The Syndicate

Dana wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:That said, I know this sounds strange, but I'm almost confident one of at least Made, Enrique, and Dana has to be bad. I don't know what it is but there's something going on with them. I know Dana is relatively new and takes a while to get opinions formed, but she seems too unaccusatory (this is now a word) to me and she defended Enrique really hard when I was going after him, which at the time I saw as reasoned responses, but who knows? Enri seems genuine to me half the time but the other half of the time I seriously question his intent and he seems a bit easy to waver (though I'm one to talk) and of course not on Epig. And then Made says he's been pinged hard by Epig but his whole case feels contrived, and he's playing such a strange game... he avoided being accusatory for D1 too and explained he would vote one of those people on his angle list, etc. I just am not getting him.

But who knows.

I think you may be onto something with Dana. I have only been in one other game with Dana and she didn't talk much. In fact, Made seem to talk for her a good bit. So, I was going to disagree with your opinion of her being too "unaccusatory". I was thinking, nah, this is normal for her. But then I read that you say she was quite defensive of Enri and that seemed odd so I went back to look at her posts. Her behavior may be seen as that of a newbie baddie. I am going to vote there.

The only game we've played in together was my very first. This one is my third, and I have been unaccusatory every game, especially so early on when there's really not much to go on. I really hate calling people out in general for anything, so playing Mafia has been pretty difficult for me sometimes. Made and Enrique are both very good friends of mine, and I don't know anyone else very well at all, so familiar names are comforting.

Elohcin wrote:

Dana wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:That said, I know this sounds strange, but I'm almost confident one of at least Made, Enrique, and Dana has to be bad. I don't know what it is but there's something going on with them. I know Dana is relatively new and takes a while to get opinions formed, but she seems too unaccusatory (this is now a word) to me and she defended Enrique really hard when I was going after him, which at the time I saw as reasoned responses, but who knows? Enri seems genuine to me half the time but the other half of the time I seriously question his intent and he seems a bit easy to waver (though I'm one to talk) and of course not on Epig. And then Made says he's been pinged hard by Epig but his whole case feels contrived, and he's playing such a strange game... he avoided being accusatory for D1 too and explained he would vote one of those people on his angle list, etc. I just am not getting him.

But who knows.

I think you may be onto something with Dana. I have only been in one other game with Dana and she didn't talk much. In fact, Made seem to talk for her a good bit. So, I was going to disagree with your opinion of her being too "unaccusatory". I was thinking, nah, this is normal for her. But then I read that you say she was quite defensive of Enri and that seemed odd so I went back to look at her posts. Her behavior may be seen as that of a newbie baddie. I am going to vote there.

The only game we've played in together was my very first. This one is my third, and I have been unaccusatory every game, especially so early on when there's really not much to go on. I really hate calling people out in general for anything, so playing Mafia has been pretty difficult for me sometimes. Made and Enrique are both very good friends of mine, and I don't know anyone else very well at all, so familiar names are comforting.

Right...you are agreeing that you are unaccusatory. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with you being so defensive of Enri. Are you saying you defend him b/c he is familiar/ friend?

Spacedaisy wrote:Really Alex? Come on. I say that I am mildly concerned by the fact you two are buddy buddy and I come back and find you have started to rally a lynch around me. What about that would I NOT find suspect?

Linki MP: because I may need to vote to save myself. I don't really WANT to die.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Really Alex? Come on. I say that I am mildly concerned by the fact you two are buddy buddy and I come back and find you have started to rally a lynch around me. What about that would I NOT find suspect?

Linki MP: because I may need to vote to save myself. I don't really WANT to die.

So you're essentially no u'ing me? How is it suspect? I clearly laid out all of my trains of thought throughout the game. Am I not allowed to suspect you?

Okay, fair (@ the linki).

Look, I'll consider the possibility that I'm wrong; in fact, I'm incredibly nervous. But I remain firm in that you are my top suspect at the moment and for what I believe to be good reasons.

Spacedaisy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Really Alex? Come on. I say that I am mildly concerned by the fact you two are buddy buddy and I come back and find you have started to rally a lynch around me. What about that would I NOT find suspect?

Linki MP: because I may need to vote to save myself. I don't really WANT to die.

So you're essentially no u'ing me? How is it suspect? I clearly laid out all of my trains of thought throughout the game. Am I not allowed to suspect you?

Okay, fair (@ the linki).

Look, I'll consider the possibility that I'm wrong; in fact, I'm incredibly nervous. But I remain firm in that you are my top suspect at the moment and for what I believe to be good reasons.

How can this be a no u, when I was the first one to voice suspicion of you. I think technically, you are the one pulling a no u.

Dana wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Dana wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:That said, I know this sounds strange, but I'm almost confident one of at least Made, Enrique, and Dana has to be bad. I don't know what it is but there's something going on with them. I know Dana is relatively new and takes a while to get opinions formed, but she seems too unaccusatory (this is now a word) to me and she defended Enrique really hard when I was going after him, which at the time I saw as reasoned responses, but who knows? Enri seems genuine to me half the time but the other half of the time I seriously question his intent and he seems a bit easy to waver (though I'm one to talk) and of course not on Epig. And then Made says he's been pinged hard by Epig but his whole case feels contrived, and he's playing such a strange game... he avoided being accusatory for D1 too and explained he would vote one of those people on his angle list, etc. I just am not getting him.

But who knows.

I think you may be onto something with Dana. I have only been in one other game with Dana and she didn't talk much. In fact, Made seem to talk for her a good bit. So, I was going to disagree with your opinion of her being too "unaccusatory". I was thinking, nah, this is normal for her. But then I read that you say she was quite defensive of Enri and that seemed odd so I went back to look at her posts. Her behavior may be seen as that of a newbie baddie. I am going to vote there.

The only game we've played in together was my very first. This one is my third, and I have been unaccusatory every game, especially so early on when there's really not much to go on. I really hate calling people out in general for anything, so playing Mafia has been pretty difficult for me sometimes. Made and Enrique are both very good friends of mine, and I don't know anyone else very well at all, so familiar names are comforting.

Right...you are agreeing that you are unaccusatory. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with you being so defensive of Enri. Are you saying you defend him b/c he is familiar/ friend?

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I have no idea if he's bad or not, but he doesn't seem to be acting too differently from his normal self. I defended him because I thought MP's attack of him was a bit uncalled for.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Really Alex? Come on. I say that I am mildly concerned by the fact you two are buddy buddy and I come back and find you have started to rally a lynch around me. What about that would I NOT find suspect?

Linki MP: because I may need to vote to save myself. I don't really WANT to die.

So you're essentially no u'ing me? How is it suspect? I clearly laid out all of my trains of thought throughout the game. Am I not allowed to suspect you?

Okay, fair (@ the linki).

Look, I'll consider the possibility that I'm wrong; in fact, I'm incredibly nervous. But I remain firm in that you are my top suspect at the moment and for what I believe to be good reasons.

How can this be a no u, when I was the first one to voice suspicion of you. I think technically, you are the one pulling a no u.

You didn't voice suspicion of me; you said the fact that S~V~S and I were "buddy buddy" was concerning. You never said you suspected me. In fact, given you defended me hard for most of the game, I was shocked when you came back to respond and found me full on suspicious.

Elohcin wrote:

Dana wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Dana wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:That said, I know this sounds strange, but I'm almost confident one of at least Made, Enrique, and Dana has to be bad. I don't know what it is but there's something going on with them. I know Dana is relatively new and takes a while to get opinions formed, but she seems too unaccusatory (this is now a word) to me and she defended Enrique really hard when I was going after him, which at the time I saw as reasoned responses, but who knows? Enri seems genuine to me half the time but the other half of the time I seriously question his intent and he seems a bit easy to waver (though I'm one to talk) and of course not on Epig. And then Made says he's been pinged hard by Epig but his whole case feels contrived, and he's playing such a strange game... he avoided being accusatory for D1 too and explained he would vote one of those people on his angle list, etc. I just am not getting him.

But who knows.

I think you may be onto something with Dana. I have only been in one other game with Dana and she didn't talk much. In fact, Made seem to talk for her a good bit. So, I was going to disagree with your opinion of her being too "unaccusatory". I was thinking, nah, this is normal for her. But then I read that you say she was quite defensive of Enri and that seemed odd so I went back to look at her posts. Her behavior may be seen as that of a newbie baddie. I am going to vote there.

The only game we've played in together was my very first. This one is my third, and I have been unaccusatory every game, especially so early on when there's really not much to go on. I really hate calling people out in general for anything, so playing Mafia has been pretty difficult for me sometimes. Made and Enrique are both very good friends of mine, and I don't know anyone else very well at all, so familiar names are comforting.

Right...you are agreeing that you are unaccusatory. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with you being so defensive of Enri. Are you saying you defend him b/c he is familiar/ friend?

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I have no idea if he's bad or not, but he doesn't seem to be acting too differently from his normal self. I defended him because I thought MP's attack of him was a bit uncalled for.

Okay, well that is not a good reason IMO. I think we ought to defend those we think are civvie despite out RL involvement with them. If I don't have to vote to save myself, you will get my vote.

Dana wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Really Alex? Come on. I say that I am mildly concerned by the fact you two are buddy buddy and I come back and find you have started to rally a lynch around me. What about that would I NOT find suspect?

Linki MP: because I may need to vote to save myself. I don't really WANT to die.

So you're essentially no u'ing me? How is it suspect? I clearly laid out all of my trains of thought throughout the game. Am I not allowed to suspect you?

Okay, fair (@ the linki).

Look, I'll consider the possibility that I'm wrong; in fact, I'm incredibly nervous. But I remain firm in that you are my top suspect at the moment and for what I believe to be good reasons.

How can this be a no u, when I was the first one to voice suspicion of you. I think technically, you are the one pulling a no u.

You didn't voice suspicion of me; you said the fact that S~V~S and I were "buddy buddy" was concerning. You never said you suspected me. In fact, given you defended me hard for most of the game, I was shocked when you came back to respond and found me full on suspicious.

She also came back to find you full on leading her lynch. I still don't really see why you're so certain she's bad, she definitely just seems frustrated to me. If I came back to see I had the most votes a few hours from the lynch, I'd probably be pretty suspicious of the person who laid out the suspicions of me.

Voting for Epig now before I forget.

Dana wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Dana wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Dana wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:That said, I know this sounds strange, but I'm almost confident one of at least Made, Enrique, and Dana has to be bad. I don't know what it is but there's something going on with them. I know Dana is relatively new and takes a while to get opinions formed, but she seems too unaccusatory (this is now a word) to me and she defended Enrique really hard when I was going after him, which at the time I saw as reasoned responses, but who knows? Enri seems genuine to me half the time but the other half of the time I seriously question his intent and he seems a bit easy to waver (though I'm one to talk) and of course not on Epig. And then Made says he's been pinged hard by Epig but his whole case feels contrived, and he's playing such a strange game... he avoided being accusatory for D1 too and explained he would vote one of those people on his angle list, etc. I just am not getting him.

But who knows.

I think you may be onto something with Dana. I have only been in one other game with Dana and she didn't talk much. In fact, Made seem to talk for her a good bit. So, I was going to disagree with your opinion of her being too "unaccusatory". I was thinking, nah, this is normal for her. But then I read that you say she was quite defensive of Enri and that seemed odd so I went back to look at her posts. Her behavior may be seen as that of a newbie baddie. I am going to vote there.

The only game we've played in together was my very first. This one is my third, and I have been unaccusatory every game, especially so early on when there's really not much to go on. I really hate calling people out in general for anything, so playing Mafia has been pretty difficult for me sometimes. Made and Enrique are both very good friends of mine, and I don't know anyone else very well at all, so familiar names are comforting.

Right...you are agreeing that you are unaccusatory. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with you being so defensive of Enri. Are you saying you defend him b/c he is familiar/ friend?

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I have no idea if he's bad or not, but he doesn't seem to be acting too differently from his normal self. I defended him because I thought MP's attack of him was a bit uncalled for.

Okay, well that is not a good reason IMO. I think we ought to defend those we think are civvie despite out RL involvement with them. If I don't have to vote to save myself, you will get my vote.

I do think he's civvie, if I didn't think he was, then I wouldn't have defended him.

Enrique wrote:Alex, not to speak for her, but let's just go with "she's leaning civvie." I think she's a civ too but I can't know if I'm right. It's too early to have any solid info on anyone. What she just said is super standard and I don't know why you'd be so quick to jump on her.

linki- Oh hi BR nice to see you!

Spacedaisy wrote:And if you already somewhat suspected that person. Expressed some mild concern about them, and then came back to find they were leading your lynch. Wouldn't that vault that person to the top of your suspect list. I'm not bad Alex.

Spacedaisy wrote:I've already listed all of my thoughts.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I have no idea if he's bad or not, but he doesn't seem to be acting too differently from his normal self. I defended him because I thought MP's attack of him was a bit uncalled for.

Enrique wrote:I usually see eye to eye with Dana and look at her as civvie, but I don't really agree with the way she worded her last post. I know her very well, I agree with most of her opinions so far in this game, yes, but we're not playing favorites.

I actually find it kind of funny that she said I'm not "acting too differently from my normal self." We played once together and throughout the whole game she kept saying I read like a different person in Mafia than on IRC or anywhere outside of it I was civvie for the first half of that game and bad for the second (life was too short ), so I'd rather Dana defend me because she agrees with my views than because of my meta, which doesn't really say a lot. Fortunately I think she does

MovingPictures07 wrote:CONTRADICTION! You just said before "I have no idea if he's bad or not". Explain?

Enrique wrote:Fair enough. I still wanted to point out that I see nothing wrong with her post.

Alex, do you have any idea whether Epig is bad or not? Let's put it like this. There's some people I trust and agree with more than others. This is the post you're looking at:

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I have no idea if he's bad or not, but he doesn't seem to be acting too differently from his normal self. I defended him because I thought MP's attack of him was a bit uncalled for.

So I don't get it. She's obviously defending me because she thinks I'm good. She expresses clearly right there that she thinks I'm acting like my normal self. How is that too different to saying she thinks I'm a civ?

Dana wrote:

Enrique wrote:I usually see eye to eye with Dana and look at her as civvie, but I don't really agree with the way she worded her last post. I know her very well, I agree with most of her opinions so far in this game, yes, but we're not playing favorites.

I actually find it kind of funny that she said I'm not "acting too differently from my normal self." We played once together and throughout the whole game she kept saying I read like a different person in Mafia than on IRC or anywhere outside of it I was civvie for the first half of that game and bad for the second (life was too short ), so I'd rather Dana defend me because she agrees with my views than because of my meta, which doesn't really say a lot. Fortunately I think she does

I mostly gotten used to your mafia-ness, I think. What I was so surprised about in python was the bigish words and the "formalness" I guess you could say. Even though this isn't really formal, it does take a lot more thought than just chatting on IRC.

MovingPictures07 wrote:CONTRADICTION! You just said before "I have no idea if he's bad or not". Explain?

I meant "I have no idea" as in "I don't know for certain." I THINK that he's probably civvie but I have no idea if I'm right or not.

Linki- Yeah, Enri gets me, yo. I mean what

Epignosis wrote:Everybody is probably a civilian.

Spacedaisy wrote:Elo's fly by vote did not sit well with me, but I don't find it out of character for her play style.

Epi has annoyed me with his approach, but other than being spectacularly wrong about Juliets, I have not seen any suspicion.

Enrique I have felt both way sat different times. Right now I have no feeling on him either way.

I don't think Dana is bad fwiw, even though her name doesn't start with an E.

Spacedaisy wrote:I just don't. Her posts read genuine to me

Enrique wrote:Dana you're implying negative things about the way I express myself on IRC, I don't like this

Chris wrote:I'll admit, I'm playing a lazy game so far.

I have no idea who to vote for as I have no suspicions. I am trying to suss one little niggle out though.

*votes SpaceDaisy*

Did I mention I like ties?

bea wrote:*shakes fist* b is for baddies. I wasn't even bad till way later. *pout*

and cute nephew SVS!!!

Thanks! He's got Jerrys ears~ we are hoping for the eyes

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:I'll admit, I'm playing a lazy game so far.

I have no idea who to vote for as I have no suspicions. I am trying to suss one little niggle out though.

*votes SpaceDaisy*

Did I mention I like ties?

Well, this is nervewracking.

You have no suspicions at all yet?

Chris wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:I'll admit, I'm playing a lazy game so far.

I have no idea who to vote for as I have no suspicions. I am trying to suss one little niggle out though.

*votes SpaceDaisy*

Did I mention I like ties?

Well, this is nervewracking.

You have no suspicions at all yet?

Yet? It's day two, and I replaced in like 2 real life days ago, or something like that.

So, to answer your question, no. I have no suspicions yet.

Well, except the fact that you find it odd that I have no suspicions...

LOL.