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Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:14 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:13 pm Everything you're quoting and asking me about is outdated and irrelevant lol.

I'm getting there, holy christ. I'm even trying to not to respond to as much as I normally would tbh.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:14 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:14 pm But you'll see that anyway. If any of your questions somehow still apply when you are fully caught up let me know lol

That's fine, I will let you know, thanks.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:15 pm**

Oh my god if nutella/Nanook isn't v/v, I don't even know.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm**

Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:17 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:29 pm I’m not telling anyone to play the way I do, I’m just annoyed at “I don’t play/think that way so you shouldn’t either” reads. They’re fucking obnoxious.

I... couldn't relate to this more.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:17 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.

I'd be happy to talk stuff out with you, I'm just going to have to ask for some patience from you and everyone else. My brain is literally *this close* to exploding due to other reasons.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:17 pm**

At this point juliets is somehow my top suspect simply because I townread everyone else more (except the two nothing slots). Really doesn't feel great.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:19 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:17 pm At this point juliets is somehow my top suspect simply because I townread everyone else more (except the two nothing slots). Really doesn't feel great.

Sometimes that's just the answer, POE is a thing. I'll see if I can help though.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:19 pm**

Actually the greatest thing that can happen in this game right now is if I don't town lead. I'd be thrilled to act in support right now.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:20 pm**

Secret vote is perfect for resolving a slot like sloonei/poison. Idk about you guys but I’m going to have a very hard time ever letting that slot get to LYLO, and since everyone is apparently so queasy about using a TK on a non entity slot this way lets them get over it a bit easier maybe?

Idk but I feel like two consecutive days of nothing from that slot needs to be resolved. Ironically I think sloonei is the person that would most agree with me

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:21 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:29 pm I’m not telling anyone to play the way I do, I’m just annoyed at “I don’t play/think that way so you shouldn’t either” reads. They’re fucking obnoxious.
I... couldn't relate to this more.

<3

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:21 pm**

Can you play every game with me

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:21 pm**

Okay, if someone else hasn't already done it and I actually have the capacity to do so, I would like to assist with interactive analyses re: MasterRadishes to the extent that I can.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm**

I don’t even care if this is a pocket tbh, I’m bought and paid for

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:20 pm Secret vote is perfect for resolving a slot like sloonei/poison. Idk about you guys but I’m going to have a very hard time ever letting that slot get to LYLO, and since everyone is apparently so queasy about using a TK on a non entity slot this way lets them get over it a bit easier maybe?

Idk but I feel like two consecutive days of nothing from that slot needs to be resolved. Ironically I think sloonei is the person that would most agree with me

Yeah you're probably right. I'm fine with voting out that slot, or wilgy though there is more of a chance he starts doing things at some point (and he can be a great player late game if he does get involved)

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:20 pm Secret vote is perfect for resolving a slot like sloonei/poison. Idk about you guys but I’m going to have a very hard time ever letting that slot get to LYLO, and since everyone is apparently so queasy about using a TK on a non entity slot this way lets them get over it a bit easier maybe?

Idk but I feel like two consecutive days of nothing from that slot needs to be resolved. Ironically I think sloonei is the person that would most agree with me

I support this, although I do wonder whether Sloonei or Wilgy would be the better choice as of this time.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:23 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:21 pm Can you play every game with me

I'll do what I can, it's been a pleasure so far. I'm glad to be playing again... for the most part.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:25 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm I don’t even care if this is a pocket tbh, I’m bought and paid for

I should probably talk mafia philosophy a different time, but I can't help but at least voice a quick opinion here.

The pocket is always worth it to me to work with towncore. Just because I got pocketed and lose in an F3 or something occasionally, as intensely crushing as that is (it took me days to not be depressed after losing to Mexal in my S5 qualifier, because that's how much this game means to me), doesn't mean the method of forming towncores isn't sound. It absolutely is. It helps to win games. It helps to foster cooperation. It can help crunch scum teams even in tough games. It's worth the downside, especially when you have solid town players in the core who are able and willing to re-assess.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:27 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:41 pm I am honestly speechless. My MR townread was one of the strongest convictions I had. I honestly have no idea what to think of this game now. I'm at square one.

Alright, so you're lock town for the foreseeable future, so that's pretty cool.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:28 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:20 pm Secret vote is perfect for resolving a slot like sloonei/poison. Idk about you guys but I’m going to have a very hard time ever letting that slot get to LYLO, and since everyone is apparently so queasy about using a TK on a non entity slot this way lets them get over it a bit easier maybe?

Idk but I feel like two consecutive days of nothing from that slot needs to be resolved. Ironically I think sloonei is the person that would most agree with me
I support this, although I do wonder whether Sloonei or Wilgy would be the better choice as of this time.

Tbh I forgot wilgy was in this game, so. Either is fine, probably slight preference for the twice replaced slot but I doubt wilgy has many posts if I can’t even remember he’s playing lol

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:28 pm**

I literally just played a game with nutella when she was scum. In every possible way she could not be more different in this game than she was there. I'd been really trying to feel her out prior to that because I didn't want to let her off too easy. Nah. She's town. That reaction sealed it for me.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 pm**

These are MR's only mentions of juliets (not counting when he listed vote counts):

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:56 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:45 pm Hey MR, what are your current reads and/or POE? Sorry if this question is answered somewhere else.
Probs town: LC, 112, Speed, maybe Jack based off recent posts, maybe Hyena?

Not lynching per activity: PC, Wilgy

Inner PoE: TSP, DDL, sig

Outer PoE: Nook, nutella, I guess Juliets (not SRing her really, just don't know what her scum game looks like), making my mind up on you still

Ask me in a few minutes and I'll probably shuffle my PoE around.

Link: jfc MP stop posting

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:43 pm Okay but seriously, how does one figure out when Juliets is scum?

Not inspiring.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm I don’t even care if this is a pocket tbh, I’m bought and paid for
I should probably talk mafia philosophy a different time, but I can't help but at least voice a quick opinion here.

The pocket is always worth it to me to work with towncore. Just because I got pocketed and lose in an F3 or something occasionally, as intensely crushing as that is (it took me days to not be depressed after losing to Mexal in my S5 qualifier, because that's how much this game means to me), doesn't mean the method of forming towncores isn't sound. It absolutely is. It helps to win games. It helps to foster cooperation. It can help crunch scum teams even in tough games. It's worth the downside, especially when you have solid town players in the core who are able and willing to re-assess.

I 100% agree, especially when I know the players better/have a better feel for them towncore is my preferred method of playing.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 pm**

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] Look MP can read me better than you can now.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 pm**

Be right back.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:30 pm**

Can I vote for speedchuck then

Or maybe I’m too focused on the “people pushing me for bad reasons” genre

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:32 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm I don’t even care if this is a pocket tbh, I’m bought and paid for
I should probably talk mafia philosophy a different time, but I can't help but at least voice a quick opinion here.

The pocket is always worth it to me to work with towncore. Just because I got pocketed and lose in an F3 or something occasionally, as intensely crushing as that is (it took me days to not be depressed after losing to Mexal in my S5 qualifier, because that's how much this game means to me), doesn't mean the method of forming towncores isn't sound. It absolutely is. It helps to win games. It helps to foster cooperation. It can help crunch scum teams even in tough games. It's worth the downside, especially when you have solid town players in the core who are able and willing to re-assess.
I 100% agree, especially when I know the players better/have a better feel for them towncore is my preferred method of playing.

I generally agree as well, I tend to have a better time finding strong townreads than strong scumreads, especially early on. The problem is they're sometimes wrong, and the other problem (which I'm facing now) is that I have too many reasons to townread too many people and am not left with much POE to work with

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:33 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:30 pm Can I vote for speedchuck then

Or maybe I’m too focused on the “people pushing me for bad reasons” genre

Sigh, I probably need to reassess even speed. If he's not town here I will...idk eat some weird thing someone dares me to eat.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:34 pm**

Since I had a bad feeling from MR's mentions of juliets I'm gonna look at the other side of that pairing real quick

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:37 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.
I'd be happy to talk stuff out with you, I'm just going to have to ask for some patience from you and everyone else. My brain is literally *this close* to exploding due to other reasons.

Heaven’s Feel 3 stateside release being delayed. I’m really upset about it too, buddy.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:39 pm**

I loathe all the MP/Nutella interactions from tonight.

Smells like wolf theater kids.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:39 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm I don’t even care if this is a pocket tbh, I’m bought and paid for
I should probably talk mafia philosophy a different time, but I can't help but at least voice a quick opinion here.

The pocket is always worth it to me to work with towncore. Just because I got pocketed and lose in an F3 or something occasionally, as intensely crushing as that is (it took me days to not be depressed after losing to Mexal in my S5 qualifier, because that's how much this game means to me), doesn't mean the method of forming towncores isn't sound. It absolutely is. It helps to win games. It helps to foster cooperation. It can help crunch scum teams even in tough games. It's worth the downside, especially when you have solid town players in the core who are able and willing to re-assess.
I 100% agree, especially when I know the players better/have a better feel for them towncore is my preferred method of playing.

Yeah, same. Naturally, the makeup of the game can change the dynamics of this.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:40 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:39 pm I loathe all the MP/Nutella interactions from tonight.

Smells like wolf theater kids.

Lmao.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:40 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:18 pm Sorting people into don't want to vote and could vote today. There is not an order within groups:

Won't vote:
nutella
112
Hyena
MP7
LC
speedchuck
Jack (not on his anniversary even though I don't have a read on him)
DDL
MR
Nanook

Could vote:
Dr. Wilgy
Poison Chan - but probably not because he hasn't been here at all
sig
Tony

I have to go fix and eat dinner but before I go I'm putting a vote on sig.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:00 pm Ok I'm back and see that we've gone from a lot of little wagons to MR as the main wagon. What did he do or what came to light?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:21 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:00 pm Ok I'm back and see that we've gone from a lot of little wagons to MR as the main wagon. What did he do or what came to light?
I made a compromise. I didn't like how fast the Sig wagon grew, and although I suspect Nanook, I don't feel confident enough to vote him yet. I'd prefer a Tony lynch, but I can settle for MR given the current alternatives.
Thanks for explaining Hyena. I admit I'm torn on sig.

She pretended to be interested in why MR was getting votes but then didn't really acknowledge it afterward and instead focused on sig.

This was her only reaction to MR's sudden demise:

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:38 pm But also wtf just happened
A day vig?

Hardly even looks surprised.

...Aaaaaand that's all we got fellas. I'm not impressed.

juliets has moved from being just the only active player I don't actively townread to being an active suspect based on MR interactions and/or lack thereof.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:41 pm I am honestly speechless. My MR townread was one of the strongest convictions I had. I honestly have no idea what to think of this game now. I'm at square one.
Alright, so you're lock town for the foreseeable future, so that's pretty cool.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.

These are the most bullshit undeserving townreads I’ve ever seen.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:38 pm If MR was scum I don't believe anything anymore. I have no beliefs. I am an apostate of the school of mafia. I give up.
I don't believe this reaction.

That could not be more diametrically opposed to my view, so it'd be cool if you could talk to me more about this. I think it looks completely stream of consciousness, especially given the string of multiple posts prior to it.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:41 pm I am honestly speechless. My MR townread was one of the strongest convictions I had. I honestly have no idea what to think of this game now. I'm at square one.
Alright, so you're lock town for the foreseeable future, so that's pretty cool.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.
These are the most bullshit undeserving townreads I’ve ever seen.

Nice try.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm**

[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:41 pm I am honestly speechless. My MR townread was one of the strongest convictions I had. I honestly have no idea what to think of this game now. I'm at square one.
Alright, so you're lock town for the foreseeable future, so that's pretty cool.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.
These are the most bullshit undeserving townreads I’ve ever seen.

I know the first one is correct, and the second one is not particularly strong.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:43 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine
I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”

If that's true, surely I will get there, or you can explain it to me if you'd like.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:44 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine
I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”

As much as I hate to admit, this is probably true. Like, you could have pulled that as a gambit but if that's the case you deserve to win lol. I really really really want to think you are bad here because you're being so boneheadedly wrong about me, but I have to take the role thing into account and it just makes a hell of a lot more sense if you're town.

Juliets is bad though trust me. I did my homework.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:45 pm**

Ehhh

Radishes stealing Jack’s power doesn’t, like, 100% lock jim town...but combined with it being a fairly useless scum power (and I have to believe scum have something useful since town has a day vig), I’m inclined to think he’s probably just town. Almost certainly not interested there until f3.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:45 pm**

MP, you gotta catch up to Hyena's case on you. You became suspect #1 for a bit, and the votes still linger.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:45 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine
I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”
If that's true, surely I will get there, or you can explain it to me if you'd like.

I am a reporter. Radishes stole my power, changed my report and then was day killed and flipped wolf.

Unless you think the wolves decided to waste two actions to say Tony is suspicious in the host post, I’m town.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:45 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:17 pm 112 suspected MP7:

Spoiler: show
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:30 pm MP7 random D1 feels reads whatever man

towncore
112
Hyena
juliets
nutella
speed

probably town
DDL
Tony

Upper POE
DrWilgy
Jack
LC
MR

Lower POE
Nanook
Poison Chan
sig

I think? Ordered across tiers but not within, by the way.

Maybe I do have more reads than I thought. I'm certainly wrong about something or multiple things or all of it, but whatever, I think this is what I got. Trusting my gut for now. Fuck tinfoil.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:31 pm Nute could still be right about mplus but I honestly don't think anyone gets as angry as he did in a contest like this unless he's town.

That towncore post had an awful tone fwiw and it's what sparked this post.

Alright then.

I never kill 112 in our first game together anywhere, let alone on this site. I would have vehemently argued with my scum partners about this if I were scum, and very likely I would have gotten my way. Believe it or not, up to you.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:46 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine
I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”
If that's true, surely I will get there, or you can explain it to me if you'd like.

It's from the beginning of the day, you should have already read it unless you skipped? He claimed news reporter and that the published news report wasn't what he wrote because MR stole his ability.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:46 pm**

Tony and Hyena were the ones Radish pushed, so that probably gives them some town points.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:46 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:45 pm MP, you gotta catch up to Hyena's case on you. You became suspect #1 for a bit, and the votes still linger.

Just got to the beginning, haha. Thanks for the warning though.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:47 pm**

Thanks for explaining, nutella and Jack. I can't say I fully absorbed that chain of events. I'll move my vote.

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