The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:33 pm**

okay so we've got

next two night kills:
tutuu
alison

obvtown:
Colin
10k
proto but I can't remember why

??:
nanook
ted

wolves:
mac?
carot

scheduled misyeet:
drwilgy

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:16 am**

well thread's dead so life update: I got a broken mini electric organ at a thrift store and it is now a fully functioning mini electric organ. stay tuned for more updates.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:10 pm Mac, are you bad?

No I am obvious when I am mafia. Obvious in a "he's mafia but I can't actually get him yeeted" kinda way.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:33 pm okay so we've got

next two night kills:
tutuu
alison

obvtown:
Colin
10k
proto but I can't remember why

??:
nanook
ted

wolves:
mac?
carot

scheduled misyeet:
drwilgy

This is not how any town I've ever seen has solved a game.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:50 am**

The mafia are quite obviously TSP and Wilgy fmpov.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:12 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:10 pm Mac, are you bad?
No I am obvious when I am mafia. Obvious in a "he's mafia but I can't actually get him yeeted" kinda way.

Arbitrarily I think this is what you are

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:13 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:33 pm okay so we've got

next two night kills:
tutuu
alison

obvtown:
Colin
10k
proto but I can't remember why

??:
nanook
ted

wolves:
mac?
carot

scheduled misyeet:
drwilgy
This is not how any town I've ever seen has solved a game.

is it accurate?

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:13 am**

maybe colin's a wolf but I have a mental note telling me not to think this and I'm trusting it

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:18 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:12 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:10 pm Mac, are you bad?
No I am obvious when I am mafia. Obvious in a "he's mafia but I can't actually get him yeeted" kinda way.
Arbitrarily I think this is what you are

It's pretty obvious to me that you haven't actually earnestly analysed anything in a non surface level way so even if you're town this is a garbage baseless take that'll lose town the game on your back. You know better than to play this way. Your entire tone is sporadic and manic and totally unlike any TSP I've ever seen. I am very clearly my town self. I am nothing like Pyre and Space Invaders, games you played with me. I cannot believe you think this is accurate and now I am even more convinced you are mafia.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:31 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:18 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:12 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:10 pm Mac, are you bad?
No I am obvious when I am mafia. Obvious in a "he's mafia but I can't actually get him yeeted" kinda way.
Arbitrarily I think this is what you are
It's pretty obvious to me that you haven't actually earnestly analysed anything in a non surface level way so even if you're town this is a garbage baseless take that'll lose town the game on your back. You know better than to play this way. Your entire tone is sporadic and manic and totally unlike any TSP I've ever seen. I am very clearly my town self. I am nothing like Pyre and Space Invaders, games you played with me. I cannot believe you think this is accurate and now I am even more convinced you are mafia.

Joe. Calm down. I just played a game where I got beaten up by a wolf team I could do nothing about for two weeks. I move back to school this week and have a lot of work to do in preparation. I'm only sporadically around for the thread and I'm only sporadically even on the internet at all, and the entire reason I'm here is to relax. You're right. I haven't earnestly analysed anything in a non surface level way. The one non-this-is-how-this-post-makes-me-feel take I've had is that Amy was in prime position to have bussed and that went nowhere.

I don't think you're very clearly your town self, for what it's worth. Your spurt of energy going into day 2 reminded me of you in day 3 of GOC or day 4? of Fallout, or even late game in that one amrock mash turbo. You were a wolf in all of those games too. I'm not going to try to push you today. I admitted as much in the post you're yelling about. Maybe I'll get around to actually ISOing Carot, or more accurately just trying to wrap my head around if Carot's day 2 feels wolfy or not wrt to how she interacted with me because that's all I remember.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:43 am**

I do feel off this game. I feel like I have to fulfill some newly developed meta schtick and also finally get a town win and learn how to control a town all while pretending not to care at all and maybe actually not caring. It's unbalancing. And the only reason I think you're a wolf is because you're an unbalancing factor here.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:44 am**

I'm voting for Ted for now.

It can't be ted / 112 / carotte though, something to consider

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:47 am**

You can arbitrarily unalign ted/proto. Proto's hellbent comment probably makes most sense with a pure wagon and Ted is probably the wolfiest person on the Urist wagon, excluding me if you both think I actually count as being on the Urist wagon and am wolfy

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:47 am**

Carotte, did you think I was wolfy in SF1?

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:04 am**

if alison is maf anyone on the 112 wagom could be her buddy

i might vote 10k

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:19 am**

i cant wait for f5 (which is without a doubt coming)

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:24 am**

On the bright side mafia has to make 3 more kills. 1 of them i think will be on mac, then they run out of optimal kills. maybe in f5 where im alive with alison a lot of worlds are cleaned up so it wont be that scary. im rly rly hoping im one of those 2 kills, can i make a selfish request for u guys not to tinfoil me since i have an abysmal win record at lylo situations as town (literally 10% or less) and if idie its better for town trust me

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:30 am**

I think i have a lot of misconceptions and bad habits about mafia since when i was learning it i used to be very weird and still am but more before so i made "discoveries" back then that i took to heart but they werent based off of good stuff so its like even worse than a new mafia player cuz at least their head would be clear and my head is clouded

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:35 am**

In 2 hours im getting my wisdom tooth pulled out my mom bought me a lot of calming meds and ive never felt like this since i was a kid, my heart pulse is normal, i dont feel constantly afraid of everything and constantly needing to apologize for everything its nice. so this is how alison feels like 24/7? im kinda jealous. i woke up and felt like turning on the TV and watching powerpuff girls on cartoon network and being 7. rly wanna be a kid again. im 22 im so old im basically half dead from old age dude

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:40 am**

Don't worry I will slank and tilt people today and it'll make mafia not shoot me.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:48 am**

Maybe mafia is entirely about randomness and when we make a correct read we fool ourselves into thinking we understand the person. cuz like urist was town, and i thought i had reasons to townread him, but he could have been scum here. so if i were to tell myself "i understoof urist" maybe thats a lie. is it also a lie for ppl to say they understood 112 as she flipped scum? Maybe, maybe not. Its still fun to play russian roulette (mafia) with friends, but i dont think (mafia) is anything more than that

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:51 am**

Maybe the concept of reads is just to roleplay. Like sherlock holmes, pretend youre a detective or an interrogator. Just something u do to enhance the fun. But in reality reads dont exist. The concept of reads doesnt make sense, it cant be real.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:56 am**

Most reads are functionally random

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:59 am**

Thanks nanook-kun. I agree. How can our reads be real if our eyes aren't? Maybe people like you have it figred out. Just pop in every few hours, make a chill post, go back to chilling. Maybe ill start doing this too. Maybe it's not dialing back, maybe this is the way forward

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:09 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:24 am On the bright side mafia has to make 3 more kills. 1 of them i think will be on mac, then they run out of optimal kills. maybe in f5 where im alive with alison a lot of worlds are cleaned up so it wont be that scary. im rly rly hoping im one of those 2 kills, can i make a selfish request for u guys not to tinfoil me since i have an abysmal win record at lylo situations as town (literally 10% or less) and if idie its better for town trust me

It’s sorta you and Alison tbh unless you think anyone else is more towny

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:10 am**

Yeh my post quantity is largely game dependent. I still play the occasional upick or Jack Attack game where I post a good deal, but that’s more about who’s in the game/joking around tbh. I also wouldn’t really say it’s more effective, my reads tend to be about as accurate either way. Maybe a bit more accurate when I’m detached a bit actually, but idk. I just don’t have the desire/stamina to throw myself that much into every game tho, and even if I did I don’t think it’s productive or healthy for me to, so

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:10 am**

But yeah as far as reads go...most people have rand or close to rand reads. Most people also don’t like to admit this xD

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:12 am**

Myself included btw, I think last time I charted my reads I was 2 or 3% above random lol

That was awhile ago maybe I should do that again and see if I’ve improved in two years or not

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:19 am**

If my reads are rand I'll eat a hat.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:20 am**

How do u calculate random accuracy?

A correct townread has 3 times less weight than an incorrect townread since its 3 times less likely to happen

How do u calculate weight for scumreads, and how do u compare it to the weight of townreads?

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:22 am**

More likely not less likely

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:24 am**

Unless its all just 50%. U either make a correct read or u dont

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:28 am**

Easiest just to calc separately, town read accuracy and scum read accuracy

I'm very basic at math tbh

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:06 am**

i cancelled my dentist appointment im the biggest crybaby in the world. last time they pulled out a wisdom tooth they had to stop cuz i fainted and cried. maybe i need to completely get rid of all stress until tomorrow so i can do this. this means no mafia no social media especially reddit cuz im sick of reading about american politics, no action movies no action games no nothing starting from now. i need soothness and tranquility. i wish my ego could die. imagine being a person without a sense of identity or self. wouldnt that be ... amazing? Maybe i need to become like the Avatar except instead of attaining Air, Water, Earth and Fire what i need to do is lose Ego, Attachment, Expectations and Paranoia. Only then can I hopefully become one with the Cosmos.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:25 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:47 am You can arbitrarily unalign ted/proto. Proto's hellbent comment probably makes most sense with a pure wagon and Ted is probably the wolfiest person on the Urist wagon, excluding me if you both think I actually count as being on the Urist wagon and am wolfy

You can unalign everyone because I'm not a wolf this game, sorry to inform you

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:48 am**

Did someone say avatar

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:54 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:18 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:12 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:10 pm Mac, are you bad?
No I am obvious when I am mafia. Obvious in a "he's mafia but I can't actually get him yeeted" kinda way.
Arbitrarily I think this is what you are
It's pretty obvious to me that you haven't actually earnestly analysed anything in a non surface level way so even if you're town this is a garbage baseless take that'll lose town the game on your back. You know better than to play this way. Your entire tone is sporadic and manic and totally unlike any TSP I've ever seen. I am very clearly my town self. I am nothing like Pyre and Space Invaders, games you played with me. I cannot believe you think this is accurate and now I am even more convinced you are mafia.
Joe. Calm down. I just played a game where I got beaten up by a wolf team I could do nothing about for two weeks. I move back to school this week and have a lot of work to do in preparation. I'm only sporadically around for the thread and I'm only sporadically even on the internet at all, and the entire reason I'm here is to relax. You're right. I haven't earnestly analysed anything in a non surface level way. The one non-this-is-how-this-post-makes-me-feel take I've had is that Amy was in prime position to have bussed and that went nowhere.

I don't think you're very clearly your town self, for what it's worth. Your spurt of energy going into day 2 reminded me of you in day 3 of GOC or day 4? of Fallout, or even late game in that one amrock mash turbo. You were a wolf in all of those games too. I'm not going to try to push you today. I admitted as much in the post you're yelling about. Maybe I'll get around to actually ISOing Carot, or more accurately just trying to wrap my head around if Carot's day 2 feels wolfy or not wrt to how she interacted with me because that's all I remember.

If you're not mafia the team is literally just Wilgy and Carot. So look there.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:58 am**

Can anyone see a potential world of Mac and TSP? Not super pushing it since it's unlikely but can we consider it?

Tutuu has now voted on and killed 2 town. She will say she was sheeping the votes on day 2 but it's a little convenient. Don't think they are ever dying in the next night phase.

Nothing else super constructive re game or finding scum/town.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:10 am**

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:58 am She will say she was sheeping the votes on day 2 but it's a little convenient

i mean its also literally the truth

also u dont know alison is town

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:06 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:47 am Carotte, did you think I was wolfy in SF1?

Not really. I remember trying to convince TK you were townie. lolz

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:06 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:50 am The mafia are quite obviously TSP and Wilgy fmpov.

Wilgy?

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:09 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:06 am i cancelled my dentist appointment im the biggest crybaby in the world. last time they pulled out a wisdom tooth they had to stop cuz i fainted and cried. maybe i need to completely get rid of all stress until tomorrow so i can do this. this means no mafia no social media especially reddit cuz im sick of reading about american politics, no action movies no action games no nothing starting from now. i need soothness and tranquility. i wish my ego could die. imagine being a person without a sense of identity or self. wouldnt that be ... amazing? Maybe i need to become like the Avatar except instead of attaining Air, Water, Earth and Fire what i need to do is lose Ego, Attachment, Expectations and Paranoia. Only then can I hopefully become one with the Cosmos.

I mean, getting wisdom teeth out is pretty hardcore and difficult in the moment.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:12 am**

I read through ted’s posts again and I reiterate that he is town.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:13 am**

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:58 am Can anyone see a potential world of Mac and TSP? Not super pushing it since it's unlikely but can we consider it?

Tutuu has now voted on and killed 2 town. She will say she was sheeping the votes on day 2 but it's a little convenient. Don't think they are ever dying in the next night phase.

Nothing else super constructive re game or finding scum/town.

Mac/TSP world means they both agreed to bus 112 super early and that they're still bussing, unlikely

tutuu has a good point. How do you know Alison is town?

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:13 am**

Anybody know if Alison is the type of player that would make this post to a scummate so early on?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:45 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:14 am Town
tutuu
Amy
Urist
Mac
I hate this post.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:14 am**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:13 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:58 am Can anyone see a potential world of Mac and TSP? Not super pushing it since it's unlikely but can we consider it?

Tutuu has now voted on and killed 2 town. She will say she was sheeping the votes on day 2 but it's a little convenient. Don't think they are ever dying in the next night phase.

Nothing else super constructive re game or finding scum/town.
Mac/TSP world means they both agreed to bus 112 super early and that they're still bussing, unlikely

tutuu has a good point. How do you know Alison is town?

Re: your first graf — does it? Mac didn’t vote for 112 until right before EOD, which sure fine, wolf killed, but we’ve all seen wolves coast to victory doing that exact thing.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:15 am**

aaaaaaah is this a slip is this a slip???
Why was proto towncored in the first place?

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:18 am**

Hell, Alison pretty much dogged 112 from the get-go and didn’t let up. If there’s any pre-determined bus plan, it’s there ... but I don’t think there is. I doubt the mafia were truly planning on dunking one of their own from the very first.

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:19 am**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:15 am aaaaaaah is this a slip is this a slip???
Why was proto towncored in the first place?

Hmm

Posted: **Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:20 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:14 am
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:13 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:58 am Can anyone see a potential world of Mac and TSP? Not super pushing it since it's unlikely but can we consider it?

Tutuu has now voted on and killed 2 town. She will say she was sheeping the votes on day 2 but it's a little convenient. Don't think they are ever dying in the next night phase.

Nothing else super constructive re game or finding scum/town.
Mac/TSP world means they both agreed to bus 112 super early and that they're still bussing, unlikely

tutuu has a good point. How do you know Alison is town?
Re: your first graf — does it? Mac didn’t vote for 112 until right before EOD, which sure fine, wolf killed, but we’ve all seen wolves coast to victory doing that exact thing.

graf?
They both opened pretty aggressively against 112 and they're thunderdomingish each other. I don't think TSP/Mac team thinks their best shot is to bus this aggressively

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