The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:49 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:46 pm dizzy you seem to be the only person that probably has the amount of experience to understand that i'm most likely legit in all worlds and that's currently voting me

any way i can make you change your vote?

Be town? =p

Or point me to someone I absolutely believe is mafia. I'd rather not risk yeeting town.

I'll check what I got wrong about the strongman thing. Sorry for asking again.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:50 pm**

my vote on ted is not representative of my feelings nor desires

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:49 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:26 pm Let it be known that I hate redirection roles of all kind
On the contrary, redirection roles at 1000% necessary for role madness to work.

Cops, trackers, doctors, blockers, jailkeeps, etc are all super freaking powerful. On top of just having the ability to stop kills or make wolf yeets way more likely, townies tend to claim, use and react to mechanical stuff in a townie way. See: Wilgy and Dizzy today.

There's only two ways you can counter this as a host.

First, by giving the wolves a bunch of equally dangerous mechanical abilities. This can be fun in big games but in practice, leads to a lot of games that are imbalanced because the host improperly judges the sheer power of the roles on each side. Maybe your wolf conditional vigilante gets yeeted D1. Maybe they manage to get an extra kill off every night. Maybe your players don't appreciate that don cloak. Maybe wolves still just have no way to get a misyeet. This method is iffy.

Second, you can counter it by giving out redirection powers, especially town random redirectors on top of wolves targeted redirectors (controllers, commanders, controlled misdirectors, whatever you wanna call them) and busdrivers. The town is VERY likely to trip over itself with incorrect information, outting power roles and getting misyeets. Every cop check is a potential error. Every track could be wrong. Roles that default to unchoppable 100% accuracy wolf catchers become choppable and have a 75% accuracy instead. You get everything good about role madness while mitigating the bad.

Redirection roles are the key to good role madness.

Still a massive mindfuck

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:49 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:46 pm dizzy you seem to be the only person that probably has the amount of experience to understand that i'm most likely legit in all worlds and that's currently voting me

any way i can make you change your vote?
Be town? =p

Or point me to someone I absolutely believe is mafia. I'd rather not risk yeeting town.

I'll check what I got wrong about the strongman thing. Sorry for asking again.

i'm a claimed 3p, not sure how you want me to "be town"

is wilgy cleared for you just because he got your role correctly in your eyes?

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:40 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:21 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:17 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:12 pm Dizzy is my wonderwall it seems
I'm still a bit confused as to what has happened and how you became a role checker. Could you please explain what your original role was, when you holstered?

But what you found was my role, and I have already claimed it.
Sure. I have a modal power that I can choose between that affects others.
1. Target becomes a rolechecker
2. Target and I gain BTSC

I holstered early as I didn't want to give the power out willy-nilly
Kyle turned my power back on me turning me into a rolechecker
I checked Michelle which revealed your role apparently (I was not aware that you had claimed previously)
MR used their power to turn my power back on me again and I am currently still a rolechecker
The Michelle target was last night or the prior night?

Last night. Got results this morning and mention that I was still a rolecheck when I asked the hosts if I reverted.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm**

Radish does look rather awkward here though. Mechanics wise.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:52 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pmi'm a claimed 3p, not sure how you want me to "be town"

is wilgy cleared for you just because he got your role correctly in your eyes?

Well, that was the joke lol.

No, Wilgy is not really cleared for me. But I didn't think he was scummy in his claim or how he want about it, and the other posts I read. I also remember Sloonei potentially whiteknighting Wilgy as he did with 112. Though it was stronger with 112.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:52 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pmi'm a claimed 3p, not sure how you want me to "be town"

is wilgy cleared for you just because he got your role correctly in your eyes?
Well, that was the joke lol.

No, Wilgy is not really cleared for me. But I didn't think he was scummy in his claim or how he want about it, and the other posts I read. I also remember Sloonei potentially whiteknighting Wilgy as he did with 112. Though it was stronger with 112.

can you read my posts on wilgy and let me know if those points make sense?

because i've been talking about them but since i'm 3p et all, they apparently are invisible to the thread

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm Radish does look rather awkward here though. Mechanics wise.

No I don't.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:54 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm Radish does look rather awkward here though. Mechanics wise.
No I don't.

Yes, you do.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:55 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm Radish does look rather awkward here though. Mechanics wise.
No I don't.

Who is the other redirector from your PoV?

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:55 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pmcan you read my posts on wilgy and let me know if those points make sense?

because i've been talking about them but since i'm 3p et all, they apparently are invisible to the thread

Alright. I will do that before day ends. As well as read Sloonei spew.

I'm not enthusiastically voting you. And I know it sucks, but I'd rather yeet a 3p than risk yeeting town if that means another night of potentially clearing actions.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:55 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:54 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm Radish does look rather awkward here though. Mechanics wise.
No I don't.
Yes, you do.

No I don't.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:56 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:55 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm Radish does look rather awkward here though. Mechanics wise.
No I don't.
Who is the other redirector from your PoV?

How would I know?

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:56 pm**

Gurl.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:56 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:55 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pmcan you read my posts on wilgy and let me know if those points make sense?

because i've been talking about them but since i'm 3p et all, they apparently are invisible to the thread
Alright. I will do that before day ends. As well as read Sloonei spew.

I'm not enthusiastically voting you. And I know it sucks, but I'd rather yeet a 3p than risk yeeting town if that means another night of potentially clearing actions.

we can go for a PoE target, since i've just claimed i can get a probable mafia killed...

not really sure why we can't give me a few phases to prove myself since we're running very well at the moment

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:59 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:40 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:21 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:17 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:12 pm Dizzy is my wonderwall it seems
I'm still a bit confused as to what has happened and how you became a role checker. Could you please explain what your original role was, when you holstered?

But what you found was my role, and I have already claimed it.
Sure. I have a modal power that I can choose between that affects others.
1. Target becomes a rolechecker
2. Target and I gain BTSC

I holstered early as I didn't want to give the power out willy-nilly
Kyle turned my power back on me turning me into a rolechecker
I checked Michelle which revealed your role apparently (I was not aware that you had claimed previously)
MR used their power to turn my power back on me again and I am currently still a rolechecker
The Michelle target was last night or the prior night?
Last night. Got results this morning and mention that I was still a rolecheck when I asked the hosts if I reverted.

So...

You targeted Michelle, Radishes made you target yourself and you got a result that implies you targeted Dizzy...and yourself?

Are you targetting twice? With your rolecheck and your giving a rolecheck? If that's the case, it wouldn't be unrealistic for your rolecheck to be unmisdirectable and your giving a rolecheck is misdirectable (it wouldn't be unrealistic for them to both be misdirected or for it to randomly misdirect one of your two powers).

In any case, I'm left wondering how you didn't end up getting Michelle's role.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:59 pm**

@Alison are you gonna be here at EoD and vote?

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:59 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:59 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:40 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:21 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:17 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:12 pm Dizzy is my wonderwall it seems
I'm still a bit confused as to what has happened and how you became a role checker. Could you please explain what your original role was, when you holstered?

But what you found was my role, and I have already claimed it.
Sure. I have a modal power that I can choose between that affects others.
1. Target becomes a rolechecker
2. Target and I gain BTSC

I holstered early as I didn't want to give the power out willy-nilly
Kyle turned my power back on me turning me into a rolechecker
I checked Michelle which revealed your role apparently (I was not aware that you had claimed previously)
MR used their power to turn my power back on me again and I am currently still a rolechecker
The Michelle target was last night or the prior night?
Last night. Got results this morning and mention that I was still a rolecheck when I asked the hosts if I reverted.
So...

You targeted Michelle, Radishes made you target yourself and you got a result that implies you targeted Dizzy...and yourself?

Are you targetting twice? With your rolecheck and your giving a rolecheck? If that's the case, it wouldn't be unrealistic for your rolecheck to be unmisdirectable and your giving a rolecheck is misdirectable (it wouldn't be unrealistic for them to both be misdirected or for it to randomly misdirect one of your two powers).

In any case, I'm left wondering how you didn't end up getting Michelle's role.

And since Dizzy already claimed, it leaves open the idea that you made up the role check altogether.

It also could mean Radishes is lying. Could mean we aren't taking something into consideration.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:03 pm**

what if we just yeet jpic or hollowkatt

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:04 pm**

wait sorry is this too early for a swiftwagon

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:04 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:03 pm what if we just yeet jpic or hollowkatt

dr wilgy still holds the worst claim in the thread in my eyes, i have about no clue why everyone moved

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:04 pm**

is it too early for a Tracy Chapman's Fast Car

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:05 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:04 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:03 pm what if we just yeet jpic or hollowkatt
dr wilgy still holds the worst claim in the thread in my eyes, i have about no clue why everyone moved

would you still feel that way if your life didn't currently depend on Wilgy's death

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:06 pm**

Wilgy is the only person who is (barring misdirects) capable of confirming your claim, ted

even if one or both of you are lying that seems to be worth a day to me. So long as it's a day still spent reducing the PoE

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:06 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:05 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:04 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:03 pm what if we just yeet jpic or hollowkatt
dr wilgy still holds the worst claim in the thread in my eyes, i have about no clue why everyone moved
would you still feel that way if your life didn't currently depend on Wilgy's death

yes

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:06 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:03 pm what if we just yeet jpic or hollowkatt

No.

Like I said, I can claim whenever people want me to.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:11 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:06 pm Wilgy is the only person who is (barring misdirects) capable of confirming your claim, ted

even if one or both of you are lying that seems to be worth a day to me. So long as it's a day still spent reducing the PoE

didn't he claim to be redirected ten times over and landed on a role that was claimed in the thread?

even if you ignore the fact that radishes claimed a redirect on him, he's claiming to have been redirected by somebody else on top of that.

who tf would redirect wilgy of all people, who didn't even claim, let's be honest. wolves have way better targets to redirect that are also claimed itt and a town redirector would've came out and said they redirected him (other than radeesh)

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:12 pm**

for wilgy to be town, it means that mafia decided to redirect him, or there are other hostile 3ps in the game. and there are about 3 already.

a town would just claim it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:13 pm**

Not all town have checked in since this was revealed.

Possibly another town redirecter does exist?

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:13 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:04 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:03 pm what if we just yeet jpic or hollowkatt
dr wilgy still holds the worst claim in the thread in my eyes, i have about no clue why everyone moved

Just a bad take.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:14 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:12 pm for wilgy to be town, it means that mafia decided to redirect him, or there are other hostile 3ps in the game. and there are about 3 already.

a town would just claim it.

everyone just needs to acknowledge this, it's that simple

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:15 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:13 pm Not all town have checked in since this was revealed.

Possibly another town redirecter does exist?

I think everybody has fully claimed apart from tutuu and Michelle

I also hard claim not redirector.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:15 pm**

skimmed what I've missed and don't really see why everyone believes wilgy, seems an obvious lie to me

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:15 pm**

@tutuu @Michelle did you redirect wilgy last night?

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:15 pm**

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:15 pm skimmed what I've missed and don't really see why everyone believes wilgy, seems an obvious lie to me

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:15 pm**

mac posted in our chat that he stopped following the game and that tim was townie up to a point in their chat

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:17 pm**

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:15 pm skimmed what I've missed and don't really see why everyone believes wilgy, seems an obvious lie to me

He sounds genuine. He handled is naturally. Why would he lie. Etc.

But yeah, it's an easy lie for a role cop tbh.

My mind is not made up.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:18 pm**

michelle reaction probably gives away that she didn't redirect him anyway

so it's just tutuu left

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:18 pm**

This all basically confirms dizzy at least.

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:18 pm**

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:19 pm**

@tutuu

Please claim if you redirected people or not

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:19 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:17 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:15 pm skimmed what I've missed and don't really see why everyone believes wilgy, seems an obvious lie to me
He sounds genuine. He handled is naturally. Why would he lie. Etc.

But yeah, it's an easy lie for a role cop tbh.

My mind is not made up.

except he didn't say anything that wasn't already in this thread

just because he says he isn't reading doesn't mean he actually isn't

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:20 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:40 pm Gosh, no, everyone was redirected?
Who has this role?
@Dyslexicon?

actually this is a more awkward response then i recalled, i guess it's not off the table lol

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:22 pm**

this is apropos of nothing but sloonei saying "what? I was silenced by a townie?" after Syn's claim was a perfect example of hot dog guy behavior

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:22 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:22 pm this is apropos of nothing but sloonei saying "what? I was silenced by a townie?" after Syn's claim was a perfect example of hot dog guy behavior

lol

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:23 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:22 pm this is apropos of nothing but sloonei saying "what? I was silenced by a townie?" after Syn's claim was a perfect example of hot dog guy behavior

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:23 pm**

actually i have to check something

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:23 pm**

I think the most darning part of Wilgy's claim is actually that he says he didn't trust anyone with a role check or with btsc until day 6

Posted: **Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:23 pm**

please hold

*garbled violins begin to play*

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