The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:09 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:02 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:36 pm I would rather she spend her interacting time doing more than bread puns, instead of dumping thoughts when no one's around. But yeah, saying things is the only way.

Um, I'm fairly sure everyone but Jay has been bread bunning. And "dumping thoughts when no ones around"?? Wow. Sorry I get up at 4:30 for work.

Do you think this take on you is scummy for Long Con?

No, not scummy, but maybe unfair. It surprised me that he said that, but I think it sounds pissy rather than scummy if that makes sense.

Like with you, I need to see more on topic with LC to form an opinion. I used to always think he was bad, so I need to focus on what he says rather than how he says it like I do with most people.

I was going to say why Roxy's response to Jay correcting that townish vibe doesn't mean towny looked towny for her but I second guessed it mid writeup. I think it's probably a good look for her that she jumped to correct it, but it's a bit too agreeable for me to give her real town points for it.

Her calling out that exact post of mine and saying it was slick wording was just a spot-on ping for how I remember she reads me so I townread her. I know she's scumread me for being too agreeable and townreads when I keep the pressure on and push anti-consensus reads.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:21 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:09 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:02 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:36 pm I would rather she spend her interacting time doing more than bread puns, instead of dumping thoughts when no one's around. But yeah, saying things is the only way.

Um, I'm fairly sure everyone but Jay has been bread bunning. And "dumping thoughts when no ones around"?? Wow. Sorry I get up at 4:30 for work.

Do you think this take on you is scummy for Long Con?

No, not scummy, but maybe unfair. It surprised me that he said that, but I think it sounds pissy rather than scummy if that makes sense.

Like with you, I need to see more on topic with LC to form an opinion. I used to always think he was bad, so I need to focus on what he says rather than how he says it like I do with most people.

That question was somewhat of a trap and you responded well. Welp, I don't have any suspects and that's annoying to me.

To explain the trap, if you had responded saying it was scummy and started shading or pushing him I would have scumread you. I remember you having a pattern of thinking Long Con was bad so I wanted to see if you would pay attention to your bias when reading him.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 5:09 pm I AM TOWN!





I'm not afraid of anything, except being bored

Omg me too

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:13 pm @Thunal33

- Epignosis has voted for you with some implication of suspicion about your handling of him and me.
- S~V~S has said you're a null read, more "casual" than usual, not in an alignment-indicative sense.
- Roxy has suggested your explanation in response to Epignosis was like dancing the cha-cha-cha.
- Long Con suggested some kind of suspicion of his own, clarified effectively by Roxy's description.
- I have suggested that your hunting engagement has been a bit muted.

For such a short thread, this is a considerably negative state of affairs for you (even if not everyone above was concretely negative, e.g., S~V~S). What do you make of that situation, and what do you make of the people mentioned in this post?

Well I am going to respond to the "hunting engagement being a bit muted". I didn't need to be the lead prodder and I usually do better with read accuracy when I'm not and have a background view of the thread. In Workout Mafia I had to hit the ground running (and had a whole day of info to work with) because there were so few posts and they needed a town leader so I took up the main role trying to generate content. I think you filled that role yesterday so I was willing to prod with what I wanted to prod but mostly take a back seat and gather my thoughts while having some fun.

To be honest, I'm a little surprised you haven't given me positive points for a few things on d1. One being that I was bold enough to enter with an appeal to townread you and then double down on it, another being that I was more relaxed than I would have been as scum, and another being that I interacted with you more than anyone else early by my own choice.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 5:14 pm Alright folks, up and at 'em, we have a game to solve. 7 vs. 2 mountainous is friendly to the mafia unless we refuse to accept that (though I acknowledge towns have done nicely in these lately).

I suddenly got bloodlust reading this post

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 5:41 pm YES I'M SO GLAD I RANDED TOWN AGAIN!

(this is an appeal to get Jay to townread me)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:05 pm This is where someone says "that's way too easy a town read, you're phony JJJ, I hate you"

that's way too easy a town read, you're phony JJJ, I hate you

Hi Abi!

On an unrelated note I'm keeping my townlean on Falcon. So many people felt good about his entrance with nobody feeling bad from the start that he's probably threadspewed town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 2:00 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆ you wanna get in here probably!

I thought about it

motobot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 2:33 pm Before anyone asks, I don't have a read on anyone so far. As far as I know anyone could be mafia.

Vote: moto

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:43 pm Hi Abi!

On an unrelated note I'm keeping my townlean on Falcon. So many people felt good about his entrance with nobody feeling bad from the start that he's probably threadspewed town.

Actually a little concerning to me how quickly people went from falcon town to "I don't remember why falcon town"

Annoyingly I have zero town reads and many scummy reads so that's fun for the girl who wants to build a town core

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:53 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:43 pm Hi Abi!

On an unrelated note I'm keeping my townlean on Falcon. So many people felt good about his entrance with nobody feeling bad from the start that he's probably threadspewed town.

Actually a little concerning to me how quickly people went from falcon town to "I don't remember why falcon town"

Annoyingly I have zero town reads and many scummy reads so that's fun for the girl who wants to build a town core

That's kind of the opposite of where I am lol. Who are your scummy reads?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:53 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:43 pm Hi Abi!

On an unrelated note I'm keeping my townlean on Falcon. So many people felt good about his entrance with nobody feeling bad from the start that he's probably threadspewed town.

Actually a little concerning to me how quickly people went from falcon town to "I don't remember why falcon town"

Annoyingly I have zero town reads and many scummy reads so that's fun for the girl who wants to build a town core

That's something I said. Did someone else say that?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:17 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:40 pm Roxy hit the Epi=Town conclusion before you did. Argued with you when you were poking at him. What do you think of her? Looks like she's after Thunal... I don't know if Thunal's flippantness is relaxed Towny or what, but I don't feel Wolfness from it at least.

How was I ever being flippant? I was fluff posting for fun like anyone else and poked at a very low confidence thought.

He asked your reads and you said you think Syn is the host. and you responded to falcon's "wolfy" with "towny". Both delightfully flippant, no?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:59 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:53 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:43 pm Hi Abi!

On an unrelated note I'm keeping my townlean on Falcon. So many people felt good about his entrance with nobody feeling bad from the start that he's probably threadspewed town.

Actually a little concerning to me how quickly people went from falcon town to "I don't remember why falcon town"

Annoyingly I have zero town reads and many scummy reads so that's fun for the girl who wants to build a town core

That's kind of the opposite of where I am lol. Who are your scummy reads?

JJJ
LC
Moto

Wheee

To a lesser extent you but I'm not gonna pile on that

Actually... not really wheee

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:38 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:17 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:40 pm Roxy hit the Epi=Town conclusion before you did. Argued with you when you were poking at him. What do you think of her? Looks like she's after Thunal... I don't know if Thunal's flippantness is relaxed Towny or what, but I don't feel Wolfness from it at least.

How was I ever being flippant? I was fluff posting for fun like anyone else and poked at a very low confidence thought.

He asked your reads and you said you think Syn is the host. and you responded to falcon's "wolfy" with "towny". Both delightfully flippant, no?

Hmm I guess you're right lol.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:42 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:59 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:53 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:43 pm Hi Abi!

On an unrelated note I'm keeping my townlean on Falcon. So many people felt good about his entrance with nobody feeling bad from the start that he's probably threadspewed town.

Actually a little concerning to me how quickly people went from falcon town to "I don't remember why falcon town"

Annoyingly I have zero town reads and many scummy reads so that's fun for the girl who wants to build a town core

That's kind of the opposite of where I am lol. Who are your scummy reads?

JJJ
LC
Moto

Wheee

Can you talk to me about JJJ? Because I've been tinfoiling him for suspecting me for "muted hunting". LC vibes town but I really can't say why lol. He has an energy that seems in line with the thread.

Popping in during a slow shift.

I have played with Roxy for over a decade. She still tricks me. At this juncture, from what I have read, I don't think Roxy is mafia.

I'd be reluctant to vote JJJ.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:39 pm To be honest, I'm a little surprised you haven't given me positive points for a few things on d1. One being that I was bold enough to enter with an appeal to townread you and then double down on it, another being that I was more relaxed than I would have been as scum, and another being that I interacted with you more than anyone else early by my own choice.

Why should JJJ view anyone positively for any of that, especially this early?

No take on S~V~S or Long Con.

Thunal still my biggest suspect at this time.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:52 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:42 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:59 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:53 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:43 pm Hi Abi!

On an unrelated note I'm keeping my townlean on Falcon. So many people felt good about his entrance with nobody feeling bad from the start that he's probably threadspewed town.

Actually a little concerning to me how quickly people went from falcon town to "I don't remember why falcon town"

Annoyingly I have zero town reads and many scummy reads so that's fun for the girl who wants to build a town core

That's kind of the opposite of where I am lol. Who are your scummy reads?

JJJ
LC
Moto

Wheee

Can you talk to me about JJJ? Because I've been tinfoiling him for suspecting me for "muted hunting". LC vibes town but I really can't say why lol. He has an energy that seems in line with the thread.

I've felt JJJ was performative at the start and it's made me very uncomfortable but I also hate pushing JJJ

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:03 pm Thunal still my biggest suspect at this time.

I didn't know I was ever your biggest suspect and I thought your vote was mostly to prod me. Why?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:52 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:42 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:59 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:53 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:43 pm Hi Abi!

On an unrelated note I'm keeping my townlean on Falcon. So many people felt good about his entrance with nobody feeling bad from the start that he's probably threadspewed town.

Actually a little concerning to me how quickly people went from falcon town to "I don't remember why falcon town"

Annoyingly I have zero town reads and many scummy reads so that's fun for the girl who wants to build a town core

That's kind of the opposite of where I am lol. Who are your scummy reads?

JJJ
LC
Moto

Wheee

Can you talk to me about JJJ? Because I've been tinfoiling him for suspecting me for "muted hunting". LC vibes town but I really can't say why lol. He has an energy that seems in line with the thread.

I've felt JJJ was performative at the start and it's made me very uncomfortable but I also hate pushing JJJ

I think him being "performative" is pretty normal especially when he perceives town as having a disadvantage and wants to rally town. His overall approach is what I'd expect if he were town this game but I'm worried he's suspecting me and I'm also worried about his lack of meaningful townreads (especially that he didn't townlean Falcon). His up arrows aren't any easily miskillable people or any people who are being meaningfully suspected right now.

Tbh, I am a little sus of SVS because she's made no comment on my wagon. When I have 2 votes and nobody else has any, I'd expect SVS to want to give me more time like she did last time we were t/t because she thought I'd be an asset to town (I forget the game). Wanting to see more from me is understandable, but I feel like she'd want to look into who's voting me and why.

Btw I'm not actually pushing JJJ here because I think he'll become more readable with time or just get killed n1. If I vote him d1 and he dies and flips town we're losing someone who probably just gets killed early by mafia and/or puts in more effort than anyone else to solve the game. So I'm not going to vote him d1 unless I'm confident which I'm not.

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

I think I've talked myself into voting here. I've been a wagon the whole game somehow and I think SVS might be watching it happen when I think she's objected to it in the past even when she didn't townread me. Her response to my question was decent but I haven't gotten any town pings from her other solving posts.

My other potential vote would be Motobot which is too boring for me to make right now. The "before anyone asks" felt a little bit self conscious but he could very easily go either way.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:19 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:52 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:42 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:59 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:53 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:43 pm Hi Abi!

On an unrelated note I'm keeping my townlean on Falcon. So many people felt good about his entrance with nobody feeling bad from the start that he's probably threadspewed town.

Actually a little concerning to me how quickly people went from falcon town to "I don't remember why falcon town"

Annoyingly I have zero town reads and many scummy reads so that's fun for the girl who wants to build a town core

That's kind of the opposite of where I am lol. Who are your scummy reads?

JJJ
LC
Moto

Wheee

Can you talk to me about JJJ? Because I've been tinfoiling him for suspecting me for "muted hunting". LC vibes town but I really can't say why lol. He has an energy that seems in line with the thread.

I've felt JJJ was performative at the start and it's made me very uncomfortable but I also hate pushing JJJ

I think him being "performative" is pretty normal especially when he perceives town as having a disadvantage and wants to rally town. His overall approach is what I'd expect if he were town this game but I'm worried he's suspecting me and I'm also worried about his lack of meaningful townreads (especially that he didn't townlean Falcon). His up arrows aren't any easily miskillable people or any people who are being meaningfully suspected right now.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:39 pm To be honest, I'm a little surprised you haven't given me positive points for a few things on d1. One being that I was bold enough to enter with an appeal to townread you and then double down on it, another being that I was more relaxed than I would have been as scum, and another being that I interacted with you more than anyone else early by my own choice.

No.

However, my initial half-baked rainbow list had you as moldy green, and that did reflect a real instinct. It's just too soft to mean much. Your posts are mostly fine; I am just struggling to extract feeling from them. I think your posts have felt to me similarly to the way you described S~V~S's posts [a lack of concrete town indicators].

I think the better point in your favor right now may be that I don't know who your teammate is. The entire game minus motobot is already comfortable killing you. If he's not exactly your teammate, that's a problem for Thunal suspicion.

If given the opportunity, I would have been happy to put down $10 grand pre-game on Abigail calling me performative.

I wouldn't vote falcon today. In that sense he can be a "town read". However, that is not based on nearly enough meaningful anything that I am comfortable trying to build a POE pool on that basis.

The game has been highly null to my eyes so far with few exceptions.

Maybe Abigail calling me performative again is a good thing. She absolutely always does so. I'm not sure if she'd have the presence of mind to do so as mafia. I cannot say that with any confidence.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:36 pm I would rather she spend her interacting time doing more than bread puns, instead of dumping thoughts when no one's around. But yeah, saying things is the only way.

Perhaps this is a more pointed criticism of S~V~S than I'd expect from mafia Long Con, since it really invites her to return fire and create unnecessary conflict (for Long Con).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:11 pm If given the opportunity, I would have been happy to put down $10 grand pre-game on Abigail calling me performative.

I don't think I've ever called you performative before xD

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:16 pm I wouldn't vote falcon today. In that sense he can be a "town read". However, that is not based on nearly enough meaningful anything that I am comfortable trying to build a POE pool on that basis.

The game has been highly null to my eyes so far with few exceptions.

Maybe Abigail calling me performative again is a good thing. She absolutely always does so. I'm not sure if she'd have the presence of mind to do so as mafia. I cannot say that with any confidence.

I do?

Wheeee clearly I don't know what I do lol

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:16 pm I wouldn't vote falcon today. In that sense he can be a "town read". However, that is not based on nearly enough meaningful anything that I am comfortable trying to build a POE pool on that basis.

The game has been highly null to my eyes so far with few exceptions.

Maybe Abigail calling me performative again is a good thing. She absolutely always does so. I'm not sure if she'd have the presence of mind to do so as mafia. I cannot say that with any confidence.

I do?

Yes, or some variation of that. Me getting RA RA to make threads move makes you go EEK every game.

I may admittedly be mixing you up with 0Ix in at least one occasion, but I am fairly sure it's happened more than once.

Epignosis - Most believable solving process so far

falcon45ca - Seems on brand for his town norms
Princess Abigail - Has initial reads that strike me as ordinary for her
Long Con - Willing to get his hands a bit dirty in the early goings

Thunal33 - Difficult to pair with the majority of this small roster in viable mafia team theories
Roxy - Critical of Thunal in a way that I believed

S~V~S - Posts are tonally okay, but they inspire little feeling and seem a bit cautious
motobot - No truly readable content to this point

No particular order within tiers. If I had to devise a "POE pool", it'd be the bottom four. I don't think that means anything right now. The thread is too shallow.

Okay Jay's list looks very similar to mine right now so if he's mafia I'd be very off base and I have enough ego to not think I am.

LC and Abi are both in vaguely "feels like town self" boxes but I don't have any concrete reasons to townread them.

I'd have falcon in the middle tier, he's good enough to do what he's done as either alignment. With his eyes closed.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:35 pm I'd have falcon in the middle tier, he's good enough to do what he's done as either alignment. With his eyes closed.

I'm fine with that. It's a bit annoying, because I don't struggle to imagine anyone in this game is mafia as of right now. Even Epignosis could be, and I'd say "sure".

My reads are scraping and forcing.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:32 pm LC and Abi are both in vaguely "feels like town self" boxes but I don't have any concrete reasons to townread them.

This kind of towny because a wolf would be working hard to implicate somebody and Abi and I would be easy choices.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:35 pm I'd have falcon in the middle tier, he's good enough to do what he's done as either alignment. With his eyes closed.

I'm fine with that. It's a bit annoying, because I don't struggle to imagine anyone in this game is mafia as of right now. Even Epignosis could be, and I'd say "sure".

My reads are scraping and forcing.

I wish we had powers. Damn mountainous.

Maybe a good way for us to take the game by the horns and force it to behave in a way that is solvable is to coax a full reads list out of everyone who is willing to provide one.

Even if it isn't fully developed or confident (mine certainly isn't), it's a starting point.

Please do me that favor, friends. I would appreciate it. I don't need explanations unless you want to provide them. Just some kind of ordering is good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:28 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:16 pm I wouldn't vote falcon today. In that sense he can be a "town read". However, that is not based on nearly enough meaningful anything that I am comfortable trying to build a POE pool on that basis.

The game has been highly null to my eyes so far with few exceptions.

Maybe Abigail calling me performative again is a good thing. She absolutely always does so. I'm not sure if she'd have the presence of mind to do so as mafia. I cannot say that with any confidence.

I do?

Yes, or some variation of that. Me getting RA RA to make threads move makes you go EEK every game.

I may admittedly be mixing you up with 0Ix in at least one occasion, but I am fairly sure it's happened more than once.

I feel like mixing me and my girlfriend up is just common tradition these days lol

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:03 pm Thunal still my biggest suspect at this time.

I didn't know I was ever your biggest suspect and I thought your vote was mostly to prod me. Why?

I think you're a top shelf hunter.

Here, you look scared to be in the thread at all.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:38 pm [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

I think I've talked myself into voting here. I've been a wagon the whole game somehow and I think SVS might be watching it happen when I think she's objected to it in the past even when she didn't townread me. Her response to my question was decent but I haven't gotten any town pings from her other solving posts.

All right. I appreciate that take.