Re: Day 5- BLUE vs. RED
Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:33 pm
High fiveLong Con wrote:Wilgy did the same thing I did.
High fiveLong Con wrote:Wilgy did the same thing I did.
Marmot wrote:His accusations against me are weak, and often off-the-cuff and unfounded. Why? He doesn't need to make a strong case against me; I'm an easy lynch.
Get off your damn "Epignosis is a civilian, because he's always civilian" mentality and get your shit together civilians.
On the other hand, you could have taken your own advice and realized I'm not bad and went from there. Instead you have foolishly pursued me when I should've been cleared (I'm not even close to tired of saying that), and it deeply troubles me that you are still calling for my head. Some nerve you've got telling civilians to get their shit together when all you've done all Day 5 is leave your vote on the one guy you should know is a civilian.Marmot wrote:I don't really have anything else to say, except lynch Epignosis please.
My vote has been on eleven different people today. You left yours on me and didn't even bother saving yourself. I don't call that leaving me alone.Marmot wrote:I did, I left you alone. Something happened that changed my mind, but I considered the idea that I was wrong and looked elsewhere.
You did not.
What things have I been condescending or unfair about?Marmot wrote:Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.
I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.
I agree, and I think I've worked out why.DrWilgy wrote:Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.
Is it related to his vote just a moment ago?Epignosis wrote:I agree, and I think I've worked out why.DrWilgy wrote:Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.
I think LC made a goofy mistake, and I'm ashamed I didn't realize it at the time.
A moment ago plus one day.DrWilgy wrote:Is it related to his vote just a moment ago?Epignosis wrote:I agree, and I think I've worked out why.DrWilgy wrote:Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.
I think LC made a goofy mistake, and I'm ashamed I didn't realize it at the time.
You've called me a foolish and boneheaded (Wilgy too).Epignosis wrote:What things have I been condescending or unfair about?Marmot wrote:Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.
I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.
This post came at 4:01 PM EST.Long Con wrote:You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.Epignosis wrote:I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?
Vote Epignosis
^ ThisMarmot wrote:You've called me a foolish and boneheaded (Wilgy too).Epignosis wrote:What things have I been condescending or unfair about?Marmot wrote:Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.
I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.
One of your reasons for voting for me is so you're not "stuck" in an endgame scenario with me.
Yes I'm a little irked by those things. I don't think they're necessary or accurate. You're asking me to understand a mindset that I just can't empathize with. I'm telling you I can't, so I've ignored that in my read of you.
I'd be happy to lynch him too!Epignosis wrote:This post came at 4:01 PM EST.Long Con wrote:You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.Epignosis wrote:I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?
Vote Epignosis
The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.
I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.
Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.
Marmot wrote:I'd be happy to lynch him too!Epignosis wrote:This post came at 4:01 PM EST.Long Con wrote:You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.Epignosis wrote:I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?
Vote Epignosis
The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.
I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.
Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.
Oh wait...
I just assumed that everyone would know the end time, so I didn't think twice about that until now.Epignosis wrote:This post came at 4:01 PM EST.Long Con wrote:You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.Epignosis wrote:I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?
Vote Epignosis
The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.
I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.
Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.
This reflects the swap he just did. Neat.Epignosis wrote:This post came at 4:01 PM EST.Long Con wrote:You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.Epignosis wrote:I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?
Vote Epignosis
The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.
I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.
Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.
DrWilgy wrote:^ ThisMarmot wrote:You've called me a foolish and boneheaded (Wilgy too).Epignosis wrote:What things have I been condescending or unfair about?Marmot wrote:Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.
I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.
One of your reasons for voting for me is so you're not "stuck" in an endgame scenario with me.
Yes I'm a little irked by those things. I don't think they're necessary or accurate. You're asking me to understand a mindset that I just can't empathize with. I'm telling you I can't, so I've ignored that in my read of you.
Mafia is something in which I have to decide whether I think a person actually thinks something is true of if they're only pretending to think something is true. I didn't believe S~V~S genuinely thought I was being set up, and for that and other reasons, I rallied a lynch against her. As it turns out, she must have believed what she believed. Maybe I should've learned my lesson, but it's part of how I operate: I simply cannot fathom your suspicion of me. But if you truly believe what you believe about me, okay. Maybe I'll get lynched next, as you would like. Either way, you will see that you were wrong.Marmot wrote:I'm no JaggedJimmyJay, but I don't appreciate your manner of response to my cases.
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DrWilgy wrote:Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?
Why should I be convinced?Long Con wrote:Mac, you really were that good.
Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.
I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.
You've been saying I'm baddie all game. Why?DrWilgy wrote:Neat, 2v4. LC and DF are the remaining baddoes and votes are final.
Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?
I would like an answer to this as well.DFaraday wrote:You've been saying I'm baddie all game. Why?DrWilgy wrote:Neat, 2v4. LC and DF are the remaining baddoes and votes are final.
Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?
Because I'm so good lookin'.Epignosis wrote:Why should I be convinced?Long Con wrote:Mac, you really were that good.
Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.
I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.
That isn't helpful.Long Con wrote:Because I'm so good lookin'.Epignosis wrote:Why should I be convinced?Long Con wrote:Mac, you really were that good.
Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.
I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.
Two options:Epignosis wrote:That isn't helpful.Long Con wrote:Because I'm so good lookin'.Epignosis wrote:Why should I be convinced?Long Con wrote:Mac, you really were that good.
Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.
I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.
A quick glance over his voting records shows that he didn't vote for Jack at any point. But what I thought was interesting was that on Day 3 he didn't vote for me even though Wilgy voted at a time when another vote on me and a little more pressure could have swung the lynch away from Jack once again. Maybe he didn't want to look like he was saving a teammate.thellama73 wrote:I'd like to discuss Wilgy as an option for today. He's been quietly smug the last few rounds, with his comments like "oh a tie, neat." and so forth. No one has really been looking at him, and I wonder if he hasn't started to get quite confident in his chances. I'll be doing a thorough reread of him before voting.
No sir.Long Con wrote:Two options:Epignosis wrote:That isn't helpful.Long Con wrote:Because I'm so good lookin'.Epignosis wrote:Why should I be convinced?Long Con wrote:Mac, you really were that good.
Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.
I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.
a) you're bad, you dropped the Eloh thing forever, great job, go on and win. Vote me now, they'll follow you.
b) I told you to drop the Long Con suspicion.
These are the seriously fucking true only options available to you. Read them and know them. I don't have a defense for you. I have sucked ass all game and I already apologized for it. You can win or lose now, I can't help you.
'Cause, you know, that "time forgetting" thing you are saying about me now is so good. Damn, I almost had a BRILLIANT baddie plan but I forgot what day it was! No.
Lol, didn't want to look like I was saving an outed teammate?DFaraday wrote:A quick glance over his voting records shows that he didn't vote for Jack at any point. But what I thought was interesting was that on Day 3 he didn't vote for me even though Wilgy voted at a time when another vote on me and a little more pressure could have swung the lynch away from Jack once again. Maybe he didn't want to look like he was saving a teammate.thellama73 wrote:I'd like to discuss Wilgy as an option for today. He's been quietly smug the last few rounds, with his comments like "oh a tie, neat." and so forth. No one has really been looking at him, and I wonder if he hasn't started to get quite confident in his chances. I'll be doing a thorough reread of him before voting.
Kay, day 1 we have a light dissuasion for Scotty calling out JoH.DFaraday wrote:You've been saying I'm baddie all game. Why?DrWilgy wrote:Neat, 2v4. LC and DF are the remaining baddoes and votes are final.
Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?
Day 2 he enters the thread after catching up woth no thoughts other than flimsy-waver commentary.DFaraday wrote:Wouldn't almost everyone qualify as low posters at this point?Scotty wrote:Everyone's checked in, so...ima thinking one of the low posters is definitely bad.
Jackofhearts, I see you.
Votes Jack out of self defence and not the fact that he's an outed baddie. Interesting that he would choose to vote for Jack on self defence in spite of his comment regarding keeping him alive. I'd think that "I'm vpting for jack because he's bad" or "I'm voting for jack to get rid of his manipulation" would've been what a civ would say, but he doesn't say either of these.DFaraday wrote:Finally caught up. Good result, all! RIP Elo.
I agree that there's no rush to lynch Jack, we just need to be careful about how close lynches are or he could tip the scales. Then again, I doubt he'd use that to save a teammate, but rather frame a civ.
To Sawyer: I have no suspicion of you. I randomized from everybody besides myself and it was you. That's all.
Day 3, this one is a personal qualm but how does df know I'm civ when he was wrong about Mac, Fz, SVS?DFaraday wrote:Anyway, I'm voting Jack right now for self-preservation.
Day 5, DF literally feels bad on everyone he comments on except Llama IF his bad feeling of Sawyer is correct. Also note that he specifically went out of the way to call himself vanilla. A vanilla doesn't do that, he's either a power role or mafia but w/e not going into role outing.DFaraday wrote:I'm putting a vote on Jack for now. I'm not liking how Wilgy has three votes right now, for what seem to be three different reasons. Llama for the visual, but also a little because he didn't like Wilgy's SVS vote. Epi because he finds Wilgy's case against him forced and fabricated. LC because he doesn't like how jokey Wilgy is playing?
For the record, I don't agree with Wilgy's assessment of Epi, but I can see how a civ could come to that conclusion.
Nvm, Epi is also civ, but this is at the time when several other suspect him so cred hunting?DFaraday wrote:Epignosis wrote:I want to know the following from everybody:
1. Where you stand on notsawyer and why.
I'm leaning bad on Notsawyer because he is tunneling Epi, forcing the facts to fit his suspicion (ie., blaming Epi alone for SVS's lynch), and cites Epi's lack of caught baddies despite the fact that Notsawyer is hardly looking at anyone but Epi, and so has also caught no baddies.
2. Where you stand on Marmot and why.
Rereading his posts, I'm finding him to be pretty inconsistent. First he cites some mild suspicion, decides to vote her over Jack, then the next day says that he's glad everyone is "seeing sense" and voting Jack, despite making a case on Epi and continually pushing it throughout that phase. I'm leaning bad towards MM, but not as much as I am Notsawyer.
3. Where you stand on Floyd and why.
The lack of a kill could indicate that the remaining baddies are uninvolved, which would implicate Floyd more than anyone (and me next, I'm aware). I'm slightly leaning bad on Floyd.
4. Where you stand on DFaraday and why.
Vanilla Civvie all the way.
5. Where you stand on Quin and why.
I don't really recall Quin's activity this game. I'll need to look into him.
6. Where you stand on thellama73 and why.
If I'm right about Notsawyer being bad, it's unlikely Llama also is given the timing of his vote for Notsawyer on Day 1, when the lynch could still have gone that way. His Jack suspicion was also consistent and felt genuine. Leaning civ.
7. Where you stand on Long Con and why.
LC hasn't felt entirely involved in this game, like he's trying to keep out of the limelight. I don't have suspicions of him per se, but I don't really feel civ about him.
You get the idea. If I left you out, it wasn't personal.
Start talking. Tell me why you're good. Tell me why others are bad. Go.
And this is why we should vote DF, according to him everyone is bad except the people that shouldn't be able to be read (i.e. me because I'm dicking around almost 80% of this game). He's buddies with JoH. Also note that LC saved DF yestersay sooo...DFaraday wrote:I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.
There is no "mistaken day thing". That didn't happen.notsawyer540 wrote:LC: I've had a civ read of him the entire game. Perhaps I'm mistaken and perhaps he's pulled a ruse on me, but he still strikes me as civ. The mistaken day thing is extremely disconcerting, and it'll factor heavily into my vote, but it won't DECIDE my vote.
Evening up the votes is a baddie thing now? I thought we might see some real shit in a situation like that. Guess I'm just a baddie and I was wrong about that idea.DF or Wilgy will likely get my vote. Despite my read on him, I'm not against voting for LC because of the wrong day thing. What discomforts me is not that part, but the part the next day where he evened up the votes between four people and said he was waiting to see who would flinch. Seems to me DF may be guilty because he was the first to flinch, LC may be guilty becuase he was trying to gain civ points by seeing who would, or they both are by setting up a way to subtly clear one or the other.