The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am JJJ probably town this game the dude feels way different from his mafia game solve wise.

Michelle I'm actually leaning town on a tad bit.

Annnnd can toss a townlean on Kate and Abigail.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:26 am Whom I THINK can be a wolf is...

....

....

THIS GUY!!!

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:26 am Hi Brad! It’s a joy to play again!

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:27 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am JJJ probably town this game the dude feels way different from his mafia game solve wise.

Michelle I'm actually leaning town on a tad bit.

Annnnd can toss a townlean on Kate and Abigail.

Talk to me about Abigail pls

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:25 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am My take is the oposite. She came, said a non energetic hi, saw a wagon and hopped in without any other logic behind that it have to contain a wolf and choosing the actual wagon because why not.

1. Wolves need to have to show activity so they will start by supporting any wagon on a townie that it's there.
2. The addition at the so called wagon analysis is so forced, "not me", and psychologically implies manipulative intention.
3. I am sorry you don't observe the pocketing attitude she has while she agrees with your Michelle/ Wiml not aligned.

I am putting my vote down on her and I would do it for any other wagon she would put her vote on as third vote for no reason, but I am doing it with more conviction because I have TMI on my alignament.

[VOTE: Abigail] aubergine

I can understand this perspective, and in an ironic sense the validity in "one of these people is mafia" can be applied to her as much as to you or Wiml. Perhaps there's self-awareness in that.

I'll remove my town read on her for now. I don't have much confidence in it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:27 am I think I understand how Epignosis is playing so far, and if so that's a good thing for him. I don't want to expand on that yet.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:29 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:27 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am JJJ probably town this game the dude feels way different from his mafia game solve wise.

Michelle I'm actually leaning town on a tad bit.

Annnnd can toss a townlean on Kate and Abigail.

Talk to me about Abigail pls

Mostly vibes while reading her posts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:28 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:26 am Whom I THINK can be a wolf is...

....

....

THIS GUY!!!

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I'd love to hear more about that.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:31 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:29 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:27 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am JJJ probably town this game the dude feels way different from his mafia game solve wise.

Michelle I'm actually leaning town on a tad bit.

Annnnd can toss a townlean on Kate and Abigail.

Talk to me about Abigail pls

Mostly vibes while reading her posts.

She has good vibes as wolf too.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:31 amDoesn't seem to care about his vote.

His question towards Epi voting Quinn didn't feel like something he was trying to use to solve Epi and didn't look like he cared about the response.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:34 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:31 amDoesn't seem to care about his vote.

His question towards Epi voting Quinn didn't feel like something he was trying to use to solve Epi and didn't look like he cared about the response.

Understood, thanks. I'll stow my thoughts until falcon responds to this.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:34 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:31 amDoesn't seem to care about his vote.

His question towards Epi voting Quinn didn't feel like something he was trying to use to solve Epi and didn't look like he cared about the response.

Understood, thanks. I'll stow my thoughts until falcon responds to this.

He'll probably post.






Like this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:39 am Something good
falcon45ca
Kate
Epignosis
Michelle

Undecided
Abigail
Lime Coke
Wiml
Roxy

Nothing
DrWilgy
Quin

I'm at something like this. The names are not ordered within groups, and positions are tenuous. I am less confident in all of these than I would like to be, but one must start somewhere.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:40 am I think while is night in America the thread will be dead anyway so I am waiting for new inputs before posting more.

If it’s late at you, go to sleep, everyone!

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:40 am I think while is night in America the thread will be dead anyway so I am waiting for new inputs before posting more.

If it’s late at you, go to sleep, everyone!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:43 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:40 am I think while is night in America the thread will be dead anyway so I am waiting for new inputs before posting more.

If it’s late at you, go to sleep, everyone!

Thank you for caring more about my wellbeing than I care about my wellbeing.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:45 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:40 am I think while is night in America the thread will be dead anyway so I am waiting for new inputs before posting more.

If it’s late at you, go to sleep, everyone!

Eh there seems to be a decent amount of posting already but certain slots need to wake up a bit more.

Spoiler: show

Yes I understand glass houses are cheap on Zillow.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:41 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:21 pm And obviously having a pleasant set of players toxicity-wise is very nice as well.

Oh dear I see you don't know me...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:56 am @Lime Coke do you have an initial impression of Wiml?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:59 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:45 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:40 am I think while is night in America the thread will be dead anyway so I am waiting for new inputs before posting more.

If it’s late at you, go to sleep, everyone!

Eh there seems to be a decent amount of posting already but certain slots need to wake up a bit more.

Spoiler: show

Yes I understand glass houses are cheap on Zillow.

Yes, this game needs more talking

I don't get the spoiler

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml


One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:56 am @Lime Coke do you have an initial impression of Wiml?

Neutral currently since I'm sort of afraid of reading him after failing twice spectating his Champs games.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:49 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml


One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.

I’m considering a Michelle/Wiml “difference check”. That term is too strong for where I stand, but some softer version of that.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:41 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml


One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.

Why are you confident that there's specifically one wolf in those four names?

Given that you would know that you're town, I'm not seeing a compelling reason why a two vote wagon on another player during RVS has to contain a wolf within the three names with the confidence you're suggesting here.

Not that I don't think it's very plausible but I'm specifically interested about hearing about why you're so confident about this.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:48 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:41 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml


One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.

Why are you confident that there's specifically one wolf in those four names?

Given that you would know that you're town, I'm not seeing a compelling reason why a two vote wagon on another player during RVS has to contain a wolf within the three names with the confidence you're suggesting here.

Not that I don't think it's very plausible but I'm specifically interested about hearing about why you're so confident about this.

Sir if there is one thing that I am, it is scared.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:46 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:49 pm I’m considering a Michelle/Wiml “difference check”. That term is too strong for where I stand, but some softer version of that.

Expand on your thought process behind this, please?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:49 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:46 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:49 pm I’m considering a Michelle/Wiml “difference check”. That term is too strong for where I stand, but some softer version of that.

Expand on your thought process behind this, please?

I had two conflicting impressions: Michelle's reads were hard to buy, and you seemed a bit opportunistic in pushing it the way that you did. That'd suggest one mafia between the two of you without clarity about who. It was more a hunch that I was mulling over, and the term "difference check" generally implies more certitude -- so "softer version of that". I can see you both being town too.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:48 am

Spoiler: show

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:41 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml


One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.

Why are you confident that there's specifically one wolf in those four names?

Given that you would know that you're town, I'm not seeing a compelling reason why a two vote wagon on another player during RVS has to contain a wolf within the three names with the confidence you're suggesting here.

Not that I don't think it's very plausible but I'm specifically interested about hearing about why you're so confident about this.

Sir if there is one thing that I am, it is scared.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:52 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:49 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:46 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:49 pm I’m considering a Michelle/Wiml “difference check”. That term is too strong for where I stand, but some softer version of that.

Expand on your thought process behind this, please?

I had two conflicting impressions: Michelle's reads were hard to buy, and you seemed a bit opportunistic in pushing it the way that you did. That'd suggest one mafia between the two of you without clarity about who. It was more a hunch that I was mulling over, and the term "difference check" generally implies more certitude -- so "softer version of that". I can see you both being town too.

Alright, seems fair. I tried to make it clear with the follow up post but it really wasn't a strong read on my end - I just had a lot to say since I'd been holding off while Michelle was still answering questions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 6:36 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 6:21 pm I will explain why I make GTH reads at SoD: it's to see reactions.
They don't have bad reactions, both of them, insta voting me for making an undeserved AI judgement.
You, otoh, you are focused on your image and the way you present yourself and your reads. It may be that you turned into a pedantic player who needs rainbow reads for 4 players.
Or you want to show off and the focus on how you look it's your way to impress the other townies?

@Wiml could you please share your impressions of this post?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:00 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:52 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:49 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:46 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:49 pm I’m considering a Michelle/Wiml “difference check”. That term is too strong for where I stand, but some softer version of that.

Expand on your thought process behind this, please?

I had two conflicting impressions: Michelle's reads were hard to buy, and you seemed a bit opportunistic in pushing it the way that you did. That'd suggest one mafia between the two of you without clarity about who. It was more a hunch that I was mulling over, and the term "difference check" generally implies more certitude -- so "softer version of that". I can see you both being town too.

Alright, seems fair. I tried to make it clear with the follow up post but it really wasn't a strong read on my end - I just had a lot to say since I'd been holding off while Michelle was still answering questions.

Wiml can you continue here?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:05 am Also @JaggedJimmyJay here are my last 2 finished games one town one mafia at MU, not turbos/mashes/anons (because I played 2 anon games, 2 mashes and 3 turbos but they are not regular games)

Season 10, Game 6: The Good, the Bad, and the Scummy (The Mafia Championship)
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ionship%29

Mafia League: S2 M1G1
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ue-S2-M1G1

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:03 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:00 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:52 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:49 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:46 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:49 pm I’m considering a Michelle/Wiml “difference check”. That term is too strong for where I stand, but some softer version of that.

Expand on your thought process behind this, please?

I had two conflicting impressions: Michelle's reads were hard to buy, and you seemed a bit opportunistic in pushing it the way that you did. That'd suggest one mafia between the two of you without clarity about who. It was more a hunch that I was mulling over, and the term "difference check" generally implies more certitude -- so "softer version of that". I can see you both being town too.

Alright, seems fair. I tried to make it clear with the follow up post but it really wasn't a strong read on my end - I just had a lot to say since I'd been holding off while Michelle was still answering questions.

Wiml can you continue here?

Anything in particular you'd like me to expand on?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:10 pm

Spoiler: show

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:41 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:14 pm Hi everyone, I waited for this game to start with so much joy and excitement!
Maybe because of the bugs, or because the playerslist is so cool, I let you guess!

Let's have a fun game

Linki: we don't murder people in cold blood, sir, we analyze facts and eliminate the suspects

Vote: Michelle.

Hi.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml


One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:49 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml


One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.

I’m considering a Michelle/Wiml “difference check”. That term is too strong for where I stand, but some softer version of that.

I think it could be. I know I'm town.

I don't agree with locking falcon town for such weak reasons but I am town leaning falcon.

So to me it's always Michelle or Wiml

To expand on my town read of Abigail, refer to the above spoiler. The initial vote means little on its own, but coupled with the follow-up, a concrete and meaningful strategy is visible. Abigail joined the game to find two votes already on Michelle (falcon and Wiml), and determined that this is mafia-indicative for someone in that trio -- so she voted for one of them (reasonably, the one already receiving votes). I believe I have seen this precise rationale from Abigail in the past, and it's a unique sort of methodology that I think she shares with the DrWilgy types of the world. The rationale is generally either a member of the mafia team has fumbled the bag with an awkward entry, or town is getting railroaded and mafia are chomping at the bit to make it worse. It's not necessarily a philosophy I believe in myself, but I believe that Abigail believes in it. I'm also not sure that's the direction she is likely to go immediately upon entering the game if she is mafia.

I also like her gentle resistance to my confidence about falcon, even as she town reads falcon herself. Healthy skepticism of vocal thread motion is a good thing if done responsibly, and Abigail did so responsibly.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:14 am If the following people could provide link representative games of the listed alignments like JJJ did earlier then I'd appreciate it greatly:

@DrWilgy - Town
@Epignosis - Mafia
@falcon45ca - Mafia (not the recent one)
@Kate - Mafia
@Quin - Both
@Roxy - Both

Sorry for the mass ping!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:11 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:58 pm To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.

Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?

I don't believe you interpreted JJJ's statement this way.

Fake entrance.

[VOTE: ☆Princess Abigail☆] aubergine