The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:This is mildly concerning.

Mafia strategy 101:

Set up a dilemma (or a trilemma, if you are that way inclined) whereby the lynch candidates have to vote each other in order to ensure survival.

Yeah, I am definitely not liking this current setup either; close votes leave themselves open to baddie manipulation as well.

I just voted for Dana. However, I do think Epi is civ this game so may change my vote to somewhere that *matters* more.

All these people online who haven't voted are making me nervous. So easy to switch the tide at the last possible second.

Enrique wrote:All these people online who haven't voted are making me nervous. So easy to switch the tide at the last possible second.

Agreed. This vote is insane.

Well my only possible shot at living is to vote Epi. Sorry man.

If ya'll would stop posting so damn much I might have a prayer, but I am skimming as fast as I can to catch up.

The arguments brought forth against me consist of the following:

1. My long-term strategy is to be an in-your-face bad guy. This coming from Long Con, who should know that doesn't work in a 30+ person game.
2. I am not hunting bad guys at all (even though I led the Day 1 lynch). This coming from MM, who voted Eloh.
3. Nothing, which is coming from Dana.
4. Enrique "doesn't get [me]."

Addendum: SD votes for me to save herself.

Consider if these are good reasons for your vote.

Be back in a second. Gotta go get Gilbert.

Well I've already expressed how I feel. I find made and epi suspicious so far this game.

I'll be shocked if Epig flips bad right now, honestly.

Hi Chris. Glad to know you still love me.

Changed my vote.

*votes Epignosis*

I seem to remember you getting juliets killed.

Chris wrote:Changed my vote.

*votes Epignosis*

I seem to remember you getting juliets killed.

That's right. I can lynch people all by myself.

sabie12 wrote:Well I've already expressed how I feel. I find made and epi suspicious so far this game.

When did you say you found Epig suspicious? I remember the comments about Made, but I don't remember you saying anything about Epig other than you're always a little wary of him just from a meta perspective.

That's one way to shrug off a bunch of opinions. People don't get me, so I'm not gonna bother to get involved, what?

I'm catching up and am on page 32. I need Togo voted made for now

Chris wrote:Changed my vote.

*votes Epignosis*

I seem to remember you getting juliets killed.

What does that have to do with anything? Civs lynch civs all the time.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'll be shocked if Epig flips bad right now, honestly.

This ^^

I don't always agree with him, but I am not seeing him as bad.

This whole lynch is definitely shady. I will go down until the end saying that I really see nothing suspect about what Epig has been doing this game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:Changed my vote.

*votes Epignosis*

I seem to remember you getting juliets killed.

What does that have to do with anything? Civs lynch civs all the time.

Something is better than nothing?

Shit, is there any vote I can make that you're okay with?

Enrique wrote:That's one way to shrug off a bunch of opinions. People don't get me, so I'm not gonna bother to get involved, what?

That's not what his post said.

In fact, most of the votes against him are pretty crappy reasons. He already stated why he was suspicious of you, yet you continue to ignore it.

Chris wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:Changed my vote.

*votes Epignosis*

I seem to remember you getting juliets killed.

What does that have to do with anything? Civs lynch civs all the time.

Something is better than nothing?

Shit, is there any vote I can make that you're okay with?

I'm just providing a counterpoint; you can vote whatever way you want. I just think you're wrong and your reasoning is incredibly weak. I also voted for juliets; does that make me bad? No.

bea wrote:attention!!!!

While the poll does end soon, the post and such isn't going up till roughly 11:30 est. Votes made after the poll ends should be bold and in red so that I can see them.

Carry on!

So votes can be changed until 11:30pm?

bea wrote:attention!!!!

While the poll does end soon, the post and such isn't going up till roughly 11:30 est. Votes made after the poll ends should be bold and in red so that I can see them.

Carry on!

Dammit, I forgot about that, here I was thinking we'd get results soon.

well enrique I voted for you because you keep pointing the finger at whoever has spot light on them at the time or pushing stuff I don't see as something a baddie would do like voting a certain plant.

I was looking at epig but after reading his post he seems like his regular self to me.

seriously? so people can vote AFTER the poll ends? hogwash I tell ya...hogwash. I can't stay up that late to watch this!!!

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:Changed my vote.

*votes Epignosis*

I seem to remember you getting juliets killed.

What does that have to do with anything? Civs lynch civs all the time.

Something is better than nothing?

Shit, is there any vote I can make that you're okay with?

I'm just providing a counterpoint; you can vote whatever way you want. I just think you're wrong and your reasoning is incredibly weak. I also voted for juliets; does that make me bad? No.

So you prefer my vote for Daisy which was based on nothing other than the urge tie up the votes?

Epignosis wrote: 3. Nothing, which is coming from Dana.

I am not voting you for no reason. The first thing that made me think you were suspicious was when you didn't believe that Enrique was having a bad day.

Dana wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Enrique wrote:*the reason I brought it up in the first place*

Sorry I'm not the kind to pussy out of mafia but I'm literally having the shittest day. Think I'm out for the night. I'm innocent and answering honestly and all that.

Don't buy real life excuses for a game you were happy in a couple of hours ago.

Leaving my vote on you. Still think you should be voted out.

I think this is such a bad reason to vote for someone. You can't say someone is lying about having a bad day because they were happy a few hours ago. That's not how life works at all. Things happen, and happy people can turn sad or upset or angry or any other emotion.

I've also explained my suspicions here, when MP asked me:

Dana wrote:I sort of agree with his views on Epig, I think he's been acting a little bit weird. I mean I know he says that's just how his personality is, but I feel like it's needlessly harsh, and that makes me think he might be trying to hide something. I can't say for sure though, since I really don't know him that well at all.

I reference this post again later also:

Dana wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Who is your top suspect at the moment?

I think probably Epig, though it's not super strong. I replied to you earlier saying that I thought he was acting a bit odd, but it could just be that I don't know him that well.

I'm not 100% sure that you're bad, but I definitely feel more confident about a vote for you than a vote for SD, so that is why I'm voting for you.

Chris wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:Changed my vote.

*votes Epignosis*

I seem to remember you getting juliets killed.

What does that have to do with anything? Civs lynch civs all the time.

Something is better than nothing?

Shit, is there any vote I can make that you're okay with?

I'm just providing a counterpoint; you can vote whatever way you want. I just think you're wrong and your reasoning is incredibly weak. I also voted for juliets; does that make me bad? No.

So you prefer my vote for Daisy which was based on nothing other than the urge tie up the votes?

No. At least you gave reasoning for this one. Lol.

Wow wtf happened in here?

I am in a nyquil daze but let me see if I got this straight -
MP thinks daisy is bad, daisy thinks MP is bad.
Daisy has the better record of reading MP than he has of reading her.
What a sticky whicket.

I am going with Daisy only because SVS actually agreed with MP about Daisy. This has never happened before. VOTE DAISY
She is feeling cornered imo.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Enrique wrote:That's one way to shrug off a bunch of opinions. People don't get me, so I'm not gonna bother to get involved, what?

That's not what his post said.

In fact, most of the votes against him are pretty crappy reasons. He already stated why he was suspicious of you, yet you continue to ignore it.

I... haven't ignored it. For one second. I have addressed it many many times. But how often has he addressed any post about him? It's like he's not even trying. What thread have you been reading that you accuse me of ignoring the couple of posts where he gives any reason?

@Bass: No. You made those statements consecutively. "I'm debating whether to vote Made, Enri or Epig. Enri and Made yadda yadda. Epig is his normal self."

Though I do think Daisy is more likely to be bad than Epig, so... :P

On that note, I really really have to stop goofing off. I'll be back later!

And linki Rox, yes, Daisy does have a better track record about me which is why I'm frankly shocked at her turnaround because not only did she do a complete 180, she's either wrong or just faking it.

Linki with Enri, I'm not saying you ignored to address it, sorry, I am just saying you were acting like he was just shrugging stuff off when he has addressed your concern that he's not JUST saying "Enri is bad" but he has given a reason. If that makes sense.

Elohcin wrote:seriously? so people can vote AFTER the poll ends? hogwash I tell ya...hogwash. I can't stay up that late to watch this!!!

I appreciate your willingness to be in my corner, but vote your conscience. Mafia try to make civilians vote to save. Do what you believe is right.

Civilians vote to lynch a bitch.

Roxy wrote:Wow wtf happened in here?

I am in a nyquil daze but let me see if I got this straight -
MP thinks daisy is bad, daisy thinks MP is bad.
Daisy has the better record of reading MP than he has of reading her.
What a sticky whicket.

I am going with Daisy only because SVS actually agreed with MP about Daisy. This has never happened before. VOTE DAISY
She is feeling cornered imo.

QFT lol.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Though I do think Daisy is more likely to be bad than Epig, so... :P

On that note, I really really have to stop goofing off. I'll be back later!

And linki Rox, yes, Daisy does have a better track record about me which is why I'm frankly shocked at her turnaround because not only did she do a complete 180, she's either wrong or just faking it.

Linki with Enri, I'm not saying you ignored to address it, sorry, I am just saying you were acting like he was just shrugging stuff off when he has addressed your concern that he's not JUST saying "Enri is bad" but he has given a reason. If that makes sense.

Has he actually? He asked me "what have I not addressed?" I answered. And that was it. I suggest you re-read his posts because he really isn't saying much of anything at all.

Enrique wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Enrique wrote:That's one way to shrug off a bunch of opinions. People don't get me, so I'm not gonna bother to get involved, what?

That's not what his post said.

In fact, most of the votes against him are pretty crappy reasons. He already stated why he was suspicious of you, yet you continue to ignore it.

I... haven't ignored it. For one second. I have addressed it many many times. But how often has he addressed any post about him? It's like he's not even trying. What thread have you been reading that you accuse me of ignoring the couple of posts where he gives any reason?

@Bass: No. You made those statements consecutively. "I'm debating whether to vote Made, Enri or Epig. Enri and Made yadda yadda. Epig is his normal self."

I was saying that could acting like his normal self so I had to re read him.

Enrique wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Though I do think Daisy is more likely to be bad than Epig, so... :P

On that note, I really really have to stop goofing off. I'll be back later!

And linki Rox, yes, Daisy does have a better track record about me which is why I'm frankly shocked at her turnaround because not only did she do a complete 180, she's either wrong or just faking it.

Linki with Enri, I'm not saying you ignored to address it, sorry, I am just saying you were acting like he was just shrugging stuff off when he has addressed your concern that he's not JUST saying "Enri is bad" but he has given a reason. If that makes sense.

Has he actually? He asked me "what have I not addressed?" I answered. And that was it. I suggest you re-read his posts because he really isn't saying much of anything at all.

I did address them. Not when I was cooking or eating supper or watching my stories, I'm sorry to say. I responded to Roxy. I summarized the suspicion against me in an enumerated post.

So you don't like that I'm not talking when you want me to talk? You say I'm hiding in plain sight? OK. What's there to address? I either am, or I am not. I don't think fucking Matlock could defend against that.

I have got to go squeee over the behemoth babe (10 lbs 4 oz, and she did it naturally~ so impressive, she's tall, but she's bird bones, this is her today before she went into labor)



After initially suspecting Epi, I changed my mind. Just because he was a fail re Juliets does not make him bad. Other things he has done and said make me think he is not a baddie. I am out for the night, Good Luck civvies, get a baddie, don't get manipulated by one

I'm sorry but people's reasons for voting for you don't come down to "Nothing." That's not summarizing anything, that's shrugging it off.

My point here is that you've taken a very clear stance in this game. You have a finger pointed at me. But you're not doing anything about it. You're not doing anything about anything. You're not listening to people, you're not responding to most of them, and when you do it's usually just being dismissive.

So you justified to Roxy your vote to juliets. But from what I can tell, her problem with you is pretty much the same as mine. You're not trying to work with the thread. You're just expecting us to trust you and do as you say.

Enrique wrote:I'm sorry but people's reasons for voting for you don't come down to "Nothing." That's not summarizing anything, that's shrugging it off.

My point here is that you've taken a very clear stance in this game. You have a finger pointed at me. But you're not doing anything about it. You're not doing anything about anything. You're not listening to people, you're not responding to most of them, and when you do it's usually just being dismissive.

So you justified to Roxy your vote to juliets. But from what I can tell, her problem with you is pretty much the same as mine. You're not trying to work with the thread. You're just expecting us to trust you and do as you say.

I am "not doing anything about anything."

Right...that Day 1 thing must have been a hallucination.

And I didn't say people's reasons were nothing. I criticized them. Here it is again, updated.

Epignosis wrote:The arguments brought forth against me consist of the following:

1. My long-term strategy is to be an in-your-face bad guy. This coming from Long Con, who should know that doesn't work in a 30+ person game.
2. I am not hunting bad guys at all (even though I led the Day 1 lynch). This coming from MM, who voted Eloh.
3. Nothing, which is coming from Dana. Dana said this about me.
4. Enrique "doesn't get [me]."

Addendum: SD votes for me to save herself.
Chris voted because I got juliets killed.

Dismissive, obnoxious, aggressive, arrogant, big-headed, domineering, narrow-minded, obstinate, rude, self-indulgent, non-compliant, unpredictable, tactless, stubborn, tenacious, mean, unhelpful, impulsive, callous, impolite, unaccommodating, haughty, critical, dogmatic, impractical, overbearing, aloof, cunning, patronizing, sarcastic, quarrelsome, rabble-rousing, and terrible.

But bad?

Epignosis wrote:Dismissive, obnoxious, aggressive, arrogant, big-headed, domineering, narrow-minded, obstinate, rude, self-indulgent, non-compliant, unpredictable, tactless, stubborn, tenacious, mean, unhelpful, impulsive, callous, impolite, unaccommodating, haughty, critical, dogmatic, impractical, overbearing, aloof, cunning, patronizing, sarcastic, quarrelsome, rabble-rousing, and terrible.

But bad?

Isn't this the argument in every you play in?

Chris wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Dismissive, obnoxious, aggressive, arrogant, big-headed, domineering, narrow-minded, obstinate, rude, self-indulgent, non-compliant, unpredictable, tactless, stubborn, tenacious, mean, unhelpful, impulsive, callous, impolite, unaccommodating, haughty, critical, dogmatic, impractical, overbearing, aloof, cunning, patronizing, sarcastic, quarrelsome, rabble-rousing, and terrible.

But bad?

Isn't this the argument in every you play in?

I am also quite particular about syntax.

Whew, back. sorry ya'll I got a sick baby who woke up and just got back to sleep. i thought the poll ended at 9:23 and didn't want to miss the vote again. Clearly we have more time, but I will be asleep when it ends.

I voted daisy because I didn't get the Azure voters at all and I think that seemed like a good place to start as someone summarized. I also find MP's suspicion of her worth noting, although it appears she is also suspicious of him, so I don't know where to take tbh.

Roxy - I am not ignoring you at all, but I am fried. I promise I will address your post on me.