The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:02 pm Ok now seriously

I'm on my first life, but second role because Golden goofed with a lynch. My first role was a vote manipulator. Opinions differ on whether that makes me look civ or not. Epi had a big theory proving I'm civ, opinions differ on it too.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:02 pm Ok now seriously

I'm on my first life, but second role because Golden goofed with a lynch. My first role was a vote manipulator. Opinions differ on whether that makes me look civ or not. Epi had a big theory proving I'm civ, opinions differ on it too.

Actually, juliets goofed with a Lynch, not Golden.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:04 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:57 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:53 pm Chuck, what do you think of DH? I may or may not have already asked you this, I forget.

I think DH is town. (He's also not in this tribe)

But he mindmelded with me pretty often, and his scumhunting has seemed genuine in motive. He hasn't been opportunistic or pushy.

I know he isn't in this tribe. We can't discuss prior thoughts on people in the other tribe?

That was why I asked, though. He isn't here. He mindmelded with you while defending LC. That concerns me; it doesn't concern you?

I am of the (biased) opinion that making stupid blunders and opposing the natural order when you KNOW you will fail is a civ-looking thing to do. LC's teammate would not have defended him, methinks.

WIFOM on that all you want, but that's my opinion.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:22 pm Cool, I just wanted to ask without DH thinking I was giving him grief. That was all so weird, I just wanted your take on it. You think DH is a civ, you no longer think Dom is bad, everyone who defended LC just made a mistake.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:26 pm linki: Right, nightkill. I mean, I guess JoH wasn't scum.
Anyone in this tribe want to tell me why JoH would be killed over a townfirm?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:29 pm And I wasn't townfirmed, I was just annoying, and I got NKed.

Was Jack annoying?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:02 pm Ok now seriously

I'm on my first life, but second role because Golden goofed with a lynch. My first role was a vote manipulator. Opinions differ on whether that makes me look civ or not. Epi had a big theory proving I'm civ, opinions differ on it too.

Sprityo is 99% confirmed announcer. An announcer in a closed setup game is 95% civ. next.

Speedchuck is confirmed civ by the host. Unless the host is lieing hes a civ.

Nutella has BTSC with one of you guys in her first role.

Bob had a stupid bastard role that lied to use about being fated to lynch day 6. He didn't and instead forced Nutella to solve a bunch of soup can puzzles to avoid exploding.

Epi is in this game.

DH is in this game and he is really fired up about it.

SVS had the flu role from CC123. No, seriously, By miracle she managed not to get voted. She is freaking out about you guys want to lynch her for it, but imo she was acting unconfortable about it so I think she was a civ. Not sure about Role 2.

Quin had some mathy thingy that confirmed him as not mafia as long as no otyher vote manipulator roles existed besides me and LC.

LC went full TMI and got lynched twice.

Dom caught LC. People were divided on whether Dom himself had TMI or just luck. He was in the middle with a shit flinging contest with EPi that thankfully got interrupted.

Did I miss anyone?

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:10 pm Hello, new people!!

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:58 pm THE BUTTON HAS BEEN PUSHED

The thread is locked. Please stand by.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:12 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:10 pm Hello, new people!!

Hi

R U bad

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:19 pm Hi Cerberii !

Does Nijuu have any clue who would kill her? Epi was obsessed with this trying to figure out who was bad day 2 based on Nijuu getting NKed.

Also how many bad teams you all think we have? I think two different kills, I think the day 1/3 kills were made by someone with a different mindset than the 2/4 kills. I was killed by the same (presumably) team as the 2/4 kills, INH and Scotty. I was moderately aggressive in lynching LC, so i was guessing they went for me for revenge.

Best theories on who killed who and why?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:19 pm Hi Cerberii !

Does Nijuu have any clue who would kill her? Epi was obsessed with this trying to figure out who was bad day 2 based on Nijuu getting NKed.

Also how many bad teams you all think we have? I think two different kills, I think the day 1/3 kills were made by someone with a different mindset than the 2/4 kills. I was killed by the same (presumably) team as the 2/4 kills, INH and Scotty. I was moderately aggressive in lynching LC, so i was guessing they went for me for revenge.

Best theories on who killed who and why?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:02 pm Ok now seriously

I'm on my first life, but second role because Golden goofed with a lynch. My first role was a vote manipulator. Opinions differ on whether that makes me look civ or not. Epi had a big theory proving I'm civ, opinions differ on it too.

Sprityo is 99% confirmed announcer. An announcer in a closed setup game is 95% civ. next.

Speedchuck is confirmed civ by the host. Unless the host is lieing hes a civ.

Nutella has BTSC with one of you guys in her first role.

Bob had a stupid bastard role that lied to use about being fated to lynch day 6. He didn't and instead forced Nutella to solve a bunch of soup can puzzles to avoid exploding.

Epi is in this game.

DH is in this game and he is really fired up about it.

SVS had the flu role from CC123. No, seriously, By miracle she managed not to get voted. She is freaking out about you guys want to lynch her for it, but imo she was acting unconfortable about it so I think she was a civ. Not sure about Role 2.

Quin had some mathy thingy that confirmed him as not mafia as long as no otyher vote manipulator roles existed besides me and LC.

LC went full TMI and got lynched twice.

Dom caught LC. People were divided on whether Dom himself had TMI or just luck. He was in the middle with a shit flinging contest with EPi that thankfully got interrupted.

Did I miss anyone?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:40 pm I still believe I was killed since I was super laid back about getting votes and wasn't lynched even when there was like 7 or 8 votes on me, so they decided to kill me.

And no problem Lorab, your last post puts you more in the civ camp, I'd rather not lynch Boom either if I actually think on it. I need to look over Bloober post death tomorrow and perhaps INH.

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:00 pm Brief summary--or at least comments on the players who are still here:

We were really sucking at successfully lynching anyone. Until we had a unanimous vote on Marmot (including Marmot) during day 7. Until then, we weren't sure we actually could lynch anyone.

Jack was killed during the last night cycle, the first second death on our beach. He was certainly saying that he was civ (as you can read), and didn't have any real current suspicion, as far as I know.

There is lingering suspicion of Boomslang, leftover from the start of the game. Personally, I wasn't suspecting him, mainly because I didn't think that he'd nk niju. But, after LC's reveal, the general assumption here has seemed to be that there is more than one mafia (since he was identified as a member of the Evil Evens, and not just general mafia (implying more than one).

Wilgy has had a good deal of suspicion

INH has had ongoing suspicion.

Niju has has some suspicion, mainly because of an odd comment she made about not realizing that her early BTSC partner (nutella) was on the other beach. But she cleared that up, mostly. She's off my radar for the moment, at least. While I am not basing much on first roles, given the connection between her role and LA's, and the fact that the hosts have said that the first role and second roles are paired, my gut tells me that they are indy or neutral.

Sig had a lot of votes (relative) the other day. Then he was nk-ed. Suspicion of him has largely faded, especially since once he became active in the game again, his posts have seemed pretty civ. For some, it could also be because of his role--my own personal bias is that the roles tell us nothing about alignment and that we can't/shouldn't assume anything based on them.

There was some earlier suspicion of me, as per usual. Sloonei posted that he was no longer suspicious of me. No idea how sig is currently feeling. They're the 2 I remember mentioning it.

I have a thousand questions for the other beach dwellers. But, I need to go finish a paper that is due today and I should really finish that.

I notice colonialbob is listed as in this tribe, but he isn't on the poll. Have people been not on the polls in your former tribe?

linkitis:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:12 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:10 pm Hello, new people!!

Hi

R U bad

Nope.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:19 pm Hi Cerberii !

Does Nijuu have any clue who would kill her? Epi was obsessed with this trying to figure out who was bad day 2 based on Nijuu getting NKed.

Also how many bad teams you all think we have? I think two different kills, I think the day 1/3 kills were made by someone with a different mindset than the 2/4 kills. I was killed by the same (presumably) team as the 2/4 kills, INH and Scotty. I was moderately aggressive in lynching LC, so i was guessing they went for me for revenge.

Best theories on who killed who and why?

I don't think she ever speculated who would kill her. There was some initial conversation about it, but no conclusions.

I think we have 2 teams, personally. More than 2 would be unbalanced, and I agree that there is more than one mafia (as I said above). I also read the "evil evens" as implying that they kill on even nights.

We also had a good deal of speculation that the mafias are not complete teams. Because of ambiguity in the rules, which implies that one's first role is not necessarily aligned the same as the second. And the line "mafia players who have BTSC," which could be read that there are mafia members who do not have BTSC, there is some belief that some players join the mafia after their first role. Or are mafia who don't have BTSC with the rest of their team.

As for speculation on kill motivations, 1-Niju: no idea. 2-Scotty was reading pretty civ, I think, so kill was likely based on that. 3- Jack was reading pretty civ, as well. 4-no kill. 5-Sig-really weird target, since he had a lot of suspicion. 6-SVS-you commented on that above, the one nk from your beach. 7-Jack. My gut says that the mafia that I assume targeted him twice (both odd nights), either because he was a thorn in their side or because they had reason to believe or knowledge that he was civ.

INH was also day killed--and we're not sure what's up with that. It seemed like a civ-related ninja type kill, as suspicion was high on him at the time. Since he was the nurse (and glad you didn't infect anyone!), some felt he may be civ. But, as I said, I'm not putting much on the first roles in terms of assuming they are civ/mafia, and as it seems that someone can become evil during the game.

OK....I really need to finish my paper now...

linkitis again: Thanks for the clarification on your feelings of me, sig.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:21 am @Golden

If a player is civilian in their first role and mafia in their second, if they haven't moved to their second role by the time all living mafia are killed does the game end?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 pm Sloonei, tell me about Pikachu. Why was LC lynched?

I saw some people accusing him of faulty logic in earlier phases, I think. I don't recall who was saying these things though. I never read LC well, and he wasn't the most prominent name in any of the discussions that I read. He would not have been my preferred lynch over there.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:36 am I think that's a pretty accurate summary, except DDL didn't vote LC #2 either. I suspect him for that, but I know Epi was very adamant about his being town and I town-read him, so I want to look at fresh meat instead.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:39 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:36 am I think that's a pretty accurate summary, except DDL didn't vote LC #2 either. I suspect him for that, but I know Epi was very adamant about his being town and I town-read him, so I want to look at fresh meat instead.

That's right, I forgot about that. He voted DH, right?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:36 am I think that's a pretty accurate summary, except DDL didn't vote LC #2 either. I suspect him for that, but I know Epi was very adamant about his being town and I town-read him, so I want to look at fresh meat instead.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:57 am Yes I decided LC lynch was too easy and decided to throw shit on the fan to see what happened.

This was not a transparent attempt by a baddie to save a teammate from a TMI lynch, if that's what you are looking for.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:21 am Well, when you put a bunch of blabbermouth know it alls in a thread (and no name calling here, I place myself at the top of that blabby arrogant heap) this is what happens, yes?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:31 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:57 am Yes I decided LC lynch was too easy and decided to throw shit on the fan to see what happened.

This was not a transparent attempt by a baddie to save a teammate from a TMI lynch, if that's what you are looking for.

Should I just be letting things go then?

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:15 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:21 am Well, when you put a bunch of blabbermouth know it alls in a thread (and no name calling here, I place myself at the top of that blabby arrogant heap) this is what happens, yes?

Sloonie was our only blabbermouth and he's gone now.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:31 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:57 am Yes I decided LC lynch was too easy and decided to throw shit on the fan to see what happened.

This was not a transparent attempt by a baddie to save a teammate from a TMI lynch, if that's what you are looking for.

Should I just be letting things go then?

I feel like it might not be the best reason to lynch, but unless we've got something else might as well roll with it.

The real question is did DDL's vote matter? Did it sway anything and like was his vote an obvious counterwagon. Also if you recall how many votes did LC have that day?

Since we can only assume from LC slip that scum has post tribe BTSC meaning they knew how the lynch breakdown worked. SO your scum could've just been trying to get the numbers low enough to stop the lynch for that phase. Which is also something we should look over here.

Since the day LC was lynched I was Almost lynched (I believe), so it would be beneficial to look over who voted for me with weak reasoning and maybe go for them if they're still here.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:43 pm LC DID make a remark about how Cerberus was gonna get annoyed that we (Pikachu) were hogging the lynches between poll end and post

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:31 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:57 am Yes I decided LC lynch was too easy and decided to throw shit on the fan to see what happened.

This was not a transparent attempt by a baddie to save a teammate from a TMI lynch, if that's what you are looking for.

Should I just be letting things go then?

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:00 pm Brief summary--or at least comments on the players who are still here:

We were really sucking at successfully lynching anyone. Until we had a unanimous vote on Marmot (including Marmot) during day 7. Until then, we weren't sure we actually could lynch anyone.

Jack was killed during the last night cycle, the first second death on our beach. He was certainly saying that he was civ (as you can read), and didn't have any real current suspicion, as far as I know.

There is lingering suspicion of Boomslang, leftover from the start of the game. Personally, I wasn't suspecting him, mainly because I didn't think that he'd nk niju. But, after LC's reveal, the general assumption here has seemed to be that there is more than one mafia (since he was identified as a member of the Evil Evens, and not just general mafia (implying more than one).

Wilgy has had a good deal of suspicion

INH has had ongoing suspicion.

Niju has has some suspicion, mainly because of an odd comment she made about not realizing that her early BTSC partner (nutella) was on the other beach. But she cleared that up, mostly. She's off my radar for the moment, at least. While I am not basing much on first roles, given the connection between her role and LA's, and the fact that the hosts have said that the first role and second roles are paired, my gut tells me that they are indy or neutral.

Sig had a lot of votes (relative) the other day. Then he was nk-ed. Suspicion of him has largely faded, especially since once he became active in the game again, his posts have seemed pretty civ. For some, it could also be because of his role--my own personal bias is that the roles tell us nothing about alignment and that we can't/shouldn't assume anything based on them.

There was some earlier suspicion of me, as per usual. Sloonei posted that he was no longer suspicious of me. No idea how sig is currently feeling. They're the 2 I remember mentioning it.

I have a thousand questions for the other beach dwellers. But, I need to go finish a paper that is due today and I should really finish that.

I notice colonialbob is listed as in this tribe, but he isn't on the poll. Have people been not on the polls in your former tribe?

linkitis:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:12 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:10 pm Hello, new people!!

Hi

R U bad

Nope.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:19 pm Hi Cerberii !

Does Nijuu have any clue who would kill her? Epi was obsessed with this trying to figure out who was bad day 2 based on Nijuu getting NKed.

Also how many bad teams you all think we have? I think two different kills, I think the day 1/3 kills were made by someone with a different mindset than the 2/4 kills. I was killed by the same (presumably) team as the 2/4 kills, INH and Scotty. I was moderately aggressive in lynching LC, so i was guessing they went for me for revenge.

Best theories on who killed who and why?

I don't think she ever speculated who would kill her. There was some initial conversation about it, but no conclusions.

I think we have 2 teams, personally. More than 2 would be unbalanced, and I agree that there is more than one mafia (as I said above). I also read the "evil evens" as implying that they kill on even nights.

We also had a good deal of speculation that the mafias are not complete teams. Because of ambiguity in the rules, which implies that one's first role is not necessarily aligned the same as the second. And the line "mafia players who have BTSC," which could be read that there are mafia members who do not have BTSC, there is some belief that some players join the mafia after their first role. Or are mafia who don't have BTSC with the rest of their team.

As for speculation on kill motivations, 1-Niju: no idea. 2-Scotty was reading pretty civ, I think, so kill was likely based on that. 3- Jack was reading pretty civ, as well. 4-no kill. 5-Sig-really weird target, since he had a lot of suspicion. 6-SVS-you commented on that above, the one nk from your beach. 7-Jack. My gut says that the mafia that I assume targeted him twice (both odd nights), either because he was a thorn in their side or because they had reason to believe or knowledge that he was civ.

INH was also day killed--and we're not sure what's up with that. It seemed like a civ-related ninja type kill, as suspicion was high on him at the time. Since he was the nurse (and glad you didn't infect anyone!), some felt he may be civ. But, as I said, I'm not putting much on the first roles in terms of assuming they are civ/mafia, and as it seems that someone can become evil during the game.

OK....I really need to finish my paper now...

linkitis again: Thanks for the clarification on your feelings of me, sig.