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Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:01 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:11 am i think the person with the wolfiest entrance so far is actually lucy

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Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:03 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:14 am
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:20 pm locking sig and sean in as town
i believe that lucy would want to tryhard in this game as town but i find it slightly more difficult to believe that she would have two confident townreads that she was willing to lock less than 2 pages in the game, particularly since the game got off to such a slow/boring start

maybe im just projecting my own struggle to feel invested into this game so far on to lucy but it felt like she was rushing the solving process in a way that is kinda uncharacteristic for her

I think people tend to rush to find some read they can hold onto in stale gamestates just so they have something to do.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:04 am**

maybe, but that doesn't really strike me as the way that lucy thinks about games. she tends to play very internally and makes a point of keeping her cards held close to her chest unless she feels like she has something important to say. so, her going out of her way to locktown two players in a dry gamestate pinged me specifically from her more than it would have pinged me from another random person

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:05 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:01 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:11 am i think the person with the wolfiest entrance so far is actually lucy
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I think this is the natural reaction to have. I can't particularly explain why they sound unnatural but I flatly do not believe it is difficult at all for certain wolves types to post as sig did in response, and I feel that lucy has been giving off town vibes that the natural reaction should not be "lucy is the wolfiest player", and especially not since your explanation of why this is so clearly relies on a meta read.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:05 am**

I agree with SPF that this is a super unexciting game so far. I am just gonna vote the easiest wolf to catch and try to break the game open with associatives.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:06 am**

I also dont think the beginning of the game was boring or that porscha v was the only read to be had.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:06 am**

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:05 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:01 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:11 am i think the person with the wolfiest entrance so far is actually lucy
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I think this is the natural reaction to have. I can't particularly explain why they sound unnatural but I flatly do not believe it is difficult at all for certain wolves types to post as sig did in response, and I feel that lucy has been giving off town vibes that the natural reaction should not be "lucy is the wolfiest player", and especially not since your explanation of why this is so clearly relies on a meta read.

do you think that perhaps it's possible that i would read and perceive lucy in a different way from you based on my previous experiences with her?

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:04 am maybe, but that doesn't really strike me as the way that lucy thinks about games. she tends to play very internally and makes a point of keeping her cards held close to her chest unless she feels like she has something important to say. so, her going out of her way to locktown two players in a dry gamestate pinged me specifically from her more than it would have pinged me from another random person

I have thoughts on this but would prefer @lucy answer first

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 am**

Bereft randomly deciding to case SPF 3 pages in is townie btw.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:08 am**

i agree. i think bereft is projecting his view of the game on to me and that's towny too.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:09 am**

i think bereft is tow

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:10 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:04 am maybe, but that doesn't really strike me as the way that lucy thinks about games. she tends to play very internally and makes a point of keeping her cards held close to her chest unless she feels like she has something important to say. so, her going out of her way to locktown two players in a dry gamestate pinged me specifically from her more than it would have pinged me from another random person
I have thoughts on this but would prefer @lucy answer first

i generally lack influence in games, that is generally my weakness. i know spf knows this, however i think she has failed to understand that tryhard means partly correcting my errors which in this case is trying to come up and say more thoughts. i definitely do play as she described, but i also didn't mean to be taken so seriously when saying "locking" lmako

spf is probably town

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:10 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:06 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:05 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:01 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:11 am i think the person with the wolfiest entrance so far is actually lucy
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I think this is the natural reaction to have. I can't particularly explain why they sound unnatural but I flatly do not believe it is difficult at all for certain wolves types to post as sig did in response, and I feel that lucy has been giving off town vibes that the natural reaction should not be "lucy is the wolfiest player", and especially not since your explanation of why this is so clearly relies on a meta read.
do you think that perhaps it's possible that i would read and perceive lucy in a different way from you based on my previous experiences with her?

Its possible. I would want to know why you asked but I feel like your answer would be along the lines of "Im trying to probe you" and thats not interesting with respect to my view of you.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:11 am**

tbh it was more of a snarky attempt to put down your read than a real attempt to probe you, because i already decided you were town before i asked you that question

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:12 am**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:08 am i agree. i think bereft is projecting his view of the game on to me and that's towny too.

this is a 500 iq post if ur mafia

earlier u talk about thinking ur projecting ur stuff to lucy and now ur justifying tr on bereft for the same reason - projection. ergo u gotta be town. i believe it

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:16 am**

I suupose I should reveal that I think SPF is town and my thoughts started reversing course midway through "casing" SPF as Alison wants to put it.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:19 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:10 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:04 am maybe, but that doesn't really strike me as the way that lucy thinks about games. she tends to play very internally and makes a point of keeping her cards held close to her chest unless she feels like she has something important to say. so, her going out of her way to locktown two players in a dry gamestate pinged me specifically from her more than it would have pinged me from another random person
I have thoughts on this but would prefer @lucy answer first
i generally lack influence in games, that is generally my weakness. i know spf knows this, however i think she has failed to understand that tryhard means partly correcting my errors which in this case is trying to come up and say more thoughts. i definitely do play as she described, but i also didn't mean to be taken so seriously when saying "locking" lmako

spf is probably town

Yeah, I agree with this and my thoughts are that it seems like a natural evolution of your play after what we talked ahout post spec invitational. I also think that you are trying to impress some players in the game and that might make you play more aggressively

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:20 am**

admittedly that's a pretty towny reaction from lucy

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:20 am**

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:16 am I suupose I should reveal that I think SPF is town and my thoughts started reversing course midway through "casing" SPF as Alison wants to put it.

We are already pocketed, there is no need to do it twice

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:21 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:12 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:08 am i agree. i think bereft is projecting his view of the game on to me and that's towny too.
this is a 500 iq post if ur mafia

earlier u talk about thinking ur projecting ur stuff to lucy and now ur justifying tr on bereft for the same reason - projection. ergo u gotta be town. i believe it

classic tutuu town post

Welcome back

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:22 am**

I have only been pocketed by Alison so far.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:23 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:24 pm mac, 100 post cap btw, don't blow through it

Oh hell yeah we cappin erryday

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:28 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:35 pm i think rondo is always a very easy townread
i think mac town idk vibes astrology saturn
think lucy is town for the "imma tryhard this game" line
i think sean town coz idk vibes feelings jupiter
i think neon is town for those kpop gifs. she felt bad for last game with the npcs and stuff and now she chilling. an nyeong ha seyo

Am intriguing interpretation of my play. Not entirely inaccurate though this is more of NAI normal Neon play irregardless of alignment where as in Secret Playerlist Mafia I could never get into the game in a manner of speaking.

So I'd say I'll I did feel fucking awful but I don't think this play is directly a correlation of that nor should I be read on it.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:29 am**

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:39 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:35 pm i think rondo is always a very easy townread
i think mac town idk vibes astrology saturn
think lucy is town for the "imma tryhard this game" line
i think sean town coz idk vibes feelings jupiter
i think neon is town for those kpop gifs. she felt bad for last game with the npcs and stuff and now she chilling. an nyeong ha seyo
Free town reads for Koreans (D1 only).

What about Yuna simps do we get a D1 pass?

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:30 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:36 pm I am not Mafia!

None of you are surprised, tho you'll doubt me nonetheless

Falcon town

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:30 am**

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:55 am I dont think SPF is repping a "standard sensible town POV".

Welcome to my town list.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:32 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:21 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:12 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:08 am i agree. i think bereft is projecting his view of the game on to me and that's towny too.
this is a 500 iq post if ur mafia

earlier u talk about thinking ur projecting ur stuff to lucy and now ur justifying tr on bereft for the same reason - projection. ergo u gotta be town. i believe it
classic tutuu town post

Welcome back

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:35 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:58 am @MacDougall What was the basis for you initial Seanzie townread?

His initial read on Dennis didn't seem to have scum motivation behind it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:03 pm Alison (she/her) lw
Baudib1 (he/him) t
Bereft (he/him) t
Creature (he/him) ?
Dennis (he/him) lw
DrWilgy (he/him) .
falcon45ca (he/him) .
fingersplints (she/her) .
Jackofhearts2005 (he/him) .
Kate (she/her) ?
lucy (she/her) t
MacDougall (he/him) w
Neon (she/her) w
Porscha (she/her) t
RondoDimBuckle (any/Rondo) t
Roxy (she/her) .
Seanzie (he/him or they/them) t
sig (he/him) lt
staypositivefriend (she/her) t
tutuu (any) lt

update
[/quote]

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:36 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:35 am Alison (she/her) lw

agreed

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:39 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:05 am I agree with SPF that this is a super unexciting game so far. I am just gonna vote the easiest wolf to catch and try to break the game open with associatives.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:58 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:46 pm Also from my limited games with rondo he seems to be playing within his civ meta right now so probably wouldn’t want to vote their today
Just read through once and I for now agree on this. This is almost identical to the way he opened the last game and he was civ. Unless of course, he's doing that to make us think that... anyway nothing about his gameplay pings me thus far.

Lots of pings in this thread for a cold day 1 from many people. I'll have to reread tomorrow for any deeper thoughts.

Explain to me what's obvscum about this post

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:40 am**

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:42 am**

just figured out who oracle is

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:47 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:42 am just figured out who oracle is

well then its easy, dont vote them

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:52 am**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:45 pm We just voted off falcon day 1 so we can’t do that again this game

Sure we can. We shouldn't and Falcon is town but we can

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:53 am**

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:58 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:46 pm Also from my limited games with rondo he seems to be playing within his civ meta right now so probably wouldn’t want to vote their today
Just read through once and I for now agree on this. This is almost identical to the way he opened the last game and he was civ. Unless of course, he's doing that to make us think that... anyway nothing about his gameplay pings me thus far.

Lots of pings in this thread for a cold day 1 from many people. I'll have to reread tomorrow for any deeper thoughts.

<eyebrow wiggles>

This is a weird thing to say considering I have opened 3 different ways in front of you

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:56 am**

so theres a bunch of cards with anti-town effects like ending day or ending night early, no chop, stuff like that. oracle guy/dude/girl/anythin in between can be like "im watchin u" @ a wolf and catch them if they play the naughty anti-town card. so we jus gotta be careful for town not to play the anti-town cards, coz u arent allowed to claim stuff about it later, and oracle can find u and then big trouble

so it should go without saying but just covering the bases here - if ur town pls dont use the cards that do obvious bad stuff like - protecting a player from chop, ending day early, stuff like that. i think u can just like pass the card back and chill. i dunno if ending night early and randomizing night actions is anti-town it could be anti-wolf too. i havent read them all carefully

(i havent played w u all and there might be disagreements in what constitutes as an anti-town effect, iss why im making this post)

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:57 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:56 am so theres a bunch of cards with anti-town effects like ending day or ending night early, no chop, stuff like that. oracle guy/dude/girl/anythin in between can be like "im watchin u" @ a wolf and catch them if they play the naughty anti-town card. so we jus gotta be careful for town not to play the anti-town cards, coz u arent allowed to claim stuff about it later, and oracle can find u and then big trouble

so it should go without saying but just covering the bases here - if ur town pls dont use the cards that do obvious bad stuff like - protecting a player from chop, ending day early, stuff like that. i think u can just like pass the card back and chill. i dunno if ending night early and randomizing night actions is anti-town it could be anti-wolf too. i havent read them all carefully

(i havent played w u all and there might be disagreements in what constitutes as an anti-town effect, iss why im making this post)

Im gonna play the anti-town cards

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:58 am**

Shouldn't the Oracle just hard claim immediately?

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:58 am**

Ending day early is awesome.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:59 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:57 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:56 am so theres a bunch of cards with anti-town effects like ending day or ending night early, no chop, stuff like that. oracle guy/dude/girl/anythin in between can be like "im watchin u" @ a wolf and catch them if they play the naughty anti-town card. so we jus gotta be careful for town not to play the anti-town cards, coz u arent allowed to claim stuff about it later, and oracle can find u and then big trouble

so it should go without saying but just covering the bases here - if ur town pls dont use the cards that do obvious bad stuff like - protecting a player from chop, ending day early, stuff like that. i think u can just like pass the card back and chill. i dunno if ending night early and randomizing night actions is anti-town it could be anti-wolf too. i havent read them all carefully

(i havent played w u all and there might be disagreements in what constitutes as an anti-town effect, iss why im making this post)
Im gonna play the anti-town cards

GOD DAMN IT RONDO

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:00 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:58 am Shouldn't the Oracle just hard claim immediately?

they might eat and block a night kill but otherwise they're an immortal innocent child thats pretty rad. also can't be cc'd i think coz they can prove their role w night report

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:01 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:58 am Shouldn't the Oracle just hard claim immediately?

I dont think the Oracle is going to hard claim unless they are on the block and they should play it that way because then the other side of the block is probably a wolf

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:01 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:58 am Shouldn't the Oracle just hard claim immediately?
they might eat and block a night kill but otherwise they're an immortal innocent child thats pretty rad. also can't be cc'd i think coz they can prove their role w night report

or can they. coz other people cant claim what card they drew. so this falls into a bit gray territory wrt no info dumping like 2 oracles ccing each other and claiming night reports and the other players can silently be like "i just trust this dude over this dude for no apparent reason" BAM

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:04 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:58 am Shouldn't the Oracle just hard claim immediately?
I dont think the Oracle is going to hard claim unless they are on the block and they should play it that way because then the other side of the block is probably a wolf

Meh if I was Oracle I'd just claim early. The mafia are very unlikely to cc, we then don't waste time pushing them and we have a slot who we can at least trust the solving intentions of. I see very little downside to getting it out of the way early.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:06 am**

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:07 am**

I wouldn’t claim.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:08 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:39 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:05 am I agree with SPF that this is a super unexciting game so far. I am just gonna vote the easiest wolf to catch and try to break the game open with associatives.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:58 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:46 pm Also from my limited games with rondo he seems to be playing within his civ meta right now so probably wouldn’t want to vote their today
Just read through once and I for now agree on this. This is almost identical to the way he opened the last game and he was civ. Unless of course, he's doing that to make us think that... anyway nothing about his gameplay pings me thus far.

Lots of pings in this thread for a cold day 1 from many people. I'll have to reread tomorrow for any deeper thoughts.
Explain to me what's obvscum about this post

She agrees with Rondo meta, immediately undermines her own view, then promises a future reread (a reread? Thread was literally 2 pages) that has to happen before she gives any deeper thoughts. It's a waffly nothingburger of a post.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:10 am**

If I was oracle I would claim but that is because Inno Child Alison games have a very high winrate which might not apply to other people.

I am not Oracle

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:10 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:26 am dennis feels town to me but that avi of a good pup is cheating if he had a different avi it woulda been a different story

But my avatar is a cute girl isn't cheating. Disappoint.

Posted: **Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:12 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:55 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:34 pm
Baudib1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:06 pm Voted sig. I’m town.

Cya tomorrow.
*checks notes* I put this at 33% chance of being true
Baudib is my strongest townread at this point in time. Why do you think they are mafia?

Why not?

It was mostly a joke.

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