The Syndicate

Why the hell are we talking about who would kill who on night one? I thought it was fairly established that any of us would kill any of us night one, or what ever night, and that is how it should be?

I have to catch up.

Also based on a quick read back, if you are unwilling/able to kill someone on any particular day, you shouldn't be playing Mafia. Just saying. That kinda defeats the point.

Roxy wrote:I would never kill Eloh N 1 either. You should know this in your dark mafia heart.

I did that to see your reaction. It was a no u and you know you are wrong.

Do you think SVS would kill Eloh N 1? How about Saberfish?

I don't know what was a "no u" and how I know I am wrong. I'm pretty sure you're not civilian. Your own wording belies that idea, and I called you out last week for it.

But I'm not here to lynch independents. I'd like to believe that the Roxy who said she was trying her damnedest to help the town is still that same Roxy.

Your last questions there are two I've been rolling around with upstairs in the old noodle. Yes, I could see either killing Eloh Night 1. S~V~S basically admits she would in the posts below.

I'm pretty close to believing S~V~S is Killface. The evidence adds up for me, but I want to wait and listen first.

S~V~S wrote:Why the hell are we talking about who would kill who on night one? I thought it was fairly established that any of us would kill any of us night one, or what ever night, and that is how it should be?

I have to catch up.

Because somebody has to talk about something and all of these things are good things to talk about.

And no. None of that is firmly established. Because I don't kill Eloh Night 1. I said that a long time ago.

Epignosis wrote:I would have killed Eloh one time had I gotten the power to do so, and that was only because she signed up to play a game to get it rolling. Instead I tried to lynch her and ended up dying myself. Super. Author's note: This was Flash Mafia.

Outside of that anomaly, I leave her alone. I like her to have fun.

Long Con said he wouldn't kill her Night 1. I believe him on that.

"Who killed Elohcin?" is the central question, because this has never happened before on Night 1.

That's a fun mystery for me to solve.

S~V~S wrote:Also based on a quick read back, if you are unwilling/able to kill someone on any particular day, you shouldn't be playing Mafia. Just saying. That kinda defeats the point.

Then I guess I shouldn't be playing Mafia. Because there are certain people I don't kill Night 1. Ever. My wife is one of those.

I have to look again at S~V~S and Saberfish. I'll examine sig again for the sake of completeness, but I'm fairly sure my vote is going to one of the former two.

Yes I must be a baddie. I relentlessly tried to get Russti lynched. And he was bad. Yeah, it was a plot. :roll:

Looking at day 6 I'm not sure SVS is Killer her vote would have tied the Saber/Russ this could have been devastating. She was one of the two suspected of being killer why risk being exposed if it resulted in Saber being lynched, this would have cleared saber of being Killer allowed us to Lynch SVS next phase, then Russ the one after. This seems very risky especially considering she went after Russ so much, and the pay off seems weak.
If this was their plan
we had 8 people ifSVS was Killer it would go like this
Day 6 Saber lynched flips civ, SVS confirmed Killer. We would be down to 6 lynched Saber/NK 4 we would have known Russ was the last mafia member and lynched him loosing the game for the mafia. It would have made more sense for a Killer SVS to lynch Russ

On the flip side she targeted Russ so much yet didn't vote for him this seems weird to me. Not the behavior of Killer though.

Is SVS the type to not vote for a mafia member no matter what or will she vote for the benefit of the team?

Saber didn't vote, was this to avoid attention, as he is Killer or was he just AFK?

Ike was new to the forum as well correct? This could explain why he killed who he did, but why would Killer continue with the random kills? This seems like something a new mafia would do, hence Saberfish who is also new to the game.
Saber also hinted to have been an Xtycles seeing how he didn't blow up this was a lie. I think out of the two SVS or Saber, Saber is more likely to be Killer.

Would we be made aware in the night results if the Sisterhood of Chaos formed or would that not appear?

S~V~S wrote:Yes I must be a baddie. I relentlessly tried to get Russti lynched. And he was bad. Yeah, it was a plot. :roll:

Have I said you MUST be? I said you could be. Yes, it could be a plot.

Excuse me for actually playing the game and not treating others with sarcastic dismissal.

Votes pointing toward KF in red.

Sig

Sig missed the first vote.
Sig voted out of the way when Cookie was lynched.
Sig voted Made when Made got lynched.
Sig missed the fourth vote.
Sig voted for Saberfish when Russ (Phil) presumably got lynched and survived. If Sig were Killface, that would have made Saberfish get lynched.
Sig voted Saberfish again when Russ (Phil) got lynched and did not survive. If Sig were Killface, that would have tied it up.

Summary: Sig's early votes look bad, but his last two pretty much clear him.

++++

S~V~S

S~V~S votes MM. MM gets lynched.
S~V~S votes spacedaisy (Phil) based on a handful of posts (and things I still maintain didn't actually happen, like SD "flipping" on MP.
S~V~S votes nijuukyugou when she actually suspected spacedaisy, but Made and Roxy were close together.
S~V~S misses the vote.
S~V~S voted for Russ (Phil) on the day he presumably got lynched and survived. Russ had 3 votes to Saberfish's 4.
S~V~S voted Saberfish despite not being suspicious of him to make people want to vote Russ, but Russ got lynched 4 votes to Saberfish's 3.

++++

Saberfish

Saberfish votes Mac's Mom out of the main vote-getters and for a vague reason.
Saberfish votes Cookie late.
Saberfish votes Made, who gets lynched.
Saberfish misses the vote.
Saberfish votes Russ, when Russ was a vote shy of getting lynched but apparently did anyway (and survived).
Saberfish votes Russ again, and Russ is actually lynched.

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That's the voting breakdown. I used red to indicate votes that, to me, indicate Killface.

I am not treating anyone with sarcastic dismissal. Nor am I, calling anyone stupid, lol.

But you can make 100 charts and be wrong.

S~V~S wrote:Right. We got the baddie, so the people that voted for the baddie have to be the baddie. OK.

S~V~S wrote:Yes I must be a baddie. I relentlessly tried to get Russti lynched. And he was bad. Yeah, it was a plot. :roll:

Sarcastic dismissal. You don't engage any of my ideas, therefore, it's dismissal. My basic command of English tells me that both of these posts were sarcastic. Thus: Sarcastic dismissal.

And I didn't call anyone stupid. I was playing a role, per the host's instructions.

S~V~S wrote:But you can make 100 charts and be wrong.

Yep. You can. You can also guess and be right.

sig wrote:Looking at day 6 I'm not sure SVS is Killer her vote would have tied the Saber/Russ this could have been devastating. She was one of the two suspected of being killer why risk being exposed if it resulted in Saber being lynched, this would have cleared saber of being Killer allowed us to Lynch SVS next phase, then Russ the one after. This seems very risky especially considering she went after Russ so much, and the pay off seems weak.
If this was their plan
we had 8 people ifSVS was Killer it would go like this
Day 6 Saber lynched flips civ, SVS confirmed Killer. We would be down to 6 lynched Saber/NK 4 we would have known Russ was the last mafia member and lynched him loosing the game for the mafia. It would have made more sense for a Killer SVS to lynch Russ

On the flip side she targeted Russ so much yet didn't vote for him this seems weird to me. Not the behavior of Killer though.

Is SVS the type to not vote for a mafia member no matter what or will she vote for the benefit of the team?

Saber didn't vote, was this to avoid attention, as he is Killer or was he just AFK?

Ike was new to the forum as well correct? This could explain why he killed who he did, but why would Killer continue with the random kills? This seems like something a new mafia would do, hence Saberfish who is also new to the game.
Saber also hinted to have been an Xtycles seeing how he didn't blow up this was a lie. I think out of the two SVS or Saber, Saber is more likely to be Killer.

Would we be made aware in the night results if the Sisterhood of Chaos formed or would that not appear?

I'm thinking about your points.

sig, I'm confused:

"If this was their plan
we had 8 people ifSVS was Killer it would go like this
Day 6 Saber lynched flips civ, SVS confirmed Killer. We would be down to 6 lynched Saber/NK 4 we would have known Russ was the last mafia member and lynched him loosing the game for the mafia. It would have made more sense for a Killer SVS to lynch Russ"

Can you rephrase this for me? I don't understand it.

Also, how do you know Killface is alone?

Actually nevermind I was wrong.
I messed up I thought we only had two mafia players left at that point and forgot about the third.

I was thinking 8 people 2 mafia members left Russ/Killer I forgot about the third.
Remembering this has actually convinced me SVS is mafia

So my previous theory of my other post was
Day 6 mislynch of Saber, -1 civ 7 players left. 2M/5C Saber is civ and SVS is Killer.
night 6 -1 6 players 2M/4C
Day 7 Lynch SVS 1M/3C
Night 7 -1 civ 1M/2C the last two civs would have lynched Russ who would have been saved by SVS when she lynched Saber

HOWEVER this was WRONG, I thought we had two mafia left not three.
with three mafia players if we had mislynched Day 6 we would have lost to the mafia. This is why SVS voted for Saber not Russ they were betting the tie would go in their favor and Saber would me lynched handing the mafia their win since it would have been

8 players 3mafia 5 civs
Day 6 mislynch 3M 4C
Night 6 kill 3M 3C
Using Killer ability any tie would be broke the mafia could just vote all together for a civ.

Day 6 mislynch would have been Saber with SVS double vote tieing it up and resulting in Saber being lynched

Once again I screwed up my other theory, I forgot the number of mafia. Though in doing this I'm convinced SVS is killer. Does this make sense ik I 180 on this, but this could be the only reason SVS voted against Russ, yesterday but not two days ago.

sig, there's either two Mafia left, or one. If there were three, the game would be over (KF = 2 +1 +1 vs 3).

I'll break it down:

KIllface: ?
Simon: Cookie
Phil: Russtifinko
Sinn: ?
Wednell: ika

I need you to get your head in the game if you are good.

Right know there are only two but Yesterdays Day 6 we had 3 mafia left.

I was basing my first theory on only 2 mafia on Day 6 when we had 3 then.

This means SVS voted for Saber and tied the vote on Day 6 if Saber had been lynched instead of Russ we would have had an equal number of mafia, after the Night Kill

FOr Day 6 we didn't know if Russ was mafia so it would have been
KIllface: ?
Simon: Cookie
Phil: ?
Sinn: ?
Wednell: ika

In voting for Saber, SVS was attempting to save Russ/Phil from a lynch we would have mislynched Saber and we would have had 6 players after the night kill. 3 mafia and 3 civs.

We lynched Russ this leads me to think we had a tie and it was only luck that it went for Russ instead of Saber.

What are your thoughts on this and did I clear up the confusion?

I know that Saberfish voted for Roxy just now.

As for your thoughts, sig, I'm thinking it over.

And watching Orange is the New Black, full disclosure.

Epignosis wrote:And watching Orange is the New Black, full disclosure.

I like that show.

Show over. Back.

It is a good show, season 3 was meh though.

Am I correct in saying we only have about an hour left in the phase?

sig wrote:It is a good show, season 3 was meh though.

Am I correct in saying we only have about an hour left in the phase?

58 minutes, correct. I am still for S~V~S or Saberfish and I need to decide between them.

sig wrote:FOr Day 6 we didn't know if Russ was mafia so it would have been
KIllface: ?
Simon: Cookie
Phil: ?
Sinn: ?
Wednell: ika

In voting for Saber, SVS was attempting to save Russ/Phil from a lynch we would have mislynched Saber and we would have had 6 players after the night kill. 3 mafia and 3 civs.

We lynched Russ this leads me to think we had a tie and it was only luck that it went for Russ instead of Saber.

What are your thoughts on this and did I clear up the confusion?

Yes, that clears it up, which means my Day 6 "red" should be "white." Hmm.

^My day 6 red label for S~V~S should be white, I mean.

I think her day 6 vote was damning evidence. Why did SVS switch from Russ who she thought was mafia. She said it was since she wanted people to vote for him. This is a good excuse, but I'm not sure I believe it. I think SVS is Killer at this point, her not voting for Russ was strange the only logical reason would be to tie the vote and try to save Russ.

Day 5 is what is making me hesitant about who to vote for both Saber and SVS voted for Russ,
then Day 6 Saber didn't vote while SVS voted for Saber, why if Saber was mafia would he not vote on a crucial day?

sig wrote:I think her day 6 vote was damning evidence. Why did SVS switch from Russ who she thought was mafia. She said it was since she wanted people to vote for him. This is a good excuse, but I'm not sure I believe it. I think SVS is Killer at this point, her not voting for Russ was strange the only logical reason would be to tie the vote and try to save Russ.

Day 5 is what is making me hesitant about who to vote for both Saber and SVS voted for Russ,
then Day 6 Saber didn't vote while SVS voted for Saber, why if Saber was mafia would he not vote on a crucial day?

Yeah, this could have been so much easier if one of them would have given us something more to work with on previous days. I'm still thinking though. I don't want to get this wrong.

If Saberfish is Killface, then Roxy has two votes, and he doesn't care about winning.

This does seem like a strange move for Killface to do, but we were the only three online and he didn't comment at all about anything and just voted for roxy.

Question: Who would kill DisgruntledPorcupine?

Who did DW vote for last night

His first vote was on Russ not much though if we are saying, SVS is Killer he ruined their plan. Do we remember when he voted?

sig wrote:Who did DW vote for last night

You mean DP?

He voted one time.

Does that tie in someway, killing him seems foolish. SVS hasn't been back

I am of the mind that whoever is Killface is more actively involved than Saberfish. I have read the evidence and have been thinking about it (agonizing, really) all day.

Killface is likely one of the three Russ voters mentioned.
Saberfish is not active enough for me, and voted two teammates out.
Epi would throw teammates under the bus, but two is less likely, and I also don't believe he'd kill his wife Night 1 (that sounds TERRIBLE!).
SVS's vote yesterday was super-weird, and makes sense from a baddie perspective - vote Russ when you know he'll survive, then avoid voting for him and create a more difficult situation. Her going after Daisy/Russ for so long, however, does stand out, too, but it still could fit with that, knowing the survival mechanism and wasting a lynch for the civs.

I'm gonna vote SVS, because it feels like the best choice out of those, and I'm NOT ignoring my logic this time around :P Y'all can duke it out how you want with that.

That thinking is square with me, Ninjabubz. I'm gonna think it over again and decide whether or not to join you.

Hmm, 19 minutes left and one vote in. This should be interesting.

Makes planning the lynch post difficult though.

It's actually less than 19 minutes now, but I got caught in linki

Yes. I'm going to vote S~V~S.

She hasn't hunted Mafia. Hasn't. Her thing on spacedaisy made no sense and still doesn't. Her votes make no sense and still don't. She seems to be hiding rather than hunting.

Locking it in.

Im voting SVS as well for both your reasons as well as thre ones I stated.

My new favorite gif

S~V~S made headlines today. But not the good kind like you want. After putting up a valiant fight, she finally went down in flames. Once again, the mall has become her Waterloo.

Nevertheless, she'll always be in my slide show.

S~V~S has been lynched. She was Killface.
Congratulations to our winners, Epignosis, Mac's Mom, Made, Nijuukyugou, Roxy, Saberfish, and Sig.
Except just kidding about Mac's Mom and Saberfish. They broke the participation rules, so no win for them.

Role List
Cookie--------------------Simon
Dharmahelper-----------Fat Mike
DisgruntledPorcupine ------Nearl
Elohcin-----------------------Arthur Watley
Epignosis------------------Grace Ryan
G-Man---------------------Mike
HamburgerBoy-------------Kevin
Ika-------------------------Wendell
Long Con-----------------Ronnie
Mac's Mom----------------Old Spice
Made----------------------Torpedo Vegas
Metalmarsh89------------Cliff
Movingpictures07--------Sinn
Nijuukyugou--------------Hooker
Roxy-----------------------Mr. Ford
Saberfish------------------Stan
Scotty---------------------Clint
Sig-------------------------Dry Cleaner
Russtifinko---------------Phil
SVS------------------------Killface
Timmer-------------------Xander Crews
TinyBubbles--------------Val

WOW amazing like wow that was so stressful but we did it.

My first full game civilian win.

And NinjaBubz was my hooker.

S~V~S has been lynched. She was Killface.

Can everyone do me a favor? This is the second time I've let someone hoodwink me with real life shit. Can yall just punch me in the neck if I try it a third time?

KAKOW!!

Good call guys. I will never get over how I never believe SVS is bad, she is the baddest FEB, but I probably would have voted saberfish at the end there.

Congrats Epi and ninja, I feel you two really earned that win at the end there.

First full game win, period!

Not bad for a game I had less than zero chance of winning. I had fun playing as awfully as possible.