The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:08 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:05 pm I am now convinced that everyone is fucking with me and the objective is to drive me nuts.
I think it's more that I'm doing this and everyone's inner pedant has to agree because I'm right.

I, for one, think I'd feel a lot better about this whole mess if you took every townread on your list and summarized the strongest reason you have to eliminate townread them. Because right now it feels like that reason is "They've been making a lot of posts in this game and haven't pinged me" based on the POE list.

Oh no, not operation trustfall too.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:12 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:05 pm I am now convinced that everyone is fucking with me and the objective is to drive me nuts.
I think it's more that I'm doing this and everyone's inner pedant has to agree because I'm right.

I, for one, think I'd feel a lot better about this whole mess if you took every townread on your list and summarized the strongest reason you have to eliminate townread them. Because right now it feels like that reason is "They've been making a lot of posts in this game and haven't pinged me" based on the POE list.
Oh no, not operation trustfall too.

Ooh, what's wrong with this one?

If JJJ is going to stick with this thing, I'd at least like to know know why he townreads people. Just the townreads. I don't need him to trustfall me.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:18 pm**

I just have an irrational hatred of it, not any actual strategic argument against it lol.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:22 pm**

Let’s play gth

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:23 pm**

Quick before Jay dies and can’t make graphs.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:26 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:22 pm Let’s play gth

I can do this.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:28 pm**

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:46 pm That was a lovely summary, Jay

I'd like to hear more from you. I always think you are civ b/c of your tone, but I am starting to wonder here. Who do you think is bad? What are your thoughts on the game so far?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:55 pm Wait what.. When did Niju actually vote for Nutella? If Mac had a few more votes, than what are we even talking about?

RIGHT. Niju couldn't have saved Mac with her vote and it's not like she tried to get others to swith off mac and vote with her. She was just being a lazy civ imo.

posting now...still catching up...

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:38 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:28 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:46 pm That was a lovely summary, Jay
I'd like to hear more from you. I always think you are civ b/c of your tone, but I am starting to wonder here. Who do you think is bad? What are your thoughts on the game so far?

I'm not really as focused on the game as I should be to throw out a POE for you. I'll get to it soon though.
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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:55 pm Wait what.. When did Niju actually vote for Nutella? If Mac had a few more votes, than what are we even talking about?
RIGHT. Niju couldn't have saved Mac with her vote and it's not like she tried to get others to swith off mac and vote with her. She was just being a lazy civ imo.

posting now...still catching up...

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:39 pm**

repost, because that looked messy:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:28 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:46 pm That was a lovely summary, Jay
I'd like to hear more from you. I always think you are civ b/c of your tone, but I am starting to wonder here. Who do you think is bad? What are your thoughts on the game so far?

I'm not really as focused on the game as I should be to throw out a POE for you. I'll get to it soon though.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:28 pm
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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:55 pm Wait what.. When did Niju actually vote for Nutella? If Mac had a few more votes, than what are we even talking about?
RIGHT. Niju couldn't have saved Mac with her vote and it's not like she tried to get others to swith off mac and vote with her. She was just being a lazy civ imo.

posting now...still catching up...

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:45 pm**

[mention]Elohcin[/mention], i don't know any of your scum reads. change that.

i dont have time to go through the rest of ddl, but i have no idea how jay put him in dark green. he's not clear for me.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:57 pm**

look at nova, ddl, speedchuck, elohcin, lunalee and kites from the alive and kicking team. top three would be nova, ddl, and kites as of tonight.

look at niju, leetic, long con and neverwhere from the here but not here team but don't focus on these guys. the scum team can have at least 3 more and possibly 4 more. there's no way they're all inactives. from these 4, unpopular opinion but i'd start with leetic tbh. gut thing. hey, i did get it right last game he was bad.

as of tonight, i feel best about nutella, juliets, daisy, jack, matahari and reluctantly jay.

i feel like reywas should be modkilled if not replaced d2 so we don't waste time thinking about him. i might even include neverwhere there (sorry ily). trim the fat so we don't waste our poes on people with a couple of posts or waste our days lynching people we have 0 info to gleam from them beyond what mafia trails leave behind.

good luck in case i die. don't let the momentum slow down. and please don't stop asking questions or afraid of going against the flow if you feel like the flow ain't going the right way.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:06 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:45 pm Elohcin, i don't know any of your scum reads. change that.

i dont have time to go through the rest of ddl, but i have no idea how jay put him in dark green. he's not clear for me.

this post is for Jay too as I told him I would tell him...

I know I fought for her in the beginning, but Luna has become one of my top suspects. She isn't acting like her civ self. Also, Kites. I don't know this person well, but his posts seem odd. Then there is Mata. I think this person could be bad. The whole building connections thing but will not tell us, that was weird. His "helpfulness" doesn't seem so helpful.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:09 pm**

Mata is a lady and I think her weird stuff (which she did actually elaborate on later) was a very civ look.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:10 pm**

I'm curious what you think Luna's civ self should look like and what you saw that made you change your mind on her. [mention]Elohcin[/mention]

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:12 pm**

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] could you be more specific on what looks odd about kites posts? I'm taking another look at him now.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:21 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:10 pm I'm curious what you think Luna's civ self should look like and what you saw that made you change your mind on her. Elohcin

Luna always has such a sweet demeanor, very kind tone. And I feel like I always give her the benefit of the doubt for this. But this time....she is almost too sweet. Like....trying to cover up something.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:12 pm Elohcin could you be more specific on what looks odd about kites posts? I'm taking another look at him now.

I see an immaturity in his posts. Like he is trying to make it LOOK like he is trying.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:25 pm**

Donald Fagen and Walter Becker looked at Night 1.

Their verdict?

Do it again.

nutella has been cut.

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It is now Night 2. You have 24 hours to submit your PMs (again). The double targeting rule applies.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:28 pm**

Dang, that was a cool role. RIP nutella, I hate having you out of the game this early.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:31 pm**

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] thanks for the insight on kites and Luna.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:36 pm**

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:39 pm**

Bleh. Now the POE math is messed up too.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:45 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am I do think nova is a civ tho.

DDL, do you still feel this way? And what was the reason for you saying that way back then?

I think calling for back to back nights is a sign of fear from a mafia that has lost one and feels like another is going down soon. What I think could be wrong, but I think it anyway.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:54 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:21 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:12 pm Elohcin could you be more specific on what looks odd about kites posts? I'm taking another look at him now.
I see an immaturity in his posts. Like he is trying to make it LOOK like he is trying.

immature? sure, I agree. I am also trying... to keep up with this game, to be at least somewhat useful. It’s a struggle every game

my Mac vote looks bad now I guess. i just followed the events because I wasn’t sure about nutella and I didn’t like lynching Mac because he wasn’t here. I did some reading and the part where he said my big post was ”gold” felt incredibly fake. I admit the big post was kind of half assed collection of thoughts, I just skimmed the posts real quick. i didn’t the feel the post was particularly good so that strong positive reaction to it felt weird, enough to choose him over nutella. And yes I could have chosen someone else aside from these two but I didn’t feel there was time for that

now to sleep zzz

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:55 pm**

also shouldn’t the poll be up cos it’s day 2, not night 2

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:18 pm**

Kites wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:55 pm also shouldn’t the poll be up cos it’s day 2, not night 2

It is Night 2. See the Night Results post.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:24 pm**

So it looks to me like nutella's leading candidate for lynch for day 2 was Luna.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:36 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:24 pm
Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:54 am Happy Easter! Looking forward to playing with you all.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:03 am It seems I am unable to post in the poll.
Neverwhere's first two posts are a bit stiff.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:30 am Sorry, starting a game Easter weekend was never going to go well for me. I've not been home for like 2 days. Finally got time to catch up and theres 15 pages D: I got through four before realising I was going to be late for physio. I'll be back this afternoon to try and contribute/catch up properly. Apologies all!
I can't blame 'em for struggling to keep up. Arriving to a game like this after it has already exploded is a daunting thing. The remorse at least looks authentic, though I can't say that's something alignment-specific.

And there's double that now... *sobs*

Shit mah dudes, sorry, last week of easter break for the kiddo and we're barely home right now. Catching up now.

Congrats on day one lynch!

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:10 pm**

Okay I read like 6 pages and Its after midnight. I'm not going to be reading much further back because realistically I don't think I'll have time if I want to keep on top of new content.

JJJ reading greenish

Dunya I'm reading green

I'm not sure I understand elohs upset, so that gives me pause.

I want to go back and do some proper readings tomorrow on DDL and Njk...however you spell that one. I saw the two of them mentioned multiple times and want my own opinions.

I don't understand JJJs jump on me at the end of day 1. Out of all the inactives picking me seemed random as heck.

I will be around more after tomorrow hopefully.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:13 pm**

Kites wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:54 pm my Mac vote looks bad now I guess.

looks fine to me

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:53 pm**

[mention]dunya[/mention] would you share what you are seeing from kites?

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:36 pm**

Repeat night is lame. I'm going to be working on my thesis.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:36 pm**

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:10 pm Okay I read like 6 pages and Its after midnight. I'm not going to be reading much further back because realistically I don't think I'll have time if I want to keep on top of new content.

I provided a run-down of the game for leetic, so you might as well use it too if you want to.

Click here

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:09 pm**

I'm like 10 pages behind, not sure when I'll catch up since this week's pretty busy. Strongly considering skipping all post-Mac lynch content.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:21 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:09 pm I'm like 10 pages behind, not sure when I'll catch up since this week's pretty busy. Strongly considering skipping all post-Mac lynch content.

You should at least read Jay’s and Eloh’s Posts.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:34 pm**

RIP nutella. I will try to devote some time on this second night to a little reread and analysis.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:47 pm**

Things I’d like to know, but think it’s against rules to ask:

So far the roles we’ve seen have a Steely Dan song title. I’m trying to figure out which song titles match the current role claims.

Posted: **Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:58 pm**

Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:41 pm But really though how can niju not be bad
Cause Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac has a nicer ring to it.

Niju only makes sense with Juliets like Ninjuliets and that’s a better hydra name anyhow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:22 pm MacDougall and Jackofhearts2005

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?
What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.
This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.
I felt quite the opposite to this Jack. It's a perfectly natural reaction from DDL to Jay spew.

Mac gave Jack shit about his DDL read. This doesn't mean much to me.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:57 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:21 pm Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.
I'd like to hear more about your Jay and Jack suspicions.

Generic prod about Jack and I. This doesn't mean much to me.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?
What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.
This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.
Looping back around on this one I questioned before, I got the distinctly opposite impression from reading that DDL post. It's exactly how I would have felt. Don't like that we're not on the same page in this game Jack. My face has scrunched up in confusion from several of your posts.

Mac brought this out again. He's clearly shading Jack. It isn't substantial pressure. I'm not moved.

Mac sticks Jack in the red pile in his rainbow -- this seems extreme given the soft accusations preceding it. I think Mac felt like he needed another red and just figured Jack was the best fit. That's decent for Jack. Mac griped about anime gifs too as if that matters.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:18 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:06 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:04 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?
Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?
OOOOooof sPiCy

Any major dude will tell you
Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?
I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

Jack thinks juliets/Mac is spicy but doesn't necessarily agree with it.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:31 pm We weren’t talking about Juliets. We were talking about Nutella’s reaction to Nova talking about Juliets.
I'm talking about how other people view a dialogue, not its literal nature. There's often a stark difference.
And I’m talking about Daisy being sensitive to discussion about Juliets to the point where she’s scumreading stuff that isn’t even about Juliets, stuff that is explicitly as much about Mac and she didn’t even mention Mac.

Jack is cranky that Spacedaisy didn't mention Mac and ties that into his theory about her and juliets. I think Mac is an incidental piece here and not meaningful. There's a bunch of other shit about this that I am not going to include.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:20 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?
What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.
This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.
Looping back around on this one I questioned before, I got the distinctly opposite impression from reading that DDL post. It's exactly how I would have felt. Don't like that we're not on the same page in this game Jack. My face has scrunched up in confusion from several of your posts.
If it makes you feel better, I’ve liked most of DDL’s posts since then.

Jack's response to Mac's gripe was weak, so it's a soft exchange on both sides. That's not my favorite thing. More

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:31 am
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:30 am [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

why would town mac give dunya an easy day green pass just because she hasn't said something "scummy"? other people have found things scummy in what i've said. i don't feel you're being genuine and the sarcasm on me was lost.

i'm not even here to play my hardest civ game, so don't tell me my "civ" is shining through. explain what gave you good vibes about me or this becomes as bad as elohcin's "green" to luna that everyone took issue with imo.
“Mac’s not getting lynched today.”

Oh?

Jack questions whether one of my beefs with Mac is spicy -- okay

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:18 pm The reason I ask is this:

When there is a highly active Day 1, and a variety of reads/wagons/initiatives are revolving around the discussion without a good inspiration for confidence (I think we're close to that now), lynching a less-active player is usually a good idea. As it stands my strongest suspicion is on MacDougall. I acknowledge that it isn't rock solid shite, but I haven't seen a single rock solid case in this thread yet. Refer to the last 25% of the video in my signature for more information.
Are you classifying Mac as less active?

This is a bit defensive implicitly.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:24 pm Go on and vote Mac, Daisy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:27 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:25 pm I have not felt Mac was bad. Like at all. I’d be more inclined to vote nutella, but I don’t see good reason for that either except for jumping on nova’s joke which I didn’t think she was serious about originally.
*scribbles aggressively*

This might be a nice moment. I don't care much that Jack challenged Daisy to vote Mac specifically, but rather that it seems to me that Jack's focus genuinely is on Daisy -- this would indicate he isn't as concerned with Mac's demise as he is with Daisy's activity (not the case if he's Mac's teammate).

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:43 pm Last chance for me: who will vote Neverwhere?
Over Mac and Nutella? Yeah.

I don't really care that Jack moved his vote with me here. It was never likely to result in a lynch; it was a last-second why-not thing.

~~~

Conclusion: It's a dirty record at times with Jack. It seems like it always is. He plays in a manner which inherently attracts dirt, to his credit. He should answer to the gripes that exist here. Gun to my head, he's not Mac's teammate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:42 pm MacDougall and juliets

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:42 pm I am trying to make heads or tails of this mac juliets weirdness and nope.

If the weirdness was true I'd expect more dissociative effort than this.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:39 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:09 pm Mac, any reads you have to share would be appreciated.

k

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:44 am I like juliets. I feel like she is involved more so than usual. I am not entirely sure why that would be but I don't think it is in a bad way and I don't really want to discourage it. I'd give her a light green skittle (if I had skittles to give).

This read was more transparently fake, because it was based on a non-existent observation -- that juliets was "more involved than usual". I think Mac had established an agenda for pocketing in this game, so this could be another example. I can't say I care for the overt fakeness though.

The read was only worth a light green in the rainbow list. Fart.

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juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

SPICY.

I don't care about this.

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juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:27 pm Jay, what is the reason you think Mac hasn't given a definitive read on you? I'm trying to see how that makes him potentially bad.

lots of linki

juliets sought better understanding of my suspicion of Mac. I have no beef with that.

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juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:46 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:42 pm What isn't genuine about his civilian reads? The DDL one was something prompted from their interactions, and felt like natural conversation especially considering its context (The Firefly game).
He wrote a novella to explain why he read DDL as a civilian. I don't believe that was necessary, and I don't believe that's how MacDougall operates. He was similar in his handling of dunya. He technically called me light green, but I haven't the faintest idea why -- his read on me doesn't exist. He said he liked juliets because she is "more involved than usual" (no she isn't?). He loved Kites for his big reads post, which is such an easy thing to say.

Bleh.
Ok here's what I see. I initially liked his posts about DDL and I really liked his reads wall (even tho I didn't agree with everything) because he was explaining why he had the reads he did. Looking back over it though what strikes me is he never does this. He usually just throws out reads with no backup whatsoever and when people question him he ignores it or responds negatively. But is this indicative of a bad Mac or just a style change? I need to look at a bad Mac game, anyone know a recent one?

lots of linki

This post follows a rather typical formula that is sometimes ugly:

I liked _____ before, but now I will say something in support of your suspicion of _____

At face value I don't care for that. I do appreciate though that juliets's gripe was unique to her: that Mac's reads list was plain off-meta regardless of authenticity.

~~~

Conclusion: I think a case can be made against juliets. I don't really want to though. I don't struggle to separate her from Mac and the claim remains (I believe her).

So does Jack have a big enough ego to post his team out in the open to laugh away the WIFOM, or does Jack try to plant a seed for deception with an attempt to drag down two well-regarded non-baddies? 'Cuz Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac looks believable based on my initial musings, but what would further research show? Did JJJ trigger juliets' stump claim? If so, was that part of a cool plan?

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:37 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:58 pm Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.

Please clarify this for me. How do we know Jack is bad? Did I miss something? Or are you just saying what you feel certain about?

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:13 am**

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:18 pm
Kites wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:55 pm also shouldn’t the poll be up cos it’s day 2, not night 2
It is Night 2. See the Night Results post.

night 2 after night 1? we skipped day 2? is no one else confused by this

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:18 am**

nevermind I’m a dumbass, carry on
I didn’t see the dark red text

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:41 am**

This reminds me of the Mega Man game lol.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:43 am**

Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:45 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am I do think nova is a civ tho.
DDL, do you still feel this way? And what was the reason for you saying that way back then?

I think calling for back to back nights is a sign of fear from a mafia that has lost one and feels like another is going down soon. What I think could be wrong, but I think it anyway.

What prompted you to quote this post?

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:44 am**

Neverwhere is bad

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:52 am**

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:43 am
Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:45 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am I do think nova is a civ tho.
DDL, do you still feel this way? And what was the reason for you saying that way back then?

I think calling for back to back nights is a sign of fear from a mafia that has lost one and feels like another is going down soon. What I think could be wrong, but I think it anyway.
What prompted you to quote this post?

Because I wonder why he said that, so early in the game. Was he just shooting the shit to kill time, was he familiar with your play style, was he trying to sound town? I just wonder why someone would say that without saying why. If he was serious, it seems bogus on his part.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:58 am**

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:52 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:43 am
Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:45 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am I do think nova is a civ tho.
DDL, do you still feel this way? And what was the reason for you saying that way back then?

I think calling for back to back nights is a sign of fear from a mafia that has lost one and feels like another is going down soon. What I think could be wrong, but I think it anyway.
What prompted you to quote this post?
Because I wonder why he said that, so early in the game. Was he just shooting the shit to kill time, was he familiar with your play style, was he trying to sound town? I just wonder why someone would say that without saying why. If he was serious, it seems bogus on his part.

Oh, who else are you looking at as well?

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:59 am**

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:13 am
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:18 pm
Kites wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:55 pm also shouldn’t the poll be up cos it’s day 2, not night 2
It is Night 2. See the Night Results post.
night 2 after night 1? we skipped day 2? is no one else confused by this

Townslip?

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:01 am**

The cynic in me has his hat on.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:14 am**

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] Occam’s razor list:
Luna, Niju, Elohcin.
I am trying to reread most everyone so I might come up with different suspects by tomorrow afternoon.

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:42 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:44 pm I've seen fake character claims. I don't remember any fake role claims. If it happened in Fire Emblem I have no memory.

I hosted that a month ago.

Not here though

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:12 am**

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:37 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:58 pm Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.
Please clarify this for me. How do we know Jack is bad? Did I miss something? Or are you just saying what you feel certain about?

The water turned to cherry wine. Two nights. That means Jack is bad.

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