The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oops, forgot to add this.

Canucklehead wrote:Hey, all.
Just catching up and posting thoughts as I go.

1) I see Made has become the centre of Attention again. I am having a harder and harder time maintaining my earlier belief that he's just a whackadoodle civ. The main reason for this is because if I was on a baddie team with him, I'd be rejoicing because he's so successful at diverting the thread and keeping everyone's eyes just on him that it would allow his team a lot of freedom (and an easy distancing vote, if it came to that). Of course, the diversionary benefits still apply even if Made is a civ, so I'm back to square one. Basically, Made, if you are a civ, it might not be a bad idea to turn down the crazy and turn up the listening. There are an unknown number of baddies to find, and if you are a civ, you are currently distracting a lot of people from doing so.

Not that I disagree with your view on Made, in fact, I think it is quite apt. But you do have every right to ignore it and discuss/look elsewhere.

juliets wrote:Who made the case on Enrique? i want to look back at it to make sure I understand it. Even better, can someone summarize what it is about Enrique that is making people nervous?

Mister Rearranger wrote:My only experience in the challenge room was that juliets was very helpful and willing to collaborate on ideas about the challenge. I'ma have to use posts for the rest of my context since I wasn't there for long.

Lnki: I agree with your assessment of MP, Bullz.

I'd like to reread what the Made voters have said as well as the MP voters and go from there.

Linki: I disagree on Enrique though. He's closer to the less trusting side of the "unsure" zone right now...

juliets wrote:Yeah Made, I didn't play Misfits but i read enough of it to know your playstyle is whack. Nevertheless, I agree with Bullz. I have also started to wonder if you are making up these wild theories to keep the eye away from others. I have believed in your civviness but I am starting to have doubts or as Bullz brings up maybe I'm just confused by you. I know I'm confused by some of those theories.

Mister Rearranger wrote: Epi's thoughts today touched on some things that I'd been pondering as well.

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:Yeah Made, I didn't play Misfits but i read enough of it to know your playstyle is whack. Nevertheless, I agree with Bullz. I have also started to wonder if you are making up these wild theories to keep the eye away from others. I have believed in your civviness but I am starting to have doubts or as Bullz brings up maybe I'm just confused by you. I know I'm confused by some of those theories.

Hmm...

Ping. I don't buy the "keep the eye away from others" thing. Sounds contrived. Then add "I'm confused" and it's more suspicious to me.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Keterman is now replacing Black Rock.

He cannot be targeted at night and Black Rock cannot be voted on the poll.

juliets wrote:

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:Yeah Made, I didn't play Misfits but i read enough of it to know your playstyle is whack. Nevertheless, I agree with Bullz. I have also started to wonder if you are making up these wild theories to keep the eye away from others. I have believed in your civviness but I am starting to have doubts or as Bullz brings up maybe I'm just confused by you. I know I'm confused by some of those theories.

Hmm...

Ping. I don't buy the "keep the eye away from others" thing. Sounds contrived. Then add "I'm confused" and it's more suspicious to me.

That's interesting. Maybe I didn't say it right. I have started wondering if some of the things made has said have been attention getters, to pull us away from others who may be bad. Also, I don't think I've fully understood one theory made has put out there. I may understand part of it but usually there is a line or two i don't understand. I'm not saying a general "I'm confused" or even a general "I'm confused about everything made has said". But I am confused by some of it, which is what I thought I said.

Made wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote: Epi's thoughts today touched on some things that I'd been pondering as well.

What specifically, I'm curious exactly what part of his post spoke to you.

Enrique wrote:I have no idea whether Made has BTSC. Do we really have to go over this every other post? I simply don't buy your case. I could argue all you've said is "I think Made has BTSC," and similarly, I'd say that's based on nothing.

Maybe, just maybe, llama, you should try to be a bit less vague. Get stuff out of the way. Something like telling Made "Hey, I did ask you if you had teammates, but only after you got weird about it." Emitting that sorta shit doesn't help anybody, except you if you ever needed to backpedal. No, making it seem like he's straight up lying from the very beginning only makes him a likelier lynch candidate. You've got your mind set on lynching Made for hardly any reason, and nobody can do anything to change that.

thellama73 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Now, now boys.

I think Llama has been very consistent. I also believe Mades defense. Therefore I am moving on from this.

Reading other things now.

Thank you! I am sick of talking about this. I have said everything I have to say on the issue, and I have no new information, so I welcome the chance to move on and discuss other things.

OK, if you want that, you know what's a good idea? Bringing other names to the table, instead of simply saying "let's not discuss this anymore because he's bad and that's final," as if that was good enough for everyone.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
I feel like there are ties somewhere between some combination of DF, Jules, Enrique, and/or yourself.

Juliets wrote: if you are making up these wild theories to keep the eye away from others.

Mister Rearranger wrote: I would be interested to see if Enrique can practice what he preaches here and bring other names to the table. Because all I've seen is him acting as arbiter between Made and various people. Maybe as a protective teammate? Maybe for vindication if Made were lynched and was civ? Maybe just out of his defensive nature (I recall Enrique being quite scrappy and holding his own in LP games )? Of that, I can't be sure.

juliets wrote:MR -
So you non-nonchalantly left us, 3 of us, on our own to do that whole challenge? Do you know how hard that was? So really what I get out of what you're saying is you didn't care - you had no desire to help the team out. This explanation just doesn't help me with my uneasiness about you. I think there is a fair chance you not only didn't care you planned to not help us after you checked out who was there and saw we were not your teammates. No one else who was part of our group did this and some people like bwt and mp came in as soon as they could after they found out about the event. So bottom line, you intentionally didn't help us and as a result we struggled and ended up here. I am uneasy about you so you get my vote today -

votes MR

Mister Rearranger wrote:I made Made's shortlist! If I had known that all it took to garner your suspicion was reference Enrique and you, I would have done so waaaay earlier in the thread.

So, is Epi suspicious to you too then?

juliets wrote:Why you suspect me is not speculation it is you presenting evidence for why I am bad. You seem to be trying everything you can to avoid explaining. Do you not have a real reason?

Made wrote:Pretty colors on dark backgrounds!

DFaraday wrote:As someone who also takes awhile to get going in games, I can't be too harsh towards JC. I don't really have strong opinions yet either, and she seems genuine enough to me. I also don't know what to make of the Made/Llama thing, so I'll just...

*vote MR* because why not.

The JC(that's Juliet right?) comment is intresting, but to defend a teammate like this seems like a really bad move? As a counterarguement, was anyone else defending her? Maybe he felt he needed to speak up for the sake of her longevity. Also, Probably voted MR for a reason.

Made wrote:

juliets wrote:

Made wrote:

juliets wrote:MR -
So you non-nonchalantly left us, 3 of us, on our own to do that whole challenge? Do you know how hard that was? So really what I get out of what you're saying is you didn't care - you had no desire to help the team out. This explanation just doesn't help me with my uneasiness about you. I think there is a fair chance you not only didn't care you planned to not help us after you checked out who was there and saw we were not your teammates. No one else who was part of our group did this and some people like bwt and mp came in as soon as they could after they found out about the event. So bottom line, you intentionally didn't help us and as a result we struggled and ended up here. I am uneasy about you so you get my vote today -

votes MR

This one.

Thats MR not MP. And what do you find suspicious about this post?

While I agree that we were short on people and disorganized and things were chaotic, this just seemed to come out of no where.

Made wrote:

Made wrote:Indepth read of Juliet-
Very early on put on the defensive by a joke (that im pretty sure llama said) but previous to that, the only thing of substance she said was reiterating SVS's No Lynch is a bad idea Remark.

I'm starting to come to the realization that responding to all arguements/points that anyone makes towards you is a very easy way to avoid suspision.

Noted for when i actually am mafia :P (read on Movingpicture incoming)

Linki- I haven't met you either, hello Dfareday!

Thought about Juliet further. The fact that she was put on the defensive so easily with so little accusations or theories is pretty intresting. While it could be interpreted as on the defensive, it could also be interpreted as not posting to slide under the radar, and appearing to make sure that all thoughts against her are surpressed. Is she normally this jumpy?

linki- oh, read DH, yeah, DP and Roxy are my dudes.

Mister Rearranger wrote:I made Made's shortlist! If I had known that all it took to garner your suspicion was reference Enrique and you, I would have done so waaaay earlier in the thread.

So, is Epi suspicious to you too then?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:I made Made's shortlist! If I had known that all it took to garner your suspicion was reference Enrique and you, I would have done so waaaay earlier in the thread.

I dunno how you did that. I already made an argument about those two yesterday, and Made merely acknowledged it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:llama hasn't posted today after almost 48 hours. I'm going to go out on a very short limb and guess that he's been silenced.

Now that makes me wonder who'd have done it.

Mongoose wrote:Made, that's a very creative explanation, but my guess is it's something more straightforward and someone silenced him on Night 1.
my theory 1 covers this. I just skipped to figuring out why he might of been silenced.
Day 2 is seeming so long. Anyone else?it's a three day "day" rather than 2 because labor day.

Made wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:llama hasn't posted today after almost 48 hours. I'm going to go out on a very short limb and guess that he's been silenced.

Now that makes me wonder who'd have done it.

Would it be logical to think the reason he was silenced was to make it seem as if someone who is civvie is guilty?

I mean you're not gonna mute someone because they're on to you. I mean, come day 3 llama would come forward and just continue talking.

As an alternative theory what if llama has a role that allows him to visit people and he visited someone who silences you for the day.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Made wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:llama hasn't posted today after almost 48 hours. I'm going to go out on a very short limb and guess that he's been silenced.

Now that makes me wonder who'd have done it.

Would it be logical to think the reason he was silenced was to make it seem as if someone who is civvie is guilty?

I mean you're not gonna mute someone because they're on to you. I mean, come day 3 llama would come forward and just continue talking.

As an alternative theory what if llama has a role that allows him to visit people and he visited someone who silences you for the day.

I actually don't think you did it, for that exact reason. Why do you assume that? Anyway, I'm trying to think of who else would, that is where I am becoming confused.

And to your thought that he visited someone and was silenced, that not only implies that he has a proactive role, but that there is another role that silences visitors. I've never seen such a role exist before, so I don't believe it is a role used in this game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Made wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:llama hasn't posted today after almost 48 hours. I'm going to go out on a very short limb and guess that he's been silenced.

Now that makes me wonder who'd have done it.

Would it be logical to think the reason he was silenced was to make it seem as if someone who is civvie is guilty?

I mean you're not gonna mute someone because they're on to you. I mean, come day 3 llama would come forward and just continue talking.

As an alternative theory what if llama has a role that allows him to visit people and he visited someone who silences you for the day.

I actually don't think you did it, for that exact reason. Why do you assume that? Anyway, I'm trying to think of who else would, that is where I am becoming confused.

And to your thought that he visited someone and was silenced, that not only implies that he has a proactive role, but that there is another role that silences visitors. I've never seen such a role exist before, so I don't believe it is a role used in this game.

S~V~S wrote:Linki, yeah, Alisha in the Misfits had a role like that, i believe.

S~V~S wrote:FWIW, discussing who silenced who and why is a total exercise in WIFOM. I have silenced people who suspected me as a baddie, and when people would say, "Hey that silenced person suspects SVS", I would say, "Right, and that's why I would never silence them cause it's too obvious". I have silenced people to frame other people, to shut them up if the suspected a teammate. It really could be anything. There could be a role like Alisha, or there could be a civvie silencer.

Civvie silencers generally silence in order to protect, not always, but often.

S~V~S wrote: