The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:10 pm**

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:11 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:00 pm
Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:53 pm
Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:51 pm It certainly increases your chances to be, as you're pushing me as scum from any angle you can.
Your posts are still rigid.
Have you ever considered that being rigid is just how I am? Like have you ever played with town me to know that I can be a stiff in general?

I flow more freely as mafia because I don't feel the pressure to actually solve to myself, and don't feel shackled by my own meta. Showing passion at all is a towntell, humor a scumtell.
I have considered it. What's your least favorite thing about sig?

Their connections to Jack, from a general sense. Their post about Daisy before EoD1 being the worst specific post, especially coming off of posting how the team was myself+Sloonei+an inactive. Why does sig not consider Jack and I possible scummates at that time given his scumread on me?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:11 pm**

Myo why are you town all of a sudden? Did you eat some spinach?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:11 pm**

I also still feel the new player/low poster is bad angle too which makes Jiwon and motobot appealing. I trust so few people

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:12 pm**

I just really think sig is town

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:12 pm**

Jay wants to lynch sig but he's voting soneji and sig has three votes? Weird. Maybe we should lynch Jay?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:13 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:12 pm Jay wants to lynch sig but he's voting soneji and sig has three votes? Weird. Maybe we should lynch Jay?

I want to lynch the whole roster

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:14 pm**

I'm staying on Soneji for the moment. I have to bail for a couple minutes

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:16 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:14 pm I'm staying on Soneji for the moment. I have to bail for a couple minutes

Well... I mean stay for the flip, right? It's only a couple of minutes away.

Yes, I'd Hot Potato JJJ.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:16 pm**

k baq

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:17 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:14 pm I'm staying on Soneji for the moment. I have to bail for a couple minutes
Well... I mean stay for the flip, right? It's only a couple of minutes away.

Yes, I'd Hot Potato JJJ.

A guest is staying at my house tonight and I had to let her in

Not like that everyone shut up

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:18 pm**

Ties are dumb. I will break it if it holds.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:19 pm**

I'm voting Soneji. Gut feeling is better from sig, his tone is lackadaisical and Sloneji's has that big early post that feels very forced to me and talking some rather innocuous comments too seriosuly.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:23 pm**

I figure etiquette is to not post anything game related if a lynch poll has ended with you in the lead. Good luck to everyone remaining, was frustrating but still a good experience overall.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:25 pm**

That etiquette is agreeable but not always observed. Either way thanks for playing Soneji, good to have you back around.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:35 pm**

It ain't over till the Host posts. We don't know who has what ability.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:35 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:25 pm Can you sum up why you suspect LC and why you think Sloonei is town?

The Lon Con answer.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 pm Sloonei, Nanook, Nutella are all lock clear.

Sig and Spacedaisy voted late on Soneji when LC looked like getting lynched.

I'd say the scum are Jack + LC + one of sig/Spacedaisy. Whichever of the two Jack spewed more.
Sllonei only works if LC is mafia too yeah?
Nah I clear him because I don't believe that he wouldn't clue Jack in sooner. Jack was totally not realising he was nearly lynched.
Lynch me tomorrow and then win the game for me. Works for me.

This comes across as extremely ’so there’ to me. I don’t think that Lon Con was actually in any danger of being lunched when he commented this and it’s kind of a discussion closer. It seems unnecessary. If it was a joke, then it's gone over my head and stood out in a bad way.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 12:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:17 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:08 amMacDougall bad
Tell me more
Just had the idea that this is a Jack & Mac scheme. Max sudden insight at the eleventh hour and Jack innocently not even knowing the lynch was up, while conveniently being several pages behind and watching Animaniacs... just all kind of convenient. Also Mac keeps listing me as town on his list while calling me scum in the thread, which makes no sense.

I think paranoia is a good mark of townies, it’s hard to fake and have it feel genuine. Lon Con’s tin foil hat theory about Mac and Sloonie being the remaining 2 wolves post-JackofHearts2005 lunch doesn’t feel genuine to me. I expect paranoia theories to either be gradually built, or a snap reaction and this is neither. It’s all over the place, I jusy don’t follow the logic that led him to that conclusion.

Also the argument he has post-JackofHearts2005 lunch. I’d expect a townie to accept it and move on once it becomes obvious they’re getting no credit, he doesn’t.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:43 pm**

Ah. The thing you need to know about me is that I have a bad attitude.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:47 pm**

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:25 pm Can you sum up why you suspect LC and why you think Sloonei is town?
The Lon Con answer.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 pm Sloonei, Nanook, Nutella are all lock clear.

Sig and Spacedaisy voted late on Soneji when LC looked like getting lynched.

I'd say the scum are Jack + LC + one of sig/Spacedaisy. Whichever of the two Jack spewed more.
Sllonei only works if LC is mafia too yeah?
Nah I clear him because I don't believe that he wouldn't clue Jack in sooner. Jack was totally not realising he was nearly lynched.
Lynch me tomorrow and then win the game for me. Works for me.
This comes across as extremely ’so there’ to me. I don’t think that Lon Con was actually in any danger of being lunched when he commented this and it’s kind of a discussion closer. It seems unnecessary. If it was a joke, then it's gone over my head and stood out in a bad way.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 12:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:17 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:08 amMacDougall bad
Tell me more
Just had the idea that this is a Jack & Mac scheme. Max sudden insight at the eleventh hour and Jack innocently not even knowing the lynch was up, while conveniently being several pages behind and watching Animaniacs... just all kind of convenient. Also Mac keeps listing me as town on his list while calling me scum in the thread, which makes no sense.
I think paranoia is a good mark of townies, it’s hard to fake and have it feel genuine. Lon Con’s tin foil hat theory about Mac and Sloonie being the remaining 2 wolves post-JackofHearts2005 lunch doesn’t feel genuine to me. I expect paranoia theories to either be gradually built, or a snap reaction and this is neither. It’s all over the place, I jusy don’t follow the logic that led him to that conclusion.

Also the argument he has post-JackofHearts2005 lunch. I’d expect a townie to accept it and move on once it becomes obvious they’re getting no credit, he doesn’t.

Wow, I just reread this and Lon Con does not at all suggest that Sloonie is a wolf. My brain was to focused on both names at once. I still keep all the other stuff I wrote, I just realised that bit was completely false.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:48 pm**

Actually I was kind of wondering that myself.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:03 am**

What happened to my prey?

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:16 am**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:03 am What happened to my prey?

Have a look at EOD and decide for yourself.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:28 am**

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:32 pm Wow, what a fun turn of events. In general, I don’t do early game reads. I rely a lot on meta to be able to read people and I don’t have that here obviously. The amount of jargon and the way people post here have been jarring I guess (it has been very hard for me to get into the game) and I think contributed to what people are calling stilted.
Who should it be if not you?
My vote would be Lon Con but you've made it well known that you disagree with that suggestion.
Why does his opinion matter more than your own when it comes to your vote?
I think that was phrased poorly. I'm still going to vote for you. My point was that I highly doubtful that he (and others) would follow. I'm not voting for Sloonie (the current 2nd place vote getter), he's one of the people that I'm most confident is town. If we're going to lynch a townie, I'd far rather have it be a suspicious townie than a wild last minute swing onto someone that is generally regarded as trusted. Suspicious townies muddle the waters, as has been evident.

What

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:28 am**

How do you differentiate between “suspicious” town and just scum, or rather, why don’t you do that, lol

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:33 am**

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:23 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:16 pm Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?
Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.

I don’t buy the “I’m suspicious wherever I am” You managed to place yourself firmly in people’s town lists within the span of 5 to 10 posts. It’s either you’re presenting an unfair assessment of your situation in games or you are scum that’s using that as a leverage to get town read. Quite frankly, I would like to see some of your games and see whether that is the truth.

What I draw from this is that you are bound to get pushed as either alignment.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:35 am**

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:24 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:23 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:16 pm Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?
Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.
......I see. So you do think LC is scum but he's a less-bad loss if he flips town than a more consensus townie would be (I'm not sure I'd call Sloonei a consensus townie at this point, but that's another conversation)
Umm, yes. Was there a question in there? I'm not 100% sure I understood it correctly.

I think the main point against Sloonei has been the dramatic shift in activity compared to early game, but I don't think that weight strongly against his earlier behaviour which was pretty pro-town in my eyes.

What activities were pro-town? Spool your thoughts. Quote posts that made you feel some type of way.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:39 am**

Her only townie post is the Long Con one

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:11 am**

Sigh going to bed without a flip. Epi lose internet or something?

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:42 am**

The power of my flip is so great it has rendered the host MIA!

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:04 am**

Intergalactic scholarship has discovered that walking four miles and two hours of Monkey in the Middle in 90+ degree weather leads to exhaustion and dehydration.

I am sorry for falling asleep.

I have an online meeting this morning an then I'll be with you.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:33 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:04 am Intergalactic scholarship has discovered that walking four miles and two hours of Monkey in the Middle in 90+ degree weather leads to exhaustion and dehydration.

I am sorry for falling asleep.

I have an online meeting this morning an then I'll be with you.

Finally! A man can't even get an executioner in timely fashion these days! My necks been in this thing for hours!

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:44 am**

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:51 am**

It looks like this one wasn't stealthy enough to evade the senors of the wronged.

Soneji has been destroyed. He was the pilot of the Stealth Cruiser.

Spoiler: show

It is now Night 3. You have until 8pm EST to submit your PMs.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:53 am**

bummer dude

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:57 am**

Good tier
nutella
MacDougall

Good tier that I don't feel like I can put in the same category
tedxtr
Sloonei
Myo

Bad tier
Jiwon
Long Con
motobot
sig

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:12 am**

Of course none of the players that just lynched a Civ are bad. Of course.

Your credibility is getting pretty stretched.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:20 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:12 am Of course none of the players that just lynched a Civ are bad. Of course.

Your credibility is getting pretty stretched.

Two of them hot potatoed a mafioso at the last second on Day 1, one of them is me, and the other had a decent EOD. Your view of my credibility means about fecking dick to me.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:25 am**

I haven’t nearly the faith in my reads that I’d like to have on any Night 3. This is the game though, and I have tried numerous ways to fix that. I could have lynched literally seven people yesterday.

This is not an environment where my methods are likely to be effective. I’m trying to adapt; I am afraid there are limits to that.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:57 am**

Ha, I had Soneji town

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:05 am**

I’m giving Jay one more chance before I start looking his direction, and that is to find the scum in Myo and Jiwon.

That’s the ultimatum, if he picks wrong, my bloodlust for him will trump my policy lynching tendencies for lurkers

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:06 am**

It’s always Jay’s fault

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:03 pm**

Ugh lame

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:05 am I’m giving Jay one more chance before I start looking his direction, and that is to find the scum in Myo and Jiwon.

That’s the ultimatum, if he picks wrong, my bloodlust for him will trump my policy lynching tendencies for lurkers

How do you know there is a scum in those two? What if neither of both are? Like I guess in that case one flipping town technically increases the probability jay is bad lol (he isn't) but like. Huh

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:59 pm**

I'm acknowledging that player pool as the only newcomer pool that has a chance to flip mafia. Jay has been entertaining the fact that the scums are in newcomers.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:32 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:03 pm Ugh lame

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:05 am I’m giving Jay one more chance before I start looking his direction, and that is to find the scum in Myo and Jiwon.

That’s the ultimatum, if he picks wrong, my bloodlust for him will trump my policy lynching tendencies for lurkers
How do you know there is a scum in those two? What if neither of both are? Like I guess in that case one flipping town technically increases the probability jay is bad lol (he isn't) but like. Huh

I get why the Day 1 Jack voters get Civ cred. Is your cred for JJJ just based on his playstyle this game, or something more concrete?

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:45 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:59 pm I'm acknowledging that player pool as the only newcomer pool that has a chance to flip mafia. Jay has been entertaining the fact that the scums are in newcomers.

Broaden this concept to “unreadable quiet players” which includes the new people, motobot, and had to an extent even reflected dear departed Soneji.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:10 pm**

I read all of them town except for possibly Myo but I'm acknowledging a=the possibility of being wrong on scum!her.

I could also be wrong on town!Jiwon because her last batch of posts have been just absolutely horrible.

But I'm sticking by my reads and if they're wrong, it is what it is. The only person I'm feeling mafia is Myo. And I'm still waiting for an explanation of her meta on her site.

She argued that she is being suspected all the time, but she town cleared herself within the span of 5 posts at EoD by the vets. She's either blatantly lying or her fellow players have to be pretty bad. What I get from that is that her scum game HAS to be similar to her town game.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:19 pm**

I think you vets should bolster your bonds between each other and seek out who the weak link might be.

The game state feels weird because nobody is really talking about the people that they know. You have easy reads between each other, start forming town cores and then we can see if there's scum out of the vets.

There's slight pushes on Long Con and sig. Read their ISOs, give a conclusion, that's where the general consensus goes as to "they might be scum, but ehhhhhhhhhh", or at least how I see the game state.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:20 pm**

I'll say that Myo's EOD wasn't quite as pure as Spacedaisy's had been before her. It was enough to make me think a different direction was warranted, and unfortunately I interpreted some of Soneji's last posts wrongly.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:22 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:03 pm Ugh lame

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:05 am I’m giving Jay one more chance before I start looking his direction, and that is to find the scum in Myo and Jiwon.

That’s the ultimatum, if he picks wrong, my bloodlust for him will trump my policy lynching tendencies for lurkers
How do you know there is a scum in those two? What if neither of both are? Like I guess in that case one flipping town technically increases the probability jay is bad lol (he isn't) but like. Huh
I get why the Day 1 Jack voters get Civ cred. Is your cred for JJJ just based on his playstyle this game, or something more concrete?

Yes

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:23 pm**

I interpreted it as busy work to escape the lynch. Pretty much avoided the lynch then dipped.

Doesn't even care about Long Con or me or anyone that she took the time to talk about / place them in scum leans.

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