The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

juliets wrote:Canuck, I don't think you've played with me enough to recognize that cautious is my style. I like to vote on facts and am much less comfortable voting on feelings or gut. Thus, I try to look at each situation all the way around to see how much factual data is available. I play devils advocate though I don't voice this in the thread. I may ask questions that seem odd but usually that is me trying to make sure I see the situation from all sides. I feel as sure as it's going to get on MM this round because he voted for himself again this round, even after he knew this was problematic in the first round. I was less sure, but still very suspicious, before he did that but once he did it was the cherry on top. Check my vote - it came after his self vote.

I'm also not a case builder though I do sometimes build cases but not this early in the game. For me, this early in the game, this is my normal behavior. I understand that these things ping you and all I can do is explain my play style as much as possible.

How will you react after I flip as a civilian?

Canucklehead wrote:I'm less convinced of MM's civness than I was earlier today. His own admission of "giving up" last night and his not-so-awesome case against TH (merely intimating that someone might have btsc with someone else is not enough in this particular set-up, and I thought the attempts to construe that possible BTSC as necessarily baddie based on "Day 1 stuff" was not particularly convincing) have me questioning my earlier judgement of MM....but honestly, it's still not enough that I'm ready to vote for him.
Of course, at this point it doesn't really matter, since he seems to be as good as lynches anyway. I wish some more viable candidates would have come up so that I wouldn't feel as though I'm wasting my vote regardless of what I do.

S~V~S wrote:If you flip civ, MM, I will change my rank to marmot in solidarity with you

Epignosis wrote:It occurred to me that if MM is the Millionaire, and the lynch fails to go through, that's bad news. A lynch not going through explains "giving up," self-voting (again), and then deciding to come back swinging all too well.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:If you flip civ, MM, I will change my rank to marmot in solidarity with you

How about a sig bet then?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm less convinced of MM's civness than I was earlier today. His own admission of "giving up" last night and his not-so-awesome case against TH (merely intimating that someone might have btsc with someone else is not enough in this particular set-up, and I thought the attempts to construe that possible BTSC as necessarily baddie based on "Day 1 stuff" was not particularly convincing) have me questioning my earlier judgement of MM....but honestly, it's still not enough that I'm ready to vote for him.
Of course, at this point it doesn't really matter, since he seems to be as good as lynches anyway. I wish some more viable candidates would have come up so that I wouldn't feel as though I'm wasting my vote regardless of what I do.

This post. You earlier said you think I'm not bad, but now are waffling based on things that happened before you said you think I'm not bad. That is why I don't understand. And you are accusing juliets of "going with the masses", even though she was one of the few to vote me Day 1, but whatever.

Also, the enlarged part of that post reminds me an awful lot of a certain instance in Death Note. I'm sure Zomba knows what I'm talking about.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It occurred to me that if MM is the Millionaire, and the lynch fails to go through, that's bad news. A lynch not going through explains "giving up," self-voting (again), and then deciding to come back swinging all too well.

Do you have some way to stop the lynch?

juliets wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

juliets wrote:Canuck, I don't think you've played with me enough to recognize that cautious is my style. I like to vote on facts and am much less comfortable voting on feelings or gut. Thus, I try to look at each situation all the way around to see how much factual data is available. I play devils advocate though I don't voice this in the thread. I may ask questions that seem odd but usually that is me trying to make sure I see the situation from all sides. I feel as sure as it's going to get on MM this round because he voted for himself again this round, even after he knew this was problematic in the first round. I was less sure, but still very suspicious, before he did that but once he did it was the cherry on top. Check my vote - it came after his self vote.

I'm also not a case builder though I do sometimes build cases but not this early in the game. For me, this early in the game, this is my normal behavior. I understand that these things ping you and all I can do is explain my play style as much as possible.

How will you react after I flip as a civilian?

I don't think you are but if you turn out to be civ I will be sorry for my poor judgement. At the same time i join SVS in counseling you to give up on voting yourself at the beginning of games. It just causes you unnecessary grief because people are going to look at you for that behavior.

Canucklehead wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm less convinced of MM's civness than I was earlier today. His own admission of "giving up" last night and his not-so-awesome case against TH (merely intimating that someone might have btsc with someone else is not enough in this particular set-up, and I thought the attempts to construe that possible BTSC as necessarily baddie based on "Day 1 stuff" was not particularly convincing) have me questioning my earlier judgement of MM....but honestly, it's still not enough that I'm ready to vote for him.
Of course, at this point it doesn't really matter, since he seems to be as good as lynches anyway. I wish some more viable candidates would have come up so that I wouldn't feel as though I'm wasting my vote regardless of what I do.

This post. You earlier said you think I'm not bad, but now are waffling based on things that happened before you said you think I'm not bad. That is why I don't understand. And you are accusing juliets of "going with the masses", even though she was one of the few to vote me Day 1, but whatever.

Also, the enlarged part of that post reminds me an awful lot of a certain instance in Death Note. I'm sure Zomba knows what I'm talking about.

What? I'm not waffling. I didn't want to vote for you before. I do not want to vote for you now.
The things which have nuanced (not reversed) my opinion about you happened very recently, and involved not o ly your original posts, but other people's reactions to them.
And I'm not accusing Juliets of going with the masses, I'm questioning her about the careful language of her posts.

But if you're interested in further antagonizing one of your only supporters, go right ahead and continue. I haven't voted yet.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It occurred to me that if MM is the Millionaire, and the lynch fails to go through, that's bad news. A lynch not going through explains "giving up," self-voting (again), and then deciding to come back swinging all too well.

Do you have some way to stop the lynch?

Yes.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

juliets wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

juliets wrote:Canuck, I don't think you've played with me enough to recognize that cautious is my style. I like to vote on facts and am much less comfortable voting on feelings or gut. Thus, I try to look at each situation all the way around to see how much factual data is available. I play devils advocate though I don't voice this in the thread. I may ask questions that seem odd but usually that is me trying to make sure I see the situation from all sides. I feel as sure as it's going to get on MM this round because he voted for himself again this round, even after he knew this was problematic in the first round. I was less sure, but still very suspicious, before he did that but once he did it was the cherry on top. Check my vote - it came after his self vote.

I'm also not a case builder though I do sometimes build cases but not this early in the game. For me, this early in the game, this is my normal behavior. I understand that these things ping you and all I can do is explain my play style as much as possible.

How will you react after I flip as a civilian?

I don't think you are but if you turn out to be civ I will be sorry for my poor judgement. At the same time i join SVS in counseling you to give up on voting yourself at the beginning of games. It just causes you unnecessary grief because people are going to look at you for that behavior.

I had legitimate reasons to do so in my last two games.

In this one, I was not in a good frame of mind to play mafia. After spending 26 hours in a library studying for finals (overnight), and taking said finals, I came home and popped in and saw that MP was causing/being caused grief while being in a similar situation. So I reacted instinctively, then I got some sleep.

But in the end, the only vote I control is my own. It is Day 2 now, so it is up to you if you feel like looking for something else that is suspicious. No matter what you say, I will do as I please. For all I know, I could not self-vote in the next game, and be accused of trying to avoid drawing suspicion to myself. That's just how things go. Rabbit may be right that self-voting is stupid and unproductive, but that does not make it "baddie behavior". I feel like I've made solid contributions to the game otherwise.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm less convinced of MM's civness than I was earlier today. His own admission of "giving up" last night and his not-so-awesome case against TH (merely intimating that someone might have btsc with someone else is not enough in this particular set-up, and I thought the attempts to construe that possible BTSC as necessarily baddie based on "Day 1 stuff" was not particularly convincing) have me questioning my earlier judgement of MM....but honestly, it's still not enough that I'm ready to vote for him.
Of course, at this point it doesn't really matter, since he seems to be as good as lynches anyway. I wish some more viable candidates would have come up so that I wouldn't feel as though I'm wasting my vote regardless of what I do.

This post. You earlier said you think I'm not bad, but now are waffling based on things that happened before you said you think I'm not bad. That is why I don't understand. And you are accusing juliets of "going with the masses", even though she was one of the few to vote me Day 1, but whatever.

Also, the enlarged part of that post reminds me an awful lot of a certain instance in Death Note. I'm sure Zomba knows what I'm talking about.

What? I'm not waffling. I didn't want to vote for you before. I do not want to vote for you now.
The things which have nuanced (not reversed) my opinion about you happened very recently, and involved not o ly your original posts, but other people's reactions to them.
And I'm not accusing Juliets of going with the masses, I'm questioning her about the careful language of her posts.

But if you're interested in further antagonizing one of your only supporters, go right ahead and continue. I haven't voted yet.

Just vote for me. No one else is going to be lynched, and it would be better to keep the votes away from the real millionaire.

Zombarella wrote:Bye MP. Take care. Hi Bass! I already suspect you because I suspected MP a little. I'm here to see how the vote turns out....

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:Bye MP. Take care. Hi Bass! I already suspect you because I suspected MP a little. I'm here to see how the vote turns out....

Wait. Did I miss the announcement where Bass is the one replacing MP?

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:Bye MP. Take care. Hi Bass! I already suspect you because I suspected MP a little. I'm here to see how the vote turns out....

Wait. Did I miss the announcement where Bass is the one replacing MP?

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:Bye MP. Take care. Hi Bass! I already suspect you because I suspected MP a little. I'm here to see how the vote turns out....

Wait. Did I miss the announcement where Bass is the one replacing MP?

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:Bye MP. Take care. Hi Bass! I already suspect you because I suspected MP a little. I'm here to see how the vote turns out....

Wait. Did I miss the announcement where Bass is the one replacing MP?

Zombarella wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:Bye MP. Take care. Hi Bass! I already suspect you because I suspected MP a little. I'm here to see how the vote turns out....

Wait. Did I miss the announcement where Bass is the one replacing MP?

Yes. Black Rock replaced Bea and Bass replaced MP.

Did you also miss my post where I said that I'm on the lookout for people who might not be reading the thread?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm less convinced of MM's civness than I was earlier today. His own admission of "giving up" last night and his not-so-awesome case against TH (merely intimating that someone might have btsc with someone else is not enough in this particular set-up, and I thought the attempts to construe that possible BTSC as necessarily baddie based on "Day 1 stuff" was not particularly convincing) have me questioning my earlier judgement of MM....but honestly, it's still not enough that I'm ready to vote for him.
Of course, at this point it doesn't really matter, since he seems to be as good as lynches anyway. I wish some more viable candidates would have come up so that I wouldn't feel as though I'm wasting my vote regardless of what I do.

This post. You earlier said you think I'm not bad, but now are waffling based on things that happened before you said you think I'm not bad. That is why I don't understand. And you are accusing juliets of "going with the masses", even though she was one of the few to vote me Day 1, but whatever.

Also, the enlarged part of that post reminds me an awful lot of a certain instance in Death Note. I'm sure Zomba knows what I'm talking about.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm less convinced of MM's civness than I was earlier today. His own admission of "giving up" last night and his not-so-awesome case against TH (merely intimating that someone might have btsc with someone else is not enough in this particular set-up, and I thought the attempts to construe that possible BTSC as necessarily baddie based on "Day 1 stuff" was not particularly convincing) have me questioning my earlier judgement of MM....but honestly, it's still not enough that I'm ready to vote for him.
Of course, at this point it doesn't really matter, since he seems to be as good as lynches anyway. I wish some more viable candidates would have come up so that I wouldn't feel as though I'm wasting my vote regardless of what I do.

This post. You earlier said you think I'm not bad, but now are waffling based on things that happened before you said you think I'm not bad. That is why I don't understand. And you are accusing juliets of "going with the masses", even though she was one of the few to vote me Day 1, but whatever.

Also, the enlarged part of that post reminds me an awful lot of a certain instance in Death Note. I'm sure Zomba knows what I'm talking about.

What? I'm not waffling. I didn't want to vote for you before. I do not want to vote for you now.
The things which have nuanced (not reversed) my opinion about you happened very recently, and involved not o ly your original posts, but other people's reactions to them.
And I'm not accusing Juliets of going with the masses, I'm questioning her about the careful language of her posts.

But if you're interested in further antagonizing one of your only supporters, go right ahead and continue. I haven't voted yet.

Just vote for me. No one else is going to be lynched, and it would be better to keep the votes away from the real millionaire.

Zombarella wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:Bye MP. Take care. Hi Bass! I already suspect you because I suspected MP a little. I'm here to see how the vote turns out....

Wait. Did I miss the announcement where Bass is the one replacing MP?

Yes. Black Rock replaced Bea and Bass replaced MP.

Did you also miss my post where I said that I'm on the lookout for people who might not be reading the thread?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm less convinced of MM's civness than I was earlier today. His own admission of "giving up" last night and his not-so-awesome case against TH (merely intimating that someone might have btsc with someone else is not enough in this particular set-up, and I thought the attempts to construe that possible BTSC as necessarily baddie based on "Day 1 stuff" was not particularly convincing) have me questioning my earlier judgement of MM....but honestly, it's still not enough that I'm ready to vote for him.
Of course, at this point it doesn't really matter, since he seems to be as good as lynches anyway. I wish some more viable candidates would have come up so that I wouldn't feel as though I'm wasting my vote regardless of what I do.

This post. You earlier said you think I'm not bad, but now are waffling based on things that happened before you said you think I'm not bad. That is why I don't understand. And you are accusing juliets of "going with the masses", even though she was one of the few to vote me Day 1, but whatever.

Also, the enlarged part of that post reminds me an awful lot of a certain instance in Death Note. I'm sure Zomba knows what I'm talking about.

Zomba, just want to point this post out to you while you're here.

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:Bye MP. Take care. Hi Bass! I already suspect you because I suspected MP a little. I'm here to see how the vote turns out....

Wait. Did I miss the announcement where Bass is the one replacing MP?

Yes. Black Rock replaced Bea and Bass replaced MP.

Did you also miss my post where I said that I'm on the lookout for people who might not be reading the thread?

No. I saw that one. I just thought that such a theory was so completely opposed to the MO of any baddie team I've ever been a part of that I didn't pay much heed to it.

Zombarella wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:Bye MP. Take care. Hi Bass! I already suspect you because I suspected MP a little. I'm here to see how the vote turns out....

Wait. Did I miss the announcement where Bass is the one replacing MP?

Yes. Black Rock replaced Bea and Bass replaced MP.

Did you also miss my post where I said that I'm on the lookout for people who might not be reading the thread?

No. I saw that one. I just thought that such a theory was so completely opposed to the MO of any baddie team I've ever been a part of that I didn't pay much heed to it.

I don't think it's a baddie plot. I think it's human nature.

Zombarella wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm less convinced of MM's civness than I was earlier today. His own admission of "giving up" last night and his not-so-awesome case against TH (merely intimating that someone might have btsc with someone else is not enough in this particular set-up, and I thought the attempts to construe that possible BTSC as necessarily baddie based on "Day 1 stuff" was not particularly convincing) have me questioning my earlier judgement of MM....but honestly, it's still not enough that I'm ready to vote for him.
Of course, at this point it doesn't really matter, since he seems to be as good as lynches anyway. I wish some more viable candidates would have come up so that I wouldn't feel as though I'm wasting my vote regardless of what I do.

This post. You earlier said you think I'm not bad, but now are waffling based on things that happened before you said you think I'm not bad. That is why I don't understand. And you are accusing juliets of "going with the masses", even though she was one of the few to vote me Day 1, but whatever.

Also, the enlarged part of that post reminds me an awful lot of a certain instance in Death Note. I'm sure Zomba knows what I'm talking about.

Zomba, just want to point this post out to you while you're here.

I saw it before and I'm trying to figure out what you mean.

S~V~S wrote:Black Rock voted for the host option

Zombarella wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm less convinced of MM's civness than I was earlier today. His own admission of "giving up" last night and his not-so-awesome case against TH (merely intimating that someone might have btsc with someone else is not enough in this particular set-up, and I thought the attempts to construe that possible BTSC as necessarily baddie based on "Day 1 stuff" was not particularly convincing) have me questioning my earlier judgement of MM....but honestly, it's still not enough that I'm ready to vote for him.
Of course, at this point it doesn't really matter, since he seems to be as good as lynches anyway. I wish some more viable candidates would have come up so that I wouldn't feel as though I'm wasting my vote regardless of what I do.

This post. You earlier said you think I'm not bad, but now are waffling based on things that happened before you said you think I'm not bad. That is why I don't understand. And you are accusing juliets of "going with the masses", even though she was one of the few to vote me Day 1, but whatever.

Also, the enlarged part of that post reminds me an awful lot of a certain instance in Death Note. I'm sure Zomba knows what I'm talking about.

Zomba, just want to point this post out to you while you're here.

I saw it before and I'm trying to figure out what you mean.

Dom wrote:Bass-- do you have any idea why MP made contradictory statements and didn't answer my questions? Any explanation would be nice.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:Bass-- do you have any idea why MP made contradictory statements and didn't answer my questions? Any explanation would be nice.

Why would he have an explanation?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Nono, Canucklehead, not juliets.

Linki: you're fine Canucklegoose, unless you miss three more votes.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:Bass-- do you have any idea why MP made contradictory statements and didn't answer my questions? Any explanation would be nice.

Why would he have an explanation?

Actually, this reminds me of when TH replaced in for Roxy in Film Directors. Dom was suspicious of Roxy, so he essentially asked TH to reread Roxy and make a case on her (himself).

Btw, Dom was bad in that game.

rabbit8 wrote:At least tell us who you planned to vote for. Before the post goes up.