The Syndicate

Have a moment to share a thought ive been thinking. What if I have a +1 against me for breaking the rules? Did anyone else with a +1 break a rule?

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:08 pm I mean we don't technically have to consolidate Right Now, but we do need to do it and no time like the present. Bereft was already the spiritual vote, I think that was going unspoken, but I keep on learning that things I think are obvious and going unspoken do in fact need to be spoken.

I do not agree to the bereft vote. Schweppes is a terrible day 1.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:11 pm dang and I really like Bereft's play in this game

play ≠ substance for the record

I'm just a sucker for putting on airs

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Nah dog this doesn't pass the vibe check at all. Like I kind of townread you til now but this is egregious.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:53 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:36 pm I've caught up and retained almost nothing I read this is bad


But I'm starting to think Dyslexicon might actually be town lol

I don't buy that Dyslexicon is incapable of making that long post as mafia. It was perhaps slightly towny, so I buy you placing too much emphasis on it though.

Can you elaborate on what you found "slightly towny"?

Effort level. The Gira read was okay. Their treatment of you lacked agenda.

If you find that post "slightly towny", why are you still voting for Dyslexicon?

I voted for Dyslexicon when I made my initial read.

They made a slightly towny post.

Dyslexicon as mafia is capable of slightly towny posts.

They otherwise have not yet moved the needle enough for me to move the vote.

If you had to move off of Dyslexicon, who would you vote?

And you now have your answer.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:20 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:11 pm dang and I really like Bereft's play in this game

play ≠ substance for the record

I'm just a sucker for putting on airs

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Nah dog this doesn't pass the vibe check at all. Like I kind of townread you til now but this is egregious.

okay

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:19 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:08 pm I mean we don't technically have to consolidate Right Now, but we do need to do it and no time like the present. Bereft was already the spiritual vote, I think that was going unspoken, but I keep on learning that things I think are obvious and going unspoken do in fact need to be spoken.

I do not agree to the bereft vote. Schweppes is a terrible day 1.

Terrible?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:16 am Have a moment to share a thought ive been thinking. What if I have a +1 against me for breaking the rules? Did anyone else with a +1 break a rule?

Abby considered self-voting but didn't go through with it. If we were getting votes for breaking rules, I'm pretty sure I'd have one now.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:16 am Have a moment to share a thought ive been thinking. What if I have a +1 against me for breaking the rules? Did anyone else with a +1 break a rule?

what rule did you break?

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:53 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:13 pm @MacDougall Can you explain like I'm 5 how you think Robyn has not been towny?

In Robyn I do not see someone who has an agenda to solve the mafia game, but I see someone who has an agenda to appear like they are town and mostly just charm people.

The feeling I get from town Robyn is usually one that is more anxious and concerned with figuring out what everyone is up to. Town Robyn by process ends up getting overtly emotional and irritated.

Mafia Robyn has more emotional control over themselves, and they often end up one step ahead of everyone. They are particularly good at pocketing people by saying specific things that are designed to achieve that goal. For instance Robyn is aware that I have a predisposition for townreading people for lack of TMI and pushing me. Robyn threatened to scumread me earlier for daring to suspect them. But then they didn't, and chose to give me space instead.

I can sense in all of our interactions that Robyn is largely holding their breath and just trying to avoid having me outright bury them. Since I started posting all that Robyn has really done is crack jokes and react.

i am town, mafia is not obvious here. other people are making content and leetic is badgering people. i am trying to figure out where i went wrong because i currently townread everyone... which is also why my reads are worthless as of now

i am not anxious of you figuring out my alignment, if you did that would be good. specifically i am anxious of being pushed by you, i'm anxious of getting pushed by everyone really

if i had to make reads i would list gira at the bottom, but i also don't know how much i believe this

and i really don't qant to chop schweppes here anymore because if it comes down to me/him at eod this day won't end well

everything is a mess and i don't know what to fucking do

It's difficult for me to take this seriously when I wrote this in the post you are quoting...

"Town Robyn by process ends up getting overtly emotional and irritated."

Like ... I don't know whether to presume that like clockwork you're just evidencing your town self or whether you are just taking advantage of the meta I've presented and trying to garner the townread. So I have no real choice but to just disregard it.

And you've asked me no real questions here, you've just made a series of statements that I have mixed feelings about.

Gira seems exceedingly obvious town to me, and having him your highest suspect (or lowest town) doesn't seem plausible.

I agree that chopping Schweppes is not appropriate but I also note that one of my other wolfreads TSP has the same opinion, so while it'd be reasonable to give you points for mind melding with me on this, all it's really doing is making me question whether Bereft is actually a wolf given Ran and WWA are my top town and are the only ones voting there.

And I'll end by saying that being chopped isn't the world's worst outcome, the day has some time yet to go and crumbling whether you are mafia or town is not necessary. Yank your socks up and play the game with us, try to keep the ATE to a min cuz I'm not going to respond to it and you know that I know even if you aren't faking it, you can just switch it off immediately, so do.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:19 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:08 pm I mean we don't technically have to consolidate Right Now, but we do need to do it and no time like the present. Bereft was already the spiritual vote, I think that was going unspoken, but I keep on learning that things I think are obvious and going unspoken do in fact need to be spoken.

I do not agree to the bereft vote. Schweppes is a terrible day 1.

Terrible?

Yes Schweppes in particular is a bad idea to be chopping day 1. He's an easy target when he gets into this mode, there is a towniness underneath the surface if you bother trying to read into what he's been saying and he gets better as the game goes on. If he's mafia his team are already positioned to extract max value from his demise, if he's town the mafia are already dining out on the clout from it. It's not my spiritual vote and shouldn't be anybody's.

The reasons that you might want to eliminate Bereft are well within his range as town, there is nothing wolf alignment indicative about him yet. He's at best null, and to me, slightly townie.

Brb got a meeting.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:12 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:02 am Am I still getting voted

wdym

I was like top wagon but I'm too drunk to check

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:11 pm Ftr if Abigail is Neon I’m keeping the vote

Fake and you're outed

Hot

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:25 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:16 am Have a moment to share a thought ive been thinking. What if I have a +1 against me for breaking the rules? Did anyone else with a +1 break a rule?

Abby considered self-voting but didn't go through with it. If we were getting votes for breaking rules, I'm pretty sure I'd have one now.

I'd do it if I could

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:30 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:19 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:08 pm I mean we don't technically have to consolidate Right Now, but we do need to do it and no time like the present. Bereft was already the spiritual vote, I think that was going unspoken, but I keep on learning that things I think are obvious and going unspoken do in fact need to be spoken.

I do not agree to the bereft vote. Schweppes is a terrible day 1.

Terrible?

Yes Schweppes in particular is a bad idea to be chopping day 1. He's an easy target when he gets into this mode, there is a towniness underneath the surface if you bother trying to read into what he's been saying and he gets better as the game goes on. If he's mafia his team are already positioned to extract max value from his demise, if he's town the mafia are already dining out on the clout from it. It's not my spiritual vote and shouldn't be anybody's.

The reasons that you might want to eliminate Bereft are well within his range as town, there is nothing wolf alignment indicative about him yet. He's at best null, and to me, slightly townie.

Well, that ain't what you said about him last night, and his content hasn't changed at all. (And yes I read in.) So the difference here is that you didn't know Bereft was Schweppes. So this is a "doing nothing is within their townrange" meta read and... i am really not a fan of those, i actually think those are wrong more often than not...

On the other hand.

[VOTE: Robyn] aubergine

@robyn You. Come back. Explain.

Not just that, but if you check my progression since then I have actually observed Bereft making abstract reads but they are real.

Also my initial read of Bereft wasn't "is naked mafia and we should just default to them".

And yes discovering that it was Schweppes changes how I feel about their intentionally weird behaviour. Why wouldn't it?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:39 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:12 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:02 am Am I still getting voted

wdym

I was like top wagon but I'm too drunk to check

ill take your word for it

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:54 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:39 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:12 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:02 am Am I still getting voted

wdym

I was like top wagon but I'm too drunk to check

ill take your word for it

I will assume this means I'll not anymore

Abigail, what are your vibes on Robyn?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:04 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:07 pm If we are going to roll the dice better to do it on Abigail imo

I don't really think you can say that Ran and Robyn are self resolving and then say this is a better chop. Also I am townreading Abigail, why are you sheeping me townreading Gira but ignoring my townread on Abigail?

I didn’t know that slash am fickle slash have had independent developments in where I’d like to position my vote which I will blame on you

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:45 am @robyn You. Come back. Explain.

mac's incorrectly reading me, and incorrectly thinking that 1) i care to post anymore 2) if i did i could not ate while doing so

nothing to explain

cya d2

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:04 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:07 pm If we are going to roll the dice better to do it on Abigail imo

I don't really think you can say that Ran and Robyn are self resolving and then say this is a better chop. Also I am townreading Abigail, why are you sheeping me townreading Gira but ignoring my townread on Abigail?

Why are you poking the proverbial bear (is a question it’s too late to ask)?

By which I mean — given what I see as relatively true that Dizzy and the Ran/Robyn pair are susceptible to become solved through NKA, and as potential town they are (at least possibly) huge assets, why do you seem so eager to upset that?

The answer is, unlike me, you actually have to fear being killed on night 1 and therefore can’t hold concerns to voice later

But like really I just don’t understand what you’re doing

Meanwhile I’m wavering between voting for the two people I assume are the two highest posters

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:08 am But like really I just don’t understand what you’re doing

Meanwhile I’m wavering between voting for the two people I assume are the two highest posters

So me and Abby?

Huh WWA is like fourth

No Leetic you’re doing fine

I remembered Neon’s play being qualitatively different from what I’m seeing here in the only game I remember playing with them but they were a wolf in hot dog and so that reason is faltering

I still think that’s a good spot to look

Also I need Gira alive to keep me sane on day 4

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:15 am I remembered Neon’s play being qualitatively different from what I’m seeing here in the only game I remember playing with them but they were a wolf in hot dog and so that reason is faltering

I still think that’s a good spot to look

And what don't you like about Windward?

Doesn’t seem towny on sniff test, bad thread position for town, good thread position for wolf, little attempt made to move game in forward direction (that’s towny for some people I don’t know them that well)

Also I got the vibe I should expect them to be top poster / low impact archetype and they’re not top posting which is throwing me somewhat

Someone ought to point out the reverse applies to Abigail but I don’t think of Abigail/Neon as top poster low impact

Time for my regular “it’s day 1 and Mac is suspecting me I will tinfoil for 30 seconds and then remember Mac always tries to pocket me as a wolf because I’ll do what he says”

Ok Abigail is probably town

Well theb

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:04 am Abigail, what are your vibes on Robyn?

I'm voning robyn town tbh

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:15 am I remembered Neon’s play being qualitatively different from what I’m seeing here in the only game I remember playing with them but they were a wolf in hot dog and so that reason is faltering

I still think that’s a good spot to look

Explain what's diff

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:36 am Ok Abigail is probably town

What changed

- I don't know what I think about Robyn anymore. The things mac says are true or seem true. I have been disappointed in Robyn not really doing anything since we 'masoned' except going after Gira and Bereft. I don't know why their response to mac's pressure (in my eyes still only a moderate push, I've seen stronger from him) is so disproportionate. I don't know why they outed schweppes and insomnia's alts and I'd really like to understand that. I don't know why they think they survive to d2 now after going "smell ya later". I think mac is very town but if mac is right then robyn has pocketed me and what if mac is the one pocketing me.

- I want @pyxxy to post more. I'm not sure what I want them to post about. Literally anything, anyone. Come talk to me.

- TSP is a player who exists in this game.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:38 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:15 am I remembered Neon’s play being qualitatively different from what I’m seeing here in the only game I remember playing with them but they were a wolf in hot dog and so that reason is faltering

I still think that’s a good spot to look

Explain what's diff

You had an edge about you in hot dog that you lack here, more game content and AtE (which granted, not allowed here)

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:39 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:36 am Ok Abigail is probably town

What changed

I made the archetype read on WWA and then felt stupid

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:41 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:38 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:15 am I remembered Neon’s play being qualitatively different from what I’m seeing here in the only game I remember playing with them but they were a wolf in hot dog and so that reason is faltering

I still think that’s a good spot to look

Explain what's diff

You had an edge about you in hot dog that you lack here, more game content and AtE (which granted, not allowed here)

AtE bit being allowed had never stopped me before

I am townd though

@Bereft You too Schweppedoodle. I liked your active posts in SCI, I like the RP, I don't like you posting one riddle a day, if you're town please come tell us where your head is at. Who be the mafia?

When I finally snap out of it, I feel even sicker. I don't know if its the tabasco. I don't- out of the corner of my eye I think I see a shadow outside.

Time is running out, faster than I'd like to admit. I feel like I've already dodged multiple bullets.

I do the only thing I think can give answers, and maybe a way out.

*intermission*

I lay out everything of interest on the wooden table.

I remove the brick and cigarette immediately, not it. I turn towards to the locked box with her things in it. I can imagine her screaming rn, yelling, bemoaning. Try as I might, I cannot blame her for everything. Things had always been like this as far as my memory serves me.

I then look at the compass. Its pointing to her box. That's not right, its not her. I stare at the compass, willing it to point a different direction. The compass is reliable, it points North, but its pointing in the wrong direction and its frustrating.

ok! I am home and now have an hour before I have to leave and do things

oh I forgot [VOTE: Leetic ] aubergine

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:26 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:16 am Have a moment to share a thought ive been thinking. What if I have a +1 against me for breaking the rules? Did anyone else with a +1 break a rule?

what rule did you break?

self voted

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:07 am When I finally snap out of it, I feel even sicker. I don't know if its the tabasco. I don't- out of the corner of my eye I think I see a shadow outside.

Time is running out, faster than I'd like to admit. I feel like I've already dodged multiple bullets.

I do the only thing I think can give answers, and maybe a way out.

*intermission*

I lay out everything of interest on the wooden table.

I remove the brick and cigarette immediately, not it. I turn towards to the locked box with her things in it. I can imagine her screaming rn, yelling, bemoaning. Try as I might, I cannot blame her for everything. Things had always been like this as far as my memory serves me.

I then look at the compass. Its pointing to her box. That's not right, its not her. I stare at the compass, willing it to point a different direction. The compass is reliable, it points North, but its pointing in the wrong direction and its frustrating.

What brand is the cigarette? What color the brick?

I put the compass to the side now and turn to the toy sword. Playful maybe, but when extricating it from its place, it nearly stabbed me. Its so childish, too childish. And why would it look like a sword? Too naked and obvious. Not that I'd ever trust it around me again.

By far the largest thing on the wooden table is the metal plate. I don't even know what its supposed to be a part of. I can't make heads or tails. I move on.

I turn to the carton of orange juice. Already I'm regretting my decision to do something. Why did I even take it out of the fridge? I take a sniff of whats inside. It gives off absolutely nothing. I sigh. I move on.

There's a doll. I move it off the table. I've learned my lesson about kewpie dolls.

Bath ducky? I hurl it off the table. It was that compass again, pointing out all of the wrong things. The bath ducky that refused to make any squeaky noses was the least of my problems.

The empty tabasco bottle glares at me. I glare back.

I stop, getting rather tired of all and look back to take stock.
At this point, theres only a stuffed animal, the tabasco bottle, the metal plate, the carton of orange juice, the toy sword, and ... the disco ball.

I still want to smash the disco ball. To smithereens.

Somehow I will need to take a more detailed look at things thats not just taking a metaphysical divining rod to everything.

~ Bereft

Marlboro, ofc. Red brick, ofc. ~ not Bereft