The Syndicate

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:The amount of votes for Arkham Asylum is downright alarming.

Why do you say that Zeebs?

In a game called Arkham Mafia where the first post talks about escaping from Arkham...I'm surprised more people aren't voting that way.

That's just it, the escape has already happened. The inmates aren't in Arkham at the moment, they're outside of it. What good is going to come from going there? If anything happens, it will be a trap.

linki - Enrique, you're reminding me of me when I'm bad.

Enrique wrote:

Dom wrote:I don't buy for one second you didn't recognize 8.

I find this post completely ridiculous, seriously. Why should I associate every instance of a single digit number with Lost? I know what the numbers are, but where do they come in here? What is there for you to buy?

Enrique wrote:

Golden wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Golden wrote:@Hosts - what happens if both crime families try to buy off the same cop?

Bass's idea sounds sensible enough, but I'd also point out that everyone from the Asylum appears to be independent. So, it might not help us find the crime families (who seem more analagous to mafia).

But a lot of those independents don't seem exactly friendly.

Independents whom most civvies need dead to win

They do? It doesn't look to me like ANY civilians need the independents dead, to me. Whereas the town definitely needs the crime families dead.

This is literally the first think I noticed when I got my role card, so right back at you.

This post, juliets. It can be interpreted as "we don't need ALL independents [correction: baddies] dead," but look at that last bit. This is literally the first thing I noticed when I got my role card. That's not how it works. All but three civvie roles NEED to kill indies to even win the game. No matter if they can win with the other nine, the fact is that civvies can't win without indie hunting, and he even proposes just hunting the baddies and leaving the rest to luck. What kind of role card even suggests that? Well, there are three civvie options. And fifteen baddie ones.

Enrique wrote:Okay, look. Killing the mafias isn't enough for nearly all the civvies. It is ABSOLUTELY something that we need to pursue, but there's a lot more to the game, and nobody should dismiss the inmates that easily. S~V~S, we can't lynch the mafia and then the inmates, because when the mafia dies the game ENDS. There are three civvies and ten inmates who can possibly win this way. Just think about that.

That is what I've been trying to say and honestly I don't think it's that complicated.

Enrique wrote:Could we discuss Dom's ridiculous spin for a bit? Regardless of whatever Golden meant in that post, and I'm serious, completely disregarding it. Did anybody read that post and think "oh haha they're talking about the Lost numbers!"? S~V~S confirmed that was the case, and if you did think of that then power to you, but that's not how my brain works. Why then would Dom use that against me? It makes zero sense and it just comes off as an opportunistic attempt to get the ball rolling against me.

Dom, you're free to disagree with any of my views, but seriously, dude? Should I look into every usage of a Lost number in this forum and call out people who don't recognize them? I don't understand. I guess my original point was more along the lines of "cops might use numbers to hint at their roles to recruiters," and there's a very small chance that's gonna happen anymore, but don't tell me it wasn't relevant to the conversation then.

TH, that sig then looks pretty normal to me. "Don't lynch me now, at least let me play a bit." I dunno why he didn't respond but it doesn't say anything to me either.

@linki: but what useful info can we get on the scum? This contradicts your whole attitude re: indies before.
@linki2: again, I'm not focusing specifically on the inmates, but exclusive mafia hunting is a terrible idea for anyone who isn't bad.

Enrique wrote:Dom I'm sorry, I will never take that post seriously. It came out of nowhere and it's one of the dumbest things I've ever been accused of. I'll ask again, how many here read that post and thought oooh Lost?

Enrique wrote:Well I kinda butchered those quotes, but at the same time they're legible. I'm being completely transparent. That's what I think, and you're just refusing to understand it.

Dom wrote:I don't buy for one second you didn't recognize 8.

Enrique wrote:

Dom wrote:I don't buy for one second you didn't recognize 8.

I don't know, what was I accused of? I don't understand it either.

@linki: not by sitting back and ending the game prematurely!!!

Enrique wrote:You're not buying, but the deal is I wasn't selling anything. That phrase has all sorts of negative implications, over what? What ARE you saying?

Enrique wrote:Dom I'm sorry, I will never take that post seriously. It came out of nowhere and it's one of the dumbest things I've ever been accused of. I'll ask again, how many here read that post and thought oooh Lost?

Dom wrote:

Enrique wrote:You're not buying, but the deal is I wasn't selling anything. That phrase has all sorts of negative implications, over what? What ARE you saying?

I said that it made me doubt your motives.

Your post did not read as believable to me. It seemed like a desperate jab.


But, please, Enrique, do tell-- what did I accuse you of?

Matt wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:The amount of votes for Arkham Asylum is downright alarming.

Why do you say that Zeebs?

In a game called Arkham Mafia where the first post talks about escaping from Arkham...I'm surprised more people aren't voting that way.

That's just it, the escape has already happened. The inmates aren't in Arkham at the moment, they're outside of it. What good is going to come from going there? If anything happens, it will be a trap.

linki - Enrique, you're reminding me of me when I'm bad.

Hrm. What kind of trap?

If you're assuming that going to Arkham might be a positive for the escapees somehow, then tbh, I'd rather go there now then later in the game.

Why did you pick the Docks?

Turnip Head wrote:

Enrique wrote:Dom I'm sorry, I will never take that post seriously. It came out of nowhere and it's one of the dumbest things I've ever been accused of. I'll ask again, how many here read that post and thought oooh Lost?

I did, but only because I know SVS and Golden.

I think you need to chill out a bit Enri, you're whipping yourself into a panic :P

Enrique wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Enrique wrote:Dom I'm sorry, I will never take that post seriously. It came out of nowhere and it's one of the dumbest things I've ever been accused of. I'll ask again, how many here read that post and thought oooh Lost?

I did, but only because I know SVS and Golden.

I think you need to chill out a bit Enri, you're whipping yourself into a panic :P

I'm not in a panic. I don't see myself as playing defense right now, but rather, refusing to give credibility to nonsensical posts.

linki: but why wouldn't I be genuine? and why would you expect me to understand that in the first place?

Golden wrote:Looks like you are in the clear sig.

I know I say this and then people still sus me anyway but...

I'm GOING to be quieter this game.

I have a plan for the very few games I can sign up for in the coming months. Arkham was not on that plan. I just started a new role at work, and have heaps of other stuff going on in real life, so I need to be very careful with my time.

Enrique wrote:@linki: not by sitting back and ending the game prematurely!!!

Scotty wrote:For those of you that voted to go to the Police Station: any reason? Are you guys just wanting to sit around eating donuts in the break room, or PLANT EXPLOSIVES IN THE INFASTRUCTURE?

'Fraid those are the only reasons I can see.

Dom wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Enrique wrote:Dom I'm sorry, I will never take that post seriously. It came out of nowhere and it's one of the dumbest things I've ever been accused of. I'll ask again, how many here read that post and thought oooh Lost?

I did, but only because I know SVS and Golden.

I think you need to chill out a bit Enri, you're whipping yourself into a panic :P

I'm not in a panic. I don't see myself as playing defense right now, but rather, refusing to give credibility to nonsensical posts.

linki: but why wouldn't I be genuine? and why would you expect me to understand that in the first place?

Am I misunderstanding your post? You were saying you doubt that Golden is police because of what he has said about the inmates, thus you think he is bad. Okay, then you point out a number in the post he makes, thinking it could be a hint.

This did not read as genuine to me given that there was a response between the two of them saying they have a "bond".

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:The amount of votes for Arkham Asylum is downright alarming.

Why do you say that Zeebs?

In a game called Arkham Mafia where the first post talks about escaping from Arkham...I'm surprised more people aren't voting that way.

That's just it, the escape has already happened. The inmates aren't in Arkham at the moment, they're outside of it. What good is going to come from going there? If anything happens, it will be a trap.

linki - Enrique, you're reminding me of me when I'm bad.

Hrm. What kind of trap?

If you're assuming that going to Arkham might be a positive for the escapees somehow, then tbh, I'd rather go there now then later in the game.

Why did you pick the Docks?

Any kind of trap, I didn't design the game. I'm not assuming that going to Arkham will be a positive for the escapees, only that it won't be a positive for the civilians. Is there a reason why I shouldn't have picked the docks?

Enrique wrote:

Dom wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Enrique wrote:Dom I'm sorry, I will never take that post seriously. It came out of nowhere and it's one of the dumbest things I've ever been accused of. I'll ask again, how many here read that post and thought oooh Lost?

I did, but only because I know SVS and Golden.

I think you need to chill out a bit Enri, you're whipping yourself into a panic :P

I'm not in a panic. I don't see myself as playing defense right now, but rather, refusing to give credibility to nonsensical posts.

linki: but why wouldn't I be genuine? and why would you expect me to understand that in the first place?

Am I misunderstanding your post? You were saying you doubt that Golden is police because of what he has said about the inmates, thus you think he is bad. Okay, then you point out a number in the post he makes, thinking it could be a hint.

This did not read as genuine to me given that there was a response between the two of them saying they have a "bond".

That conversation was happening without me. "Is Golden a cop hoping to be recruited?" I said, NO, I don't believe he is. Plus, you can't posture yourself to be recruited. But then I thought, how can you do that? By giving away your number. I went back and I found that. I didn't think it was the case myself, but I was trying to add to the conversation. Not everything I do has to follow an agenda, I care about working with the thread.

You saying "I didn't recognize the number" was super weak, Dom. It makes sense that you didn't but the Golden as a crooked cop thing but that number thing is just silly.

im in the mid of a great linguistics lecture so its taking me a bit to answer but hold on im still here

Matt wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:The amount of votes for Arkham Asylum is downright alarming.

Why do you say that Zeebs?

In a game called Arkham Mafia where the first post talks about escaping from Arkham...I'm surprised more people aren't voting that way.

That's just it, the escape has already happened. The inmates aren't in Arkham at the moment, they're outside of it. What good is going to come from going there? If anything happens, it will be a trap.

linki - Enrique, you're reminding me of me when I'm bad.

Hrm. What kind of trap?

If you're assuming that going to Arkham might be a positive for the escapees somehow, then tbh, I'd rather go there now then later in the game.

Why did you pick the Docks?

Any kind of trap, I didn't design the game. I'm not assuming that going to Arkham will be a positive for the escapees, only that it won't be a positive for the civilians. Is there a reason why I shouldn't have picked the docks?

Did you just answer a question with a question?

Anyway, I see no reason to not go to the Docks. However, given nobody has info on the poll, and you came out of the gate "Let's go to the docks!", I'm just wondering why that option appealed to you more over any of the others. Still wondering.

Golden wrote:

Enrique wrote:@linki: not by sitting back and ending the game prematurely!!!

I was beginning to feel better about you, but this doesnt help. If you are being transparent about your perspective, I really want to understand this.

For instance, what if you are a cop, and your independent is NKed night one, and you don't know about it? How do you earn it from there?

For me, earning this win is about catching the baddies. Catching the baddies isn't 'ending the game prematurely'.

But I will say... as alluded to at the start of this post. I am feeling a bit better about you. But I don't like these offhanded responses. Transparency needs detail about your thought processes. Why do you think pursuing 'independents' will help you find yours, if you were a cop?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Pretty sure that Enrique is acting full-on paranoid; I've been there many times myself in many games, and it's what historically gets me suspicion early on in games. He's already got himself flustered in a fight with Golden, he feels the spotlight is on him as a result, it's still super early in the game so hardly anyone else is being questioned, so Dom questioning his motives over something that he feels he couldn't possibly have discerned originally (the number 8 being a LOST reference) makes him feel like the votes will just start flooding in against him after Dom continues to push his lynch. It's classic overparanoia.

Alignment indicative? Not for me. I've felt this as everyone alignment, personally, and Day 1 is historically the most tension-filled aspect of the game for me -- very exciting until I start to receive negative attention, and then it can spiral into what feels like an uphill battle for survival. I'm consciously trying to avoid this condition going forward, but felt I should comment on this because Enrique is exhibiting this to a T.

That's just my interpretation, anyway, feel free to disagree with it or point out to me why you think I might be wrong, anyone.

a2thezebra wrote:I agree that Enrique's paranoia isn't alignment-indicative, but it's not his paranoia that bothers me.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Pretty sure that Enrique is acting full-on paranoid; I've been there many times myself in many games, and it's what historically gets me suspicion early on in games. He's already got himself flustered in a fight with Golden, he feels the spotlight is on him as a result, it's still super early in the game so hardly anyone else is being questioned, so Dom questioning his motives over something that he feels he couldn't possibly have discerned originally (the number 8 being a LOST reference) makes him feel like the votes will just start flooding in against him after Dom continues to push his lynch. It's classic overparanoia.

Alignment indicative? Not for me. I've felt this as everyone alignment, personally, and Day 1 is historically the most tension-filled aspect of the game for me -- very exciting until I start to receive negative attention, and then it can spiral into what feels like an uphill battle for survival. I'm consciously trying to avoid this condition going forward, but felt I should comment on this because Enrique is exhibiting this to a T.

That's just my interpretation, anyway, feel free to disagree with it or point out to me why you think I might be wrong, anyone.

MP, do you think if I pushed for Enrique's lynch votes would flood in for him?

a2thezebra wrote:I agree that Enrique's paranoia isn't alignment-indicative, but it's not his paranoia that bothers me.

Enrique wrote:

Golden wrote:

Enrique wrote:@linki: not by sitting back and ending the game prematurely!!!

I was beginning to feel better about you, but this doesnt help. If you are being transparent about your perspective, I really want to understand this.

For instance, what if you are a cop, and your independent is NKed night one, and you don't know about it? How do you earn it from there?

For me, earning this win is about catching the baddies. Catching the baddies isn't 'ending the game prematurely'.

But I will say... as alluded to at the start of this post. I am feeling a bit better about you. But I don't like these offhanded responses. Transparency needs detail about your thought processes. Why do you think pursuing 'independents' will help you find yours, if you were a cop?

I think I've laid it out before. You call them indies, I call them baddies. They're a little more than non-friends, they're enemies. I don't want the game to end when I can't win, and I'm sure most of the town will agree. I have never opposed scum hunt, that's just silly, but so is opposing the so-called indie hunt. They're all bad.

It's ending prematurely if I'm not winning. It's not just me, it's the majority of the town. We play to win, not to get two teams.

@linki: okay you know what i dont get it either. you're not buying it, you don't think i'm genuine. why? what do you think i was doing and what for?

linki2: no i dont even feel that way, thats the thing. im trying to make a point, it has nothing to do with me

Turnip Head wrote:I think it's fair of Enrique to say you accused him, Dom. You essentially accused him of lying by not being genuine about the number thing. Maybe your intention was to simply question him on it rather than accuse him or build a case, but I can see how he perceived it as an accusation. I don't think it speaks badly of either of you, though.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Pretty sure that Enrique is acting full-on paranoid; I've been there many times myself in many games, and it's what historically gets me suspicion early on in games. He's already got himself flustered in a fight with Golden, he feels the spotlight is on him as a result, it's still super early in the game so hardly anyone else is being questioned, so Dom questioning his motives over something that he feels he couldn't possibly have discerned originally (the number 8 being a LOST reference) makes him feel like the votes will just start flooding in against him after Dom continues to push his lynch. It's classic overparanoia.

Alignment indicative? Not for me. I've felt this as everyone alignment, personally, and Day 1 is historically the most tension-filled aspect of the game for me -- very exciting until I start to receive negative attention, and then it can spiral into what feels like an uphill battle for survival. I'm consciously trying to avoid this condition going forward, but felt I should comment on this because Enrique is exhibiting this to a T.

That's just my interpretation, anyway, feel free to disagree with it or point out to me why you think I might be wrong, anyone.

MP, do you think if I pushed for Enrique's lynch votes would flood in for him?

I don't personally feel that way, but I know I've jumped to that irrational feeling many times before when someone suspects me early in the game, particularly if I'm posting as much as or more than almost everyone else and there's not any other major events occurring.

Enrique wrote:you can just answer dommmm

I swear I'm just trying to play. I've been very irritable lately, but that's not what's happening here, I am legitimately trying to get a point across and that's not gonna happen if nobody lays anything down.

Enrique wrote:you can just answer dommmm

I swear I'm just trying to play. I've been very irritable lately, but that's not what's happening here, I am legitimately trying to get a point across and that's not gonna happen if nobody lays anything down.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I agree with Enrique. I don't think any of the cops are going to want the game to end if there win condition isn't met.

Enrique wrote:you can just answer dommmm

I swear I'm just trying to play. I've been very irritable lately, but that's not what's happening here, I am legitimately trying to get a point across and that's not gonna happen if nobody lays anything down.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I agree that Enrique's paranoia isn't alignment-indicative, but it's not his paranoia that bothers me.

Elaborate if you don't mind.

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm gonna be sad if I'm the only one going to Mooney's

Dom wrote:I can potentially get that, but I don't like that you are framing it this way and he isn't. He has yet to make this point himself despite me asking multiple times.

Turnip Head wrote:

Dom wrote:I can potentially get that, but I don't like that you are framing it this way and he isn't. He has yet to make this point himself despite me asking multiple times.

Sorry Dom, I just got the feeling he was having trouble expressing himself and I feel pretty good about him, so I understand that it would mean more coming from him, I'll try to let him speak for himself.

Matt wrote:Zeebs - Strong or not, can you give me your current read of each of the Arkham voters? Considering the votes for Arkham are "downright alarming", just wondering.

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt wrote:Zeebs - Strong or not, can you give me your current read of each of the Arkham voters? Considering the votes for Arkham are "downright alarming", just wondering.

Bass_the_Clever - Null
ekeknat - Null
sprityo - Null
Matt - Bad
Scotty - Null
MovingPictures07 - Null
Nerolunar - Null