The Syndicate

I think it should come as no surprise that I am going to VOTE WILGY

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:50 pm There would be little to no benefit in having a civ mirror of nutellas role that revealed legitimate roles publicly. If anything that would benefit nutella's mafia team proportionately more than the civs, and might also benefit the second mafia team as well.

Ergo, Chuck was revealed by Nutella.

I diasagree.

I disagree with your premise, and I doubly disagree that your assumption of it makes it a foregone conclusion as shown in your use of "Ergo". "Ergo" implies a logical proof or succession of thought, and your opinion is not such (neither is mine).

You are never going to agree with me, but I am right. And I hope you admit to it when this is done.

I am gonna be stuck in Snowmageddon traffic for a few hours, but will be home in plenty of time to catch up.

[mention]Scotty[/mention], fair enough. What is the case on Wilgy, in your words, don't need posts. I can look them up later myself. I want you to tell me why you think he's bad.

Hey did you guys come to the conclusion in the Cerberus thread that Cbob was town during the past couple days?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:32 pm Hey did you guys come to the conclusion in the Cerberus thread that Cbob was town during the past couple days?

nnnnnno.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:38 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:32 pm Hey did you guys come to the conclusion in the Cerberus thread that Cbob was town during the past couple days?

nnnnnno.

Let me elaborate.

Cbob hasn't been around, hasn't done that much. I imagine he's spending much of his time on the Fire Emblem endgame.

So I haven't been pursuing him super hard either.

So all discussion about the alignment of his Charlie pace role just disappeared?

I mean inherently I wouldn’t find it a town role, but then again. I have a role that would look god awful if it was my first flip too.

Linki: fair enough but excuses don’t last forever

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:40 pm So all discussion about the alignment of his Charlie pace role just disappeared?

I mean inherently I wouldn’t find it a town role, but then again. I have a role that would look god awful if it was my first flip too.

Linki: fair enough but excuses don’t last forever

It didn't disappear, but it didn't really progress. Cerberus tribe in general didn't progress, though. Go look at it. It felt like SVS and I were just casually talking half the time.

I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:01 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:50 pm There would be little to no benefit in having a civ mirror of nutellas role that revealed legitimate roles publicly. If anything that would benefit nutella's mafia team proportionately more than the civs, and might also benefit the second mafia team as well.

Ergo, Chuck was revealed by Nutella.

I diasagree.

I disagree with your premise, and I doubly disagree that your assumption of it makes it a foregone conclusion as shown in your use of "Ergo". "Ergo" implies a logical proof or succession of thought, and your opinion is not such (neither is mine).

You are never going to agree with me, but I am right. And I hope you admit to it when this is done.

I am gonna be stuck in Snowmageddon traffic for a few hours, but will be home in plenty of time to catch up.

@Scotty, fair enough. What is the case on Wilgy, in your words, don't need posts. I can look them up later myself. I want you to tell me why you think he's bad.

Lots of people thought the world was flat at one point.

vote drwilgy for aubergines that i'm sure have already been brought up by others.

Someone from Pikachu 2.0 presumably killed sprityo last night. POE suggests that someone was wilgy.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:23 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:01 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:50 pm There would be little to no benefit in having a civ mirror of nutellas role that revealed legitimate roles publicly. If anything that would benefit nutella's mafia team proportionately more than the civs, and might also benefit the second mafia team as well.

Ergo, Chuck was revealed by Nutella.

I diasagree.

I disagree with your premise, and I doubly disagree that your assumption of it makes it a foregone conclusion as shown in your use of "Ergo". "Ergo" implies a logical proof or succession of thought, and your opinion is not such (neither is mine).

You are never going to agree with me, but I am right. And I hope you admit to it when this is done.

I am gonna be stuck in Snowmageddon traffic for a few hours, but will be home in plenty of time to catch up.

@ Scotty, fair enough. What is the case on Wilgy, in your words, don't need posts. I can look them up later myself. I want you to tell me why you think he's bad.

Lots of people thought the world was flat at one point.

Sure but I'm not one of them. Are you? Becasue you seem to be the one not taking everything into account and just believing what you want to believe.

What happened to your suspicion of Epi? Dropped that?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:26 pm vote drwilgy for aubergines that i'm sure have already been brought up by others.

Someone from Pikachu 2.0 presumably killed sprityo last night. POE suggests that someone was wilgy.

No actually, they haven't. Could you? I never got caught up to that in Cerberus, and people keep voting for him here with a variation on, "Becasue everyone knows why". I don't can you tell me?

What makes you think I've dropped my suspicion of Epignosis?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:33 pm What makes you think I've dropped my suspicion of Epignosis?

You haven't mentioned him since last night and you haven't voted for him. If you are so sure about him and Chuck, and you can't vote for Chuck why aren't you voting for Epi? You would think that would help to prove your point on Chuck.

Becasue you seem to be the one not taking everything into account and just believing what you want to believe.

Lets take a look at this:

Evidence against Speedchuck:

- He did some mad sketchy shit with his vote D1
- Didn't seem to care about his suspicions, voted counter to them in fact.
- His role was revealed as town randomly
- Nutella dies and flips the mafia member that publicly reveals roles, but in reverse alignment

Chuck's Behavior + Nutella's flip = Documented, actual evidence that proves he's bad.

For what you're proposing to be true, there would have to be a civ counter to nutellas role (which we don't know there is), that role would have to reveal alignments truthfully and publicly (Incredibly unlikely for a civ role to just out people in the thread for a number of reasons. Namely, the boards aversion to infodumping, and the fact that even if it were true, the role would be considerably more beneficial for the mafia since they would then know via public information who to kill/target for maximum effect)

Dunno, seems like you're the one bending over backwards for ol' Chuckles. He bad girl. He bad.

If I understand your theory about nutella, S~V~S- that nutella didn't know she would die and would be holding on to her ability- I would argue that, from my perspective at least, nutella did not look engaged since LC went down. Might she have figured that she was likely to be lynched sooner rather than later? Wouldn't she have targeted speedchuck, who was unlikely to be lynched, hoping that the hosts would "confirm" his affiliation? If that was the case, then couldn't her shot have backfired for her in "clearing" a mafia speedchuck?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:40 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:33 pm What makes you think I've dropped my suspicion of Epignosis?

You haven't mentioned him since last night and you haven't voted for him. If you are so sure about him and Chuck, and you can't vote for Chuck why aren't you voting for Epi? You would think that would help to prove your point on Chuck.

I mentioned him as early as last night, and you think I've dropped him as a suspect?

I'm not voting for him because theres no way anyone will fuck with that vote. Nobody will support an Epi vote. Much as I suspect the guy I'm not gonna take a shot at him that isn't a kill shot.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:40 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:33 pm What makes you think I've dropped my suspicion of Epignosis?

You haven't mentioned him since last night and you haven't voted for him. If you are so sure about him and Chuck, and you can't vote for Chuck why aren't you voting for Epi? You would think that would help to prove your point on Chuck.

I mentioned him as early as last night, and you think I've dropped him as a suspect?

I'm not voting for him because theres no way anyone will fuck with that vote. Nobody will support an Epi vote. Much as I suspect the guy I'm not gonna take a shot at him that isn't a kill shot.

At this point I'm almost wishing speedchuck gets lynched and shows up good so you'll get off my ass.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:40 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:33 pm What makes you think I've dropped my suspicion of Epignosis?

You haven't mentioned him since last night and you haven't voted for him. If you are so sure about him and Chuck, and you can't vote for Chuck why aren't you voting for Epi? You would think that would help to prove your point on Chuck.

I mentioned him as early as last night, and you think I've dropped him as a suspect?

I'm not voting for him because theres no way anyone will fuck with that vote. Nobody will support an Epi vote. Much as I suspect the guy I'm not gonna take a shot at him that isn't a kill shot.

But you do think you can lynch Chuck based on the Nutella flip? But you don't think you can associate the two of them without Chuck being lynched first. Am I correct about that?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 pm I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.

What angle is that?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:40 pm So all discussion about the alignment of his Charlie pace role just disappeared?

I mean inherently I wouldn’t find it a town role, but then again. I have a role that would look god awful if it was my first flip too.

Linki: fair enough but excuses don’t last forever

Yeah, agreed. Can YOU tell me why people are voting for Wilgy, since I seem to be out of that loop?

Linki, I know the next few days are gonna be awesome. I think Chuckles said that himself.

But you do think you can lynch Chuck based on the Nutella flip? But you don't think you can associate the two of them without Chuck being lynched first. Am I correct about that?

I dunno I'm 50/50 on it tbqh. I mean there is literally a mountain of evidence against the guy and no viable civ reason that explains it away in any meaningful way. But people are still somehow like "Chuck seems civ"

Chuck's flip will strengthen an Epi case, yes. If I can't get Chuck lynched with the evidence that's been laid out then there's no way I can get Epi lynched with the evidence on him.

Gotta drag you guys by the heel I guess. S'okay, I'll def. do it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:48 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:40 pm So all discussion about the alignment of his Charlie pace role just disappeared?

I mean inherently I wouldn’t find it a town role, but then again. I have a role that would look god awful if it was my first flip too.

Linki: fair enough but excuses don’t last forever

It didn't disappear, but it didn't really progress. Cerberus tribe in general didn't progress, though. Go look at it. It felt like SVS and I were just casually talking half the time.

Don't forget the part where I spent large chunks of time in there by myself recapping while NO ONE AT ALL POSTED or commented or acknowledged it at all. I almost hired Slooneis DJ myself

I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:37 pm I think it should come as no surprise that I am going to VOTE WILGY

Daisy

I never got to finding all of this in Cerberus, can you explain the Wilgy suspicion for me? I saw your posts where you said it was a meta tone thing, that he's more playful when civ, which is something I can get behind. Was there also thread?

Linki @ Sloonei, thanks.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.

Can you direct me to where you explain your Scotty reads, or where I might see what you see? Cause, tbh, I don't see it. I get you on Epi, to some extend on Daisy, I have not read enough of Kyle, I will do so. But Scotty, I am not getting it. Re DH, I choose not to have an opinion unless I am sure.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:50 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:40 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:33 pm What makes you think I've dropped my suspicion of Epignosis?

You haven't mentioned him since last night and you haven't voted for him. If you are so sure about him and Chuck, and you can't vote for Chuck why aren't you voting for Epi? You would think that would help to prove your point on Chuck.

I mentioned him as early as last night, and you think I've dropped him as a suspect?

I'm not voting for him because theres no way anyone will fuck with that vote. Nobody will support an Epi vote. Much as I suspect the guy I'm not gonna take a shot at him that isn't a kill shot.

At this point I'm almost wishing speedchuck gets lynched and shows up good so you'll get off my ass.

I can help with that.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:53 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 pm I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.

What angle is that?

If we were teammates nutella wouldn't have been the one hit by my bomb

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:25 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:53 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 pm I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.

What angle is that?

If we were teammates nutella wouldn't have been the one hit by my bomb

That's a good angle. It also clears you of suspicion I had of you for missing the Day 5 vote, and then implying you did not. Everyone has a memory lapse, and Nutella was on the same team as LC.

Do you have a similar one for Marmot?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.

Can you direct me to where you explain your Scotty reads, or where I might see what you see? Cause, tbh, I don't see it. I get you on Epi, to some extend on Daisy, I have not read enough of Kyle, I will do so. But Scotty, I am not getting it. Re DH, I choose not to have an opinion unless I am sure.

There were points where the Cerberus thread would have been dead in the water if Scotty hadn't been keeping it afloat. It wasn't like the empty fluffy prods for activity that Marmot was providing. Scotty was resonating earnesty to me. I could sense the direction and effort to solve the game in his posts. The only hesitation I have is that we have two scum teams, so even a baddie on Team A is going to make a sincere effort to hunt Team B. But Scotty was supertowning for the whole middle portion of the game and I haven't seen him slow down yet.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.

Can you direct me to where you explain your Scotty reads, or where I might see what you see? Cause, tbh, I don't see it. I get you on Epi, to some extend on Daisy, I have not read enough of Kyle, I will do so. But Scotty, I am not getting it. Re DH, I choose not to have an opinion unless I am sure.

There were points where the Cerberus thread would have been dead in the water if Scotty hadn't been keeping it afloat. It wasn't like the empty fluffy prods for activity that Marmot was providing. Scotty was resonating earnesty to me. I could sense the direction and effort to solve the game in his posts. The only hesitation I have is that we have two scum teams, so even a baddie on Team A is going to make a sincere effort to hunt Team B. But Scotty was supertowning for the whole middle portion of the game and I haven't seen him slow down yet.

So it is tone more so than specific content? I can get that.

I tend to ignore tone with Scotty, since he is an actor and a fairly good one, I think. He almost always sounds hearty "hale fellow well met"-ish to me, if that makes sense. I tend to pay attention more to what he says than to how he says it, which is different for me, and somewhat harder, so I pay more attention. But am also probably more likely to read into things I would not read into with others.

Thanks for the clarity, I may spend the time between now and the poll rereading him with this in mind. As of now, he is the person I plan to vote for, but that may change.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:41 pm If I understand your theory about nutella, S~V~S- that nutella didn't know she would die and would be holding on to her ability- I would argue that, from my perspective at least, nutella did not look engaged since LC went down. Might she have figured that she was likely to be lynched sooner rather than later? Wouldn't she have targeted speedchuck, who was unlikely to be lynched, hoping that the hosts would "confirm" his affiliation? If that was the case, then couldn't her shot have backfired for her in "clearing" a mafia speedchuck?

Can I emphasize something?

The above case is the only way that I am scum.
It doesn't make sense for nutella to implicate me like this, and it doesn't make sense for me to try so hard to save LC as his teammate. I was mathematically near-confirmed town with my first role, and I freaking hold to that. If you think I'm scum with LC and Nutella, then that's your problem, not a problem with the setup. You are bad at mafia.

So let's assume for a second that I am on Strex, and that nutella was trying to condemn me and accidentally hit a scum. That's the theory.
First of all, lol. This totally ruins my theory of Strex only being in Cerberus (to explain the nightkills). On top of that, I would have caught LC's slip originally, and believed it. Scumchuck would be a scumhunter too, in this game. ON TOP OF ALL THAT, I'd have freaking killed Dom and DH already for their sarcastic pursuit of me, if I could convince my team. It doesn't make sense for me to be Strex.

Sorry, got sidetracked. Real point following.

Assume that I, speedchuck, am Strexcorp. Do you think that BOTH LC and Nutella would target me with their alignment flip roles? LC before his death, and then nutella later?
Why?
I certainly can't think of a reason.

All this to say: When I flip town tomorrow night, freaking believe it. Use it. Thanks.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:27 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:25 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:53 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 pm I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.

What angle is that?

If we were teammates nutella wouldn't have been the one hit by my bomb

That's a good angle. It also clears you of suspicion I had of you for missing the Day 5 vote, and then implying you did not. Everyone has a memory lapse, and Nutella was on the same team as LC.

Do you have a similar one for Marmot?

No, he got lynched during the day I was totally absent from the game because I didn't know the transfer had happened, right?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:41 pm If I understand your theory about nutella, S~V~S- that nutella didn't know she would die and would be holding on to her ability- I would argue that, from my perspective at least, nutella did not look engaged since LC went down. Might she have figured that she was likely to be lynched sooner rather than later? Wouldn't she have targeted speedchuck, who was unlikely to be lynched, hoping that the hosts would "confirm" his affiliation? If that was the case, then couldn't her shot have backfired for her in "clearing" a mafia speedchuck?

Can I emphasize something?

The above case is the only way that I am scum.
It doesn't make sense for nutella to implicate me like this, and it doesn't make sense for me to try so hard to save LC as his teammate. I was mathematically near-confirmed town with my first role, and I freaking hold to that. If you think I'm scum with LC and Nutella, then that's your problem, not a problem with the setup. You are bad at mafia.

So let's assume for a second that I am on Strex, and that nutella was trying to condemn me and accidentally hit a scum. That's the theory.
First of all, lol. This totally ruins my theory of Strex only being in Cerberus (to explain the nightkills). On top of that, I would have caught LC's slip originally, and believed it. Scumchuck would be a scumhunter too, in this game. ON TOP OF ALL THAT, I'd have freaking killed Dom and DH already for their sarcastic pursuit of me, if I could convince my team. It doesn't make sense for me to be Strex.

Sorry, got sidetracked. Real point following.

Assume that I, speedchuck, am Strexcorp. Do you think that BOTH LC and Nutella would target me with their alignment flip roles? LC before his death, and then nutella later?
Why?
I certainly can't think of a reason.

All this to say: When I flip town tomorrow night, freaking believe it. Use it. Thanks.

I'm bad at Mafia?

The entire purpose of that post is to challenge S~V~S's perspective about nutella for the purpose of gaining clarity. I certainly do not think you are bad with LC and nutella, because nutella could not use her ability on you. My intention is to eliminate what possibilities I can reasonably eliminate and sort out what I think happened from what is left.

This was my first statement of suspicion against Wilgy.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:40 pm I'm still feeling Boomslang frankly.

He used sig's comment about being 70% sure he submitted a haiku as basis for a vote. But frankly I don't see it in the same light he does at all. It looks more like a lazy civ than a lying baddie. I mean, if bad it would be to his advantage to just say, "I submitted a haiku" and hopefully avoid a lynch because of it. If he was civ, sure he could go doublecheck to make sure he sent it. I just can't see a baddie just lying in such a weird way. It looks more like sig being sig.

I'm also reading Kyle as Civ for the record, his questions are good and insightful and strike me as sincere.

The other person I am feeling baddie vibes from right now is Wilgy. He looks like Wilgy in Mountain mafia. In that game I felt like, whoa, Wilgy is playing it straight, no big schtick, this is weird. And I said so in thread and I got poo pooed. Oh I don't want to vote for Wilgy because he's contributing without a big schtick. So I dismissed it and thought that maybe I was just off base. Guess who was bad? Wilgy. And I am seeing Wilgy playing a straight game again. I could easily put a vote there today too. In fact I think I will VOTE DrWilgy aubergine.

This is my case laid out all nice and neat...

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:34 am To everyone saying that Wilgy is playing like his normal self, please tell me you don't see a difference between his civ game and his mafia game...

Mountain Mafia, where he was bad: Posts

Pirates Mafia, where he was civ: Posts

Seinfeld Mafia, where he was bad: Posts, as Tim Whatley,
which has been renamed Juliet since

Great Gatsby where he was an 3P who could win with anyone: Posts

Pokemon Mafia where he is bad: Posts

Welcome to Night Vale where he was civ: Posts

Fiddler on the Roof where he was civ: Posts

I think if you look at these games you will see that bad Wilgy plays more straight laced. Good Wilgy uses gimmicks. Good Wilgy doesn't play like he cares, he seems to mostly just be having a good time. Bad Wilgy puts a lot more effort into looking good than Good Wilgy. Do not be fooled by him. I don't believe he is good. He started throwing in more jokes once this meta started to get brought up and I'm not buying this!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:56 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:41 pm If I understand your theory about nutella, S~V~S- that nutella didn't know she would die and would be holding on to her ability- I would argue that, from my perspective at least, nutella did not look engaged since LC went down. Might she have figured that she was likely to be lynched sooner rather than later? Wouldn't she have targeted speedchuck, who was unlikely to be lynched, hoping that the hosts would "confirm" his affiliation? If that was the case, then couldn't her shot have backfired for her in "clearing" a mafia speedchuck?

Can I emphasize something?

The above case is the only way that I am scum.
It doesn't make sense for nutella to implicate me like this, and it doesn't make sense for me to try so hard to save LC as his teammate. I was mathematically near-confirmed town with my first role, and I freaking hold to that. If you think I'm scum with LC and Nutella, then that's your problem, not a problem with the setup. You are bad at mafia.

So let's assume for a second that I am on Strex, and that nutella was trying to condemn me and accidentally hit a scum. That's the theory.
First of all, lol. This totally ruins my theory of Strex only being in Cerberus (to explain the nightkills). On top of that, I would have caught LC's slip originally, and believed it. Scumchuck would be a scumhunter too, in this game. ON TOP OF ALL THAT, I'd have freaking killed Dom and DH already for their sarcastic pursuit of me, if I could convince my team. It doesn't make sense for me to be Strex.

Sorry, got sidetracked. Real point following.

Assume that I, speedchuck, am Strexcorp. Do you think that BOTH LC and Nutella would target me with their alignment flip roles? LC before his death, and then nutella later?
Why?
I certainly can't think of a reason.

All this to say: When I flip town tomorrow night, freaking believe it. Use it. Thanks.

I'm bad at Mafia?

The entire purpose of that post is to challenge S~V~S's perspective about nutella for the purpose of gaining clarity. I certainly do not think you are bad with LC and nutella, because nutella could not use her ability on you. My intention is to eliminate what possibilities I can reasonably eliminate and sort out what I think happened from what is left.

Nonono, I was springboarding off of your post! My post was directed at a strawman, not you.
And it says they are bad at mafia IF they think I'm scum with LC and nutella.
Which admittedly isn't nice, but I'm not calling you out.

Also lol, forgot about nutella being unable to target me. Yeah. Forget that part of the post.

Got it.

Oh good thing I checked, I thought the poll ended TONIGHT! I did not realize the poll was completely restarted and ends tomorrow.

Linki @ Epi, I still think Chuck might be bad with Nutella, and I am OK at Mafia I also think the reveal in the thread is the one he will flip as, becasue I don't think Nutella targeted him. I think it possible LC targeted him, and LC alone. I was hoping to have more time to explore this possibility (I was in the middle of starting this when Nutella flipped and all opportunistic illogical hell broke loose) but of course that isn't going to happen now. And I could be wrong, and there is no way of knowing it until games end. It's why I asked the hosts if we would be told if a team is eliminated and they said, not surprisingly, no. But I still have major issues getting over how aggressively he defended LC.

Chuck is a charming and lovely adversary and I would Mafia with him all day long. But at this point, I still view him as an adversary. I guess I should be pleased about all of this, lynching someone I think is likely bad is lynching someone who is likely bad. But I think we will learn nothing, and probably create opportunities for his Cerberus teammates to get cred and skate. But I dislike lynching someone for the wrong reason, and I firmly believe this is the wrong reason.

I know I am a Cassandra shouting in the wilderness, but meh. I'm used to it.

Linki @ Daisy, Thank You

Following the train, because I've fallen off of it. Vote Wilgy aubergine.

@ Daisy

I missed this long post with links in my read, or if I saw it I just got the general gist of it. Nice!

Did he ever address this in a real way? Now that I have a whole nother day to read, I can and will look it up myself (scary spelling moment of the day [mention]Epignosis[/mention], my autocorrect has NOT highlighted "nother", lol). But i like hearing peoples impressions as well, if possible and time allows.

Also, do you have reads on anyone else from Cerberus? Nothing detailed, just top of the head.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:08 pm Oh good thing I checked, I thought the poll ended TONIGHT! I did not realize the poll was completely restarted and ends tomorrow.

Linki @ Epi, I still think Chuck might be bad with Nutella, and I am OK at Mafia I also think the reveal in the thread is the one he will flip as, becasue I don't think Nutella targeted him. I think it possible LC targeted him, and LC alone. I was hoping to have more time to explore this possibility (I was in the middle of starting this when Nutella flipped and all opportunistic illogical hell broke loose) but of course that isn't going to happen now. And I could be wrong, and there is no way of knowing it until games end. It's why I asked the hosts if we would be told if a team is eliminated and they said, not surprisingly, no. But I still have major issues getting over how aggressively he defended LC.

Chuck is a charming and lovely adversary and I would Mafia with him all day long. But at this point, I still view him as an adversary. I guess I should be pleased about all of this, lynching someone I think is likely bad is lynching someone who is likely bad. But I think we will learn nothing, and probably create opportunities for his Cerberus teammates to get cred and skate. But I dislike lynching someone for the wrong reason, and I firmly believe this is the wrong reason.

I know I am a Cassandra shouting in the wilderness, but meh. I'm used to it.

Linki @ Daisy, Thank You

On the one hand, I'm charming and lovely. I'm glad you aren't one of those people that are like "I'm not signing up for a game with speedchuck again!"
On the other, I thought we had gotten past this.

Don't you ruin my flip. Roles do exactly as they say. I learned that in Buffy mafia. Long Con's role could not have revealed me in thread.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:08 pm Oh good thing I checked, I thought the poll ended TONIGHT! I did not realize the poll was completely restarted and ends tomorrow.

Linki @ Epi, I still think Chuck might be bad with Nutella, and I am OK at Mafia I also think the reveal in the thread is the one he will flip as, becasue I don't think Nutella targeted him. I think it possible LC targeted him, and LC alone. I was hoping to have more time to explore this possibility (I was in the middle of starting this when Nutella flipped and all opportunistic illogical hell broke loose) but of course that isn't going to happen now. And I could be wrong, and there is no way of knowing it until games end. It's why I asked the hosts if we would be told if a team is eliminated and they said, not surprisingly, no. But I still have major issues getting over how aggressively he defended LC.

Chuck is a charming and lovely adversary and I would Mafia with him all day long. But at this point, I still view him as an adversary. I guess I should be pleased about all of this, lynching someone I think is likely bad is lynching someone who is likely bad. But I think we will learn nothing, and probably create opportunities for his Cerberus teammates to get cred and skate. But I dislike lynching someone for the wrong reason, and I firmly believe this is the wrong reason.

I know I am a Cassandra shouting in the wilderness, but meh. I'm used to it.

Linki @ Daisy, Thank You

The problem with thinking LC fiddled with speedchuck's role is that for LC's ability to take effect, speedchuck would have had to die. And speedchuck did not die before LC got his second role.

Why'd you call them his "Cerberus teammates?"

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:01 pm fair enough. What is the case on Wilgy, in your words, don't need posts. I can look them up later myself. I want you to tell me why you think he's bad.

I must preface that lack of engagement and commitment with the game has given me hives.

Which is also my flaw, I think.

Like if it weren’t for the nutell reveal, speed would be a strong civ read. He’s actively trying to solve the game. As it is, that doesn’t mean a player is civ, but my prediliction is that they are. It’s why I started feeling better about Marmot around day 4ish up until he left for like a week because he was engaged with the thread.

So when someone like Wilgy has been plopping his big clown shoes around the house and whistling in a corner, the eye of sauron shone bright.

I made a case right around when sig was the main lynch of contention that Wilgy would look very bad if dog appeared as bad. Besides the fact that he was periodically lurking without posting- and when he did post, it was conscious abstention from the goings-on of the thread- he voted for Boom I think right before EoD. His post was something akin to “wow people want sig dead Ima vote someone else”. I don’t remember the vote totals but it could Jane sent sig over the edge.

So it was a throwaway vote with no real opinion on the sig lynch. If sig is not bad, then it makes it less of a save opportunity but his engagement in this game is piss poor without any sort of excuse behind it. In fact, that unapologetic attitude is why we were looking at sig on his potential lynch day.

So why not vote Wilgy? Like Marmot, it’s not like he’s defending himself here.

[mention]S~V~S[/mention] you could be right about Speedchuck, but let’s be real here. there is PLENTY to be learned from speed’s flip. To say we would learn nothing is patently false

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:08 pm Oh good thing I checked, I thought the poll ended TONIGHT! I did not realize the poll was completely restarted and ends tomorrow.

Linki @ Epi, I still think Chuck might be bad with Nutella, and I am OK at Mafia I also think the reveal in the thread is the one he will flip as, becasue I don't think Nutella targeted him. I think it possible LC targeted him, and LC alone. I was hoping to have more time to explore this possibility (I was in the middle of starting this when Nutella flipped and all opportunistic illogical hell broke loose) but of course that isn't going to happen now. And I could be wrong, and there is no way of knowing it until games end. It's why I asked the hosts if we would be told if a team is eliminated and they said, not surprisingly, no. But I still have major issues getting over how aggressively he defended LC.

Chuck is a charming and lovely adversary and I would Mafia with him all day long. But at this point, I still view him as an adversary. I guess I should be pleased about all of this, lynching someone I think is likely bad is lynching someone who is likely bad. But I think we will learn nothing, and probably create opportunities for his Cerberus teammates to get cred and skate. But I dislike lynching someone for the wrong reason, and I firmly believe this is the wrong reason.

I know I am a Cassandra shouting in the wilderness, but meh. I'm used to it.

Linki @ Daisy, Thank You

On the one hand, I'm charming and lovely. I'm glad you aren't one of those people that are like "I'm not signing up for a game with speedchuck again!"
On the other, I thought we had gotten past this.

Don't you ruin my flip. Roles do exactly as they say. I learned that in Buffy mafia. Long Con's role could not have revealed me in thread.

We agree to disagree; I don't see how I would get past how hard you went to bat for LC, especially after seeing his flip

See, when I got my role, my first thought was to get rid of it as soon as possible. So I suggested the round robin and acted generally baddie the first part of Day 1. Then I thought to verify with the host if the effects of my role died with me, or if the people I poisoned stayed poisoned after I died. And I was told they would still be poisoned after I died. So I changed my play, and if you reread my Day One you can probably pinpoint where I started to superciv.

If the effects of my role could last after I died, the effects of LCs role could, too. So no way of proving it until endgame. I think LC made you look civ. Some hapless civvie revealed the role you would flip as, which helped you, and Nutellas death threw a wrench in everyones works. I had planned to poke you and prod you and watch you and wait for your mistake, but that won't happen now.

It's an improbably tale, but it's what I believe

*howls in the wilderness*

linki @ Epi, do I not speak English? His Cerberus teammates: The member(s) of the even team that were originally on Cerberus. And see above^^ I think that power could have lasted after LCs death, if he targeted them before he died. It's a stretch, but it's my stretch. And it is tenuous, which is why I was not aggressive about it. I wanted to watch him. Then the Opportunistic Bowl happened.

linki @ Scotty, will read in a sec.

Linki @ Scotty part deux~ what would he learn if he flips the role he was revealed in thread as being?

*what would WE learn

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:09 pm Following the train, because I've fallen off of it. Vote Wilgy aubergine.

Alllll ABOOOOOARD

Why are you voting Wilgy? Literally because everyone else is voting him?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:22 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:01 pm fair enough. What is the case on Wilgy, in your words, don't need posts. I can look them up later myself. I want you to tell me why you think he's bad.

I must preface that lack of engagement and commitment with the game has given me hives.

Which is also my flaw, I think.

Like if it weren’t for the nutell reveal, speed would be a strong civ read. He’s actively trying to solve the game. As it is, that doesn’t mean a player is civ, but my prediliction is that they are. It’s why I started feeling better about Marmot around day 4ish up until he left for like a week because he was engaged with the thread.

So when someone like Wilgy has been plopping his big clown shoes around the house and whistling in a corner, the eye of sauron shone bright.

I made a case right around when sig was the main lynch of contention that Wilgy would look very bad if dog appeared as bad. Besides the fact that he was periodically lurking without posting- and when he did post, it was conscious abstention from the goings-on of the thread- he voted for Boom I think right before EoD. His post was something akin to “wow people want sig dead Ima vote someone else”. I don’t remember the vote totals but it could Jane sent sig over the edge.

So it was a throwaway vote with no real opinion on the sig lynch. If sig is not bad, then it makes it less of a save opportunity but his engagement in this game is piss poor without any sort of excuse behind it. In fact, that unapologetic attitude is why we were looking at sig on his potential lynch day.

So why not vote Wilgy? Like Marmot, it’s not like he’s defending himself here.

That is probably why I wouldn't; I don't love lynching people who are not defending, and we have another day to wait for him. But I am going to check out Daisys links and might wind up voting for him, especially if he shows up to defens and I don't like what he says.

If you think alot of Wilgys baddieness predicates on sigs, why not push for a lynch of sig, as you did previously in the game?

linki @ DH Good Luck!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:30 pm *what would WE learn

A) there is most likely a civ/true revealer
B) someone pushing the narrative that speed is bad is probably disengenuous. Yes, that includes me.
C) we can use a lot of speed’s reads as canon, because he’s lookin pretty civ otherwise

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:31 pm

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:09 pm Following the train, because I've fallen off of it. Vote Wilgy aubergine.

Alllll ABOOOOOARD

Why are you voting Wilgy? Literally because everyone else is voting him?

yeah, right?

And seeing Boom reminds me, where is Blooper? I saw her in here earlier, but I don't think she posted?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:35 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:30 pm *what would WE learn

A) there is most likely a civ/true revealer
B) someone pushing the narrative that speed is bad is probably disengenuous. Yes, that includes me.
C) we can use a lot of speed’s reads as canon, because he’s lookin pretty civ otherwise

Honest question cuz I can't recall

Have there been any other reveals/what other reveals were there?