Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 7]

[Sloonei]

I have not played an open setup game in years and I usually ask The Thread what it thinks the possible setup could be at a certain point early in the game. I can't do that here

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have not played an open setup game in years and I usually ask The Thread what it thinks the possible setup could be at a certain point early in the game. I can't do that here

you should answer to DDLuffy's comments about you.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm curious too. This Day 0 has been fun, but it's hard to make reads on anyone when almost none of the posts are about the game. It's easier when everyone is accusing each other. I suppose that's what Day 1s are for.

Btw, I think it's very interesting how Jay started talking about making cases right after the second role was handed out. Which is interesting since the game was pretty much a blank state at that point. Though to be fair, he did say he had nothing at that point.

That could indicate an alignment change. If a player who has done nothing gets a new role and suddenly starts being proactive, it might mean a townie who became mafia, or vice-versa. Just a theory.

is there anything that a possible alignment change would say about jay right now tho? ftr i dont think he didnt become more proactive. he did say he was going to post some reads as day 0 ended but nothing happened afaict

for reference, here's the last time he was scum: https://rateyourmusic.com/board_message ... msg5765318 (jay, if you are scum this time please dont murk me on night 1. thx)

Not much, considering we don't know anyone's previous role. Like I said, I was mostly throwing a theory on the wall to see how people would react.

I just found the timing interesting. The host sent the new roles, and suddenly Jay was like "can I start playing seriously on day 0"?

[Tangrowth]

c'mon all y'all. make some posts, and feed this Day 1 with delicious new content. every new player making an appearance allows responses from the rest, and it's exponential growth of content. that's like an economics thing or something right?

I do think it's weird that you tried to start a conversation by saying something you don't actually believe in.

What implications does "weird" have for you? Are you reading civilian, mafia, or neutral on Sloonei? Do you believe his explanation?

I think it's very likely that it's true, and that it could just be a different way of thinking. I've been wrong about players because I didn't agree with their way of hinking so I framed them as scum, when the truth was that they were just different from me.

But I also see the possibility of a scum slip. For example, he might have tried to start a conversation just to make it look like he's talking, and when someone (me) tried to question what he said, he backed down because he isn't really interested in discussing.

That's fair and logical. Thanks!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

until one of the hosts has responded to the queries regarding vote changes in the poll, i will refrain from making any vote in the poll. however, i would like to represent a "vote" in the thread in some manner before that declaration is made. votes are highly important to my Day 1 methods. just like before, if i italicize your username, know that i am voting for you in spirit if not necessarily the poll. i'll underline it too for good measure.

if the hosts declare that the poll vote may be changed then this will no longer be necessary.

Listen, foreigner. Your ways are strange here.

i'm going to build an embassy for my people in the coordinate center of your capital city

[Tangrowth]

until one of the hosts has responded to the queries regarding vote changes in the poll, i will refrain from making any vote in the poll. however, i would like to represent a "vote" in the thread in some manner before that declaration is made. votes are highly important to my Day 1 methods. just like before, if i italicize your username, know that i am voting for you in spirit if not necessarily the poll. i'll underline it too for good measure.

if the hosts declare that the poll vote may be changed then this will no longer be necessary.

Listen, foreigner. Your ways are strange here.

i'm going to build an embassy for my people in the coordinate center of your capital city

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also listening to Skylarking thanks to Jay's 'singing'. :P

Just kidding, it's way better than my singing.

Anyway, it's an amazing album that I haven't listened to in WAY too long.

What Jay's singing? How did I miss that?

[Sloonei]

I do think it's weird that you tried to start a conversation by saying something you don't actually believe in.

What implications does "weird" have for you? Are you reading civilian, mafia, or neutral on Sloonei? Do you believe his explanation?

I think it's very likely that it's true, and that it could just be a different way of thinking. I've been wrong about players because I didn't agree with their way of hinking so I framed them as scum, when the truth was that they were just different from me.

But I also see the possibility of a scum slip. For example, he might have tried to start a conversation just to make it look like he's talking, and when someone (me) tried to question what he said, he backed down because he isn't really interested in discussing.

I had stated my "disinterest" in the idea in the initial post where I brought it up, to be fair. You don't seem committed to either side of the argument in this post. If you had to choose at this moment, which would you say is more likely? That I am just a townie with a different strategy, or a slippin' scummy?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm curious too. This Day 0 has been fun, but it's hard to make reads on anyone when almost none of the posts are about the game. It's easier when everyone is accusing each other. I suppose that's what Day 1s are for.

Btw, I think it's very interesting how Jay started talking about making cases right after the second role was handed out. Which is interesting since the game was pretty much a blank state at that point. Though to be fair, he did say he had nothing at that point.

That could indicate an alignment change. If a player who has done nothing gets a new role and suddenly starts being proactive, it might mean a townie who became mafia, or vice-versa. Just a theory.

is there anything that a possible alignment change would say about jay right now tho? ftr i dont think he didnt become more proactive. he did say he was going to post some reads as day 0 ended but nothing happened afaict

for reference, here's the last time he was scum: https://rateyourmusic.com/board_message ... msg5765318 (jay, if you are scum this time please dont murk me on night 1. thx)

yo sanmateo, do you note any similarities between Me Now and Me Then?

[sanmateo]

I think it's very likely that it's true, and that it could just be a different way of thinking. I've been wrong about players because I didn't agree with their way of hinking so I framed them as scum, when the truth was that they were just different from me.

But I also see the possibility of a scum slip. For example, he might have tried to start a conversation just to make it look like he's talking, and when someone (me) tried to question what he said, he backed down because he isn't really interested in discussing.

sloonei's phrasing did caught my eye but it seems odd that you are going ahead and calling that a possible* scumslip when you just agreed with his method of "want[ing] to make people talk to see if can get someone knocked out of their confort zone"

*possibility of but still. safe-word, bad, scumtell

Not much, considering we don't know anyone's previous role. Like I said, I was mostly throwing a theory on the wall to see how people would react.

I just found the timing interesting. The host sent the new roles, and suddenly Jay was like "can I start playing seriously on day 0"?

good thinking, can we post our previous roles or would that be game-breaking? do we even know if there was any alignment changes?

[Tangrowth]

I do think it's weird that you tried to start a conversation by saying something you don't actually believe in.

What implications does "weird" have for you? Are you reading civilian, mafia, or neutral on Sloonei? Do you believe his explanation?

I think it's very likely that it's true, and that it could just be a different way of thinking. I've been wrong about players because I didn't agree with their way of hinking so I framed them as scum, when the truth was that they were just different from me.

But I also see the possibility of a scum slip. For example, he might have tried to start a conversation just to make it look like he's talking, and when someone (me) tried to question what he said, he backed down because he isn't really interested in discussing.

I had stated my "disinterest" in the idea in the initial post where I brought it up, to be fair. You don't seem committed to either side of the argument in this post. If you had to choose at this moment, which would you say is more likely? That I am just a townie with a different strategy, or a slippin' scummy?

Does the fact that DDL seems committed to neither side give you any feel for his alignment?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also listening to Skylarking thanks to Jay's 'singing'. :P

Just kidding, it's way better than my singing.

Anyway, it's an amazing album that I haven't listened to in WAY too long.

What Jay's singing? How did I miss that?

if i am using this forum correctly, this here's a hyperlink to The Spot

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 83#p142744

[Tangrowth]

good thinking, can we post our previous roles or would that be game-breaking? do we even know if there was any alignment changes?

I am not the hosts, but I think this would be considered rule breaking; if not, it would be bad form, since the game is open setup, and role claiming is a huge no no around here. Just an FYI.

I will definitely not be posting anything regarding my previous role PM and I think it would be a waste of time to even discuss them.

[sanmateo]

I'm curious too. This Day 0 has been fun, but it's hard to make reads on anyone when almost none of the posts are about the game. It's easier when everyone is accusing each other. I suppose that's what Day 1s are for.

Btw, I think it's very interesting how Jay started talking about making cases right after the second role was handed out. Which is interesting since the game was pretty much a blank state at that point. Though to be fair, he did say he had nothing at that point.

That could indicate an alignment change. If a player who has done nothing gets a new role and suddenly starts being proactive, it might mean a townie who became mafia, or vice-versa. Just a theory.

is there anything that a possible alignment change would say about jay right now tho? ftr i dont think he didnt become more proactive. he did say he was going to post some reads as day 0 ended but nothing happened afaict

for reference, here's the last time he was scum: https://rateyourmusic.com/board_message ... msg5765318 (jay, if you are scum this time please dont murk me on night 1. thx)

yo sanmateo, do you note any similarities between Me Now and Me Then?

not that i remember but i was doing the pm thing back then and i wasnt that involved with anything else happening.
i just remembered how INSANELY lucky u got by killing me in that game. poop

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I do think it's weird that you tried to start a conversation by saying something you don't actually believe in.

What implications does "weird" have for you? Are you reading civilian, mafia, or neutral on Sloonei? Do you believe his explanation?

I think it's very likely that it's true, and that it could just be a different way of thinking. I've been wrong about players because I didn't agree with their way of hinking so I framed them as scum, when the truth was that they were just different from me.

But I also see the possibility of a scum slip. For example, he might have tried to start a conversation just to make it look like he's talking, and when someone (me) tried to question what he said, he backed down because he isn't really interested in discussing.

I had stated my "disinterest" in the idea in the initial post where I brought it up, to be fair. You don't seem committed to either side of the argument in this post. If you had to choose at this moment, which would you say is more likely? That I am just a townie with a different strategy, or a slippin' scummy?

A townie with a different strategy. Scum usually doesn't slip that easily unless they're pretty bad.

@sanmateo: It's one thing to want to make people talk, but scum also wants to join conversations to avoid looking like they're hiding. The two things are equally possible.

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

This usually gets me in danger of being lynched on D1, though.

[sanmateo]

good thinking, can we post our previous roles or would that be game-breaking? do we even know if there was any alignment changes?

I am not the hosts, but I think this would be considered rule breaking; if not, it would be bad form, since the game is open setup, and role claiming is a huge no no around here. Just an FYI.

I will definitely not be posting anything regarding my previous role PM and I think it would be a waste of time to even discuss them.

oh i forgot for a second u dont do roleclaiming here, sorry

[Sloonei]

I do think it's weird that you tried to start a conversation by saying something you don't actually believe in.

What implications does "weird" have for you? Are you reading civilian, mafia, or neutral on Sloonei? Do you believe his explanation?

I think it's very likely that it's true, and that it could just be a different way of thinking. I've been wrong about players because I didn't agree with their way of hinking so I framed them as scum, when the truth was that they were just different from me.

But I also see the possibility of a scum slip. For example, he might have tried to start a conversation just to make it look like he's talking, and when someone (me) tried to question what he said, he backed down because he isn't really interested in discussing.

I had stated my "disinterest" in the idea in the initial post where I brought it up, to be fair. You don't seem committed to either side of the argument in this post. If you had to choose at this moment, which would you say is more likely? That I am just a townie with a different strategy, or a slippin' scummy?

Does the fact that DDL seems committed to neither side give you any feel for his alignment?

Not yet. I am committed to neither side of this observation. I see it as equally possible for this to be the behavior of a townie still gathering his thoughts or a scum who's unwilling to make any open commitments this early in the thread.

[Tangrowth]

good thinking, can we post our previous roles or would that be game-breaking? do we even know if there was any alignment changes?

I am not the hosts, but I think this would be considered rule breaking; if not, it would be bad form, since the game is open setup, and role claiming is a huge no no around here. Just an FYI.

I will definitely not be posting anything regarding my previous role PM and I think it would be a waste of time to even discuss them.

oh i forgot for a second u dont do roleclaiming here, sorry

Don't sweat it!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone in the know:

Is it typical for Epignosis to be aware of and introduced to a game (as seen in his initial new-role post) but distinctly quiet while others carry on discussion?

[Tangrowth]

Anyone in the know:

Is it typical for Epignosis to be aware of and introduced to a game (as seen in his initial new-role post) but distinctly quiet while others carry on discussion?

Sometimes. Epi can be active as hell, but during Day 1, I've seen him sit back and watch for a bit before pouncing on someone with an observation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

[Tangrowth]

Epi is certainly almost never a low poster, that's for sure. He's very opinionated.

[Tangrowth]

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

You willing to back this assertion up with a vote?

[sanmateo]

I do think it's weird that you tried to start a conversation by saying something you don't actually believe in.

What implications does "weird" have for you? Are you reading civilian, mafia, or neutral on Sloonei? Do you believe his explanation?

I think it's very likely that it's true, and that it could just be a different way of thinking. I've been wrong about players because I didn't agree with their way of hinking so I framed them as scum, when the truth was that they were just different from me.

But I also see the possibility of a scum slip. For example, he might have tried to start a conversation just to make it look like he's talking, and when someone (me) tried to question what he said, he backed down because he isn't really interested in discussing.

I had stated my "disinterest" in the idea in the initial post where I brought it up, to be fair. You don't seem committed to either side of the argument in this post. If you had to choose at this moment, which would you say is more likely? That I am just a townie with a different strategy, or a slippin' scummy?

A townie with a different strategy. Scum usually doesn't slip that easily unless they're pretty bad.

@sanmateo: It's one thing to want to make people talk, but scum also wants to join conversations to avoid looking like they're hiding. The two things are equally possible.

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

This usually gets me in danger of being lynched on D1, though.

i think townies (except for new-ish players) are most likely to assert whatever their thoughts may be more directly while scum tries to gauge the reactions of others before going after a player. and you have been very tentative in your posts, thats what i was referring to.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

You willing to back this assertion up with a vote?

i can certainly offer a spiritual vote. Dragon D. Luffy

but if my poll vote is final, no i am not willing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

is it possible to see the poll results before having submitted a vote? i see the "view results" button, but i don't wanna click it if it cancels my ability to vote -- it would on an RYM poll.

[Epignosis]

is it possible to see the poll results before having submitted a vote? i see the "view results" button, but i don't wanna click it if it cancels my ability to vote -- it would on an RYM poll.

Stop being a coward!

[Tangrowth]

is it possible to see the poll results before having submitted a vote? i see the "view results" button, but i don't wanna click it if it cancels my ability to vote -- it would on an RYM poll.

It does not cancel your ability to vote; you can click it as many times as you want.

[Sloonei]

is it possible to see the poll results before having submitted a vote? i see the "view results" button, but i don't wanna click it if it cancels my ability to vote -- it would on an RYM poll.

Stop being a coward!

You have cast exactly zero votes in the poll yourself.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

is it possible to see the poll results before having submitted a vote? i see the "view results" button, but i don't wanna click it if it cancels my ability to vote -- it would on an RYM poll.

Stop being a coward!

please share any thought whatsoever that has passed through your mind as you've read the posts in this game since Russ declared the start of Day 1. ideally the thought you share should be ABOUT these posts though -- i understand the mind wanders.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

is it possible to see the poll results before having submitted a vote? i see the "view results" button, but i don't wanna click it if it cancels my ability to vote -- it would on an RYM poll.

It does not cancel your ability to vote; you can click it as many times as you want.

good to know, thanks.

[Tangrowth]

No problem.

And duly noted re: DDL, I'm waiting to commit either way on him (or anyone else for that matter) for the time being, since I'm not yet convinced there's reason to believe he's a baddie.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

Thing is, I don't think any of the active players are scum right now. If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for one of the inactive ones. I only see small possibilities. So I explore them since I don't have anything better. But I don't want to directly call people scum on something that is only a small possibility, at the risk of saying something stupid. When I see someone that looks more scummy than not to me, i'll point it out.

[Tangrowth]

Committing to slight civilian read on DDL. I believe him.

[Sloonei]

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

Thing is, I don't think any of the active players are scum right now. If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for one of the inactive ones. I only see small possibilities. So I explore them since I don't have anything better. But I don't want to directly call people scum on something that is only a small possibility, at the risk of saying something stupid. When I see someone that looks more scummy than not to me, i'll point it out.

Would you feel better about voting for a player who's not posted yet than you would voting for one of us who's been active in the early going? Why/why not?
And when you say you "don't think any of the active players are scum right now", does that mean you have no scum reads yet, or that you are reading us all as town?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

Thing is, I don't think any of the active players are scum right now. If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for one of the inactive ones. I only see small possibilities. So I explore them since I don't have anything better. But I don't want to directly call people scum on something that is only a small possibility, at the risk of saying something stupid. When I see someone that looks more scummy than not to me, i'll point it out.

i can sympathize at least. and i think one of the most effective means of playing Day 1 is to get town reads more than scum reads. but since we're currently stuck with a small core of players doing all the talking, i am going to challenge you with a question:

if just one among those you've communicated with directly in this game already is scum, who is it most likely to be?

[Tangrowth]

I know that sounds contradictory to my last post, but was waiting to hear his response, and I feel like someone needs to start having SOME opinion on someone else. So I said it. Considering a vote for DDL less than everyone else at the moment.

[sanmateo]

Committing to slight civilian read on DDL. I believe him.

why tho?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Committing to slight civilian read on DDL. I believe him.

can you describe what is motivating your slight trust? i don't necessarily disagree. but for you to make this post requires that some point he made or emotion he conveyed resonated with you in a meaningful way. please point to it if you can.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i have to take note that Epignosis is active lurking right now. he is aware of the game, seemingly following the game, and contributing nothing to it. at face value and independent of meta (which i cannot know beyond MP's descriptions), i find that suspicious.

[Tangrowth]

I've been unwilling to commit to an opinion on him all throughout thus far, though many of his posts have been logical and easy for me to relate to, but his most recent response:

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

Thing is, I don't think any of the active players are scum right now. If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for one of the inactive ones. I only see small possibilities. So I explore them since I don't have anything better. But I don't want to directly call people scum on something that is only a small possibility, at the risk of saying something stupid. When I see someone that looks more scummy than not to me, i'll point it out.

Reads genuine to me. It's something I've felt many times before as well as faked, and the wording here does not seem fabricated. I could very well be wrong. But I'm throwing it out there.

[Tangrowth]

i have to take note that Epignosis is active lurking right now. he is aware of the game, seemingly following the game, and contributing nothing to it. at face value and independent of meta (which i cannot know beyond MP's descriptions), i find that suspicious.

Who is more suspicious to you at the moment, Epi or DDL?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i have to take note that Epignosis is active lurking right now. he is aware of the game, seemingly following the game, and contributing nothing to it. at face value and independent of meta (which i cannot know beyond MP's descriptions), i find that suspicious.

Who is more suspicious to you at the moment, Epi or DDL?

Epi. i don't really find DDL especially suspicious. he has made himself available to be pressured and responded to it in a neutral or better way. i don't take immediate issue with his commentary.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

Thing is, I don't think any of the active players are scum right now. If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for one of the inactive ones. I only see small possibilities. So I explore them since I don't have anything better. But I don't want to directly call people scum on something that is only a small possibility, at the risk of saying something stupid. When I see someone that looks more scummy than not to me, i'll point it out.

Would you feel better about voting for a player who's not posted yet than you would voting for one of us who's been active in the early going? Why/why not?
And when you say you "don't think any of the active players are scum right now", does that mean you have no scum reads yet, or that you are reading us all as town?

I think you all (you, MP, and Jay and some other guy whose name I forgot) look like town. In other words, I also have no scumreads.

Thus, if I had to vote now, I'd vote for some of the others, despite the fact I have nearly zero data on any of them. It's a matter of probability, really.

Thank god I don't have to vote now, so I hope the others come and talk so I get more vote candidates.

[sanmateo]

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

Thing is, I don't think any of the active players are scum right now. If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for one of the inactive ones. I only see small possibilities. So I explore them since I don't have anything better. But I don't want to directly call people scum on something that is only a small possibility, at the risk of saying something stupid. When I see someone that looks more scummy than not to me, i'll point it out.

why are you willing to go out on a limb and say everyone here so far is town? because you did mention you thought sloonei could've scum-slipped. so you did point something out but now you're not gonna do that anymore because people mentioned it was suss.

has sloonei done anything to change your mind on what you said was a possibility?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

You people are posting faster than my internet can load your posts.

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

Thing is, I don't think any of the active players are scum right now. If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for one of the inactive ones. I only see small possibilities. So I explore them since I don't have anything better. But I don't want to directly call people scum on something that is only a small possibility, at the risk of saying something stupid. When I see someone that looks more scummy than not to me, i'll point it out.

Would you feel better about voting for a player who's not posted yet than you would voting for one of us who's been active in the early going? Why/why not?
And when you say you "don't think any of the active players are scum right now", does that mean you have no scum reads yet, or that you are reading us all as town?

I think you all (you, MP, and Jay and some other guy whose name I forgot) look like town. In other words, I also have no scumreads.

Thus, if I had to vote now, I'd vote for some of the others, despite the fact I have nearly zero data on any of them. It's a matter of probability, really.

Thank god I don't have to vote now, so I hope the others come and talk so I get more vote candidates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

the game is still very young, so i understand many people simply haven't gotten here to play yet. that's cool. i do hope many of them come soon though before i go to sleep. i love to engage players directly on Day 1 with live communication.

[Sloonei]

And I like to call people scum. Defenses are a great way to get reactions.

you've not called anyone scum. in fact, you've made assertions of scumminess but in each case offered a caveat to relieve the pressure inherent to those assertions.

ergo, you're scum.

Thing is, I don't think any of the active players are scum right now. If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for one of the inactive ones. I only see small possibilities. So I explore them since I don't have anything better. But I don't want to directly call people scum on something that is only a small possibility, at the risk of saying something stupid. When I see someone that looks more scummy than not to me, i'll point it out.

Would you feel better about voting for a player who's not posted yet than you would voting for one of us who's been active in the early going? Why/why not?
And when you say you "don't think any of the active players are scum right now", does that mean you have no scum reads yet, or that you are reading us all as town?

I think you all (you, MP, and Jay and some other guy whose name I forgot) look like town. In other words, I also have no scumreads.

Thus, if I had to vote now, I'd vote for some of the others, despite the fact I have nearly zero data on any of them. It's a matter of probability, really.

Thank god I don't have to vote now, so I hope the others come and talk so I get more vote candidates.

Why do you feel comfortable enough to say that we're all town reads?

[Tangrowth]

i have to take note that Epignosis is active lurking right now. he is aware of the game, seemingly following the game, and contributing nothing to it. at face value and independent of meta (which i cannot know beyond MP's descriptions), i find that suspicious.

Who is more suspicious to you at the moment, Epi or DDL?

Epi. i don't really find DDL especially suspicious. he has made himself available to be pressured and responded to it in a neutral or better way. i don't take immediate issue with his commentary.

Fair enough. I have no opinion on Epi at the moment.

I think if DDL is mafia right now, he's playing a really risky game and is convincingly lying to me, so I'll echo your sentiment there. I do find it curious since you seemed to respond to his earlier post with a phantom vote.

If you want Epi to respond, where's the phantom vote? :P

[Tangrowth]

I think you all (you, MP, and Jay and some other guy whose name I forgot) look like town. In other words, I also have no scumreads.

Thus, if I had to vote now, I'd vote for some of the others, despite the fact I have nearly zero data on any of them. It's a matter of probability, really.

Thank god I don't have to vote now, so I hope the others come and talk so I get more vote candidates.

Why do you feel comfortable enough to say that we're all town reads?

Since when does "look like town" equate to a town read?