 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 am @EnderWiggin are you still here?

Multi-tasking but yes.

Outside of that list i posted earlier, are there any slots in this game (aside from billboard mac) that you are absolutely convinced are town to a degree where if I had you as a green check I should just towncore them based on your read?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 amI'll try though

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:31 am hey uh who is wisp btw

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:31 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:31 am hey uh who is wisp btw

Mill!

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:27 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:26 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:26 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:22 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:18 am At some stage in this game you decided to stop being an uwu themed chaos goblin consciously. Why? @Neon

I'm still being moderately uwu chaos goblin right? I'm just like also solving and trying. I dunno why I can't give you a good reason... when I think I see something I talk about it otherwise I do neon things... I've actually felt like I've seen things more often this game that I should engage on than normal ig

Which slot are you the most suspicious of and which slot are you the most convinced is town?

Town. Lily.

Scum. Tilg but not really confidently.

im your only town?

are u flirting with me

He asked for one.

But also yes.

reading is not my strong suit

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:30 am [VOTE: santygrass] aubergine

awooooooooooooooooooooo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:07 am Experiment time

Aro
Belzy
Ender
Neon
Rondo

Are these all town?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:31 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 amI'll try though

Fuckkkk

Okay Lily in my experience does these little things where she comes off as pure inno child as town. They are trying to solve relaxed vibing. Bouncing off me and Porscha and others naturally. I think all the sus on lily was based on nothingness for no reason when she was at 5 posts and clearly not present and her reactions to that sus when she came back felt real and she saw things I thought I was seeing to with Aro especially.

Tilg I'm not really confident on I'm never confident on scum reads but their approach to the lily vote just screamed at me... I've got the feeling they've been attempting to fit in and not stand out like they are following the flow of others and not willing to make a read or push on their own and I generally don't think that town always try to stand with others and occasionally even if just one or two times will make an independent read or thought.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 am I was in the shower having a good old think and I think I have figured something out about Nanook and I am going to hard defend that slot

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:30 am [VOTE: santygrass] aubergine

awooooooooooooooooooooo

Ur vote and post aside, I want u to know pikachu that every time u post, I get super excited in the game and enjoy having convos/playing with u and just wanted u to know that hehe.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:33 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:31 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 amI'll try though

Fuckkkk

Okay Lily in my experience does these little things where she comes off as pure inno child as town. They are trying to solve relaxed vibing. Bouncing off me and Porscha and others naturally. I think all the sus on lily was based on nothingness for no reason when she was at 5 posts and clearly not present and her reactions to that sus when she came back felt real and she saw things I thought I was seeing to with Aro especially.

Tilg I'm not really confident on I'm never confident on scum reads but their approach to the lily vote just screamed at me... I've got the feeling they've been attempting to fit in and not stand out like they are following the flow of others and not willing to make a read or push on their own and I generally don't think that town always try to stand with others and occasionally even if just one or two times will make an independent read or thought.

shes just so obviously town it's not even funny

please copy paste this day 5 when we lose lylo to neon

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:33 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:31 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 amI'll try though

Fuckkkk

Okay Lily in my experience does these little things where she comes off as pure inno child as town. They are trying to solve relaxed vibing. Bouncing off me and Porscha and others naturally. I think all the sus on lily was based on nothingness for no reason when she was at 5 posts and clearly not present and her reactions to that sus when she came back felt real and she saw things I thought I was seeing to with Aro especially.

Tilg I'm not really confident on I'm never confident on scum reads but their approach to the lily vote just screamed at me... I've got the feeling they've been attempting to fit in and not stand out like they are following the flow of others and not willing to make a read or push on their own and I generally don't think that town always try to stand with others and occasionally even if just one or two times will make an independent read or thought.

shes just so obviously town it's not even funny

please copy paste this day 5 when we lose lylo to neon

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:30 am [VOTE: santygrass] aubergine

awooooooooooooooooooooo

Ur vote and post aside, I want u to know pikachu that every time u post, I get super excited in the game and enjoy having convos/playing with u and just wanted u to know that hehe.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:33 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:33 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:31 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 amI'll try though

Fuckkkk

Okay Lily in my experience does these little things where she comes off as pure inno child as town. They are trying to solve relaxed vibing. Bouncing off me and Porscha and others naturally. I think all the sus on lily was based on nothingness for no reason when she was at 5 posts and clearly not present and her reactions to that sus when she came back felt real and she saw things I thought I was seeing to with Aro especially.

Tilg I'm not really confident on I'm never confident on scum reads but their approach to the lily vote just screamed at me... I've got the feeling they've been attempting to fit in and not stand out like they are following the flow of others and not willing to make a read or push on their own and I generally don't think that town always try to stand with others and occasionally even if just one or two times will make an independent read or thought.

shes just so obviously town it's not even funny

please copy paste this day 5 when we lose lylo to neon

nah I agree Neon is probably town this time

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:34 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:30 am [VOTE: santygrass] aubergine

awooooooooooooooooooooo

Ur vote and post aside, I want u to know pikachu that every time u post, I get super excited in the game and enjoy having convos/playing with u and just wanted u to know that hehe.

u have to be the most sus man alive but like not necessarily in a derogatory way

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:34 am @EnderWiggin how do you feel about Lilypetal?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:07 am Experiment time

Aro
Belzy
Ender
Neon
Rondo

Are these all town?

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:49 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:24 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:41 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:34 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:31 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:27 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:25 pm

It's not bad play to chill in thread vibe and fuck around in a game. People take this game way to seriously. Porscha can win games but like I am just telling you your sus on her right now is predicated on a read that is bad from my pov.

I'm giving you meta which you don't have. Porscha can be wolf but this isn't why and is more likely town indicative in my world view.

ya except I'm not sussing her, and fine

True your sussing Rondo. Another person who does weird things as town lol.

Lmao, this is exactly what I mean
You defend bad play

I've watched Rondo single handedly solve a game that town was going to lose

So. No.

I've also watched Rondo post only in Hot Fuzz gifs.

Is someone who can single handedly solve a game that town is going to lose a bad player because they do weird things?

I am still low key mad I got night killed while posting only gifs

[VOTE: ilario ] aubergine

It was at least partially because I was terrified of you after King of the Hill so you should be happy lol

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:33 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:33 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:31 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 amI'll try though

Fuckkkk

Okay Lily in my experience does these little things where she comes off as pure inno child as town. They are trying to solve relaxed vibing. Bouncing off me and Porscha and others naturally. I think all the sus on lily was based on nothingness for no reason when she was at 5 posts and clearly not present and her reactions to that sus when she came back felt real and she saw things I thought I was seeing to with Aro especially.

Tilg I'm not really confident on I'm never confident on scum reads but their approach to the lily vote just screamed at me... I've got the feeling they've been attempting to fit in and not stand out like they are following the flow of others and not willing to make a read or push on their own and I generally don't think that town always try to stand with others and occasionally even if just one or two times will make an independent read or thought.

shes just so obviously town it's not even funny

please copy paste this day 5 when we lose lylo to neon

nah I agree Neon is probably town this time

Can I ask why? Or is that a dumb thing to do lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:36 am actually i townread neon more confidently than neon but it doesnt matter

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:07 am Experiment time

Aro
Belzy
Ender
Neon
Rondo

Are these all town?

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this?

hm

the name in that list that immediately stands out to me as having the highest chance of being mafia is belzy. this is because it appears to me that this entire playerlist has collectively cleared belzy off of Good Vibes and Sounding Pure (to my understanding anyway), and i think that type of reasoning makes belzy particularly likely to be the deepwolf out of all the potential deepwolves in your list

agreed that rondo and neon and ender are town roughly in that order. i was POE'ing ender but am being influenced/agreeing with the recent consensus that his posts have been an improvement. read on aro is REDACTED until further notice

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:05 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:15 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:41 am

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:33 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:28 am Well I already explained the first question

The aro read exists because it felt like he didn’t know how to naturally open into the thread so he defaulted into asking that question to ease himself in. Some of the explanations to his reads and the process behind it has felt reachy and he’s felt overly-explainey at times

Mac already did it, not you explain to me why Rondo is town
do we at least agree with Sean?
I dont feel like back reading and i want to go to sleep

rondo felt town because his response to alisons pressure wasnt overly panicky. his tone in general seems calm/at ease. i dont have much of a read on sean, if people want him then then i have no issue with that atm

Hello, this is the Rondo police telling you that Rondo is not going to panic under pressure and that's a bad read.

Enders entrance and subsequent posts have been very... Ender so far. But I like this post

What does "Very Ender" mean?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:07 am Experiment time

Aro
Belzy
Ender
Neon
Rondo

Are these all town?

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this?

hm

the name in that list that immediately stands out to me as having the highest chance of being mafia is belzy. this is because it appears to me that this entire playerlist has collectively cleared belzy off of Good Vibes and Sounding Pure (to my understanding anyway), and i think that type of reasoning makes belzy particularly likely to be the deepwolf out of all the potential deepwolves in your list

agreed that rondo and neon and ender are town roughly in that order. i was POE'ing ender but am being influenced/agreeing with the recent consensus that his posts have been an improvement. read on aro is REDACTED until further notice

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:56 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:39 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:22 am @ilario , let's assume 5 combined mafia/3p.

Leaves at least 13 town and with 18 without vig shots or anything, we have 8 kills. So a 10 towncore would do.

My towns that I have rn (different confidences) are Aro, Mac, Illario, SPF, Nanook, Wisp, Ender, Rondo.

Any thoughts on that list so far and do you have any opnions on anyone else that I don't have in there? I want to dominate this game hehe.

hmmm id defs have alison in there, in all honesty shes the only read i feel good about.

whilst i agree spf,nook,ender,rondo for me personally have shown signs of towniness + belsy as well i dont feel like any of those names has done anytihing lock worthy. also imo its better to wait to form towncores until everyones posted to avoid bias

I like this post, I prefer to wait till we have some flips too but yeah

Actually wait how did you get from "SPF/Ender towny" to "I'll vote SPF/Ender today"?