Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Syn]

this is so level one lol

fake claim role cop

rip a claim from earlier in the thread

"oh no, I was redirected"

sooper ez

cmon

Why wouldn't Wilgy just claim to have targeted me though? If he read my claim in thread?

to sow confusion

which he has succeeded in

an unknown redirector screws everything up

[Dyslexicon]

is this a serious question? lol

Yes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@DrWilgy Why did you not use your role to gain btsc the first days?

Antisocial.

[Master Radishes]

this is so level one lol

fake claim role cop

rip a claim from earlier in the thread

"oh no, I was redirected"

sooper ez

cmon

I mean he probably is a role cop. More likely he just copped Dizzy and knew about it.


Thing he has going for him is straight out saying 'I copped Michelle' and then not really hesitating to give Dizzy's role.

what

he waffled on it for several pages

michelle even almost claimed for him, i had to remind them not to

I guess I just mean why the elaborate lie about being redirected? Why not just true role cop someone, we all say 'oh Wilgy seems like town then' and easy done.

[Syn]

this is so level one lol

fake claim role cop

rip a claim from earlier in the thread

"oh no, I was redirected"

sooper ez

cmon

Why wouldn't Wilgy just claim to have targeted me though? If he read my claim in thread?

to sow confusion

which he has succeeded in

an unknown redirector screws everything up

also

why would a town role cop who waited so long to use their ability use it on someone whose claim is already outed and largely confirmed?

[DrWilgy]

Ted has this tendency to just say the same thing over and over again and eventually everyone just shakes their heads and say "ok"

I've been misyeeted for it before, and I'll probably be misyeeted for it again.

He's thunderdomed me on mafia actions that he was responsible for and then pointed the finger.

He's not even trying to read my posts or consider 'Maybe there was a wild redirection.'

Even if he's not responsible, the lack of consideration here is baffling.

Doesn't realize that I can't be lying based on knowing the effects of MR prior to MR revealing.

this is all in his MO.

[Dyslexicon]

to sow confusion

which he has succeeded in

an unknown redirector screws everything up

That seems like a silly idea. As mafia you always claim as close to the truth as you can, or else you'll get found out. I'm not Wilgy, but that just seems ...not the most logical thing to do. But what do I know.

[Master Radishes]

I don't know what to believe anymore man. For awhile this felt like actual 'light' role madness and now it's just making my eyes glaze over.

Does anyone have a 'double chop' power we can use on both of them today?

[Kylemii]

If Ted claimed town instead of 3p we would still be yeeting him

[Syn]

this is so level one lol

fake claim role cop

rip a claim from earlier in the thread

"oh no, I was redirected"

sooper ez

cmon

I mean he probably is a role cop. More likely he just copped Dizzy and knew about it.


Thing he has going for him is straight out saying 'I copped Michelle' and then not really hesitating to give Dizzy's role.

what

he waffled on it for several pages

michelle even almost claimed for him, i had to remind them not to

I guess I just mean why the elaborate lie about being redirected? Why not just true role cop someone, we all say 'oh Wilgy seems like town then' and easy done.

because he's not a role cop

you're assuming here wilgy really does choose between giving someone a role check or BTSC

kyle's ability doesn't tell him what the person does, it just lets him pick the target afaik

[tedxtr]

mastah radeesh cmon man

i am hopeful about wilgy being mafia and with that having a pretty high chance to be the ship (50% if it's a team of two)

it's just the mechanically correct one over us two, if he's not the ship then whatever, just kill me tomorrow, but he's as good as outed

if i'm a wolf i'm bussing a partner, right? it's a lot more likely i'm just the role i claimed

[Dyslexicon]

also

why would a town role cop who waited so long to use their ability use it on someone whose claim is already outed and largely confirmed?

Hm. Yeah. Maybe he's just scum. Maybe Ted is right. But there's also no reason not to yeet Ted for anyone else than Ted. We can yeet both.

I am once again asking for a double yeet.

[tedxtr]

If Ted claimed town instead of 3p we would still be yeeting him

i highly doubt it

[Master Radishes]

to sow confusion

which he has succeeded in

an unknown redirector screws everything up

That seems like a silly idea. As mafia you always claim as close to the truth as you can, or else you'll get found out. I'm not Wilgy, but that just seems ...not the most logical thing to do. But what do I know.

Yeah.

Also, of the two of them, Wilgy's claim felt most like it was made without agenda. Like he felt like a townie thinking it was better not to give anything up, but accepting he needed to to clear himself.

Ted was just like 'oh lol actually I'm 3P'.

[Timsup2nothin]

I will say, just to stop myself going for retrospective credit I don't deserve (regardless of flip),

I instantly disbelieved Ted's 3P claim. It felt too convenient. But he has been so insistent that he was winning me over. I couldn't reconcile it with Kyle's claims and was going to shrugginly advocate we chop Ted today. But I definitely felt he was being sincere by the end.

So one way or another he's succeeded in convincing me of something he wanted to convince me of.

The rules say you can't self vote...wouldn't want you getting mod killed, even though that resolves POE it's just no fun.

[Dyslexicon]

Does anyone have a 'double chop' power we can use on both of them today?

Sick mindmeld.

[Jackofhearts2005]

this is so level one lol

fake claim role cop

rip a claim from earlier in the thread

"oh no, I was redirected"

sooper ez

cmon

I’ve seen it done multiple times.

[DrWilgy]

Here's the best part.

Via Kyle's confirmation It's pretty clear that I can provide a role check that can be used on me.

Whoever checks me can verify everything lol.

[Dyslexicon]

Here's the best part.

Via Kyle's confirmation It's pretty clear that I can provide a role check that can be used on me.

Whoever checks me can verify everything lol.

Think about how you can try to be helpful the following night if you are town. We have lots of roles.

[Master Radishes]

this is so level one lol

fake claim role cop

rip a claim from earlier in the thread

"oh no, I was redirected"

sooper ez

cmon

I mean he probably is a role cop. More likely he just copped Dizzy and knew about it.


Thing he has going for him is straight out saying 'I copped Michelle' and then not really hesitating to give Dizzy's role.

what

he waffled on it for several pages

michelle even almost claimed for him, i had to remind them not to

I guess I just mean why the elaborate lie about being redirected? Why not just true role cop someone, we all say 'oh Wilgy seems like town then' and easy done.

because he's not a role cop

you're assuming here wilgy really does choose between giving someone a role check or BTSC

kyle's ability doesn't tell him what the person does, it just lets him pick the target afaik

But he hasn't really lied as far as we know about any of this.

Like he said 'weirdly I'm still a role cop' before I outed my self-target on him. That...fits with what I did. How could he know I made him self-target? The Michelle/Dizzy thing is wacky, but he already claimed something weird had happened to his role before I explained what I did.

Like don't get me wrong, there is a real chance he's lying here. But I don't think it's nearly as open and shut as you think it is.

[tedxtr]

also

why would a town role cop who waited so long to use their ability use it on someone whose claim is already outed and largely confirmed?

Hm. Yeah. Maybe he's just scum. Maybe Ted is right. But there's also no reason not to yeet Ted for anyone else than Ted. We can yeet both.

I am once again asking for a double yeet.

Yes, there is a reason.

he's outed and from my actions, it lines up with how i played in thread and my suspicions (so i'm VERY likely to be what i claim i am and he's pretty much mafia in all worlds). PLUS he has a 50% chance of being the mafia ship, in that case i just leave the damn game, that's why i'm fighting so haarrdddddddddd

[Jackofhearts2005]

My tinfoil hat radio messages say MR is desperate to get out of the box he finds himself in. I don’t think that’s actually what’s happening but it’s hard to not see it.

[Master Radishes]

Oh. Thanks Tim.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm keeping my vote on you, Ted. Wilgy will not escape if he is mafia. But whatever your role is, you're not town, so it's not my responsibility to help you fulfil your wincon.

[Master Radishes]

My tinfoil hat radio messages say MR is desperate to get out of the box he finds himself in. I don’t think that’s actually what’s happening but it’s hard to not see it.

What box do you think I'm in?

[Syn]

My tinfoil hat radio messages say MR is desperate to get out of the box he finds himself in. I don’t think that’s actually what’s happening but it’s hard to not see it.

Check MR tonight?

Eh.

[Master Radishes]

I'm keeping my vote on you, Ted. Wilgy will not escape if he is mafia. But whatever your role is, you're not town, so it's not my responsibility to help you fulfil your wincon.

This is what I was saying ages ago. We should yeet Alison at some point too tbh, just to be fair to all 3Ps.

[tedxtr]

I'm keeping my vote on you, Ted. Wilgy will not escape if he is mafia. But whatever your role is, you're not town, so it's not my responsibility to help you fulfil your wincon.

there. is. a. 50%. chance. for. him. to. be. mafia. ship. which. if. it. dies. i. leave. the. game. victorious.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My tinfoil hat radio messages say MR is desperate to get out of the box he finds himself in. I don’t think that’s actually what’s happening but it’s hard to not see it.

What box do you think I'm in?

The “role madness has cut the poe down to nothing so I’m gonna continually say only Tony and Jack should be confirmed and beg confusion” box.

[tedxtr]

this is so infuriating, you guys have no idea

[Master Radishes]

My tinfoil hat radio messages say MR is desperate to get out of the box he finds himself in. I don’t think that’s actually what’s happening but it’s hard to not see it.

Check MR tonight?

Eh.

Also fine with that.

He's probably gonna die, but feel free to do it Jack in case you don't.

I don't know any Joe Pesci quotes off the top of my head though.

[Syn]

also

why would a town role cop who waited so long to use their ability use it on someone whose claim is already outed and largely confirmed?

Hm. Yeah. Maybe he's just scum. Maybe Ted is right. But there's also no reason not to yeet Ted for anyone else than Ted. We can yeet both.

I am once again asking for a double yeet.

Yes, there is a reason.

he's outed and from my actions, it lines up with how i played in thread and my suspicions (so i'm VERY likely to be what i claim i am and he's pretty much mafia in all worlds). PLUS he has a 50% chance of being the mafia ship, in that case i just leave the damn game, that's why i'm fighting so haarrdddddddddd

just to confirm, if you find this ship and blast it, you stop posting, bye bye?

[Timsup2nothin]

My tinfoil hat radio messages say MR is desperate to get out of the box he finds himself in. I don’t think that’s actually what’s happening but it’s hard to not see it.

What box do you think I'm in?

The POE?

[Jackofhearts2005]

My tinfoil hat radio messages say MR is desperate to get out of the box he finds himself in. I don’t think that’s actually what’s happening but it’s hard to not see it.

Check MR tonight?

Eh.

Maybe.

It’s him or Wilgy in all probability.

[Dyslexicon]

Yes, there is a reason.

he's outed and from my actions, it lines up with how i played in thread and my suspicions (so i'm VERY likely to be what i claim i am and he's pretty much mafia in all worlds). PLUS he has a 50% chance of being the mafia ship, in that case i just leave the damn game, that's why i'm fighting so haarrdddddddddd

If things are as you say, it sucks a lot. I totally understand that.

For me, I just risk more if we're wrong and Wilgy is town. That is much worse than you flipping 3p for me. Does that make sense?

I also do think we have time enough to get to Wilgy next day, and we may even know more then.

[DrWilgy]

Here's the best part.

Via Kyle's confirmation It's pretty clear that I can provide a role check that can be used on me.

Whoever checks me can verify everything lol.

Think about how you can try to be helpful the following night if you are town. We have lots of roles.

Well tonight I use a check, tomorrow night I provide a check to someone else who's probably not going to miss out on their power, and then they check me. It all lines up and the game will either be over with a town win or there's be enough people alive so that I can still be removed from the PoE.

I think it all works out.

[Master Radishes]

My tinfoil hat radio messages say MR is desperate to get out of the box he finds himself in. I don’t think that’s actually what’s happening but it’s hard to not see it.

What box do you think I'm in?

The “role madness has cut the poe down to nothing so I’m gonna continually say only Tony and Jack should be confirmed and beg confusion” box.

I was the one who created a narrow PoE on like D4/D5.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Imma feel stupid if I get a green peek is all.

[tedxtr]

if you guys are so scared of me, then just put blockers on me and i promise i won't even bus drive myself or do anything

just yeet wilgy, it's my last shot of achieving my wincon and i am acknowledging it.

you have more reasons to believe my action choices to be lining up with my role claim, whereas wilgy is just caught up in a lie without any sort of doubt.

[DrWilgy]

I'm keeping my vote on you, Ted. Wilgy will not escape if he is mafia. But whatever your role is, you're not town, so it's not my responsibility to help you fulfil your wincon.

there. is. a. 50%. chance. for. him. to. be. mafia. ship. which. if. it. dies. i. leave. the. game. victorious.

idk what to say man, you are wrong if you are 3p. You fucked up if you are scum.

[tedxtr]

For me, I just risk more if we're wrong and Wilgy is town

i literally just made a post for why he's never town, you even agreed with it (sorta)

cmooooon

[Timsup2nothin]

For the record, I'm wandering in the vote wilderness because I'm honoring JPIC's request...plus I am not really interested in chopping a third party that seems to bear town no ill will and might find and shoot a wolf.

[Syn]

if you guys are so scared of me, then just put blockers on me and i promise i won't even bus drive myself or do anything

just yeet wilgy, it's my last shot of achieving my wincon and i am acknowledging it.

you have more reasons to believe my action choices to be lining up with my role claim, whereas wilgy is just caught up in a lie without any sort of doubt.

but your plea entails you bagging us a wolf, so we couldn't block you in any scenario where you stay alive

[Dyslexicon]

this is so infuriating, you guys have no idea

I feel for you actually. But I'm thinking it could be that you're seeing Wilgy as confirmed scum because you want to? I understand the points against him, but in a game like this, it wouldn't be the first time something weird happened. And Wilgy could potentially be town, while you could not be.

[Michelle]

to sow confusion

which he has succeeded in

an unknown redirector screws everything up

That seems like a silly idea. As mafia you always claim as close to the truth as you can, or else you'll get found out. I'm not Wilgy, but that just seems ...not the most logical thing to do. But what do I know.

Yeah.

Also, of the two of them, Wilgy's claim felt most like it was made without agenda. Like he felt like a townie thinking it was better not to give anything up, but accepting he needed to to clear himself.

Ted was just like 'oh lol actually I'm 3P'.

When i accepted the reveal DrW was top wagon already, that means he would rather be killed than expose such a towny role. Mafia don't self sacrifice like this.
Looked genuine. May be a lie too, but we can solve it next day ig
I don't think he should be lynched instead Ted who is peeked red by Kyle and tracked to the NK

[Timsup2nothin]

My tinfoil hat radio messages say MR is desperate to get out of the box he finds himself in. I don’t think that’s actually what’s happening but it’s hard to not see it.

Check MR tonight?

Eh.

Maybe.

It’s him or Wilgy in all probability.

Please don't check me as I would then have to google some Joe Pesci quotes.

[tedxtr]

if you guys are so scared of me, then just put blockers on me and i promise i won't even bus drive myself or do anything

just yeet wilgy, it's my last shot of achieving my wincon and i am acknowledging it.

you have more reasons to believe my action choices to be lining up with my role claim, whereas wilgy is just caught up in a lie without any sort of doubt.

but your plea entails you bagging us a wolf, so we couldn't block you in any scenario where you stay alive

i'm saying that rn i have too many false positives on me for people to believe me and wilgy is my last shot of achieving my wincon through dayplay.

it sucks for me to suck so bad and not find that ship but at least give me a last chance, the probability of wilgy being a villager is sooooo low.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My tinfoil hat radio messages say MR is desperate to get out of the box he finds himself in. I don’t think that’s actually what’s happening but it’s hard to not see it.

What box do you think I'm in?

The “role madness has cut the poe down to nothing so I’m gonna continually say only Tony and Jack should be confirmed and beg confusion” box.

I was the one who created a narrow PoE on like D4/D5.

WHAT? I CAN’T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF THE MECH!

[tedxtr]

I don't think he should be lynched instead Ted who is peeked red by Kyle

lies

[DrWilgy]

if you guys are so scared of me, then just put blockers on me and i promise i won't even bus drive myself or do anything

just yeet wilgy, it's my last shot of achieving my wincon and i am acknowledging it.

you have more reasons to believe my action choices to be lining up with my role claim, whereas wilgy is just caught up in a lie without any sort of doubt.

but your plea entails you bagging us a wolf, so we couldn't block you in any scenario where you stay alive

i'm saying that rn i have too many false positives on me for people to believe me and wilgy is my last shot of achieving my wincon through dayplay.

it sucks for me to suck so bad and not find that ship but at least give me a last chance, the probability of wilgy being a villager is sooooo low.

So you won't achieve your wincon on me. Yeeting me hinders town.