falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:08 amWhat if I told you that there was a Canucks playoff game last night, and hockey > Maf?
I certainly believe you that hockey > Maf, though I’m not sure hockey prevents falcon from making falcon posts.
I dunno dude, that guy sure loves his Canucks
Well, nobody's perfect. But hockey definitely trumps mafia, even it involves cheering for the wrong team.
Whose jersey do you wear?
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 10:43 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
G-Man has given me non-zero town credit for puns. That's definitely a new one.
Undecided if I care about this either way, so this post may be largely pointless. Just thinking aloud.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 10:53 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 7:46 pm
This assumes a chaotic evil approach, in which the baddies don't put a lot of stake in the pride of winning the game either though. So your mileage may vary depending on the proclivities and egos of the baddie players.
Is this a theory that you would like to pursue?
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 11:01 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 7:16 pm
I don't think Wilgy is mafia.
I'm sitting here thinking through motivations for a not mafia read on someone with zero posts.
Do I believe a mafia Epignosis would make this read on DrWilgy if they're not teammates? I would not expect that. Why discard one's own bait?
Do I believe a mafia Epignosis would make this read on DrWilgy if they are teammates? I'm also not sure about this one, but in the interest of being responsible I won't discount it.
Do I believe a civilian Epignosis would make this read on DrWilgy? I think so. I can imagine at least one explanation for it, maybe two. Before I share those, I'll ask:
Epi, a couple words to expand on this would be super.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 7:16 pm
I don't think Wilgy is mafia.
I'm sitting here thinking through motivations for a not mafia read on someone with zero posts.
Do I believe a mafia Epignosis would make this read on DrWilgy if they're not teammates? I would not expect that. Why discard one's own bait?
Do I believe a mafia Epignosis would make this read on DrWilgy if they are teammates? I'm also not sure about this one, but in the interest of being responsible I won't discount it.
Do I believe a civilian Epignosis would make this read on DrWilgy? I think so. I can imagine at least one explanation for it, maybe two. Before I share those, I'll ask:
Epi, a couple words to expand on this would be super.
Just hosted him. He was civilian and largely inactive there. Pretty sure he was more excited about being Captain America than he would ever be about being a rabbit. I would have expected at least a "Hello friends, I am most definitely Dr. Edward C. Rabbitt were he mafia. My instinct is that Wilgy doesn't even know this is going on.
Now ask me why that doesn't apply to fingersplints.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 11:28 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:23 pm
Just hosted him. He was civilian and largely inactive there. Pretty sure he was more excited about being Captain America than he would ever be about being a rabbit. I would have expected at least a "Hello friends, I am most definitely Dr. Edward C. Rabbitt were he mafia. My instinct is that Wilgy doesn't even know this is going on.
Now ask me why that doesn't apply to fingersplints.
Thanks, that's essentially one of the reasons I expected (minus the just hosted which is also fine).
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:23 pm
Just hosted him. He was civilian and largely inactive there. Pretty sure he was more excited about being Captain America than he would ever be about being a rabbit. I would have expected at least a "Hello friends, I am most definitely Dr. Edward C. Rabbitt were he mafia. My instinct is that Wilgy doesn't even know this is going on.
Now ask me why that doesn't apply to fingersplints.
Thanks, that's essentially one of the reasons I expected (minus the just hosted which is also fine).
Why does that not apply to fingersplints?
fingersplints didn't get to be Captain America!
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 11:35 pm
by Epignosis
[VOTE:
No vote] aubergine
I hate expressing what I'm about to express.
I suspect falcon because he is being more active.
Does that make sense? Does it make sense why I hate saying it?
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 11:41 pm
by Epignosis
A thing I don't hate saying:
If you are a civilian, do yourself a favor and talk WITH your suspect. Not AT or AGAINST your suspect. Additionally, get other opinions about your suspect rather than spend 12 pages in a back and forth.
Keep the dialogue open.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 11:43 pm
by Epignosis
Also, if you will look at the schedule JJJ keeps in his office, you will note that I am working my ass off tomorrow and Sunday (as usual). I will attempt to squeeze in what time I can.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 11:44 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:35 pm[VOTE:
No vote] aubergine
I hate expressing what I'm about to express.
I suspect falcon because he is being more active.
Does that make sense? Does it make sense why I hate saying it?
It makes sense that you'd hate saying it. Slow games like these are very much a rock and a hard place experience, because we can least afford to remove active players and it's easier for mafia-aligned players to appear "active".
The read itself I cannot speak to. I have not personally associated falcon's activity level with his alignment. Has he said something in particular to trigger this concern, or is it a general caution about his overall engagement?
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 11:49 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:43 pm
Also, if you will look at the schedule JJJ keeps in his office, you will note that I am working my ass off tomorrow and Sunday (as usual). I will attempt to squeeze in what time I can.
I was about to take you to task for this, but then I realized my Epignosis schedule was still on April.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:35 pm[VOTE:
No vote] aubergine
I hate expressing what I'm about to express.
I suspect falcon because he is being more active.
Does that make sense? Does it make sense why I hate saying it?
It makes sense that you'd hate saying it. Slow games like these are very much a rock and a hard place experience, because we can least afford to remove active players and it's easier for mafia-aligned players to appear "active".
The read itself I cannot speak to. I have not personally associated falcon's activity level with his alignment. Has he said something in particular to trigger this concern, or is it a general caution about his overall engagement?
I could be being unfair. I DO feel like active falcon is bad falcon.
But in the game I just hosted, falcon was "bad" until choosing to be "good." However, I think in all that time he was gigging or getting it on with groupers.
I'll call this a mild Day 1 suspicion on circumstantial evidence at best.
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 5:58 am
New game - yay! Glad we have some time as I am on my way to work.
Happy Fry-YAY!!!!!
Hello hello! o/
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:14 am[VOTE:
epi] aubergine
Trix is shitty cereal, and the Trix rabbit is bottom rung cereal mascot...does not even come close to Tony the Tiger, or Snap Crackle & Pop
WT-----A-------F???????????????????????
No, just no!
Original fake Trix with all the preservatives and shit I cannot pronounce is way better than it is now - in fact so much better they are returning to the original kind!! <3
Plus nothing is greater than Pebbles on the Fruity Pebbles box <3
Frosted Flakes and Rice Krispies are for old people ---like older than me even.
I do not even know you right now!
Still not much happening tho I do realize some are doing their jam by making something out of nothing Day 1 and I say more power to ya.
For me I have seen nothing worth mentioning as yet.
Delta wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 9:46 am
Any thoughts so far?
You and Jay have done an adequate job of hoisting this game out of the silent void it was resting in. Enough so to award you each a townie point.
Sloonei's Maf
Enlightening
Tell me more?
You asked him for thoughts on the game, and he gave the most boiler plate response I can think of for a Maf to not ruffle feathers D1
Sometimes it just be like that.
OK fair...sometimes
What are your thoughts now? Have you any other reads you could share?
Nope.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 12:46 am
by Long Con
What read would you most like to have?
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 12:51 am
by Sloonei
If I could have an accurate Wilgy read bestowed upon me, that would be super. I’ve never been able to figure out how read him organically.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 12:51 am
by Sloonei
I think Epi is town.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 12:59 am
by Long Con
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 12:51 am
I think Epi is town.
I can get on board with that.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 3:02 am
by Lime Coke
Today was a chaotic day and I apologize for the lack of presence...
Also lacking presence because the stores are closed...
JJJ attempting to do things upon Page 2 when nothing is happening is towny and his impatience to make things happen also reigns towny.
Falcon pressing randomly and answering things like Delta's questions putting reads on players feels towny.
Lemme check something else hold on...
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 3:03 am
by Lime Coke
I was going to place G-Man in towns but then looked at iso and realized he wasn't really as towny so could vote there.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 3:05 am
by Lime Coke
Townread:
Delta
JJJ
Falcon
Townlean:
LC
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 3:07 am
by Lime Coke
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 3:03 am
I was going to place G-Man in towns but then looked at iso and realized he wasn't really as towny so could vote there.
Main reason being he kinda just spoke about a past game and that's really it.
Like yes it was in topic with talking about yeeting low-posters or people that didn't even post but yeah still didn't do much else.
Shaded a JJJ vote on him lightly.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 3:55 am
by Delta
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 12:46 am
What read would you most like to have?
General thoughts would be appreciated \o/
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:52 am
by Roxy
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:53 am
Cap’n Crunch is the best non-bunny cereal mascot.
Peanut Butter? And I agree!
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 12:17 pm
We live in a world where both of our current no-posters (Wilgy and Splints) are baddies and planning to low-post coast through Day 1 to establish psychological advantage.
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 12:17 pm
We live in a world where both of our current no-posters (Wilgy and Splints) are baddies and planning to low-post coast through Day 1 to establish psychological advantage.
Discuss.
Doesnt have quite the same flair to it as myself/Lime Coke
Though does that not give the opposite of an advantage? ;;'
Wilgy and I baddie-slanked our way to victory in a small game a while back, but I can't recall which one. There was a lot of "OMFG, it was BOTH of the low posters?!?" after the fact.
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 12:17 pm
We live in a world where both of our current no-posters (Wilgy and Splints) are baddies and planning to low-post coast through Day 1 to establish psychological advantage.
Discuss.
In the last game I played, I found that there was resistance to the idea of taking out low- or no-posters on day one.
This. In a game this small, it's more dangerous to policy chop a low-poster because the odds quickly stack up against you if you're wrong and have few if any meaningful interactions to ISO off of. If you're willing to live dangerously instead of methodically, and have a winning-be-damned, in-it-for-the-fun-of-playing mindset, then it's easier to commit to. But there's a lot of social pressure to make the 'correct' wrong choices when you err, so the tendency is to shy away from chopping low posters.
The mindset behind it is as follows:
This assumes a chaotic evil approach, in which the baddies don't put a lot of stake in the pride of winning the game either though. So your mileage may vary depending on the proclivities and egos of the baddie players.
This feels totes like a G post but I disagree with the take.
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 5:58 am
New game - yay! Glad we have some time as I am on my way to work.
Happy Fry-YAY!!!!!
Hello hello! o/
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:14 am[VOTE:
epi] aubergine
Trix is shitty cereal, and the Trix rabbit is bottom rung cereal mascot...does not even come close to Tony the Tiger, or Snap Crackle & Pop
WT-----A-------F???????????????????????
No, just no!
Original fake Trix with all the preservatives and shit I cannot pronounce is way better than it is now - in fact so much better they are returning to the original kind!! <3
Plus nothing is greater than Pebbles on the Fruity Pebbles box <3
Frosted Flakes and Rice Krispies are for old people ---like older than me even.
I do not even know you right now!
Still not much happening tho I do realize some are doing their jam by making something out of nothing Day 1 and I say more power to ya.
For me I have seen nothing worth mentioning as yet.
Be the cereal you wish to see in the world.
[VOTE:
Roxy-Os] aubergine
but I was? Why do you hate Fruity Pebbles?
I would never be so bland as to be anything associated with an "O's" FYI!
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 7:43 am
by Roxy
Ok I am caught up and tbh there really is not much here from anyone that says "hey I am bad".
I always struggle on D 1's and am astounded at those that can pick and nudge people and find stuff on D 1.
Am not sure who is bad nor who to trust just yet. It's way too early for that.
I know I probs would not vote for Wigly or splints but I probs won't vote GMan as it has been a-while since we have last played and I am hopeful for a GMan style game since he is around! (how's the kids?)
Delta is high posting.
Lime Coke feels absent.
LC feels like he is auditioning for a SNL episode.
falcon seems normal but I cannot trust my read on him any longer.
JJJ feels like and eager beaver aiming to please.
Epi seems like Epi and since I feel he is bad he is probs good.
Sloonei I cannot even remember the last time we played but I do know this feels like you are doing your best Vompatti impression.
this is where I am and honestly very unsure of where my vote will go.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 7:44 am
by Lime Coke
*Sees Fruity Pebbles be mentioned.
Looks out in the distance.*
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 7:45 am
by Roxy
I have Ariya so I will not be around, around I'll just be around.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 7:47 am
by Lime Coke
By the way my absence was because of being in the hospital with a family member. The connection and WiFi was shit so I was sort of in a dark hole from the rest of the world.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 7:49 am
by Lime Coke
I'm currently in the "so tired I can't fall asleep" point so yeah.
I gave what I had for what's all transpired thus far in the game.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 7:51 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:47 am
By the way my absence was because of being in the hospital with a family member. The connection and WiFi was shit so I was sort of in a dark hole from the rest of the world.
I hope all’s well
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 7:54 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
@Roxy, you asked me what constitutes a falcon post. The prototype would probably be some combination of silly, frank, and accusatory. I think posts like that eventually arrived for falcon.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 7:56 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:43 am
JJJ feels like and eager beaver aiming to please.
Is that good or bad?
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 8:20 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
Delta
Epignosis
falcon45ca
Lime Coke
Other
Not exactly where I’d like to be at this point, but also perhaps manageable given the slow pace. It could be worse.
With two mafia, we’re allowed three misses (POE pool of five, which calls for a town pool of six not including oneself). We’re not quite there, but the table is set.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 8:21 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
I don’t think I will vote for a zero poster today either. I have no reason to associate either Wilgy or splints with the deliberate avoidance of the thread as mafia, so it’d be a wild guess.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 8:45 am
by Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 8:21 am
I don’t think I will vote for a zero poster today either. I have no reason to associate either Wilgy or splints with the deliberate avoidance of the thread as mafia, so it’d be a wild guess.
So you'll vote G-man, Roxy, Long Con, or Sloonei.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 10:05 am
by Long Con
You kind of got right up to the point where you might mention your list of suspects and then left it hanging, didn't you?
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 10:08 am
by Long Con
No I get it. Process of elimination. Just give me a funny feeling.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:08 amWhat if I told you that there was a Canucks playoff game last night, and hockey > Maf?
I certainly believe you that hockey > Maf, though I’m not sure hockey prevents falcon from making falcon posts.
I dunno dude, that guy sure loves his Canucks
Well, nobody's perfect. But hockey definitely trumps mafia, even it involves cheering for the wrong team.
Whose jersey do you wear?
When I was a surly teenager, I opted to go against the grain and picked a team other than the ones my family supported. My dad and sister were Penguins fans (Lemieux & Jagr era) and my mom liked the Blackhawks (she thought Chris Chelios was cute). I got a book about the NHL from the library and wound up picking the MontrealCanadiens because their colors and logo were snappy, they had a lot of history, and they were a completely off-the-radar seeming kind of team. This was a few years AFTER they last won the Cup in '93 though, so they have only had a few really good years and that one fluky Cup Finals appearance. Also, because they're Canadian, they're like never on TV. Over the last 25 years, I've become more of a fan of the sport that any particular team, but I still have preferences. I don't take part in the obnoxious entitlement component of their fan base, nor am I hardwired to any of their rivalries. My preference for Canadian teams flows in this order: Montreal, Calgary, Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Vancouver, Ottawa.
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 7:46 pm
This assumes a chaotic evil approach, in which the baddies don't put a lot of stake in the pride of winning the game either though. So your mileage may vary depending on the proclivities and egos of the baddie players.
Is this a theory that you would like to pursue?
Not yet. I was just mentioning it because it is a theory that I have employed myself in the past, so I know that it is possible. Given the post counts so far, it's difficult to say where the cutoff between low-posting and adequate-posting even is. Splints and Wilgy haven't even posted yet, which presents another set of challenges in a game this small. I don't equate no-posting absenteeism with low-posting mischief. How about you?
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 12:51 am
If I could have an accurate Wilgy read bestowed upon me, that would be super. I’ve never been able to figure out how read him organically.
What methodology have you used to read him artificially in the past? Success rate?
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 3:03 am
I was going to place G-Man in towns but then looked at iso and realized he wasn't really as towny so could vote there.
Main reason being he kinda just spoke about a past game and that's really it.
Like yes it was in topic with talking about yeeting low-posters or people that didn't even post but yeah still didn't do much else.
Shaded a JJJ vote on him lightly.
Yes, unfortunately, I don't bring much to these games. I'm data-driven, and D1 and D2 are just spaghetti on the walls of my brain. By D3 I get better about analyzing what's really sticking, but we don't have the luxury of time in this game. If I have to be an early mischop for the town to move forward, that's fine by me.
Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:43 am
Ok I am caught up and tbh there really is not much here from anyone that says "hey I am bad".
I always struggle on D 1's and am astounded at those that can pick and nudge people and find stuff on D 1.
Am not sure who is bad nor who to trust just yet. It's way too early for that.
I know I probs would not vote for Wigly or splints but I probs won't vote GMan as it has been a-while since we have last played and I am hopeful for a GMan style game since he is around! (how's the kids?)
Delta is high posting.
Lime Coke feels absent.
LC feels like he is auditioning for a SNL episode.
falcon seems normal but I cannot trust my read on him any longer.
JJJ feels like and eager beaver aiming to please.
Epi seems like Epi and since I feel he is bad he is probs good.
Sloonei I cannot even remember the last time we played but I do know this feels like you are doing your best Vompatti impression.
this is where I am and honestly very unsure of where my vote will go.
They're 12 and 8 now. My 6th grader won the middle school spelling bee back in December and her grades kicked butt all year. My youngest is auditioning for next year's elementary musical this morning. Lots of spunk in that one. My oldest is our introverted people pleaser, while my youngest is our litigator and fighter.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 10:17 am
by G-Man
Welcome to ISO-kicking time at the OK Corral. I've got a half-bathroom to paint this weekend, starting soon, so I don't have much more time to commit to the day phase. I'm going to look at ISO's, post a surface-level reading comment or two, and a question for the group and the individual player ISO'd for each of you. Keep calm and don't get sucked into any EOD shenanigans.
Re: [D1] Leporidae Mafia
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 11:30 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 10:08 am
No I get it. Process of elimination. Just give me a funny feeling.
You gathered it, yes. I’m kind of bedridden and posting from mobile, so I granted myself the lazy “other”.
