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[mention]Long Con[/mention] talk about your self-vote for us.

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:33 pm Long Con was the competing wagon to leetic. They ended up tied. Nobody sprang to save him. What does this mean? I can go either way on it.

What do you think it means?

Listen punk, I'm the one who asks questions here!

I am of two minds.
Scenario 1) The mafia team had no preference over who was lynched and was content to let two civilians face the coin flip of destiny. I've never seen a tie where things were so stagnant. Long Con's self-vote made it 4 to 4 several minutes ahead of the deadline, and then nobody else moved. Lots of people were around, but the leetic camp was entrenched on leetic, and the LC camp was entrenched on LC (and the TH/non-committed camp was farting around like losers). Mafia members have no reason to stick their necks out to determine one lynch or another when either one will do just fine.

Scenario 2) Long Con is mafia. This one comes with a couple other variables, none of which I'd bank on.

• 2.1) Long Con is mafia, his self-vote put his partners in a very awkward position wherein they need to leap to save him. Long Con is an experienced and adept mafia player. He knows better than to do that to his partners.

• 2.2) Long Con is mafia, but his team possesses some sort of mechanic which would have prevented him from being lynched yesterday (maybe they control a tiebreaker, maybe they have a member with a vote addition/subtraction power, etc.). This is baseless speculation. I cannot assert it with any confidence.

Scenario 3, I guess, is that no mafia members were present at the end of the day with the potential exception of Long Con. Why he'd endanger himself like that, I cannot say.

I have more confidence in scenario 1 than anything else.

What is your analysis of the nightkill?

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:52 pm What is your analysis of the nightkill?

Drago was the most obvious civilian in the game.

Nightkill analysis is not my strengh. I'm open to theories if anyone's into that, but at this stage in the game I don't know how far it's going to get us.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:56 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:52 pm What is your analysis of the nightkill?

Drago was the most obvious civilian in the game.

Nightkill analysis is not my strengh. I'm open to theories if anyone's into that, but at this stage in the game I don't know how far it's going to get us.

I could dig through their iso for potential PR softs, but I do not think that would be fruitful. I think the wolf team must have agreed with your read of Drago.

leetic [4]: Sloonei, Master Radishes, tedxtr, TonyStarkPrime
Long Con [4]: Funnygurl, Long Con, MacDougall, ts account
tedxtr [3]: Epignosis, leetic, Turnip Head
Turnip Head [1]: speedchuck
Abstaining [1]: Dragomir

One thought that comes to mind is that players who did not express confident reasons for their votes might be worth looking into. Those of us who were firmly committed to our respective cases (ts account, ted and leetic respectively) have every reason to remain in place as the deadline approaches and this tight poll persists. We all think we're making the right decision. But players who weren't firmly committed to their votes but remained in place despite being active at the deadline are suspect for remaining in place.
Funnygurl, Master Radishes, Tony, and Turnip Head stand out. I have not looked back to refresh myself on who was or was not here at the time, so maybe some of these would be absolved of this particular crime. I'm pretty sure I remember funnygurl being present, at aleast.

Epi was pretty firm on ted, so I'm not eyeing him in this instance, but he's suspicious for other reasons. I'm pretty sure speedchuck was absent. He's also suspicious for other reasons.

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:56 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:52 pm What is your analysis of the nightkill?

Drago was the most obvious civilian in the game.

Nightkill analysis is not my strengh. I'm open to theories if anyone's into that, but at this stage in the game I don't know how far it's going to get us.

I could dig through their iso for potential PR softs, but I do not think that would be fruitful. I think the wolf team must have agreed with your read of Drago.

i feel a little bad for voicing it so loudly now.

What is your general impression of that lynch now that we've had 24 hours to stew in it?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:53 pm This kind of defeatism always ends in a civilian lynch

[VOTE: turnip head] aubergine for letting defeated civilian Long Con teeter on the edge while sitting on a lame ted wagon.

funnygurl and master radishes both dipped out shortly before LC's self-vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.

I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:12 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.

I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.

No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:12 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.

I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.

No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?

Bad mood.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:56 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:52 pm What is your analysis of the nightkill?

Drago was the most obvious civilian in the game.

Nightkill analysis is not my strengh. I'm open to theories if anyone's into that, but at this stage in the game I don't know how far it's going to get us.

You have more motive to kill him than anyone imo. You had already stated you had a lock town read on him so your only avenue of removal becomes NK. Tell me if you had the mafia NK who you'd have killed?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:12 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.

I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.

No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?

Bad mood.

If yours was the only vote that counted yesterday, where would it have gone?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:56 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:52 pm What is your analysis of the nightkill?

Drago was the most obvious civilian in the game.

Nightkill analysis is not my strengh. I'm open to theories if anyone's into that, but at this stage in the game I don't know how far it's going to get us.

You have more motive to kill him than anyone imo. You had already stated you had a lock town read on him so your only avenue of removal becomes NK. Tell me if you had the mafia NK who you'd have killed?

No idea. You, maybe. I would have also had Drago nestled tightly in my pocket.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:02 am i feel a little bad for voicing it so loudly now.

What is your general impression of that lynch now that we've had 24 hours to stew in it?

If somebody self votes, they should just always be the lynch. For anyone who is vaguely aware of leetic they were safely within their town meta anyway. I still think Long Con should die even if they are overwhelmingly likely to just be town with how things stacked up.

Feels like LC knew he would survive, or else why do that? The lynch was almost over

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:18 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:12 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.

I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.

No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?

Bad mood.

If yours was the only vote that counted yesterday, where would it have gone?

Probably Drago or Mac.

nah man lc has to be town here 'cause of that self vote that i didn't notice lmfao

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:18 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:12 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.

I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.

No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?

Bad mood.

If yours was the only vote that counted yesterday, where would it have gone?

Probably Drago or Mac.

Why?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:24 am nah man lc has to be town here 'cause of that self vote that i didn't notice lmfao

Why?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:25 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:18 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:12 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.

I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.

No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?

Bad mood.

If yours was the only vote that counted yesterday, where would it have gone?

Probably Drago or Mac.

Why?

They were upsetting me the most.

think about it: if you had a team and you had a pretty good shot of lasting the phase BUT YOU VOTED YOURSELF how would your team feel?

idk man there'd be rage, RAGE. wolves have more of a responsibility to live.

ok yeah i guess wolves could self vote at eod like that but if you do that then you're just bad. and like i don't like to call ppl bad, but like if you do that as a wolf then you deserve it

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:25 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:18 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:12 am

I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.

No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?

Bad mood.

If yours was the only vote that counted yesterday, where would it have gone?

Probably Drago or Mac.

Why?

They were upsetting me the most.

But they don’t have votes in this exercise.

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:02 am i feel a little bad for voicing it so loudly now.

What is your general impression of that lynch now that we've had 24 hours to stew in it?

If somebody self votes, they should just always be the lynch. For anyone who is vaguely aware of leetic they were safely within their town meta anyway. I still think Long Con should die even if they are overwhelmingly likely to just be town with how things stacked up.

I don't recall you pushing leetic being in his town meta before the lynch was over. Is this hindsight or "I told you so?" And why should long con die if he's overwhelmingly likely to be town?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:27 am think about it: if you had a team and you had a pretty good shot of lasting the phase BUT YOU VOTED YOURSELF how would your team feel?

idk man there'd be rage, RAGE. wolves have more of a responsibility to live.

ok yeah i guess wolves could self vote at eod like that but if you do that then you're just bad. and like i don't like to call ppl bad, but like if you do that as a wolf then you deserve it

I think you should vote for somebody this instant. Don’t think too much about it. Just look into your heart and click on the name that stands out. You can always change it later.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:27 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:25 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:18 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am

No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?

Bad mood.

If yours was the only vote that counted yesterday, where would it have gone?

Probably Drago or Mac.

Why?

They were upsetting me the most.

But they don’t have votes in this exercise.

But my vote is the only one that counts in this exercise.

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] why did you stay on tedxtr?

Self voting isn't exactly a heads up play but it's also not an automatic death sentence. Sounds like an overly extreme stance, much like the play itself

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:30 am @Turnip Head why did you stay on tedxtr?

Why didn't you join me?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:29 amBut my vote is the only one that counts in this exercise.

Who should we vote for today?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:29 amBut my vote is the only one that counts in this exercise.

Who should we vote for today?

Why don't you ask your towncore?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:30 am @Turnip Head why did you stay on tedxtr?

Why didn't you join me?

Because I had him as a town read, and also because moving my vote would have done nothing to avoid a tie. You could have broken the tie.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:29 amBut my vote is the only one that counts in this exercise.

Who should we vote for today?

Why don't you ask your towncore?

I don’t have a towncore. That’s a silly term.

You are a town read, LC. I left my vote on leetic at least partially because I didn’t want you lynched. I expressed this read well before your self-vote. These are not interrogative questions. I’m just hoping to hear your voice.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:29 am I don't recall you pushing leetic being in his town meta before the lynch was over. Is this hindsight or "I told you so?" And why should long con die if he's overwhelmingly likely to be town?

I wanted to lynch Dragomir yesterday, but I was happy with Long Con dying especially after their self vote. I was pushing a counterwagon to leetic, and had leetic as hard town in all of my read lists rather than a town lean or anything. If somebody self votes, it means they believe they are the best lynch. So, I should also believe they are the best lynch, because a towny will usually believe they are not the best lynch being guaranteed town. If you do not like policy lynches, then this would make less sense to you, probably.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:32 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:30 am @Turnip Head why did you stay on tedxtr?

Why didn't you join me?

Because I had him as a town read, and also because moving my vote would have done nothing to avoid a tie. You could have broken the tie.

Well I wasn't going to vote leetic just to save an imploding LC, I liked leetic as town. My preferred wagon was only 1 vote behind.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:35 am You are a town read, LC. I left my vote on leetic at least partially because I didn’t want you lynched. I expressed this read well before your self-vote. These are not interrogative questions. I’m just hoping to hear your voice.

I'll let you know if I hear anything.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:07 am funnygurl and master radishes both dipped out shortly before LC's self-vote.

i was at work but was peeking during breaks

anyway i voted lc because i didn't want to vote leetic 'cause mikey believed they were town. and lc was the only other option available and i was okay with that lynch. i was not finna see ted die

saw mikey on the wagon a bit later and that made me feel better about my decision

i believe in mikey lol

i voted tsp but i don't know if i believe in that

honestly... i'm just wondering who would kill dragomir. and i'm thinking about who's steering the game right now, because we're headed in the wrong direction if we had tvt wagons

our wolves are likely an active team

i don't wanna say this really but i suspect you sloonei.

you had an evolving read on leetic (town --> maf)

and on that note, mac had an evolving read on lc (town --> maf)

and i think people with more of a voice are more important to interrogate than ppl like th who are not as visible in the town's conscience (don't mean that with any offense)

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:35 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:29 am I don't recall you pushing leetic being in his town meta before the lynch was over. Is this hindsight or "I told you so?" And why should long con die if he's overwhelmingly likely to be town?

I wanted to lynch Dragomir yesterday, but I was happy with Long Con dying especially after their self vote. I was pushing a counterwagon to leetic, and had leetic as hard town in all of my read lists rather than a town lean or anything. If somebody self votes, it means they believe they are the best lynch. So, I should also believe they are the best lynch, because a towny will usually believe they are not the best lynch being guaranteed town. If you do not like policy lynches, then this would make less sense to you, probably.

Sounds like following the letter of the law and not the spirit of it. The game is rarely so cut and dry. I feel like you're only taking this stance because it suits your agenda.

I have made a Team Aqua Grunt outfit and Trainer Red outfit in Animal Crossing, and they look pretty good, if I do say so myself. Does anyone have recommendations?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:40 am Sounds like following the letter of the law and not the spirit of it. The game is rarely so cut and dry. I feel like you're only taking this stance because it suits your agenda.

I am taking it, because if they want to die, I want them to die.

Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:37 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:07 am funnygurl and master radishes both dipped out shortly before LC's self-vote.

i was at work but was peeking during breaks

anyway i voted lc because i didn't want to vote leetic 'cause mikey believed they were town. and lc was the only other option available and i was okay with that lynch. i was not finna see ted die

saw mikey on the wagon a bit later and that made me feel better about my decision

i believe in mikey lol

i voted tsp but i don't know if i believe in that

honestly... i'm just wondering who would kill dragomir. and i'm thinking about who's steering the game right now, because we're headed in the wrong direction if we had tvt wagons

our wolves are likely an active team

i don't wanna say this really but i suspect you sloonei.

Not unfair. My process is slow, and my volume usually puts me in a perceived leadership position. My Day 1s can look like a mess, but they are geared toward making Day 3 and onward easier.
That said, my method relies on cooperation and I hope that, even if I am a suspect, people are willing to talk with me about the things we are all doing. I voted for leetic because he felt like the best optipn among the viable wagons. You trusted your vote to Mikey. Why?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:39 am you had an evolving read on leetic (town --> maf)

and on that note, mac had an evolving read on lc (town --> maf)

and i think people with more of a voice are more important to interrogate than ppl like th who are not as visible in the town's conscience (don't mean that with any offense)

Please feel free to interrogate me.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned

Why these three names in particular?

I have a bit of an abstract question, because it is worth keeping in mind, but I do not think it is worth answering out loud.
Given characters are not alignment indicative, what knowledge could you expect to gain from knowing somebody's character?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:37 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:07 am funnygurl and master radishes both dipped out shortly before LC's self-vote.

i was at work but was peeking during breaks

anyway i voted lc because i didn't want to vote leetic 'cause mikey believed they were town. and lc was the only other option available and i was okay with that lynch. i was not finna see ted die

saw mikey on the wagon a bit later and that made me feel better about my decision

i believe in mikey lol

i voted tsp but i don't know if i believe in that

honestly... i'm just wondering who would kill dragomir. and i'm thinking about who's steering the game right now, because we're headed in the wrong direction if we had tvt wagons

our wolves are likely an active team

i don't wanna say this really but i suspect you sloonei.

Not unfair. My process is slow, and my volume usually puts me in a perceived leadership position. My Day 1s can look like a mess, but they are geared toward making Day 3 and onward easier.
That said, my method relies on cooperation and I hope that, even if I am a suspect, people are willing to talk with me about the things we are all doing. I voted for leetic because he felt like the best optipn among the viable wagons. You trusted your vote to Mikey. Why?

if he's a wolf then i'ma be sad so i'm hoping he really is town here so we can WORK TOGETHER and WIN THE GAME

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:44 am if he's a wolf then i'ma be sad so i'm hoping he really is town here so we can WORK TOGETHER and WIN THE GAME

Scout's Honor, not a wolf this time.