Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:38 pm
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
This is not won Day 2.
Not sure I get the joke.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:07 amyours
Okay.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:09 amApparently Mac had enough of creature doing what I like to call “the day zero creature”Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:06 amWhere the hell did this overjoyous Mac come from?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:52 pm Wow what a great game so far. You guys are a great group of players and I'm like just stoked to be here!
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:17 amAh Michelle ma belle blah blah blah French stuff
To be honest no but it also can’t hurt?
Summary:
Juliets: bad
Nutella: good
Drago: weird
Jack: good for now
Nova: scary after cats and dogs
elephant: elephant
Mac: very positive
Creature: creature
iaiaafrair: my new favorite
Huh?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:24 amI mean I only my role and the sample role but from those super no
This seems to present more commentary regarding iaafr rather than Dragomir. Eh.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:43 pmFair I guess but it’s also see Drago’s point. Iaafr threw out a rainbow with maybe half a dozen controversial reads. I think it’s town because of this shift on Mac and 112, plinko theory suggests that scum doesn’t make such significant shifts like that without a clearer game planEvenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pmI super question how badly this list is off. Feels like they're not playing the same game as me. That means they're probably not the same alignment as me. QED.Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:52 amThis is bad as hell. How can you use the fact that you disagree with the read list against iaafr? Ppl have different perspectives and won't always share your own. I despise the shade that you're throwing at iaafr here.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:45 pmHere’s how I see itDragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:40 pmI'm not talking about role abilities, I'm talking about alignments.juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:11 pmHere's what JJJ said in the OP:Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pmI've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pmSo Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pmThanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.
There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.
But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
"Characters are randomized and have no connection to role abilities. You can even role play if you like."
So I read that as you can't tell from the character what the role abilities are.
A game was designed with blank power roles associated with alignment
Then 29 characters were completely randomly matched to roles
Drago Yes but my character is also like I’m not sure if it would be good or bad anyways it isn’t like that
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pmNo I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:07 pmYeah no I don't buy this is a real thought. Scum have to be able to fake the form of a town role PM, or else D1 mass-flavour-claim breaks the game.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:26 pmI mean maybe Drago is assuming 112 read the rulesEvenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:21 pmthat roles were completely NAIDragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:17 pmKnew what?Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:16 pmWhy's Drago assuming 112 knew this before him?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pmNo I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.
There appears to be a misunderstanding between Dragomir (who shows outrage) and TSP (who remains calm). If this is a teammate interaction, it is laced with intricate nuance.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:38 pmNo I think it’s fine reasoning and fwiw you might be right I just don’t think it’s a thing that could happen given my understanding of the nature of this game.Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:34 pmYes.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:30 pmDisregard the phrasing: Do I understand your case correctly?Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:16 pmI hate the phrasing of this. All that shade at my case on 112.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 pmNo I get I it I think. Drago thought that 112 had a safe claim and was trying to use that to leverage town cred in a way where 112 wouldn’t use the claim to leverage cred if they were actually town. That falls apart if all character claims are random.
Regard the phrasing: I think it’s a good case with your premises so what do you have a problem with?
Because you're pretty much saying that I was being manipulative and trying to diminish something that could happen in the future, which isn't the case.
This is the last question of a series of questions posed to various people.And Drago what’s up with you? Three particular anti aligned pairs, groups that aren’t w/w.
TSP called Dragomir bad, but with a qualification.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:13 am 112 - lean scum, not getting much of a feel on posts either way but follows scum patterns
Benson - null
Creature - ehhhhh
DFaraday - well he commented once on something I said so therefore Town
Dom - null but GTH town
Dragomir - lean scum but on activity not posts independently
Elephant - town
Epignosis - probably town, -EV Lynch otherwise
Evenstar - null. Come at me.
Hyena - lean town, I like the style of their posts
iaafr - Town solely off the “most towny” activity. Establishing a towncore early is a huge detriment to scum who would want to actively work against that goal.
Jackofhearts2005 - null
juliets - no reason not to be scum but again I’m still feeling Girl Genius so just be aware of my biases
Lady Lambdadelta - null but lean scum because they confuse me and that’s bad
Long Con - lean town, I like his posts
MacDougall - lean scum a little bit
Master Radishes - always gives me bad vibes but it could just be cause I don’t like radishes
Michelle - null
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - null but in a good way
novaselinenever - can be scum for all I care
nutella - probably town
Pawn Lelouch - no reason to townread here and I’m not trusting Eva. Scum.
Quin - null
Rej - scum but not a lot of content to get to that
Spiny Creature - Town
sprityo - lean town
Texas Cloverleaf - null
TonyStarkPrime
Trustworthy Liberal - null
vanity. - lean scum, I’m not getting any of the genuine defenses that others have put out
someone GTH me on two of my null reads and I’ll probably get back to you
Given my present take on 112, I don’t object to this.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm I’m here. This game isn’t running at a speed where I can catch up from my last post. I’d vote for 112 over Drago unless someone @s me and explains why
While I can appreciate the timing and existence of this, it seems backwards. Normally one reads something and then decides to place a vote. The consideration to place a vote on Dragomir preceded the investigation, which is unusual.Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm Okay lets think might vote for Dragomir but will ISO first now that am home on not using a phone no offense but this site is really hard to use on mobile.
I’m not quite sure I understand this, but okay.Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:50 pmHyena if you remember i am very reluctent to vote every since it got me killed in my first forum game thats why am ready the Dragomir person first
Here is the investigation, and the vote followed two minutes later.Okay just finshed Dragomir's ISO don't see multy quotes so heres my thoughts on him
-Seemed to go alittle far with evenstar (not alignment indicative)
-Made a case on 112 based off characters claims saying that a town wouldn't play that way but the case became empty due to random characters
-Not a lot of depth short anwsers threw shade on Mac leaving his vote there before leaving
-hasn't posted in thread since early yesterday morning (my time atleast)
Don't think this is enough to call him 100% scum but i don't think he has been pushing a town presence would love if he could come back and post a little. I know this is ironic coming from me but atleast am here now.
Conclusion
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Scum lean on him based off what he did push when he was fairly active so willing to lynch this today, him missing for a long period doesn't make him look any better either.
(someone tell me the command for voting i didn't see it when i looked sorry for being a bother)
This statement exists.vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:07 pm strongest v's after reading are nutella, epignosis, and evenstar.
sprityo, jack, elephant, iaafr, and creature are all probably v's. some of those don't feel great but that's how i felt while reading.
nanook and master radishes are the trailing edge of my town circle. dragomir is sorta towny too but i didn't really get that one quickly at all.
the townreads on michelle make absolutely no sense to me. they group of people townreading her might contain wolves purely because i think michelle hasn't really projected town or shown me massive differences to the limited amount of wolfgames i read from her.
juliets' posts just feel incredibly stiff to me. i don't know how to explain it, it just doesn't feel like any of the questions and observations she's making are real.
pawn's impact on the game feels super underwhelming at the moment.
vanity, what was the progression that led from “sorta towny” to yellow?vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:41 pm guess i can entertain your ideas mac, not doing color coding tho
dark green:
hyena
creature
nutella
jack
mr
iaafr
light green:
sprityo
mac
epig
lld
spiny
benson
yellow:
nanook
texas
evenstar
pawn
elephant
rej
long con
drago
dom
orange:
dfaraday
tonystarkprime
juliets
112
quin
michelle
tlib
red:
nova
If forced to choose, I’d say this looks spontaneous and natural rather than forced.
vanity. did not engage nova on his assertion that Dragomir is good. Rather, vanity. pressed nova. That looks to be in the former’s favor.vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:28 pmi dunno loliaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:28 pmquick sell on tsp over drago pls
i just want competitive wagons
This likewise is favorable.
Sorry, I missed this.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:20 pm Epignosis do you know if the latter names on the polls are the ones latest to the vote or is it all mixed up?
The fact that 13 people are missing is strong evidence of another thread, not to mention the "this thread" and "this level" mentions in the OP. And of course there aren't eight or zero scum in here: if there were I would never return to this forum after such unannounced bastardry.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:29 pmStop doing that thing where you sow chaos please. There's no evidence of another thread, there's certainly no 8-person scum team in here, there certainly are some scum in here, and anyway it doesn't matter because we have a game to play.Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:21 pm ... man, I really wonder what chaos is currently occurring in the other thread
The majority of players just vanished
Did someone die? Multiple someones? Were we announced as having moved or did we just vanish with no explanation?
Are there scum there? Are there scum here? Probably there are scum in both places, but idek what the point of... oh, duh, the voting rules and the power thing, those are relevant. Ok. And the scum are Leo and Co, so... they have to progress through the levels somehow? Did they set this up? Probably there's some limitation on what they can do...
Yeah I got nothing. I super want to see how this shit works behind the scenes.
Given that multiple levels exist and there were three in the movie, I think we can bet that this'll happen again tonight - some of us will move to a new thread, some of us will [whatever happened to the other 13 players]
is there even another thread
there is super probably another thread
that or we're on a ridiculous clock and half of us are dead, but I don't think the GM would do that to us
This is stupid and I should table it for now, I'm just making myself paranoid because "what if we're in here with an 8-man scum team", which... yeah lol not happening
Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:29 pmYeah Nova super deserves pressure today after following Mac like that.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:24 pmMacDougall was one. iaafr was one. Hyena was one. novaselinenever was one. There was one more, but it is eluding me. The most I had at one point was five votes.Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:05 pmOkay, this is a much better answer. I do agree that Mac was the catalyst, but IMO the jumps on looked very opportunistic and scummy, which said to me that Mac was a wrong townie getting taken advantage of by uhhhh fuck I didn't write it down I was expecting to have the thread stillPawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:57 pmSince he is the person who basically started the Epi wagon and was the person who got people to vote on it.
Since no one actually posted any real reasons to put their vote on him outside of vague paranoia that mimicked Mac's. They just followed onto him out of fearmongering about Epi's scum game from Mac.
So from my perspective Mac is by far the most prominent reason and person why Epi was a wagon. I stand by what I said.
Epignosis do you recall who followed Mac onto your wagon? There were like three votes in quick succession, I think one of them was Iaafr?
Speaking of which, @Macdougall: Stop overthinking and get out of your Epi tunnel, this man is town. You're reading way too much in and letting your paranoia get the best of you.
As far as I remember, my vote went there for no real reason at all. Reasons developed later. One big one for me was that 112 voted for me based on something he said- not something I said- and framed it as though it made me guilty. That's trash. That's trying to keep his hands clean voting for someone nobody was really talking about. Don't believe me? 112 ended up on Trustworthy Liberal- someone nobody was really talking about.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:20 pm
Epignosis
Voted many hours before EoD – only reason I could see was in a later readslist: “Eh. Would lynch. (Great start, right?)”
Was around at EoD and barely engaged with the Drago/112 wagons – didn’t even vote Drago to self-preserve when he was briefly the counter-wagon to Drago
Conclusion: Suspicious
His whole damn iso plus the fact that like three people instantly jumped on him as a counterwagon to a lynched wolf as soon as you voted for himMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:05 pmEvenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:29 pmYeah Nova super deserves pressure today after following Mac like that.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:24 pmMacDougall was one. iaafr was one. Hyena was one. novaselinenever was one. There was one more, but it is eluding me. The most I had at one point was five votes.Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:05 pmOkay, this is a much better answer. I do agree that Mac was the catalyst, but IMO the jumps on looked very opportunistic and scummy, which said to me that Mac was a wrong townie getting taken advantage of by uhhhh fuck I didn't write it down I was expecting to have the thread stillPawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:57 pmSince he is the person who basically started the Epi wagon and was the person who got people to vote on it.
Since no one actually posted any real reasons to put their vote on him outside of vague paranoia that mimicked Mac's. They just followed onto him out of fearmongering about Epi's scum game from Mac.
So from my perspective Mac is by far the most prominent reason and person why Epi was a wagon. I stand by what I said.
Epignosis do you recall who followed Mac onto your wagon? There were like three votes in quick succession, I think one of them was Iaafr?
Speaking of which, @Macdougall: Stop overthinking and get out of your Epi tunnel, this man is town. You're reading way too much in and letting your paranoia get the best of you.wtf is this based on?
Get off your high horse please. You're embarrassing.Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:09 pmHis whole damn iso plus the fact that like three people instantly jumped on him as a counterwagon to a lynched wolf as soon as you voted for himMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:05 pmEvenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:29 pmYeah Nova super deserves pressure today after following Mac like that.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:24 pmMacDougall was one. iaafr was one. Hyena was one. novaselinenever was one. There was one more, but it is eluding me. The most I had at one point was five votes.Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:05 pmOkay, this is a much better answer. I do agree that Mac was the catalyst, but IMO the jumps on looked very opportunistic and scummy, which said to me that Mac was a wrong townie getting taken advantage of by uhhhh fuck I didn't write it down I was expecting to have the thread stillPawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:57 pmSince he is the person who basically started the Epi wagon and was the person who got people to vote on it.
Since no one actually posted any real reasons to put their vote on him outside of vague paranoia that mimicked Mac's. They just followed onto him out of fearmongering about Epi's scum game from Mac.
So from my perspective Mac is by far the most prominent reason and person why Epi was a wagon. I stand by what I said.
Epignosis do you recall who followed Mac onto your wagon? There were like three votes in quick succession, I think one of them was Iaafr?
Speaking of which, @Macdougall: Stop overthinking and get out of your Epi tunnel, this man is town. You're reading way too much in and letting your paranoia get the best of you.wtf is this based on?
For crying out loud, do you believe that 112/Dragomir/Epignosis were THREE SCUM WAGONS?
Give your fucking head a shake man, you're playing terribly this game.
Could have sworn you were sussing him earlier today, and your wagon was bad tbqh. Maybe I got you mixed up with someone else, let me check back at daystart.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:11 pm I haven't even indicated I am suspicious of him this phase and you're acting like I've been non stop accusing him. It's weird. Stfu.
I am the subconscious aspect of the King of Fuck Mountain.
- my bad, it was Radishes and Iaafr who were sussing him and I'm used to their reads being bad lolMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:11 pm I haven't even indicated I am suspicious of him this phase and you're acting like I've been non stop accusing him. It's weird. Stfu.
This is a mood. It's like the spirit of Sloonei has taken over his body.
Who got 8?Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:17 pm Let's see.
The movie had Di Caprio as Cobb (showrunner), Gordon-Levitt as Arthur (producer), Ellen Page as Ariadne (architecht/designer), Tom Hardy as Eames (forger), Ken Watanabe as Mr. Saito (Client), Dileep Rao as Yusef (Chemist). These are the 6 who can definitely be considered part of the team.
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The Possibilities
Cillian Murphy as Robert Fischer (the target), Tom Berenger as Peter Browning (godfather to target), Pete Postelwaithe as Maurice Fischer (target's father), Michael Caine as Professor Miles (Cobb's father in law + Ariadne's mentor), Lukas Haas as Nash (former architect who betrayed the team)
Nonexistent:
Marian Cottillard as Mal Cobb
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So 6 guarantees. If we include the target that's 7. I don't see where a 8th fits in here?
So obviously fluff is very obviously something that shouldn't be relied on, but what I'm trying to figure out is where you got the exact number of 8 here. Walk me through thought process.
30/4=7.5, err high because large setupPawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:17 pm Let's see.
The movie had Di Caprio as Cobb (showrunner), Gordon-Levitt as Arthur (producer), Ellen Page as Ariadne (architecht/designer), Tom Hardy as Eames (forger), Ken Watanabe as Mr. Saito (Client), Dileep Rao as Yusef (Chemist). These are the 6 who can definitely be considered part of the team.
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The Possibilities
Cillian Murphy as Robert Fischer (the target), Tom Berenger as Peter Browning (godfather to target), Pete Postelwaithe as Maurice Fischer (target's father), Michael Caine as Professor Miles (Cobb's father in law + Ariadne's mentor), Lukas Haas as Nash (former architect who betrayed the team)
Nonexistent:
Marian Cottillard as Mal Cobb
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So 6 guarantees. If we include the target that's 7. I don't see where a 8th fits in here?
So obviously fluff is very obviously something that shouldn't be relied on, but what I'm trying to figure out is where you got the exact number of 8 here. Walk me through thought process.
Okay well with the way you attack people I'd double check the facts first because it's pretty lame.Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:16 pm- my bad, it was Radishes and Iaafr who were sussing him and I'm used to their reads being bad lolMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:11 pm I haven't even indicated I am suspicious of him this phase and you're acting like I've been non stop accusing him. It's weird. Stfu.
Juliet was the first that came to mind. LC's was hella sloppy but possible I guessMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:29 pm Looking at the Dragomir voters I'd say that the ones most likely to be teammates are Long Con and Juliets at face value, which is obviously not very helpful.
your badEvenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:16 pm- my bad, it was Radishes and Iaafr who were sussing him and I'm used to their reads being bad lolMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:11 pm I haven't even indicated I am suspicious of him this phase and you're acting like I've been non stop accusing him. It's weird. Stfu.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:25 pmor consider stopping entirelyEvenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:16 pm- my bad, it was Radishes and Iaafr who were sussing him and I'm used to their reads being bad lolMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:11 pm I haven't even indicated I am suspicious of him this phase and you're acting like I've been non stop accusing him. It's weird. Stfu.
Okay well with the way you attack people I'd double check the facts first because it's pretty lame.
Chill, I attributed things radishes and iaafr said to you. Touchy much?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:09 pm Firstly, you are not qualified to make statements like that Evenstar. How I engage Epignosis is entirely up to me. You've played literally zero games with him. Why are you talking like you have some empirical wisdom as it pertains to his role?
Secondly, I've given you no indication that I even suspect Epi anymore so your comment is bizarrely out of sync with up to date reality.
Was talking about in the context of a united team. 3p/SK Mal absolutely can exist, she's just never in a united scum team.Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:23 pm30/4=7.5, err high because large setupPawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:17 pm Let's see.
The movie had Di Caprio as Cobb (showrunner), Gordon-Levitt as Arthur (producer), Ellen Page as Ariadne (architecht/designer), Tom Hardy as Eames (forger), Ken Watanabe as Mr. Saito (Client), Dileep Rao as Yusef (Chemist). These are the 6 who can definitely be considered part of the team.
‐------
The Possibilities
Cillian Murphy as Robert Fischer (the target), Tom Berenger as Peter Browning (godfather to target), Pete Postelwaithe as Maurice Fischer (target's father), Michael Caine as Professor Miles (Cobb's father in law + Ariadne's mentor), Lukas Haas as Nash (former architect who betrayed the team)
Nonexistent:
Marian Cottillard as Mal Cobb
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So 6 guarantees. If we include the target that's 7. I don't see where a 8th fits in here?
So obviously fluff is very obviously something that shouldn't be relied on, but what I'm trying to figure out is where you got the exact number of 8 here. Walk me through thought process.
I didn't remember how many peeps there were in the movie, just that there were a bunch
8 is large for a unified scumteam though, and this game does seem to be going heavy on flavour, so... my question to you is "why doesn't Mal exist"? 6 mafia + Mal as an SK plus... I remember in the movie that they got the target to actively fight his own subconcious, they could be a second 3p?
I don't really like firing shots in that situation most of the time unless I have a strong feel (or I'm feeling like sewing chaos). If push came to shove I would have probably pres voted Dragomir to help save 112 but who knows. By the time I even started considering which wagon to put my vote on Dragomir had stretched away and tbh I didn't have very good feelings that either of them were going to flip red towards the end of the day. The wagonomics of Dragomir flipping red weren't really there, which is partly why I think it's possibly dueling scumwagons.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:26 pm Mac the shitting the bed I was referring to before D1 was why didn't you break the tie or weight in at all at EoD? You had Drago as red throughout the phase and 112 definitely not as red if I remember correctly
I wrote this before I saw that.Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:29 pmChill, I attributed things radishes and iaafr said to you. Touchy much?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:09 pm Firstly, you are not qualified to make statements like that Evenstar. How I engage Epignosis is entirely up to me. You've played literally zero games with him. Why are you talking like you have some empirical wisdom as it pertains to his role?
Secondly, I've given you no indication that I even suspect Epi anymore so your comment is bizarrely out of sync with up to date reality.
Yeah, she seems more likely to be a Lyncher or similar on deeper consideration.Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:30 pmWas talking about in the context of a united team. 3p/SK Mal absolutely can exist, she's just never in a united scum team.Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:23 pm30/4=7.5, err high because large setupPawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:17 pm Let's see.
The movie had Di Caprio as Cobb (showrunner), Gordon-Levitt as Arthur (producer), Ellen Page as Ariadne (architecht/designer), Tom Hardy as Eames (forger), Ken Watanabe as Mr. Saito (Client), Dileep Rao as Yusef (Chemist). These are the 6 who can definitely be considered part of the team.
‐------
The Possibilities
Cillian Murphy as Robert Fischer (the target), Tom Berenger as Peter Browning (godfather to target), Pete Postelwaithe as Maurice Fischer (target's father), Michael Caine as Professor Miles (Cobb's father in law + Ariadne's mentor), Lukas Haas as Nash (former architect who betrayed the team)
Nonexistent:
Marian Cottillard as Mal Cobb
-----
So 6 guarantees. If we include the target that's 7. I don't see where a 8th fits in here?
So obviously fluff is very obviously something that shouldn't be relied on, but what I'm trying to figure out is where you got the exact number of 8 here. Walk me through thought process.
I didn't remember how many peeps there were in the movie, just that there were a bunch
8 is large for a unified scumteam though, and this game does seem to be going heavy on flavour, so... my question to you is "why doesn't Mal exist"? 6 mafia + Mal as an SK plus... I remember in the movie that they got the target to actively fight his own subconcious, they could be a second 3p?
Hm, I'd honestly lean more 3p than SK, since while she doesn't fit as a part of the target's subconscious and thus likely isn't considered straight town, since she's from Cobb she is explicitly against that group. Plus if I remember right she never really attacked the subconscious unless it benefitted her overall goal of getting at Cobb.
Fair enough.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:32 pmI wrote this before I saw that.Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:29 pmChill, I attributed things radishes and iaafr said to you. Touchy much?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:09 pm Firstly, you are not qualified to make statements like that Evenstar. How I engage Epignosis is entirely up to me. You've played literally zero games with him. Why are you talking like you have some empirical wisdom as it pertains to his role?
Secondly, I've given you no indication that I even suspect Epi anymore so your comment is bizarrely out of sync with up to date reality.
Agreed, Nova.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:26 pm Mac the shitting the bed I was referring to before D1 was why didn't you break the tie or weight in at all at EoD? You had Drago as red throughout the phase and 112 definitely not as red if I remember correctly