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What happens is: We use new mech info and we bag Wilgy next if he's scum.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmI think you make things more complicated than they are, the double redirect is not really needed.tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:56 pm and pretty awesome how everyone goes "eh, wilgy's thing doesn't make sense even though he must've been redirected at least two times"
but it's totally unfeasible that kyle was redirected too
top notch logic, once you claim 3p, the person that claims town is gonna gain more ground than you do in the game
if you believe wilgy, then you have to believe there are at least 2 redirectors. in that world, it's a good chance i'm not in a red check pool.
Some claims are just not clear enough amd yours is one of them
I just wanted to make the pun
No. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynchedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:57 pmI disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
i'm already tilted as it is, guess we're pushing me to the limitJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:01 pmMaybe you targeted yourself to fool the tracker and then you can’t set everything on fire cause you’ll die too.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:59 pmtedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:22 pmmafia would never redirect you with outed cop roles and doctors.
town would always claim if they redirected you.
the only variant left is hostile 3ps, but we already have 3 3ps in the game. i wasn't tracked to you, alison's tracks check out and the third 3p is dead. so it's very unlikely.
I like this guy.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmWe owe him nothing, but I dislike removing someone's chance to win if not necessary. Like, risk/reward where the reward is kindness.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:56 pmYeah. This. Again.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:55 pmIt may be other mechanics that are not mafia redirects. We don't know everything about this game. Nutella literally did a self sacrifice, got Jack resurrected, on the night Martin was supposed to jail her and I was supposed to protect her from all harm.
Town still has time to resolve Wilgy. You don't have time, but that's not town's problem. Sorry.
Ted is not on our team. We owe him nothing.
He has many actions, not just one isn't it?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:01 pmMaybe you targeted yourself to fool the tracker and then you can’t set everything on fire cause you’ll die too.
Dollar to a do-nut that if Ted flips 3P someone off wagon gets pointed out as "wouldn't vote Ted, must have had TMI."Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:02 pmNo. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynchedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:57 pmI disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
Ted’s not an arsonist. That’s a joke.Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:04 pmHe has many actions, not just one isn't it?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:01 pmMaybe you targeted yourself to fool the tracker and then you can’t set everything on fire cause you’ll die too.
except that double redirect is what's being claimed here on wiggly isn't it? and nobody has told me why/who would double redirect wiggly. it just doesn't make sense.Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmI think you make things more complicated than they are, the double redirect is not really needed.tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:56 pm and pretty awesome how everyone goes "eh, wilgy's thing doesn't make sense even though he must've been redirected at least two times"
but it's totally unfeasible that kyle was redirected too
top notch logic, once you claim 3p, the person that claims town is gonna gain more ground than you do in the game
if you believe wilgy, then you have to believe there are at least 2 redirectors. in that world, it's a good chance i'm not in a red check pool.
Some claims are just not clear enough amd yours is one of them
Not making this easy are you bud?
I started itJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:05 pmTed’s not an arsonist. That’s a joke.Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:04 pmHe has many actions, not just one isn't it?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:01 pmMaybe you targeted yourself to fool the tracker and then you can’t set everything on fire cause you’ll die too.
OR, and I know this may sound strange: We chop wiggly today b/c he's scum?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:01 pmWhat happens is: We use new mech info and we bag Wilgy next if he's scum.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
Except that people are ALREADY talking about going after players who are hard defending Ted.Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:02 pmNo. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynchedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:57 pmI disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
what, you wanted a reason to go with it?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:06 pmNot making this easy are you bud?
Man, I really don't want to decline you your wincon for no reason tbh, but you gotta realize you are wrong on me. I think Tim summed it up with the statement "you're case isn't as airtight as you think" and I can even prove that I never lied.
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:05 pmDollar to a do-nut that if Ted flips 3P someone off wagon gets pointed out as "wouldn't vote Ted, must have had TMI."Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:02 pmNo. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynchedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:57 pmI disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
maybeI think I just weigh the risk of Wilgy being town as a bigger downside then.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pmOR, and I know this may sound strange: We chop wiggly today b/c he's scum?
Like that's what it's coming down to for me. 3pTed vs WolfWiggly. I'm onboard chopping wolf wiggly over 3pTed
Some day I'm running that game.
It's already been said in thread that tomorrow we should look at the people who didn't want to chop tedTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:05 pmDollar to a do-nut that if Ted flips 3P someone off wagon gets pointed out as "wouldn't vote Ted, must have had TMI."Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:02 pmNo. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynchedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:57 pmI disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
No, more so I was hoping that we could come to a consensus on who to vote for that isn't either you or I. A Made vote sounds fruitless, but I'm still down for you shooting him.tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:08 pmwhat, you wanted a reason to go with it?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:06 pmNot making this easy are you bud?
Man, I really don't want to decline you your wincon for no reason tbh, but you gotta realize you are wrong on me. I think Tim summed it up with the statement "you're case isn't as airtight as you think" and I can even prove that I never lied.
he claimed immune to death as part of his role and i do have a one strongman shot to take out my target.
wilgy is never villager.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:10 pm I mean, I also think Ted is 3p. That just doesn't make me want to save him. I think that makes perfect sense. Maybe we just view what is the best course of action differently. I'm taking a more risk free route imo.
We had a game on PerC where we all were VTs on D1. And then the choppee from D1 became The Witch and could choose the scum team for herself on N1, and be in the scum chat with them all game. Pretty cool tbh. But also pretty trolly on D1 lol.
If Wilgy is town though Jack can maybe cop check him tonight...and the real beauty of Jack's cop check is that even if the wolves kill Jack it looks like his target still has to answer.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pmOR, and I know this may sound strange: We chop wiggly today b/c he's scum?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:01 pmWhat happens is: We use new mech info and we bag Wilgy next if he's scum.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
Like that's what it's coming down to for me. 3pTed vs WolfWiggly. I'm onboard chopping wolf wiggly over 3pTed
Yeah, I'm hard buddying ted/pushing wiggly so that me, the lazy bloke who contributes virtually nothing, can go deepDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:08 pmI think I just weigh the risk of Wilgy being town as a bigger downside then.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pmOR, and I know this may sound strange: We chop wiggly today b/c he's scum?
Like that's what it's coming down to for me. 3pTed vs WolfWiggly. I'm onboard chopping wolf wiggly over 3pTed
Say we chop Wilgy and he's town. What then? We have to spend a chop and a whole discussion on Ted tomorrow?
Or are you saying you are mafia with Wilgy?
LMAOOOOOOODrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:52 pm"I shouldn't be messed with so I can clear myself mechanically via myself or via Kyle. Hopefully scum doesn't interfere." - WilgyMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:50 pm Okay so
I targeted Wilgy last night. So he should have role checked himself. That clearly did not happen.
"I'm about to end this whole man's career." - MR
Oh I totally understand your position, I'm just confident wiggly is furry and would rather take that chop than potential fur/3p Ted.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:10 pm I mean, I also think Ted is 3p. That just doesn't make me want to save him. I think that makes perfect sense. Maybe we just view what is the best course of action differently. I'm taking a more risk free route imo.
This is not true though. You are either blinded by your bias or you know this already. We will likely know Wilgy's alignment tomorrow. I'm not risking losing town to save 3p who has been tracked to the kill target and pinged as mafia by another role. No way. Even if I think it's likely that you do flip 3p. I've said it many times now. I know this must make sense to you at some level if you just think it through, though it probably sucks.
“You need my role” is also a thing I’ve heard out of role madness wolves time and again.tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:08 pmwhat, you wanted a reason to go with it?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:06 pmNot making this easy are you bud?
Man, I really don't want to decline you your wincon for no reason tbh, but you gotta realize you are wrong on me. I think Tim summed it up with the statement "you're case isn't as airtight as you think" and I can even prove that I never lied.
he claimed immune to death as part of his role and i do have a one strongman shot to take out my target.
I'm fine with this tooDrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:49 pm Hold on. I have an idea. A compromise.
Ted's wincon is to blast a certain scum right?
Why not we yeet someone on the PoE that can't be rolechecked out of PoE (me) and at the same time keep Ted around until it's unsafe? Like, how many rounds with Ted do we have left before him being 3p is a risk. We can at least try to yeet Ted's teammate if he is scum.
watJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:15 pm “You need my role” is also a thing I’ve heard out of role madness wolves time and again.
I'm the one who made a serious argument to not chopping ted today so guess that's meTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:05 pmDollar to a do-nut that if Ted flips 3P someone off wagon gets pointed out as "wouldn't vote Ted, must have had TMI."Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:02 pmNo. If Ted is really 3rd we check wincon and search for scum, not start a vendetta for who wanted Ted lynchedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:57 pmI disagree. Chopping a town gets us further from our wincon. Chopping 3p/possible mafia/possible harmful 3p does not get us further from our wincon. And we will have more mech results tomorrow, cause we have enough town roles to do that now. So no. I'm not chopping possible town over 3p/possible mafia at all here.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:54 pmwhich is the thing I've been shouting into the void for hours at least. Ted likely flips 3p and puts us NO closer to finding a wolf. Chopping Wiggly (or Radish, that's spicy and I like it) gets us a lot closer to a wolf pelt than 3pTed does. Even if we're wrong on wiggly (or radish) we're still getting MORE and BETTER information than we would off of Ted.
I thought you were the vigilante.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:11 pmIf Wilgy is town though Jack can maybe cop check him tonight...and the real beauty of Jack's cop check is that even if the wolves kill Jack it looks like his target still has to answer.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pmOR, and I know this may sound strange: We chop wiggly today b/c he's scum?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:01 pmWhat happens is: We use new mech info and we bag Wilgy next if he's scum.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:00 pmThing is, I don't think Wiggly is town. I also think 3pTed is a bad chop/bad vote, and gets us nowhere b/c we chop Ted today yeah? and he flips 3p as I expect, and then what? We railroad the people who were shouting not to chop Ted yesterday b/c reasons I guess?
Like that's what it's coming down to for me. 3pTed vs WolfWiggly. I'm onboard chopping wolf wiggly over 3pTed
PS @Jackofhearts2005 you do recognize that if you hadn't blown off the strongest town role in the game until you got flipped and resurrected this mess would likely be over now, yeah? You have ascended to eternal meme status here.
