Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:56 pm
Once this gets unapproved, I got the team for you, DH. So buckle up
OK, who?
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Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:59 pm
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:01 pm
Me, Golden, speed, and MP
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:02 pm
Literally why would I assemble or approve a team
A) I'm not on
B) MP is on
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:03 pm
Not MP, not today. Pick a different fourth.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:08 pm
Told you to buckle up.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:02 pmLiterally why would I assemble or approve a team
A) I'm not on
B) MP is on
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:12 pm
I'd maybe pull MP out, put me in, not sure what I'd do with Chuck. But you can stay and I've got no problem with Golden yet so that can stay.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:08 pmTold you to buckle up.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:02 pmLiterally why would I assemble or approve a team
A) I'm not on
B) MP is on
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:17 pm
Why don’t you like Mp? He hasn’t even posted yetDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:12 pmI'd maybe pull MP out, put me in, not sure what I'd do with Chuck. But you can stay and I've got no problem with Golden yet so that can stay.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:08 pmTold you to buckle up.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:02 pmLiterally why would I assemble or approve a team
A) I'm not on
B) MP is on
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:18 pm
That's the problem 
he's finishing his dissertation today. He can't probably vote at all.
he's finishing his dissertation today. He can't probably vote at all.Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:19 pm
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:20 pm
I think Golden made a good point. I wouldn't want him on a team if he's busy.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:22 pm
Why should he being busy make him a bad person on the mission? There’s no time limit to vote on a juryDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:20 pm I think Golden made a good point. I wouldn't want him on a team if he's busy.
Unless you both know something I don’t
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:25 pm
[mention]insertnamehere[/mention] Am I misunderstanding or do all team members need to vote for the mission to be over/resolved?Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:22 pmWhy should he being busy make him a bad person on the mission? There’s no time limit to vote on a juryDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:20 pm I think Golden made a good point. I wouldn't want him on a team if he's busy.
Unless you both know something I don’t
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:26 pm
That's why, Scotty.When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:28 pm
What’s why? I don’t see anywhere that mentions a time limit. MP will eventually get around here, and vote. Then the results will be revealedDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:26 pmThat's why, Scotty.When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:29 pm
If he is good, I definitely want him on the mission. Because, you know, we need to find the defendant guilty or some such
But again, it you know something I don’t, then I’ll back off
But again, it you know something I don’t, then I’ll back off
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:30 pm
*eventuallyScotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:28 pmWhat’s why? I don’t see anywhere that mentions a time limit. MP will eventually get around here, and vote. Then the results will be revealedDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:26 pmThat's why, Scotty.When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict
Linki - Its a matter of expediency for me, he could be good, but it doesn't do me any good to fuck around and wait to find out.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:31 pm
Just that waiting around a day for MP doesn't seem like the best use of our time. I take your point though, I thought we had a 12 hour limit for all of these things but if there is none it doesn't matter so much.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:22 pmWhy should he being busy make him a bad person on the mission? There’s no time limit to vote on a juryDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:20 pm I think Golden made a good point. I wouldn't want him on a team if he's busy.
Unless you both know something I don’t
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:32 pm
Put him on your team(s) if it gets to you. No skin off my nose.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:32 pm
You prefer to rush into things, eh?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:30 pm*eventuallyScotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:28 pmWhat’s why? I don’t see anywhere that mentions a time limit. MP will eventually get around here, and vote. Then the results will be revealedDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:26 pmThat's why, Scotty.When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict
Linki - Its a matter of expediency for me, he could be good, but it doesn't do me any good to fuck around and wait to find out.
Duly noted. I’m rejecting whatever mission you propose
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:32 pm
Looks like the 12 hours is just to pick a jury not give a verdict.
But I don't think we should we trying to play the slowest game of Avalon in history either.
But I don't think we should we trying to play the slowest game of Avalon in history either.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:35 pm
I dunno if I said that, I think I'd rather just not wait three days for a single person.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:32 pmYou prefer to rush into things, eh?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:30 pm*eventuallyScotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:28 pmWhat’s why? I don’t see anywhere that mentions a time limit. MP will eventually get around here, and vote. Then the results will be revealedDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:26 pmThat's why, Scotty.When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict
Linki - Its a matter of expediency for me, he could be good, but it doesn't do me any good to fuck around and wait to find out.
Duly noted. I’m rejecting whatever mission you propose
If MP checks in and is like "Hey lets goo" I'm good to put him on my team, but if he's not going to be around, why would I bother?
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:36 pm
Sure, I don’t either, but I don’t know what DH really intended with omitting Mp.
What do you think of putting Mp on, Golden? If time was a non factor
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:37 pm
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:38 pm
DP, i see you lurking. What mission would you propose right now if it were your turn?
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:38 pm
In the interest of expediency, I’m instituting a 12 hour deadline for players to vote if they are chosen to be in an approved jury. Non-votes will be counted as abstentions, and will not impact the verdict.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:39 pm
It’s not that I necessarily want him on my team, it’s that you (and to an extent golden) didnt. That’s the strange partDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:37 pmWhy do you have a hard on for putting the guy on a team?
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:39 pm
Well there ya have itinsertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:38 pm In the interest of expediency, I’m instituting a 12 hour deadline for players to vote if they are chosen to be in an approved jury. Non-votes will be counted as abstentions, and will not impact the verdict.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:41 pm
No no no no no no no son, you don't get to piss down my back and tell me its raining :PScotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:39 pmIt’s not that I necessarily want him on my team, it’s that you (and to an extent golden) didnt. That’s the strange partDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:37 pmWhy do you have a hard on for putting the guy on a team?
Whats the deal with you putting MP forward on *my* team and going at my after I took him off because I'd rather get a read on people who are here?
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:42 pm
Cool beans.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:38 pm In the interest of expediency, I’m instituting a 12 hour deadline for players to vote if they are chosen to be in an approved jury. Non-votes will be counted as abstentions, and will not impact the verdict.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:43 pm
If time was a non-factor, I'm not in a position to say anyone is a bad pick yet, but I like a jury with me on! MP is as good as any.
But I disapproved the current jury because it had him on.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:48 pm
Three things.
First I'm on this team, so I'm going to [VOTE: approve] aubergine
Second an abstain is in the civilian teams favor.
Third, he will probably be back in here sometime tomorrow maybe. He has been awake since 6:00 am Monday morning, finishing his dissertation. I expect he will pop in and vote before he goes to bed, but once he is asleep I think we will be lucky to see him by this time tomorrow, lol.
First I'm on this team, so I'm going to [VOTE: approve] aubergine
Second an abstain is in the civilian teams favor.
Third, he will probably be back in here sometime tomorrow maybe. He has been awake since 6:00 am Monday morning, finishing his dissertation. I expect he will pop in and vote before he goes to bed, but once he is asleep I think we will be lucky to see him by this time tomorrow, lol.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:50 pm
Well I might have voted approve if I'd known there'd be an abstain rule. Never mind.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:02 pm
Also, constantly disapproving teams in this first round is giving an advantage to the criminals. They already know who each other are, they are trying to figure out which one of the civilians also has that information. I recommend not rushing your votes and not being keen to just disapprove through everyone's jury in this first round. The less information we give to the criminals the better. We don't get any information until we get the first result from a trial. I am moving slow intentionally, I don't trust the people rushing us with unwise strategies.
fwiw I play Resistance too. And there is a huge difference here. In Resistance, some of the missions take more than one person to fail. It's easier to sort out how to identify the baddies and more difficult for them to hide. Here it only takes one Not Guilty to lose any trial for us. And we have five trials and they have five members. This is not Resistance or Avalon guys. They only need one of their guys on three of our teams to win. In all likelihood this first trial will come back Guilty because the jury only will have four members. It will be harder to hide their member in four than in five or six. And it's also more likely we get lucky and hit a team with no criminals in it in my opinion.
Don't be rushed, think it through. That's my advice. I agree with Scotty, I don't trust you right now either DH. You are the biggest culprit of pushing this strategy and rushing things.
fwiw I play Resistance too. And there is a huge difference here. In Resistance, some of the missions take more than one person to fail. It's easier to sort out how to identify the baddies and more difficult for them to hide. Here it only takes one Not Guilty to lose any trial for us. And we have five trials and they have five members. This is not Resistance or Avalon guys. They only need one of their guys on three of our teams to win. In all likelihood this first trial will come back Guilty because the jury only will have four members. It will be harder to hide their member in four than in five or six. And it's also more likely we get lucky and hit a team with no criminals in it in my opinion.
Don't be rushed, think it through. That's my advice. I agree with Scotty, I don't trust you right now either DH. You are the biggest culprit of pushing this strategy and rushing things.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:08 pm
Huh? How is giving everyone a chance to assemble a team (and therefore getting an idea maybe of who the criminals are based on team compositions, approvals/disapprovals, people popping up on multiple teams etc) rushing things? Isn't "Hurry up and get a team through and start a mission" literally the definition of "rushing things"?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 4:02 pm Also, constantly disapproving teams in this first round is giving an advantage to the criminals. They already know who each other are, they are trying to figure out which one of the civilians also has that information. I recommend not rushing your votes and not being keen to just disapprove through everyone's jury in this first round. The less information we give to the criminals the better. We don't get any information until we get the first result from a trial. I am moving slow intentionally, I don't trust the people rushing us with unwise strategies.
fwiw I play Resistance too. And there is a huge difference here. In Resistance, some of the missions take more than one person to fail. It's easier to sort out how to identify the baddies and more difficult for them to hide. Here it only takes one Not Guilty to lose any trial for us. And we have five trials and they have five members. This is not Resistance or Avalon guys. They only need one of their guys on three of our teams to win. In all likelihood this first trial will come back Guilty because the jury only will have four members. It will be harder to hide their member in four than in five or six. And it's also more likely we get lucky and hit a team with no criminals in it in my opinion.
Don't be rushed, think it through. That's my advice. I agree with Scotty, I don't trust you right now either DH. You are the biggest culprit of pushing this strategy and rushing things.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:11 pm
"Don't be rushed, think it through" - Spacedaisy
"Lets let everyone, or failing that as many people as possible, get a team together so we can pick apart who picked who for their teams and learn some stuff before we jump into a mission and potentially royally fuck ourselves." - Me
"That seems suspicious we should just approve a team very quickly without much thought why would you push a strategy centered around rushing into things DH" - Daisy.
"Lets let everyone, or failing that as many people as possible, get a team together so we can pick apart who picked who for their teams and learn some stuff before we jump into a mission and potentially royally fuck ourselves." - Me
"That seems suspicious we should just approve a team very quickly without much thought why would you push a strategy centered around rushing into things DH" - Daisy.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:12 pm
“I’d rather get a read on people who are here” is an entirely different reason than “it’s a matter of expediency”DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:41 pmNo no no no no no no son, you don't get to piss down my back and tell me its raining :PScotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:39 pmIt’s not that I necessarily want him on my team, it’s that you (and to an extent golden) didnt. That’s the strange partDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 3:37 pmWhy do you have a hard on for putting the guy on a team?
Whats the deal with you putting MP forward on *my* team and going at my after I took him off because I'd rather get a read on people who are here?
But that’s fine. You do you. I just offered that team as a suggestion to see what you liked or disliked
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:14 pm
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:14 pm
You want to rush us into assembling and voting to approve or disapprove juries quickly before the real discussion of best strategy could start imo. That is rushing things.
I am not saying we need to immediately approve this jury or should have approved the first, but I do not like the idea of letting every player assemble a jury before we finally consider approving a jury. And you are saying that seeing as many jury compositions head jurors put together that we can is better for the civs. But I don't agree.
I am not saying we need to immediately approve this jury or should have approved the first, but I do not like the idea of letting every player assemble a jury before we finally consider approving a jury. And you are saying that seeing as many jury compositions head jurors put together that we can is better for the civs. But I don't agree.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:15 pm
No I don't.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 4:14 pm You want to rush us into assembling and voting to approve or disapprove juries quickly before the real discussion of best strategy could start imo. That is rushing things.
I am not saying we need to immediately approve this jury or should have approved the first, but I do not like the idea of letting every player assemble a jury before we finally consider approving a jury. And you are saying that seeing as many jury compositions head jurors put together that we can is better for the civs. But I don't agree.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:17 pm
I’m more tinkerbell than Peter fwiw and I believe in magic!!!!
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:17 pm
You didn't say we need to get into a trial as quickly as possible though DH. Don't hide the truth here. you said that the best thing is to see as many jury compositions as possible. And basically pushed the idea of letting everyone put one together. You are rushing people into a bad strategy is my point.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:20 pm
Right here DH. Right here. Civilians don't have any info. If this were the second round I might be more inclined to more carefully choose the jury. But in this first round, the people who benefit from seeing lots of jury nominations are the criminals.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:36 pmSeeing who people put on their team is very helpful, The more Head Jurors we can get to nominate teams, the more we can learn about who may be Criminal.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:35 pmPlease clarify what you mean here.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pmIt's tough cuz I don't want to spill too much of the beans and give criminals a leg up but it would be beneficial to get as many team nominations as possible.
Linki: Would anyone care if I turn off the linki for this thread, this is freaking annoying...
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:22 pm
You have me colossally confused. I didn't say we should rush into things, so you suspect me for rushing people into things. So your solution is what? Approve the first jury that hits your desk, i.e, wait for it, RUSHING INTO THINGS?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 4:17 pm You didn't say we need to get into a trial as quickly as possible though DH. Don't hide the truth here. you said that the best thing is to see as many jury compositions as possible. And basically pushed the idea of letting everyone put one together. You are rushing people into a bad strategy is my point.
Y'all are gonna keep fucking around with me and turn me back to the old me
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:22 pm
I won't be putting DH on any of my juries when I am Head Juror. And I won't approve any jury with him in it.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:24 pm
HOld on, so my suggestion was "more careful" or was it "rushing into things?"Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 4:20 pmRight here DH. Right here. Civilians don't have any info. If this were the second round I might be more inclined to more carefully choose the jury. But in this first round, the people who benefit from seeing lots of jury nominations are the criminals.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:36 pmSeeing who people put on their team is very helpful, The more Head Jurors we can get to nominate teams, the more we can learn about who may be Criminal.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:35 pmPlease clarify what you mean here.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pmIt's tough cuz I don't want to spill too much of the beans and give criminals a leg up but it would be beneficial to get as many team nominations as possible.
Linki: Would anyone care if I turn off the linki for this thread, this is freaking annoying...
Anyway, since there's no "stop gap/hammer" for jury selection I can see some merit in approving at least a little quicker than normally, but the way you're explaining your umbrage with my plan is confusing as shit.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:25 pm
Fuck me for being helpful I guess. Yall want Negan you're about two seconds from getting him :P
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:27 pm
I never said anything about feeling bad about you buddying or whatever. That's Scotty, I'm just calling out a bad strategy for what it is.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:29 pm
I never said anything about you saying anything about you feeling bad about me buddying or whatever.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 4:27 pm I never said anything about feeling bad about you buddying or whatever. That's Scotty, I'm just calling out a bad strategy for what it is.
And you're not calling out a bad strategy, you're saying I said something I didn't say and that your solution to what I didn't say is the thing you find suspicious.
Re: ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:36 pm
I literally quoted you DH. You are going to deny saying something that I literally quoted you on. And when you said it, I was so shocked I actually asked you to clarify to make sure I understood you right. So there is no denying what you said.
I'm not going to argue with you, I'm going to just go back to observing and voting. Civilians, I don't recommend putting DH on your juries when you are head juror.
I'm not going to argue with you, I'm going to just go back to observing and voting. Civilians, I don't recommend putting DH on your juries when you are head juror.