Re: [DAY 9] Harry Potter Mafia
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:14 am
wow that is a pretty damn good case holy shit
I agree with this post. My real wait a minute moment was that more people are mentioning Karin's name, just as I was starting to feel better about her.Jane Southworth wrote:RIP Merga. I was hoping we wouldn't lose you
Barbara, Jennet, have either of you even read the thread since you died? Its honestly way too early and frankly there are other things going on right now. In addition I'm really starting to get worried about how lynches are being manipulated and then you cast quick votes on yet another low poster. Why Karin and why now? I have my own suspicions about Karin but this comes literally out of nowhere, and at a very strange time in the game.
Do either of you know why you were returned to us? Barbara, do you know how or why you died? All we were told was "non-magical causes". What do both of you think of Alizon and Malin?
Do you think it is? Barbara only said some of the same things others have mentioned earlier about Karin (that she only talked about the teachers at the beginning of the game). Then Barbara used Karin's vote for Mary against her. All of Karin's votes have seemed out of the blue and not something she brings up beforehand. Her vote for Mary is no different from her votes earlier or later in the game. But Barbara turned that vote around on her when I see nothing suspicious about that vote. When Barbara "had a look" at Karin, she ignored most of Karin's more recent contributions where she seems to be paying attention more and posting more. Barbara opts instead to count Karin's total posts and average them out, basically just saying that she's been a low poster for most of the game.Anne Redferne wrote:wow that is a pretty damn good case holy shit
Jane Southworth wrote:Do you think it is? Barbara only said some of the same things others have mentioned earlier about Karin (that she only talked about the teachers at the beginning of the game). Then Barbara used Karin's vote for Mary against her. All of Karin's votes have seemed out of the blue and not something she brings up beforehand. Her vote for Mary is no different from her votes earlier or later in the game. But Barbara turned that vote around on her when I see nothing suspicious about that vote. When Barbara "had a look" at Karin, she ignored most of Karin's more recent contributions where she seems to be paying attention more and posting more. Barbara opts instead to count Karin's total posts and average them out, basically just saying that she's been a low poster for most of the game.Anne Redferne wrote:wow that is a pretty damn good case holy shit
I agree with you Katharina. I'm thinking that all might not be as it appears with the rezzes this game.
your quick agreement with this case worries me. It feels a bit like you taking crumbs from the hand that feeds you.Anne Redferne wrote:wow that is a pretty damn good case holy shit
why is it one way or the other? maybe what she is saying is exactly what she's saying. She saved one or both of them?Märet Jonsdotter wrote:I know what role you are hinting at.Alizon Device wrote:I know you don't like being toyed with, but I'm not your enemy if you are a student.Märet Jonsdotter wrote:Please, bless me with your wisdom, Sherlock.Alizon Device wrote:
a) false. I said I didn't like the margin.
b) false. I have no info on anyone.
c) false. I have no teammate. I DO have a vested interest in Malin living, and that's because she's the only person voting with me and believing me.
If you're civ, please re-read the roles. This is so elementary it's painful.
I thought you were hinting at that you saved Malin. If you're going to be pompous, I'm going to be blunt.
I saved Malin. Or myself. As I said, I didn't like the margins. Please, again, read the roles.
If everything you're telling me is "true", then I can come to the conclusion that you're lying. It's that simple.
You either feel confident enough to say Malin is civilian or you are lying.
Is it? Let's see.Anne Redferne wrote:wow that is a pretty damn good case holy shit
I've gotten holy hell for wanting to look at low contributors. But I'm still willing to look:Barbara Kollerin wrote:Sure, let's look at you.Karin Svensdotter wrote:
Please post specific quotes that pinged you as you reread me and why they pinged you. Your suspicions seem to come out of nowhere.
@Jennet, same to you.
I'm usually the type of player to gives up when I am thought to be baddie and players are trying to lynch me. I am DONE being that player. If I am going to go, I am gonna go a kickin' and a screamin'. Y'all ain't got nuttin' on me
Firstly, it is Day 9 and you only have 26 posts. That's less than 3 a day. Quiet after a few days in the game is one thing. Less than 3 posts a day for 9 days? Red flags go up. That's called coasting.
This is misleading. Karin speculated, as many people Day 2 were doing. She didn't try to "paint" anyone any way. Read back from here.Barbara Kollerin wrote:Second, you shared Mary Eastey's instant mistrust of the teachers. Like Mary, you tried to paint the teachers as baddies until the hosts confirmed they are indies.
This is flat out wrong and misleading.Barbara Kollerin wrote:Third, your voting record. You voted late for Mary Eastey, well after the point where anything could have been done to save her, so your vote falls into the "teams throwing in the towel" section.
Fourth, not only does your vote smell, but this was the only post you had ever made mentioning Mary up to that point:
You never mentioned her, even in passing, and then jumped onto the bandwagon when the lynch was inevitable. In fact, a search of your posts only uncovers the word Mary three times, and two of those were in someone else's quote box in your post. You avoided talking about Mary like the plague. That post above is literally the only time you ever mentioned her, and you voted for her?!Karin Svensdotter wrote:Mary's got my vote.
I think Karin is wrong to suspect Maret, but I don't think she's bad for it.Barbara Kollerin wrote:And finally, you put an eyeball on Maret even as you admitted that she survived a Death Eater NK.
You know what doesn't sound good about you?Barbara Kollerin wrote:None of this, NONE OF THIS, is a civ. You are so bad it hurts.
First, I'm busy IRL. I have two full time jobs (so to speak) and in the beginning of this game I was in THREE Mafia games. Since your passing, I have contributed a lot. I am in only one Mafia game (which is what I prefer).Barbara Kollerin wrote:Sure, let's look at you.Karin Svensdotter wrote:
Please post specific quotes that pinged you as you reread me and why they pinged you. Your suspicions seem to come out of nowhere.
@Jennet, same to you.
I'm usually the type of player to gives up when I am thought to be baddie and players are trying to lynch me. I am DONE being that player. If I am going to go, I am gonna go a kickin' and a screamin'. Y'all ain't got nuttin' on me
Firstly, it is Day 9 and you only have 26 posts. That's less than 3 a day. Quiet after a few days in the game is one thing. Less than 3 posts a day for 9 days? Red flags go up. That's called coasting.
Second, you shared Mary Eastey's instant mistrust of the teachers. Like Mary, you tried to paint the teachers as baddies until the hosts confirmed they are indies.
Karin Svensdotter wrote:I think it is safest to assume that The Teachers are a separate unfriendly group with their own win conditions. I would really like to know if they have BTSC.Third, your voting record. You voted late for Mary Eastey, well after the point where anything could have been done to save her, so your vote falls into the "teams throwing in the towel" section.Karin Svensdotter wrote:
I didn't read anything about the teachers not having a kill. What makes you assume this?
Fourth, not only does your vote smell, but this was the only post you had ever made mentioning Mary up to that point:
You never mentioned her, even in passing, and then jumped onto the bandwagon when the lynch was inevitable. In fact, a search of your posts only uncovers the word Mary three times, and two of those were in someone else's quote box in your post. You avoided talking about Mary like the plague. That post above is literally the only time you ever mentioned her, and you voted for her?!Karin Svensdotter wrote:Mary's got my vote.
And finally, you put an eyeball on Maret even as you admitted that she survived a Death Eater NK.
None of this, NONE OF THIS, is a civ. You are so bad it hurts.
Unsatisfactory Sandwich parenchyma and HannaK felt premonstration good about this thing daguerreotype. Uninhibited resurrection disguise.Alizon Device wrote:Is it weird that after three days of Alizon / Malin votes, Karin is the most suspicious from both the resurrected? And no reasons were given?
That's also how I read that post.Jennet Bierley wrote:Ok, so you're telling us you're a Death Eater, but we just can't prove it?Karin Svensdotter wrote:Please post specific quotes that pinged you as you reread me and why they pinged you. Your suspicions seem to come out of nowhere.Barbara Kollerin wrote:I have to agree about Karin, a readback just reads as bad to me.
@Jennet, same to you.
I'm usually the type of player to gives up when I am thought to be baddie and players are trying to lynch me. I am DONE being that player. If I am going to go, I am gonna go a kickin' and a screamin'. Y'all ain't got nuttin' on me
The Sorcerer's Stone gives an Elixir of Life that means you live forever. It does not mean that you cannot die or bring people back from the dead.Katharina Henot wrote:I'm trying to think of how game mechanics and lore could meet. So please correct me if I'm wrong. I gifted all of my Harry Potter books to my nephews when I left them so I'm going from memory here.
Isn't the Sorcerer's Stone the same as the Resurrection stone? So the same thing that *extended life* was the same thing that could bring back the dead?
Also - in the later books when they were talking about the resurrection stone, didn't several people try to bring someone back from the dead and the were epic failures of their former selves? It was just wrong and bad?
also also - in the books - the one time Harry was able to call forth the dead was when Cedric died. When his wand touched voldies and all the dead came back around and formed the protective circle. (Game mechanics wise, I'm wondering if this wasn't the "gift" from our hosts in Agnes's rez. I hope I'm not right here as I hope we haven't lost Cedric yet.)
If this is the case, the only person who could use the rez stone and not have wonky shite happen would be Harry as he was the only person to use the stone to understand that he was talking to people to help him prepare for death.I hope that's not the way it goes, but I'm worried with the quick votes from our recently alive witches.
I think we should listen to what our rezzed players have to say - but make our own decisions on this.
I feel like I'm missing something here.Katharina Henot wrote:
why is it one way or the other? maybe what she is saying is exactly what she's saying. She saved one or both of them?
I feel pretty good in light of this last cycle that Malin is most likely civ. I understand why Alizon might have done what she did.
I really think she is telling the truth here.
I'm not complaining, but what has redeemed me, so to speak?Karin Svensdotter wrote:
Finally, Yes, I put an eye on Maret even though she survived a NK. Don't you think baddie teams ever target within their group for distancing purposes? Her other behavior was suspicious to me. But I believe I have said since then that she has redeemed herself in my eyes.
bleag missed plainspoken martinet resurrected friends, TitanAlizon Device wrote:Color the ones you think should be lynched with red the ones you're nervous about with yellow and those who are good with green. Not sure? Leave it alone.
Merga Bien
Alizon Device
Sarah Good
Katharina Henot
Märet Jonsdotter
Malin Matsdotter
Alice Nutter
Anne Redferne
Jane Southworth
Karin Svensdotter
Anne Whittle
Typhoony more firstclass pitapatAlizon Device wrote:I just copied my old post, Malin. Here are two more names for you to color (or not):
Jennet Bierley
Barbara Kollerin
What disappoints me most is that I had hoped Jennet would come back with a fresh perspective and share her ideas with us. She seemed very sensible before. But instead of talking to us, she voted Karin and only alluded to reasons she expressed pre-mortem.Malin Matsdotter wrote:Typhoony more firstclass pitapatAlizon Device wrote:I just copied my old post, Malin. Here are two more names for you to color (or not):
Jennet Bierley
Barbara Kollerin
Jennet Bierley wrote:Anyway, Agnes died on Night 1 yet she has more posts than these players below even though it is now Day 4. Alizon and Anne are exceptions because they've been replaced, but that leaves seven more players with fewer than 12 posts.
Merga Bien, Alizon Device, Sarah Good, Kael Merrie, Alice Nutter, Margaret Pearson, Karin Svensdotter, Anne Whittle, and Britta Zippel
Summary~ Karin is a low poster.Jennet Bierley wrote:It's Day 4, so I was going ahead and placing a target on those players that aren't offering much (also to gauge reactions). Here's my active player list as well (Players with 20+ posts to this point). I'm going to copy the color coded idea from someone else.
I fail to see why this is significant. First, Karin said "sticking with," implying she voted Krystyna previously. I checked. She did. Day 2. You know who else voted Krystyna day 2 (and last)? Jennet. So I don't know why Jennet would criticize someone for putting a last vote on a civ when she did the same thing.Jennet Bierley wrote:Another little thing I noticed was Karin's vote. She popped in right at the end of Day 3 to add a vote to Krystyna who was ultimately lynched (after the switch) and flipped good. She offered no reason for her vote, and that vote was her only post of the day.
Karin Svensdotter wrote:I am sticking with Krystyna.
Krystyna Ceynowa
4
Anne Redferne (14), Karin Svensdotter (15), Jane Southworth (20), Jennet Bierley (22)
18%
Second, Jennet criticizes Karin for not giving an explanation for her vote. Again, "sticking with" implies that she had a reason. Karin was in agreement with Anne Redferne. The lynch Anne didn't feel good about was Bridget Bishop's on Day 2~Krystyna Ceynowa
6
Märet Jonsdotter (2), Entjen Gillis (6), Sarah Good (10), Alizon Device (11), Jane Southworth (17), Karin Svensdotter (21)
27%
Karin also expressed an uneasiness for the Bridget Bishop Bandwagon (dibs on the name "The Bridget Bishop Band!"Anne Redferne wrote:I don't feel good about this lynch at all... There are way too many easy votes coming in for Bridget. I'm voting for Krystyna Ceynowa, I think her reason for voting Bridget make the least sense and stick out to me as just making up reasons. If Bridget were a puppet why would that make her worthy of a vote?
Jennet Bierley wrote:I can agree with you about Karin. I think I made a comment about her a little while back (Day 4 I believe) in that she has done nothing but vote. Though it seems to me that she is not the only one who's been quiet today.
That simply wasn't the case, and still isn't!Jennet Bierley wrote:And not only has she just voted, but they've consistently been bandwagon votes.
Like I said before, I've not really followed the game thread since I died, so yes and know.Jane Southworth wrote:RIP Merga. I was hoping we wouldn't lose you
Barbara, Jennet, have either of you even read the thread since you died? Its honestly way too early and frankly there are other things going on right now. In addition I'm really starting to get worried about how lynches are being manipulated and then you cast quick votes on yet another low poster. Why Karin and why now? I have my own suspicions about Karin but this comes literally out of nowhere, and at a very strange time in the game.
Do either of you know why you were returned to us? Barbara, do you know how or why you died? All we were told was "non-magical causes". What do both of you think of Alizon and Malin?
I did the exact same thing against Mary. I voted as soon as the day began with a mediocre case and not only did Mary crack, but pretty much everyone followed suit leading to the the most unanimous lynch of the game. Not only did Mary flip as a Death Eater, but I was immediately killed by Voldemort the next night. I believe that it's not only because I focused on getting Mary lynched, but because Karin was my other suspect at the time. I was going to focus on her the next day, but I wasn't around to do so.Alizon Device wrote:What disappoints me most is that I had hoped Jennet would come back with a fresh perspective and share her ideas with us. She seemed very sensible before. But instead of talking to us, she voted Karin and only alluded to reasons she expressed pre-mortem.Malin Matsdotter wrote:Typhoony more firstclass pitapatAlizon Device wrote:I just copied my old post, Malin. Here are two more names for you to color (or not):
Jennet Bierley
Barbara Kollerin![]()
See, that's that "gambler's fallacy" thing I got in trouble for talking about before.Jennet Bierley wrote:I did the exact same thing against Mary. I voted as soon as the day began with a mediocre case and not only did Mary crack, but pretty much everyone followed suit leading to the the most unanimous lynch of the game. Not only did Mary flip as a Death Eater, but I was immediately killed by Voldemort the next night. I believe that it's not only because I focused on getting Mary lynched, but because Karin was my other suspect at the time. I was going to focus on her the next day, but I wasn't around to do so.Alizon Device wrote:What disappoints me most is that I had hoped Jennet would come back with a fresh perspective and share her ideas with us. She seemed very sensible before. But instead of talking to us, she voted Karin and only alluded to reasons she expressed pre-mortem.Malin Matsdotter wrote:Typhoony more firstclass pitapatAlizon Device wrote:I just copied my old post, Malin. Here are two more names for you to color (or not):
Jennet Bierley
Barbara Kollerin![]()
crundles Bubbles admit to Map Achilles early surveying without Diamond Dog fellows trish you are talking about?Jennet Bierley wrote:Like I said before, I've not really followed the game thread since I died, so yes and know.Jane Southworth wrote:RIP Merga. I was hoping we wouldn't lose you
Barbara, Jennet, have either of you even read the thread since you died? Its honestly way too early and frankly there are other things going on right now. In addition I'm really starting to get worried about how lynches are being manipulated and then you cast quick votes on yet another low poster. Why Karin and why now? I have my own suspicions about Karin but this comes literally out of nowhere, and at a very strange time in the game.
Do either of you know why you were returned to us? Barbara, do you know how or why you died? All we were told was "non-magical causes". What do both of you think of Alizon and Malin?
Also, yes it may seem like my vote came out of nowhere, because well, I was dead until today.
Then when they come back and Barbara makes a very strong case against Karin and she discounts everything they say.Alizon Device wrote:I hope after today, the class will wake up and study much harder.
We will have a guest speaker, hopefully here at Hogwartz for some time, and I am rather interested in hearing what she has to say.
Alizon Device wrote:Is it weird that after three days of Alizon / Malin votes, Karin is the most suspicious from both the resurrected? And no reasons were given?
Alizon Device wrote:Pop quiz, class!
1. You are Mary's teammate. But lately, Mary's started bugging out in the thread. Whether it is because you and your team advised her to do this or not, others cannot say. What do you do?
a) Vote early for Mary for civvie credit
b) Vote late for Mary for civvie credit
c) Try to get someone else lynched
d) Vote 7th for Mary to "throw in the towel"
2. You are Mary's teammate. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, you missed the day 1 vote, the one which is arguably the easiest for you and your team to blend in. Because of this, you have incurred a penalty. For some reason, your team thinks it would be a wise decision to miss another vote. Which one do you miss?
a) The day 2 bandwagon against Bridget Bishop
b) The day 3 bandwagon against Entjen (that got switched to Krystyna)
c) The day 5 bandwagon against Mary
d) The day 4 bandwagon against Margaret Pearson, in which you could have voted just about any other way and came out looking better for it.
3. Someone with a questionable thread presence gets resurrected. How, you cannot say. This person was not expected. Without consulting you or anyone else, this person places a second vote on Karin, urges everyone to do the same, and makes up easily refutable points to accomplish this goal. What do you do?
a) Vote Karin immediately
b) Listen to what others have to say
c) View the evidence for yourself
d) Voice your own opinion and wait for feedback
e) b, c, & d because wtf is this?
everything is black and white, Rooter saggittary Diamond Dog and oreos.Anne Whittle wrote:Nothing in Mafia is as black and white as you paint it to be Alizon.
Barbara wasn't the guest speaker I was thinking of, as I think is clear. Her case on Karin is the weakest one I've seen at Hogwatz.Anne Whittle wrote:I find it odd how Alizon hinted at a "guest speaker" at Hogwarts and how she was interested in what they said.
Then when they come back and Barbara makes a very strong case against Karin and she discounts everything they say.Alizon Device wrote:I hope after today, the class will wake up and study much harder.
We will have a guest speaker, hopefully here at Hogwartz for some time, and I am rather interested in hearing what she has to say.
Not to forget she saved Malin (or herself again who knows) while at the same time saying she had suspicion of her. Either way she is defending someone she herself finds suspicious.Alizon Device wrote:Is it weird that after three days of Alizon / Malin votes, Karin is the most suspicious from both the resurrected? And no reasons were given?
I think I may follow Jennet and Barbara with a vote for Karin.
I said I'm interested in hearing from a guest speaker. I never told anyone to "listen to" anybody. See, that's twisting my words, deary.Anne Whittle wrote:#3 - you suggested we listen to the "guest speaker" yourself yet YOU are not. Why?
Quite often my teammates ask me how they should play. And it works out quite well, thank you.Anne Whittle wrote:Do you tell people how to play? How has that worked out for you?
Funny how you yourself haven't mentioned Karin once.Anne Whittle wrote:I think I may follow Jennet and Barbara with a vote for Karin.
I'm interested in hearing why you think this.Märet Jonsdotter wrote:Alizon, the case on Karin is not as strong as Barbara presents it to be nor as weak as you do.
There were FAR weaker cases this game. She brings up good points about Karin never mentioning Mary, and then voting for her in a lynch that was likely to get her lynched. I think Barbara has exaggerated a bit, but her points aren't totally invalid.Alizon Device wrote:I'm interested in hearing why you think this.Märet Jonsdotter wrote:Alizon, the case on Karin is not as strong as Barbara presents it to be nor as weak as you do.
Have you read back through the Mary lynch? It's not hard, the hosts have links to it on the front page. Why not make up your own mind?Anne Redferne wrote:ok now that there have been holes poked in the case on karin it looks very much not as "pretty damn good" :\
i was running on the assumption that all the things said in the case were accurate but it seems they weren't
There was an instance of "came back wrong" in the creation myth of the resurrection stone.Märet Jonsdotter wrote:The Sorcerer's Stone gives an Elixir of Life that means you live forever. It does not mean that you cannot die or bring people back from the dead.Katharina Henot wrote:I'm trying to think of how game mechanics and lore could meet. So please correct me if I'm wrong. I gifted all of my Harry Potter books to my nephews when I left them so I'm going from memory here.
Isn't the Sorcerer's Stone the same as the Resurrection stone? So the same thing that *extended life* was the same thing that could bring back the dead?
Also - in the later books when they were talking about the resurrection stone, didn't several people try to bring someone back from the dead and the were epic failures of their former selves? It was just wrong and bad?
The Resurrection stone really just gives ghastly copies of people. In the seventh book, before confronting Voldemort, Harry uses it to hear his parents and family talk to him. I don't remember if any other people who used it got bad results.
THE MONKEY'S PAW (1902)Anne Redferne wrote: There was an instance of "came back wrong" in the creation myth of the resurrection stone.
i'd just read through karin's posts before, maybe it would be good to reread the whole thing. in contextBarbara Kollerin wrote:Have you read back through the Mary lynch? It's not hard, the hosts have links to it on the front page. Why not make up your own mind?Anne Redferne wrote:ok now that there have been holes poked in the case on karin it looks very much not as "pretty damn good" :\
i was running on the assumption that all the things said in the case were accurate but it seems they weren't
It's nice that you had time to do this but not enough time to read the parts of the thread that you've missed while dead. You still haven't given thoughts on any other aspect of the game other than your case on Karin despite people asking you to do so (linki I see you now just briefly talked about Alizon somewhat). Do you see how this looks to someone who is suspicious of your intentions now that you're back in the game? And then you go after Karin for being a low poster and by painting her vote for Mary in a negative light. You could take any witch's vote from the Mary lynch and make it look bad because almost everyone voted for Mary which means her teammates probably did too. I agree Mary seemed to give up eventually so why wouldn't her teammates have voted her early? And why would Mary give up like that if not to try and cast doubt as to who her teammates were? Your case on Karin is manipulative and you don't ask her any questions. You just quickly vote for her and then accuse her and try to force your view of her gameplay on everyone else. You do not even ask Karin to explain her actions, you only try to impose your view of them.Barbara Kollerin wrote:I went back to check, and Karin did her vote for Mary one hour after Mary had posted about ten posfs of gibberish, and also after people had already been talking about how Mary had given up and thrown in the towel. If Mary herself had given up, so had her team. Karins vote being one hour after Mary went quackers bolsters my case.
She never nentioned Mary Eastey by name a single time all game, then suddenly votes her with no explanation, and then never mentions her thereafter, either. And, maybe you say, but if Mary was tilting what reason did Karin have to give, it was obvious, to that I answer simply that if that were the case she'd have said as much in her relly to my case. But no, she tried to sugfest that Mary's lynch was not yet a done deal at the time she voted, and any readback of the day Mary croaked proves that to be wrong. OBVIOUSLY wrong.
Yes that's exactly my point. You have not followed the game. But you vote for Karin immediately and justify it by saying you did the same to Mary. This is out of nowhere and seems like a huge distraction from everything we were currently talking about. "Jennet Bierley wrote:Like I said before, I've not really followed the game thread since I died, so yes and know.Jane Southworth wrote:RIP Merga. I was hoping we wouldn't lose you
Barbara, Jennet, have either of you even read the thread since you died? Its honestly way too early and frankly there are other things going on right now. In addition I'm really starting to get worried about how lynches are being manipulated and then you cast quick votes on yet another low poster. Why Karin and why now? I have my own suspicions about Karin but this comes literally out of nowhere, and at a very strange time in the game.
Do either of you know why you were returned to us? Barbara, do you know how or why you died? All we were told was "non-magical causes". What do both of you think of Alizon and Malin?
Also, yes it may seem like my vote came out of nowhere, because well, I was dead until today.
It's a very cool story, The Monkey's Paw.Jane Southworth wrote:Linki @ Malin:
Twelve people voted Mary that day. How many of them never mentioned Mary in any serious fashion before that day period? That's a terrible reason to vote Karin, especially without hearing from anybody, including the accused.Märet Jonsdotter wrote:There were FAR weaker cases this game. She brings up good points about Karin never mentioning Mary, and then voting for her in a lynch that was likely to get her lynched. I think Barbara has exaggerated a bit, but her points aren't totally invalid.Alizon Device wrote:I'm interested in hearing why you think this.Märet Jonsdotter wrote:Alizon, the case on Karin is not as strong as Barbara presents it to be nor as weak as you do.
I'm on the frontal assault today because I'm a bad ass.Barbara Kollerin wrote:So Alizon has been up for lynch and survived, eh? That explains why she's the one on frontal assault today. She clearly is trying to take the attention of the thread away from Karin since a lynch won't bother her.
Again, Karin charcterized her vote in the mary Eastey lynch as being NOT done at the time the baddies threw in the towel.
I ask you all to read for yourselves. Go back and find Mary's posts where she went bonkers and OBVIOUSLY gave up. Note the people TALKING IN THE THREAD AT THE TIME about how she had given up. And then note Karin's vote exactly one hour after Mary went bonkers.
Even if you think my initial post against Karin wasn't perfect, her response to it adds weight to my case! She voted EXACTLY at the time they threw in the towel. There is thread evidence for it. Please, read for yourself.
Karin voted at 12:06pm EST.Barbara Kollerin wrote:And then note Karin's vote exactly one hour after Mary went bonkers.
I know exactly why I have returned. I'm sure you could figure it out if you look at what's happened in recent parts of the game. Let's just say that I don't have long here (very much like Agnes), and I'm pressing as a result of that. Oh, and that's why I was pressing on Mary before, because I felt that my death was imminent.Jane Southworth wrote:Jennet Bierley wrote:Jane Southworth wrote:I will ask again. Jennet and Barbara, do you know why you've returned, are there any details of your return that we should know about? Barbara, do you know how you died in the first place? Do either of you have an opinion on Alizon, Malin, or any other witches? Do you have any thoughts on what's happened the past few days?