The Syndicate

Russtifinko wrote:I hope something exciting happens before the day is up! I read the Roxy/MP/Hedge and Vomps/Lizzy discussions with interest, but I'm having trouble deciding what it all means. Hedge is reading sincere to me at the moment, but I'm not sure if that means anything as far as MP or Roxy's alignments.

Vomps and Lizzy just love each other, I think. Either of them could be either alignment and they'd still be backing each other up.

More discussion, please!

Mongoose wrote: If we absolutely have to visit each world (can you confirm, MP?)

Maybe he can. Maybe he can't.

Epignosis wrote:

Mongoose wrote: If we absolutely have to visit each world (can you confirm, MP?)

Maybe he can. Maybe he can't.

Mongoose wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Mongoose wrote: If we absolutely have to visit each world (can you confirm, MP?)

Maybe he can. Maybe he can't.

Oh my word, I am so sorry Epi. Looks like Llama isn't the only one confused about what forum he's in.

Epi, kind and benevolent host, can you kindly firm if we have to visit each world?

Snow Dog wrote:Then we can leave water to last and maybe we will never need to go there.

Mongoose wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:I hope something exciting happens before the day is up! I read the Roxy/MP/Hedge and Vomps/Lizzy discussions with interest, but I'm having trouble deciding what it all means. Hedge is reading sincere to me at the moment, but I'm not sure if that means anything as far as MP or Roxy's alignments.

Vomps and Lizzy just love each other, I think. Either of them could be either alignment and they'd still be backing each other up.

More discussion, please!

What do you think about Snow Dog, Russti? He has been a bit quiet. Of course, there's lots of RL explanations for that, and I would want someone to give me the benefit of the doubt.

Also, while I don't think voting for water on Day 0 or Day 1 would be damning, but I think subsequent votes for Water World could be as the baddies will continue to amass coins and then be able to buy the villains that wreak such havoc in Water World.

If we absolutely have to visit each world (can you confirm, MP?) by the game's resolution, maybe we should make a pact to choose it on Day 2 and get it over with when the damage will hopefully be de minimis. If we can skip it and not look back, I'd have no problem with that though.

Russtifinko wrote:I suppose the risk depends on how confident we are that we'll be able to find them. Maybe if things are going well and we're lynching baddies we can delay while we hope to get more of them, and if we're off track we try to get it over with so we have a fighting chance later on.

Mongoose wrote:Yeah Snowy isn't really on my radar. I think we are all grasping at straws today. I'm in with you guys to freeze out Waterworld (apologies to Kevin Costner).

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Yeah Snowy isn't really on my radar. I think we are all grasping at straws today. I'm in with you guys to freeze out Waterworld (apologies to Kevin Costner).

If you think we have enough of a chance to get the baddies before we get to that point, then okay. Although the more I think about it, it also means we will have had a greater chance of acquiring more coins by then too. So maybe there is some logic in putting it off.

Personally, I would prefer to get it over with (simply because I'm a bit more risk-averse when it comes to mafia), but I am willing to go along with whatever the group decides.

Mongoose wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Then we can leave water to last and maybe we will never need to go there.

I really want to go this route too, but I am worried that they will just amass coins knowing our strategy and then unleash an unholy terror when whomever is still living gets there.

Do you think it's worth the risk?

Snow Dog wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Yeah Snowy isn't really on my radar. I think we are all grasping at straws today. I'm in with you guys to freeze out Waterworld (apologies to Kevin Costner).

If you think we have enough of a chance to get the baddies before we get to that point, then okay. Although the more I think about it, it also means we will have had a greater chance of acquiring more coins by then too. So maybe there is some logic in putting it off.

Personally, I would prefer to get it over with (simply because I'm a bit more risk-averse when it comes to mafia), but I am willing to go along with whatever the group decides.

I pesonally don't think the baddies will be any more powerful in water world as far as NKs go. The issue as far as I can see is the lynch voting power is it not?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Yeah Snowy isn't really on my radar. I think we are all grasping at straws today. I'm in with you guys to freeze out Waterworld (apologies to Kevin Costner).

If you think we have enough of a chance to get the baddies before we get to that point, then okay. Although the more I think about it, it also means we will have had a greater chance of acquiring more coins by then too. So maybe there is some logic in putting it off.

Personally, I would prefer to get it over with (simply because I'm a bit more risk-averse when it comes to mafia), but I am willing to go along with whatever the group decides.

Mongoose wrote: Llama - Do you think gleam's early voting is suspiciously early? I know players usually give a reason when they vote early and I'm not sure gleam did. I guess my question is: Do you think that in of itself is enough to suspect gleam of villainry?

MovingPictures07 wrote:EBWOP: Idk, I'll sit on it. But I would think it might be better to just flat out avoid Water because from what I can recall there are like three role upgrades that are water-related. By that late in the game, it'd be stupid for the baddies to choose those things over more powerful roles that they could probably choose.

That's just my take on it though.

agleaminranks wrote:Frankly, the only person I find suspicious of anything right now is Voopy. I feel like "I'm getting civvie vibes" sounds like he's trying to cover for a teammate, which would only happen if he had BTSC. Only the baddies and either of the Mario Bros if they find Princess Toadstool's letter have BTSC, and since we haven't even had a night turn for the Mario Bros to look for her letter, the baddies would be the only team with BTSC at this point in the game.

Hence, I suspect both Voopy and Lizzy of being on the baddie team. I vote we lynch Vomps for trying to fool us with his elaborate ruses.

Hedgeowl wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:EBWOP: Idk, I'll sit on it. But I would think it might be better to just flat out avoid Water because from what I can recall there are like three role upgrades that are water-related. By that late in the game, it'd be stupid for the baddies to choose those things over more powerful roles that they could probably choose.

That's just my take on it though.

Since the water vs. no water debate is still alive here was what MP said to me about waiting. I jsut checked and there are 2 water upgrade roles I found (please correct me if wrong), cheep cheep and blooper. They both get vote benefits of +4 in water world and are not super expensive to buy. It's true that later in the game there are definitely better roles to buy, but they also are more expensive.

So I am not really sure what is the best strategy here, but here are the pros amd cons I see:

1. We go to water soon and risk the water specific roles while we have plenty of civ votes. The chances of us lynching a civ in the first few days are greater I would assume anyway. Or it gives baddies an easy way to lynch civs cause the vote will be divided.
2. We avoid water and hope we win before then. If we cant avoid it, baddies might not even use the roles late in the game cause they may have more coins for better roles.

And gleams vote for vomps, was it because vomps voted water?

mongoose, you should never apologize for kevin costner. There are several movies I am stil waiting for him to apaologize for like prince of Thieves, but since men in tights was inspired from it I almost forgive him.

agleaminranks wrote:I have been friends with both Lizzy and Vomps outside of Mafia for several years, and I am fully aware of their platonic (possibly one-sided erotic) love for each other. Given their reputation on this forum site for acting as such, what better way to hide their BTSC in plain view? This is the only lead I have seen on any player in the game thus far, and you all seem pretty content to just flounder your votes until a bandwagon starts, so I placed my vote early with the only concrete suspicions I saw at the time. I suspect it all to be an elaborate ruse.

Vomps voted for the water world after the fact, and that did not factor into my vote.

Mongoose wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:I have been friends with both Lizzy and Vomps outside of Mafia for several years, and I am fully aware of their platonic (possibly one-sided erotic) love for each other. Given their reputation on this forum site for acting as such, what better way to hide their BTSC in plain view? This is the only lead I have seen on any player in the game thus far, and you all seem pretty content to just flounder your votes until a bandwagon starts, so I placed my vote early with the only concrete suspicions I saw at the time. I suspect it all to be an elaborate ruse.

Vomps voted for the water world after the fact, and that did not factor into my vote.

Oooh, thanks for the juicy information!

Thanks for spelling it out for us. Since you know them IRL, what did you pick up on in-game that led you to believe they had BTSC here in this specific game?

agleaminranks wrote:I feel like "I'm getting civvie vibes" sounds like he's trying to cover for a teammate,

thellama73 wrote: I don't know. It's probably nothing, but on Day 1, I usually wait as long as possible to vote since there is so little to go on and I want to have maximum evidence before voting. I can't see why someone would vote early like that unless that a) were unable to vote at a later time (a claim MP made, but Gleamio did not) b) a baddie who knows who their enemies are already or c) really sure about someone and are using their vote to try to convince others to bandwagon on board. I don't see how anyone could be really sure about Vomps, so combined with my earlier points about Gleamio seeming overly familiar with baddie mechanics, I will probably put my vote there unless something changes.

Vompatti wrote:ooooooooooh

i'm getting civvie vibes from lizzy k

agleaminranks wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:I have been friends with both Lizzy and Vomps outside of Mafia for several years, and I am fully aware of their platonic (possibly one-sided erotic) love for each other. Given their reputation on this forum site for acting as such, what better way to hide their BTSC in plain view? This is the only lead I have seen on any player in the game thus far, and you all seem pretty content to just flounder your votes until a bandwagon starts, so I placed my vote early with the only concrete suspicions I saw at the time. I suspect it all to be an elaborate ruse.

Vomps voted for the water world after the fact, and that did not factor into my vote.

Oooh, thanks for the juicy information!

Thanks for spelling it out for us. Since you know them IRL, what did you pick up on in-game that led you to believe they had BTSC here in this specific game?

agleaminranks wrote:I feel like "I'm getting civvie vibes" sounds like he's trying to cover for a teammate,

I understand Voopy's undying love for Lizzy, but unless they have BTSC, there is no advantage for Vomps to say something like this. If they were not in roles with BTSC, trying to protect someone else is a gamble.

Mongoose wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:I have been friends with both Lizzy and Vomps outside of Mafia for several years, and I am fully aware of their platonic (possibly one-sided erotic) love for each other. Given their reputation on this forum site for acting as such, what better way to hide their BTSC in plain view? This is the only lead I have seen on any player in the game thus far, and you all seem pretty content to just flounder your votes until a bandwagon starts, so I placed my vote early with the only concrete suspicions I saw at the time. I suspect it all to be an elaborate ruse.

Vomps voted for the water world after the fact, and that did not factor into my vote.

Oooh, thanks for the juicy information!

Thanks for spelling it out for us. Since you know them IRL, what did you pick up on in-game that led you to believe they had BTSC here in this specific game?

agleaminranks wrote:I feel like "I'm getting civvie vibes" sounds like he's trying to cover for a teammate,

I understand Voopy's undying love for Lizzy, but unless they have BTSC, there is no advantage for Vomps to say something like this. If they were not in roles with BTSC, trying to protect someone else is a gamble.

Do you guys agree? I think Vompers might defend Lizzy to the death even if they were at loggerheads.

Lizzy wrote:Who needs BTSC when you have the whole board?

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Hedgeowl wrote: So I am not really sure what is the best strategy here, but here are the pros amd cons I see:

1. We go to water soon and risk the water specific roles while we have plenty of civ votes. The chances of us lynching a civ in the first few days are greater I would assume anyway. Or it gives baddies an easy way to lynch civs cause the vote will be divided.
2. We avoid water and hope we win before then. If we cant avoid it, baddies might not even use the roles late in the game cause they may have more coins for better roles.