The Syndicate

okay so my lizard brain has been saying 'at least 1 wolf was under fire when the gavial wagon started up' but i distinctly remember amy *not* voting there for a while, and wanting to wait to see more from seth before plopping a vote
which i.. think is a better look than not?
her initial vote didnt feel very 'lets just go for the easy af LHF' but i got the feeling she believed what she was reppin' and also trying to give him a chance to step it up, rather than stomp on him

also i dont think amy complaining about overnight wallposts is AI at all tbh

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:22 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:21 pm because it's the same sentiment. As in you're aggressively pushing things like this that are NAI

i just mean like

that kind of wording is normal for you, it's not for amy i dont think

and i don't think it's nai given her attitude toward the chop yesterday

its not abnormal for amy

quit trying to pocket me smh

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:24 pm I'd actually like your read on Amy sunbae (and Zack)

Don't have to give it now if you want, but sometime today

who's read?

Amy is probably my top town

sunbae i have somewhat town vibes on

and zack is in my null pile

if dya and amy are both town i would love to work with them and also hear what they think of zack

Outed Wolf,

I'll get one done at some point. I wanna see where the thread goes and am trying to not uh, run point, as much as I did in rocks fall cause that didn't super work out great lol. Gonna try and gather some thoughts and present them in an easily digestible way either late, late tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

why is literally nobody engaging with me on my marl read

this is legit one of the things i said was weird about his slot
and its still happening!!!

am i crazy?

ive gotta go for a bit but like
whatze heck

Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm why is literally nobody engaging with me on my marl read

this is legit one of the things i said was weird about his slot
and its still happening!!!

am i crazy?

ive gotta go for a bit but like
whatze heck

I dont know how to accurately read a marl

Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm why is literally nobody engaging with me on my marl read

this is legit one of the things i said was weird about his slot
and its still happening!!!

am i crazy?

ive gotta go for a bit but like
whatze heck

i kinda keep forgetting about him which is probably a bad sign

i do agree with you that his ~*~fire~*~ is nonexistent

Chloe, I'd multiquote all of my Marl thoughts but I can't seem to get MQ's to work across pages on this site? Please check my iso as I had quite a few similar frustrations throughout day 1. Would love to hear your thoughts on the things I said about him including the villagery responses I found once I interacted some. I'm still very much on the fence there.

i have been very whelmed by marl's posting

mayhaps this is a wolftell oops

oh i never voted

[VOTE: Marluxion] aubergine
p sure this is how i do this

sunbae your response is acknowledged and i'll read your iso in just a bit, thank you!

Feel I've had zero impact on anything that's happened in this game so far and it's a bit frustrating. Just can't seem to get into the vibe/flow of things and a lot of the interactions between people have either been a bit too tense for me to insert myself into, about meta I can't follow, or about people that know each other very well and are perfectly fine doing their own back and forth without much comment from the peanut gallery.

Gonna just lurk for a while and see if I can improve on a few things myself

i have decided i am going to be lazy and call chloe a villager

[VOTE: Marluxion] aubergine

Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:33 pm i have decided i am going to be lazy and call chloe a villager

[VOTE: Marluxion] aubergine

tangy was my other top town, so chloe can be for now

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:31 pm Feel I've had zero impact on anything that's happened in this game so far and it's a bit frustrating. Just can't seem to get into the vibe/flow of things and a lot of the interactions between people have either been a bit too tense for me to insert myself into, about meta I can't follow, or about people that know each other very well and are perfectly fine doing their own back and forth without much comment from the peanut gallery.

Gonna just lurk for a while and see if I can improve on a few things myself

i think you've had quite an impact fmpov and are p much my top villager (maybe behind vulgard)

i've enjoyed reading your thoughts, even if they've been a bit more stream of consciousness than interactive

so can we also talk about how alison might have TMI on gav town?

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:21 pm Yo Zack where's your head at

dunno, truth be told i am finding it hard to give much of a shit, maybe tomorrow when i have some more time i can dig my big meaty claws into the game (or maybe not )

i don't feel strongly about much, if anything - i'm planning to mostly just sponge you and sunbae

gg hally shame that you died before we got a chance to really put our heads together, but im glad i townread you correctly at least :P

i can def understand how this game has felt more like people talking around each other rather than to each other

well, gimme a yell when you're ready to dig in zack/sunbae

Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm why is literally nobody engaging with me on my marl read

this is legit one of the things i said was weird about his slot
and its still happening!!!

am i crazy?

ive gotta go for a bit but like
whatze heck

welcome to the sunbae/outed wolf/bronana "why the heck do people think marl is so town" club, we have jackets

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:31 pm Feel I've had zero impact on anything that's happened in this game so far and it's a bit frustrating. Just can't seem to get into the vibe/flow of things and a lot of the interactions between people have either been a bit too tense for me to insert myself into, about meta I can't follow, or about people that know each other very well and are perfectly fine doing their own back and forth without much comment from the peanut gallery.

Gonna just lurk for a while and see if I can improve on a few things myself

mood lol

KZA wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:30 pm k nutella is good and spicy and hally cut me off to mindmeld me so those are my towns

KZA wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:45 pm SPF saying "this is a wolf" at this stage feels pretty good and similar to how she did it in Fargo as town

Personally I have 0 confidence in reading Gavial tho

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm hot(?) take is that Gavial received way too much heat from too many directions for his 4 post entrance and is probably just town

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.

Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.

now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange

I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town

it feels to me like KZA's attempts to get into the game involved them accidentally TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers. they correctly called gavial a villager, they correctly called hally a villager, they correctly called me a villager, and i'm tempted to believe that the other townreads they dropped are ~more likely to be town than not. i don't know if kza, who knew that they would die before long, would bother popping into the thread to defend alison if alison was partnered w/them. i also think their treatment of nutella points even more to nutella being town.

there might be a drop-off in presence from me today - i have a lot going on this weekend. there are thoughts rattling around in my brain but they haven't fully developed yet

chloe's tone feels a little ....stilted to me? i just get a really distinct sense of discomfort from the way that she's speaking, and i don't know if that's typical for her towngame. this is a half-developed thought but i'm speaking it into existence in hopes that it'll go somewhere

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:44 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:30 pm k nutella is good and spicy and hally cut me off to mindmeld me so those are my towns

KZA wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:45 pm SPF saying "this is a wolf" at this stage feels pretty good and similar to how she did it in Fargo as town

Personally I have 0 confidence in reading Gavial tho

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm hot(?) take is that Gavial received way too much heat from too many directions for his 4 post entrance and is probably just town

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.

Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.

now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange

I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town

it feels to me like KZA's attempts to get into the game involved them accidentally TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers. they correctly called gavial a villager, they correctly called hally a villager, they correctly called me a villager, and i'm tempted to believe that the other townreads they dropped are ~more likely to be town than not. i don't know if kza, who knew that they would die before long, would bother popping into the thread to defend alison if alison was partnered w/them. i also think their treatment of nutella points even more to nutella being town.

there might be a drop-off in presence from me today - i have a lot going on this weekend. there are thoughts rattling around in my brain but they haven't fully developed yet

I can see that, those reads were all flimsy and kind of silly

any good ideas on who the wolves are? asking for a friend

guess you all are puckered out after crafting your overnight walls and bantering with each other right after flips

how am i supposed to keep up my blendy wolf charade if everyone scatters when i arrive smh

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:58 pm guess you all are puckered out after crafting your overnight walls and bantering with each other right after flips

how am i supposed to keep up my blendy wolf charade if everyone scatters when i arrive smh

what reads do you have rn?

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:48 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:44 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:30 pm k nutella is good and spicy and hally cut me off to mindmeld me so those are my towns

KZA wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:45 pm SPF saying "this is a wolf" at this stage feels pretty good and similar to how she did it in Fargo as town

Personally I have 0 confidence in reading Gavial tho

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm hot(?) take is that Gavial received way too much heat from too many directions for his 4 post entrance and is probably just town

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.

Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.

now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange

I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town

it feels to me like KZA's attempts to get into the game involved them accidentally TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers. they correctly called gavial a villager, they correctly called hally a villager, they correctly called me a villager, and i'm tempted to believe that the other townreads they dropped are ~more likely to be town than not. i don't know if kza, who knew that they would die before long, would bother popping into the thread to defend alison if alison was partnered w/them. i also think their treatment of nutella points even more to nutella being town.

there might be a drop-off in presence from me today - i have a lot going on this weekend. there are thoughts rattling around in my brain but they haven't fully developed yet

I can see that, those reads were all flimsy and kind of silly

any good ideas on who the wolves are? asking for a friend

not really

i've been thinking about how the majority of the people on the gavial wagon throughout d1 were people that i either townread or felt good about. the fact that i townread nearly everyone on the gavial wagon throughout d1 made me feel more confident about him being a wolf at the time, but in retrospect, i think that the wolves most likely let the villagers do the majority of the pushing on gavial throughout the day, and then jumped on/helped cement it toward the end

like, my memory is that the gavial wagon was primarily me/hally/c4/amy/nutella throughout the majority of d1. when me and hally switched our votes to KZA, a whole bunch of other people jumped onto the wagon and made sure that it went through (ie: the final gavial wagon was outed wolf, broana, amy, c4, vulgard, dyachei, marluxion, tangrowth).

this indicates to me that the most telling information about the gavial wagon in general will be the last couple of hours of the day, when it looked like there was a real possibility that the momentum would shift against KZA

as for who the wolves are? i dunno. i still have good feelings about nutella/c4/amy/arete in basically that exact order, and i feel like i need to re-ISO names like marluxion/tangrowth/you/outed wolf/etc to make sure that my reads have a good foundation. i'm kinda just in the "feeling stuff out" stage right now

i also am doubtful that the dynamic between you/sunbae/outed wolf is 100% pure, but i'm reluctant to speak further on that before i investigate further, because it feels like i'm just injecting paranoia into the thread otherwise

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:59 pm i think i stand by my list that i posted earlier

vig kza, glgl

this was hally's last post, i believe they're referring to the following list:

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:29 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:18 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:15 pm i think there’s a nonzero chance gavial flips villager here but i really can’t deal with this for another day phase so i’m choosing to not care

what do your reads look like outside of gavial, generally?

good question, i don’t really know

nutella
vulgard
arete
marl

^ these should all be villagers

sunbae
amy
spf
dizzy

^ i have positive feelings about these but wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a wolf playing well here given the names

c4
zack
visor
alison
dya
tangy

^ i don’t really have a concrete read on these so i assume a couple of them are wolves

kza

^ he’s probably just a wolf

as you can tell i don’t really have a firm handle on the game

arete being that high confuses me, afaict it's sheeping vulgard? I ctrl+f'd the most recent page of hally's iso and their interactions with arete mostly seemed skeptical of what areta was saying, then sheep vulgard and arete's in the top tier. lmk if i'm missing something here (to anyone).

other than arete and marl this is probably around where i am, actually, though i'd bump visor up and i'm a little more lukewarm on amy and dizzy than hally was. I'm a little paranoid of nutella/vulgard but meh, basically just dumb unreasoned tinfoil

@Chloe

I don't know how to ask this question in a way that doesn't sound like I'm complaining about not being townread so please just treat it as a totally neutral question about your process

given your familiarity with my and Vul's reads on each other why does Vul's read on me seem to not be influencing your thought process at all

who are teh wolves arete

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:19 pm who are teh wolves arete

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

all I have are townreads and nulls (pending sorting Chloe)

on that note I liked Dizzy's EoD even though I disliked every other part of his day

it felt like he actually believed in/cared about his reads

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:17 pm @Chloe

I don't know how to ask this question in a way that doesn't sound like I'm complaining about not being townread so please just treat it as a totally neutral question about your process

given your familiarity with my and Vul's reads on each other why does Vul's read on me seem to not be influencing your thought process at all

is his godread on you as good as his godread on gavial?

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:24 pm I'd actually like your read on Amy sunbae (and Zack)

Don't have to give it now if you want, but sometime today

who's read?

Amy is probably my top town

sunbae i have somewhat town vibes on

and zack is in my null pile

Why's Amy your top town?

Also does that change if you know for a fact that I'm town?

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:27 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:17 pm @Chloe

I don't know how to ask this question in a way that doesn't sound like I'm complaining about not being townread so please just treat it as a totally neutral question about your process

given your familiarity with my and Vul's reads on each other why does Vul's read on me seem to not be influencing your thought process at all

is his godread on you as good as his godread on gavial?

his godread on me is real and supported by an extensive history of games as both V/V and V/W

Vulgard is probably town. I think he genuinely thought Gavial was scum.

I am considering sunbae's argument that they are townie for bringing up KZA. I have not read the context and will probably do so shortly.

The people who are most likely mafia here are the people who have been hammering the "Gavial always D1, and then Alison if he flips town for TMI" because that reeks of lining up misexes to me. Which means Amy and maybe dya.

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:29 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:27 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:17 pm @Chloe

I don't know how to ask this question in a way that doesn't sound like I'm complaining about not being townread so please just treat it as a totally neutral question about your process

given your familiarity with my and Vul's reads on each other why does Vul's read on me seem to not be influencing your thought process at all

is his godread on you as good as his godread on gavial?

his godread on me is real and supported by an extensive history of games as both V/V and V/W

much like his extensive history of games with seth eh?

sunbae wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:51 am

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:59 am So. Dya then?

Where else we thinking

kza?

enter thread -> couple quick town reads -> pop out -> pop back in d2 to say gav has gotten too much heat to be wolf -> a quick question -> pop out again

Seems like a reasonable posting sequence for a wolf thats just gonna kick back for a bit and let people yell at each other and go through some general motions for a bit

I'm fine with giving sunbae a one-day pass for this. It's a pretty unnecessary bus on someone who (at that point) didn't seem likely to flip.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:28 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:24 pm I'd actually like your read on Amy sunbae (and Zack)

Don't have to give it now if you want, but sometime today

who's read?

Amy is probably my top town

sunbae i have somewhat town vibes on

and zack is in my null pile

Why's Amy your top town?

Also does that change if you know for a fact that I'm town?

some of it is her thought process in thread matching to her meta that i've gathered. Some of it is her snarkiness. mostly it's her approach to the thread

and how would i know for a fact you're town?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:30 pm Vulgard is probably town. I think he genuinely thought Gavial was scum.

I am considering sunbae's argument that they are townie for bringing up KZA. I have not read the context and will probably do so shortly.

The people who are most likely mafia here are the people who have been hammering the "Gavial always D1, and then Alison if he flips town for TMI" because that reeks of lining up misexes to me. Which means Amy and maybe dya.

agree re: vulgard
and to a lesser extent on the amy/dya thing, if you're town

i don't think you were around for eod but can you talk about what your thought process was whenever you were last on before it, and after the flip? about gavial and/or whatever else

and also do you have thoughts on bronana? think i remember you sring him a bit?

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:12 pm also who would have figured hally was vig bc i sure didnt lol

Hally kill is mega weird considering the rest of the factors going on. Not many villa reads there so there had to be a big pr read, but then the shot went off too so they didn't roleblock knowing KZA was gonna be blasted 90% of the time? Have a few ideas of what it could mean rolling around in my head but I'll work em before bogging the thread down with theories

Yes it is mega weird actually.

It probably means Dizzy is scum.

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:33 pm
some of it is her thought process in thread matching to her meta that i've gathered. Some of it is her snarkiness. mostly it's her approach to the thread

and how would i know for a fact you're town?

I'm saying hypothetically I flipped green right now, how would that affect your read on Amy?

i dont think it would do too much to my read on amy? might make her less confident town?

but her read on you is not why im townreading her

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:34 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:12 pm also who would have figured hally was vig bc i sure didnt lol

Hally kill is mega weird considering the rest of the factors going on. Not many villa reads there so there had to be a big pr read, but then the shot went off too so they didn't roleblock knowing KZA was gonna be blasted 90% of the time? Have a few ideas of what it could mean rolling around in my head but I'll work em before bogging the thread down with theories

Yes it is mega weird actually.

It probably means Dizzy is scum.

have you read dizzy's string of posts at eod? particularly the ones targeted at bronana

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:33 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:30 pm Vulgard is probably town. I think he genuinely thought Gavial was scum.

I am considering sunbae's argument that they are townie for bringing up KZA. I have not read the context and will probably do so shortly.

The people who are most likely mafia here are the people who have been hammering the "Gavial always D1, and then Alison if he flips town for TMI" because that reeks of lining up misexes to me. Which means Amy and maybe dya.

agree re: vulgard
and to a lesser extent on the amy/dya thing, if you're town

i don't think you were around for eod but can you talk about what your thought process was whenever you were last on before it, and after the flip? about gavial and/or whatever else

and also do you have thoughts on bronana? think i remember you sring him a bit?

I've moved on from the bronana scumread. His posting has been fine since then and it's been pointed out to me that his pillars of the town stuff was almost certainly just chilling with friends and not a pocket attempt. I still do not think the early 3-vote wagon on you was entirely pure. My thought process before EOD was Gavial was probably town but I didn't want to push that read too hard since Vulgard seemed to have a much stronger read on Gavial being scum and the record on him to back it up. My strongest townread at EOD1 was c4; after the flip I immediately went back to the people who were saying "if Gavial flips town, Alison is a wolf". I still think c4 has scum equity, and my best stab at a POE this game is [c4, dya, Amy] just based on agenda and the direction they're steering the game in.

I see c4 has entered D2 with a spirited defense of me and I'm not sure what to make about that. I don't think that defending me is by itself AI since he could just as easily think I'm doomed today and is just stepping aside to keep his hands clean. If there was a townie thing about that post it was noticing the reaction I had towards W/W suggestions versus W/V suggestions; that's something I don't think scum would notice, and it's enough for me to award him some town points and focus my scrutiny more on Amy and Dya.

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:35 pm i dont think it would do too much to my read on amy? might make her less confident town?

but her read on you is not why im townreading her

Okay but in that scenario Amy has literally tried to line up the exes of two townies, would you not take that into account at all?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:34 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:12 pm also who would have figured hally was vig bc i sure didnt lol

Hally kill is mega weird considering the rest of the factors going on. Not many villa reads there so there had to be a big pr read, but then the shot went off too so they didn't roleblock knowing KZA was gonna be blasted 90% of the time? Have a few ideas of what it could mean rolling around in my head but I'll work em before bogging the thread down with theories

Yes it is mega weird actually.

It probably means Dizzy is scum.

have you read dizzy's string of posts at eod? particularly the ones targeted at bronana

I did not read EOD closely past the point I left. I just went and checked the posts you were referring to and given that they were all chainsaw-defending KZA it doesn't give Dizzy any town points.

I amend my POE to include Dizzy in it; I think the Hally kill is much more likely to be made if Dizzy is on the team than if Dizzy is not.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:42 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:35 pm i dont think it would do too much to my read on amy? might make her less confident town?

but her read on you is not why im townreading her

Okay but in that scenario Amy has literally tried to line up the exes of two townies, would you not take that into account at all?

without you pointing out exactly that, no because i didnt notice that. also gav is kind of a special case

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:05 am if gav is town my desire to kill alison rises exponentially

This specifically should be a red flag once you confirm for a fact that I am town.

hmmm okay

i'm not loving these responses from you but i'm not sure if i can articulate why

there's just maybe something slightly off about your perspective. the c4 progression (heh) isn't making a ton of sense to me, and you also say the early votes on me weren't pure and yet dont put them in your subsequent poe

but part of me also still really believes your gavial stuff was genuine

idk


considering your view on dizzy though. i.... i think if you'll pardon me for making a bad dichotomy read, dizzy is likely to be a wolf if bronana isn't. i just feel worse about bronana atm