Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[tedxtr]

you can go ahead and point anything you want

you not full claiming here with night actions is pretty much equal to outing imo.

no reason for villager wilgy to hide a cop check from the thread when he’s already claimed what his role does, thus you are susceptible to “soup kills” anyway

it’s just another case of a wolf making a silly point about soup kill paranoia because, in reality, they probably can’t back up their claim / they need more time to think about it.

my point is clear

[tedxtr]

villagers that have no relevant info to give to town (which you don’t seem like you do) would full claim here almost always. wolves struggling with fake claims are gonna delay it for no reason other then they can’t claim a convincing role to stay alive, so they just go for the delay while giving “snippets” of their “role”.

[tedxtr]

Here, a question : let’s assume you’re a villager, although i highly doubt it atp.

you said you needed kyle to target you with his thing. did you ever hint to him that you needed him in order to get yourself cleared? or that he should use his ability on you?

[Justplayingitcool]

I honestly cannot keep up with who has claimed what

[DrWilgy]

you can go ahead and point anything you want

you not full claiming here with night actions is pretty much equal to outing imo.

no reason for villager wilgy to hide a cop check from the thread when he’s already claimed what his role does, thus you are susceptible to “soup kills” anyway

it’s just another case of a wolf making a silly point about soup kill paranoia because, in reality, they probably can’t back up their claim / they need more time to think about it.

my point is clear

I already said my night actions:
n1 holstered, n2 holstered, n3 holstered, n4 became rolcheck, n5 checked Michelle

I've claimed that I have reason to trust Michelle, but I will not reveal role.

[DrWilgy]

villagers that have no relevant info to give to town (which you don’t seem like you do) would full claim here almost always. wolves struggling with fake claims are gonna delay it for no reason other then they can’t claim a convincing role to stay alive, so they just go for the delay while giving “snippets” of their “role”.

Bad take.

[hollowkatt]

This day should be Ted's day.
Trusting him when Kyle has a mechanical confirmed peek doesn't look good.
'But Michelle, Ted said he is 3rd.'
Yes, i know, but the way he is not explaining why he wants to lynch DrW is nagl.
I would lynch always Ted before DrW here.

this line of thinking isn't good though! Chopping Ted doesn't get us a wolf, and doesn't get us closer to a wolf.
Like think of Ted like Allison, right? 3p, has a win con, is trying to pursue that win con, and isn't getting in our way.

We gain at best minimal advantage today chopping Ted. Basically it's one less person posting and therefore one less person wolves can interact with/engage with that isn't town, and therefore makes it slightly harder to blend in.
I don't understand why you'd take the guaranteed 3p chop vs potential wolf chop at all.
Unless you're a wolf that is. which the more you post like this the more i think you may be.

[DrWilgy]

Here, a question : let’s assume you’re a villager, although i highly doubt it atp.

you said you needed kyle to target you with his thing. did you ever hint to him that you needed him in order to get yourself cleared? or that he should use his ability on you?

I straight told him to and he did lmao

[hollowkatt]

I'm opening up for MR.

I remember bei g sus of them previously and I think we went 112 instead of them? I recall there was discussion along lines of "if 112 os bad MR has to be good." And we kinda tabled the MR suspicion since in spite of 112 being 3p.

There was no 'we'. That was Made's theory.

Are you gonna tell me what you found out about Michelle's role?

Not without Michelle's consent.

or, you can die I guess?

[DrWilgy]

I honestly cannot keep up with who has claimed what

The synopsis in my head is
Jack cop
tsp baseball
made immortal

kyle 3p
alison 3p

shows how much of it has fragmented for me too huh?

[DrWilgy]

I'm opening up for MR.

I remember bei g sus of them previously and I think we went 112 instead of them? I recall there was discussion along lines of "if 112 os bad MR has to be good." And we kinda tabled the MR suspicion since in spite of 112 being 3p.

There was no 'we'. That was Made's theory.

Are you gonna tell me what you found out about Michelle's role?

Not without Michelle's consent.

or, you can die I guess?

I'll take it to the grave then.

[Justplayingitcool]

I honestly cannot keep up with who has claimed what

The synopsis in my head is
Jack cop
tsp baseball
made immortal

kyle 3p
alison 3p

shows how much of it has fragmented for me too huh?

what

sloonei was baseball?

[Justplayingitcool]

unless that was a joke and I just missed it

[tedxtr]

Here, a question : let’s assume you’re a villager, although i highly doubt it atp.

you said you needed kyle to target you with his thing. did you ever hint to him that you needed him in order to get yourself cleared? or that he should use his ability on you?

I straight told him to and he did lmao

and did he say you did what you did?

[DrWilgy]

unless that was a joke and I just missed it

si. I have no idea who is what anymore and no clue who was baseball confirmed.

Somethin somethin baseball and such.

[Justplayingitcool]

unless that was a joke and I just missed it

si. I have no idea who is what anymore and no clue who was baseball confirmed.

Somethin somethin baseball and such.

Sloonei threw baseballs at tutuu and kyle allegedly. Nobody else has claimed getting balls chucked at them.

TSP is confirmed town from jack cop check

[DrWilgy]

Here, a question : let’s assume you’re a villager, although i highly doubt it atp.

you said you needed kyle to target you with his thing. did you ever hint to him that you needed him in order to get yourself cleared? or that he should use his ability on you?

I straight told him to and he did lmao

and did he say you did what you did?

He said that he was given two options. 1 of which rolecheck other is btsc without him knowing which was which. he gave me rolecheck powers instead of btsc at random. That's when he hinted the aroma of my role and I was able to start rolechecking.

The other scenario where I would've cleared myself was giving a role check to someone and them rolecheck me and confirm publicly. This however is more risky as inappropriately giving a role check early could've been misused.

[DrWilgy]

unless that was a joke and I just missed it

si. I have no idea who is what anymore and no clue who was baseball confirmed.

Somethin somethin baseball and such.

Sloonei threw baseballs at tutuu and kyle allegedly. Nobody else has claimed getting balls chucked at them.

TSP is confirmed town from jack cop check

my point further ferments.

[Master Radishes]

Okay how about this.

Wilgy, I have reason to believe you could be lying. Now tell me, in even vague terms, what you think Michelle's role is.

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu

pls play game

[Kylemii]

would rather yeet Ted over wilgy because wilgy can be proven with Wilgy's own role if we arrange it right.

same thing can be said about ted specifically, and basically no one else though, and in a way that a redirector can't necessarily fuck with

If we want to minmax this we should yeet someone else

[Kylemii]

oh except ted is a self busdriver now nevermind I guess

[DrWilgy]

@Justplayingitcool, @Long Con, @Syn, are you ing and saying POE as your vote remains on me? Let me into your head.

The more I'm thinking about my scenario, the more I'm thinking that this is just an easy braindead misyeet.

While I don't understand HK, at least they've voiced something... Ted too, but Teds 3p I assume.

I'd think it's easy for the anti-town roles to be hiding on this. I guess it's still not LC.

JPIC, Syn, HK? Are one of you a wolf?

[DrWilgy]

Okay how about this.

Wilgy, I have reason to believe you could be lying. Now tell me, in even vague terms, what you think Michelle's role is.

@Michelle can you advocate this? I'm not going to say, but if you think I'm not saying in good faith then that should be enough.

[Justplayingitcool]

@Justplayingitcool, @Long Con, @Syn, are you ing and saying POE as your vote remains on me? Let me into your head.

The more I'm thinking about my scenario, the more I'm thinking that this is just an easy braindead misyeet.

While I don't understand HK, at least they've voiced something... Ted too, but Teds 3p I assume.

I'd think it's easy for the anti-town roles to be hiding on this. I guess it's still not LC.

JPIC, Syn, HK? Are one of you a wolf?

I'm not a wolf, and I don't think Syn or HK are wolves either

[DrWilgy]

@Justplayingitcool, @Long Con, @Syn, are you ing and saying POE as your vote remains on me? Let me into your head.

The more I'm thinking about my scenario, the more I'm thinking that this is just an easy braindead misyeet.

While I don't understand HK, at least they've voiced something... Ted too, but Teds 3p I assume.

I'd think it's easy for the anti-town roles to be hiding on this. I guess it's still not LC.

JPIC, Syn, HK? Are one of you a wolf?

I'm not a wolf, and I don't think Syn or HK are wolves either

Why? are they just wrong about me then?

[Justplayingitcool]

@Justplayingitcool, @Long Con, @Syn, are you ing and saying POE as your vote remains on me? Let me into your head.

The more I'm thinking about my scenario, the more I'm thinking that this is just an easy braindead misyeet.

While I don't understand HK, at least they've voiced something... Ted too, but Teds 3p I assume.

I'd think it's easy for the anti-town roles to be hiding on this. I guess it's still not LC.

JPIC, Syn, HK? Are one of you a wolf?

I'm not a wolf, and I don't think Syn or HK are wolves either

Why? are they just wrong about me then?

Look at sloonei's ISO. Sloonei wanted HK to die at like every single opportunity.

Syn is town because he silenced sloonei, and he sounded really fucking townie during that day when he wanted to yeet radishes when he thought that he had caught the vegetable via mech.

[DrWilgy]

Got it.

Now what about you JPIC? I was sus of you early, but then changed my mind with the opinion that you were hunting.

[Jackofhearts2005]

HK and Thunal were both townie af all game anyway. Like they aren't mech confirmed and that's the worst I can say about them.

[Jackofhearts2005]

When both wagons are mostly pure cause you've confirmed a buncha townies...

[Michelle]

Okay how about this.

Wilgy, I have reason to believe you could be lying. Now tell me, in even vague terms, what you think Michelle's role is.

@Michelle can you advocate this? I'm not going to say, but if you think I'm not saying in good faith then that should be enough.

You know what? Claim your peek, if your life depends on it
Sorry i was afk

[Justplayingitcool]

Got it.

Now what about you JPIC? I was sus of you early, but then changed my mind with the opinion that you were hunting.

Just read through my ISO and judge for yourself. Unfortunately, my role is NAI so I can't mech clear myself.

[Michelle]

I'm opening up for MR.

I remember bei g sus of them previously and I think we went 112 instead of them? I recall there was discussion along lines of "if 112 os bad MR has to be good." And we kinda tabled the MR suspicion since in spite of 112 being 3p.

There was no 'we'. That was Made's theory.

Are you gonna tell me what you found out about Michelle's role?

Not without Michelle's consent.

@Michelle can you give consent?

:nod:
Because you press so hard, you will face my paranoia

This day should be Ted's day.
Trusting him when Kyle has a mechanical confirmed peek doesn't look good.
'But Michelle, Ted said he is 3rd.'
Yes, i know, but the way he is not explaining why he wants to lynch DrW is nagl.
I would lynch always Ted before DrW here.

this line of thinking isn't good though! Chopping Ted doesn't get us a wolf, and doesn't get us closer to a wolf.
Like think of Ted like Allison, right? 3p, has a win con, is trying to pursue that win con, and isn't getting in our way.

We gain at best minimal advantage today chopping Ted. Basically it's one less person posting and therefore one less person wolves can interact with/engage with that isn't town, and therefore makes it slightly harder to blend in.
I don't understand why you'd take the guaranteed 3p chop vs potential wolf chop at all.
Unless you're a wolf that is. which the more you post like this the more i think you may be.

You don't know if Ted is lying or not though.

[Master Radishes]

Wilgy you can be vague about it.

[DrWilgy]

Okay how about this.

Wilgy, I have reason to believe you could be lying. Now tell me, in even vague terms, what you think Michelle's role is.

@Michelle can you advocate this? I'm not going to say, but if you think I'm not saying in good faith then that should be enough.

You know what? Claim your peek, if your life depends on it
Sorry i was afk

No need to apologize.

Thank you. I didn't want to apply unnecessary pressure. I saw you are able to protect both yourself and someone else one cycle. Kinda like a super doc. Definitely what I would say to be a pro-town ability.

Now that it's out there you could theoretically still force a 50/50 with yourself and someone else as a save in the future.

[Kylemii]

all other things being equal ted is a better yeet than wilgy is, right? especially if wilgy can prove his thing with michelle

[Michelle]

When both wagons are mostly pure cause you've confirmed a buncha townies...

Who is in your Poe?

[Kylemii]

fucked up that I wasn't able to steal that

[Justplayingitcool]

Does anyone else remember what dizzy claimed?

[Michelle]

Okay how about this.

Wilgy, I have reason to believe you could be lying. Now tell me, in even vague terms, what you think Michelle's role is.

@Michelle can you advocate this? I'm not going to say, but if you think I'm not saying in good faith then that should be enough.

You know what? Claim your peek, if your life depends on it
Sorry i was afk

No need to apologize.

Thank you. I didn't want to apply unnecessary pressure. I saw you are able to protect both yourself and someone else one cycle. Kinda like a super doc. Definitely what I would say to be a pro-town ability.

Now that it's out there you could theoretically still force a 50/50 with yourself and someone else as a save in the future.

Gosh, no, everyone was redirected?
Who has this role?
@Dyslexicon?

[Michelle]

When a mass redirection can be true or everyone lies?

[Michelle]

Okay how about this.

Wilgy, I have reason to believe you could be lying. Now tell me, in even vague terms, what you think Michelle's role is.

@Michelle can you advocate this? I'm not going to say, but if you think I'm not saying in good faith then that should be enough.

You know what? Claim your peek, if your life depends on it
Sorry i was afk

No need to apologize.

Thank you. I didn't want to apply unnecessary pressure. I saw you are able to protect both yourself and someone else one cycle. Kinda like a super doc. Definitely what I would say to be a pro-town ability.

Now that it's out there you could theoretically still force a 50/50 with yourself and someone else as a save in the future.

Gosh, no, everyone was redirected?
Who has this role?
@Dyslexicon?

@ Dyslexicon

[Justplayingitcool]

So I guess that's our first evidence of redirection then? Which sort of bolsters that kyle could have been redirected from ted as well

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mech confirms or close to it:
Jack
Tony
Tim
LC
Kyle
Tutuu
Hyena (weakest)

Strong townreads:
Syn
Made
HK

Townleans:
JPIC
Radishes
Michelle

POE:
Alison
Wilgy
Dizzy
Ted

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ted and Alison have both claimed 3P, right?

[DrWilgy]

Okay how about this.

Wilgy, I have reason to believe you could be lying. Now tell me, in even vague terms, what you think Michelle's role is.

@Michelle can you advocate this? I'm not going to say, but if you think I'm not saying in good faith then that should be enough.

You know what? Claim your peek, if your life depends on it
Sorry i was afk

No need to apologize.

Thank you. I didn't want to apply unnecessary pressure. I saw you are able to protect both yourself and someone else one cycle. Kinda like a super doc. Definitely what I would say to be a pro-town ability.

Now that it's out there you could theoretically still force a 50/50 with yourself and someone else as a save in the future.

Gosh, no, everyone was redirected?
Who has this role?
@Dyslexicon?

Hahahahaha

[Michelle]

Ted and Alison have both claimed 3P, right?

Yes but Alison in day 1 first post, Ted after Kyle's peek and being in lynch danger

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mech confirms or close to it:
Jack
Tony
Tim
LC
Kyle
Tutuu
Hyena (weakest)

Strong townreads:
Syn
Made
HK

Townleans:
JPIC
Radishes
Michelle

POE:
Alison
Wilgy
Dizzy
Ted

Don't get sassy about your place here. I've skipped huge portions of this game.

[DrWilgy]

I guess this works out then because the Super Doc is still hidden.

[Michelle]

Okay how about this.

Wilgy, I have reason to believe you could be lying. Now tell me, in even vague terms, what you think Michelle's role is.

@Michelle can you advocate this? I'm not going to say, but if you think I'm not saying in good faith then that should be enough.

You know what? Claim your peek, if your life depends on it
Sorry i was afk

No need to apologize.

Thank you. I didn't want to apply unnecessary pressure. I saw you are able to protect both yourself and someone else one cycle. Kinda like a super doc. Definitely what I would say to be a pro-town ability.

Now that it's out there you could theoretically still force a 50/50 with yourself and someone else as a save in the future.

Gosh, no, everyone was redirected?
Who has this role?
@Dyslexicon?

Hahahahaha

I have no idea if i have to claim or not, maybe only if Jack asks me to