The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:35 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:14 am why did you tr allison off soneji interactions in the first place?

her name is alison with one l. sorry, the double l bothers me aesthetically lol.

based on him calling out and shading her d0 post then putting her in his bottom tier scum pile. it's a little thing, but i feel like it was unnecessary if soneji was w/w with alison. he could have bigger fish to dry, really.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:37 pm dunya I noticed your post about how my posts are too eloquently constructed and feel artificial and I don't really know how to respond to that except that all my posts are like that. I strive for logical rigor and consistency in basically everything I do, whether it be real life behavior, town, or mafia. I tend to adopt a more formal tone and that sometimes comes off as artificial or forced. That's all there is to it.

yeah, i know it's no fault of your own. i just tend to townread people who are loose and fast and spontaneous over people who seem to be editing and mulling over their words.

i promise to iso you and try to keep in mind that it's just you're preferred style before i make new and improved poe after soneji's flip.

also, i'm locktowning epi and tutuu.

and i am noting mac's appeal to emotion to get me to change my mind and his flipped reaction in handling me. he is saying i'm an alien in his poe, but treating my suspicion on him as town tunneling him.

that's good enough for me. thank you dunya.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:53 pm If Tony is town and LC and Rej are maf who is the third maf? Someone fooling all of us consistently?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:57 pm I wrote up a readslist and realized I had almost everyone in the game as town or null, which means I should start re-evaluating my townreads big-time tomorrow. Currently I'm probably just going to go to sleep since it's 2am. The townreads I feel are most likely to be wolf in disguise are nanook, Mac and Epi and I will go over their ISOs first. Mechanically speaking TSP should be pretty damn close to confirmed because he basically killed Soneji with his bare hands unprovoked when Soneji was not at much risk of dying. And protocultures is the townread I am most certain of, I just do not think it is possible to fake that much paranoia and desperation for info, mingled with raw purity.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:36 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:53 pm If Tony is town and LC and Rej are maf who is the third maf? Someone fooling all of us consistently?

I do believe there are four mafia members.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:29 pm Smart kill. Wish someone had looked out for Hally.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:36 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:53 pm If Tony is town and LC and Rej are maf who is the third maf? Someone fooling all of us consistently?

I do believe there are four mafia members.

3 left with 1 zapped tho

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:29 pm Smart kill. Wish someone had looked out for Hally.

Ooh the shade

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:37 pm Itt: epi tunnels dunya and porto

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:18 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:26 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:48 am What is it about Epi's play that's unimaginable?

its so openly selfish and uncooperative in a way where it is clear that town should be cooperating to increases chances of winning.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:03 am "you guys do whatever you want, but I cant trust any of your plans because you might be aliens. My ONE job as a bunker is to save Nutella. I dont care that we discussed a plan to reduce wasted bunker shots on Night 1, I dont trust any of you or math or nothing. I am a bunker and I need to save Nutella. I insta lock in my save before anyone can say anything and then cast doubt on my own save to enocurage others to do the same because I might be an alien". Thats basically my TL;DR of their play so far and why i find it scummy.

I don't see it as an issue because that is the personality shtick that Epi has cultivated over the years. I fully support you yanking hard on this thread though. Good to have fresh eyes. Just don't expect him to dance.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:06 am Dont shoot proto nutella i am over my annoyance however im adamant that cooperation between him and I (american english would say "him and me", in british english its "him and I" fwiw. i know this from the film scott pilgrimm vs the world) is impossible and my energy is better spent elsewhere

I was taught to take out the other person. If you say "You should pick me!" then you'd say "You should pick him and me!", and saying "I am going to the slugmarket" would inform you to say "He and I are going to the slugmarket". I don't know if "him and I" is ever good. Epi is an English teacher though, maybe he'll weigh in. Never heard of the British/American divide on that one.

thanks for a response that helps me understand their meta and why they are being townread for it.

This makes no sense whatsoever.

Half the people here have zero experience with me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:42 pm
How can proto be thankful for a response helping the understanding of my "meta" and why people support me when most of the people here don't know me?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:05 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:22 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:32 am idk why you wouldn’t just take what i’m saying at face value given how well i know him. you aren’t wrong in the sense that if i was scum here i’d still tr and hard defend dizzy because doing anything less would out myself to him since he’d know i was bs-ing and would never not tr him when he is town. but you don’t know that.

uh, what now? you literally answered your own question. i said you're trying to pocket him. i think i know how to play mafia, so i don't need to know how you usually treat dizzy to make my own conclusions about what you could be doing in your posts. i make my own deductions based on your words and tone

you're approaching me in a very negative light despite never playing with me, or trying to tone read and understand why i am suspicious. if you expect to get an easy TR just cos dizzy told me you're town, that's not gonna happen with me tbh. ;p

yes, but my point is that you jump to the conclusion of me being scum pocketing him instead of the very real and more obvious conclusion that i’m just town who is using my experience with dizzy to accurately town read him. again, i would do the same as scum, but i dont see from your pov why you should weigh scum angle more than the more obvious town angle

sorry, but i don’t feel im being overly harsh or negative or rude to you or anything? you aren’t my main suspect by a long shot, to clarify. im merely suspecting you in a mafia game just as you’re suspecting me. it’s fine and not personal in the slightest on my end, nor do take it personally from you. this is a game and i consider you all my friends even though we’ve only just met!

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:09 pm the management of conflict and general "I want you to know that even if I scumread you I still like you as a person" sentiment on this site is a huge breath of fresh air compared to what I'm used to

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:18 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:16 pm also the stuff you mention re: LC’s scum read on dunya is why im tinfoiling them as possibly paired. because i feel like theyve both been sussing each other on and off but dont actually seem interested in pushing the other at all? and their interactions at the start where dunya immediately told nut to shoot LC before he even posted and then scum read his very null entrance and then LC responded by omgusing dunya and telling nut to shoot her instead felt like scum theater to me. and then they both seemed to just drop it. bad feels

to my credit, i opened his iso but it is so lacking in actual game-relevant content it didn't interest me at the time to pursue it. i'm behind in the game and isos and there are meatier isos for me to get through. remember, i skipped d1, so a lot of my reads haven't been built on yet. i'm getting caught up, but also it's slow and whatever.

the dance gifs were cute tho tbh.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:22 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:37 pm dunya I noticed your post about how my posts are too eloquently constructed and feel artificial and I don't really know how to respond to that except that all my posts are like that. I strive for logical rigor and consistency in basically everything I do, whether it be real life behavior, town, or mafia. I tend to adopt a more formal tone and that sometimes comes off as artificial or forced. That's all there is to it.

yeah, i know it's no fault of your own. i just tend to townread people who are loose and fast and spontaneous over people who seem to be editing and mulling over their words.

i promise to iso you and try to keep in mind that it's just you're preferred style before i make new and improved poe after soneji's flip.

also, i'm locktowning epi and tutuu.

and i am noting mac's appeal to emotion to get me to change my mind and his flipped reaction in handling me. he is saying i'm an alien in his poe, but treating my suspicion on him as town tunneling him.

but why dont you town read me then? am i not fast and loose and spontaneous? because i feel that description fits me better than almost anyone this game. whats your suspicion on me based on? is it just the dizzy stuff or something else?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:29 pm Smart kill. Wish someone had looked out for Hally.

Ooh the shade

Eh?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:35 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:14 am why did you tr allison off soneji interactions in the first place?

her name is alison with one l. sorry, the double l bothers me aesthetically lol.

based on him calling out and shading her d0 post then putting her in his bottom tier scum pile. it's a little thing, but i feel like it was unnecessary if soneji was w/w with alison. he could have bigger fish to dry, really.

This smells off to me. Not sure why. Revisit later.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:35 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:14 am why did you tr allison off soneji interactions in the first place?

her name is alison with one l. sorry, the double l bothers me aesthetically lol.

based on him calling out and shading her d0 post then putting her in his bottom tier scum pile. it's a little thing, but i feel like it was unnecessary if soneji was w/w with alison. he could have bigger fish to dry, really.

This smells off to me. Not sure why. Revisit later.

Might be the dry fish

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:29 pm Smart kill. Wish someone had looked out for Hally.

Ooh the shade

Eh?

You weren't trolling proto here? Ok.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:06 pm @nutella do you think Dunya would kill Hally after subbing in and then make a post like "oh a syndikat would never do dis omg"?

Notwithstanding I am like 99% sure Epi would have absolutely vetoed that kill if he was mafia.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:32 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:22 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:37 pm dunya I noticed your post about how my posts are too eloquently constructed and feel artificial and I don't really know how to respond to that except that all my posts are like that. I strive for logical rigor and consistency in basically everything I do, whether it be real life behavior, town, or mafia. I tend to adopt a more formal tone and that sometimes comes off as artificial or forced. That's all there is to it.

yeah, i know it's no fault of your own. i just tend to townread people who are loose and fast and spontaneous over people who seem to be editing and mulling over their words.

i promise to iso you and try to keep in mind that it's just you're preferred style before i make new and improved poe after soneji's flip.

also, i'm locktowning epi and tutuu.

and i am noting mac's appeal to emotion to get me to change my mind and his flipped reaction in handling me. he is saying i'm an alien in his poe, but treating my suspicion on him as town tunneling him.

but why dont you town read me then? am i not fast and loose and spontaneous? because i feel that description fits me better than almost anyone this game. whats your suspicion on me based on? is it just the dizzy stuff or something else?

i am still undecided on you. i have been reading you as the game progresses, but i haven't iso'd you in succession yet and really weighed out your contributions. i'm going through it. you subbed in on my day off of mafia ;p

you're a great player and im enjoying reading you, but i have no experience what you're like as anti-town. if you're town, i'll probably get there by seeing town motive.

and it wasn't just the dizzy thing, it was how quickly you tried to shade and discredit your "town lean" simply because i don't want to take what you say as written in stone, as though i committed a great big crime. what kind of town player believes everything everyone says as soon as they say it? mafia would be a weird game. why shouldn't one of you or dizzy be lying to me?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:43 pm current GTH reads

Alison - town (it's a weak one but i read their iso)
Hally - town (i like their eagerness and push from me, but i hven't read their iso yet)
Carotenoid - alien (feels way too reserved, read their iso, also the player salad)
MacDougall - alien (the ate gets to me but im not fully swayed, did not read their iso)
Dyslexicon - alien (just feels too much on the defensive and could be thread environment, did not iso yet)
Epignosis - town (read their iso, and despite the coffee tell. i know epi drinks coffee around 8am every day, eloh tells me so ). i just remembered the last time i lock towned epi in that one game as leetic's partner and he was mafia. rip.
Long Con - town (idk, i think LC loves rolling alien and puts up more of a contribution. also he seemed genuinely bugged by my day 0 suspicions that felt more townie than alien, so i'm gonna go with town)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town (not too much meat in their iso, but i realize the game culture nanook comes from now lol)
protocultures - town (the emotion in several of his posts seem very genuine to me, but i could swing both ways here, have not read his iso yet)
Rej - alien (very low presence, dislike, read their iso)
TonyStarkPrime - alien (this is probably my weakest alien feel cos i think most of his posts are town, but the inconsistencies in his reads bugs me without actual thread development, skimmed his iso tbf, he has a lot of posts)
tutuu - lock town

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:06 pm @nutella do you think Dunya would kill Hally after subbing in and then make a post like "oh a syndikat would never do dis omg"?

Notwithstanding I am like 99% sure Epi would have absolutely vetoed that kill if he was mafia.

The answer is no, never.

For my ref so I can use this in the future for meta.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:13 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:43 pm current GTH reads

Alison - town (it's a weak one but i read their iso)
Hally - town (i like their eagerness and push from me, but i hven't read their iso yet)
Carotenoid - alien (feels way too reserved, read their iso, also the player salad)
MacDougall - alien (the ate gets to me but im not fully swayed, did not read their iso)
Dyslexicon - alien (just feels too much on the defensive and could be thread environment, did not iso yet)
Epignosis - town (read their iso, and despite the coffee tell. i know epi drinks coffee around 8am every day, eloh tells me so ). i just remembered the last time i lock towned epi in that one game as leetic's partner and he was mafia. rip.
Long Con - town (idk, i think LC loves rolling alien and puts up more of a contribution. also he seemed genuinely bugged by my day 0 suspicions that felt more townie than alien, so i'm gonna go with town)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town (not too much meat in their iso, but i realize the game culture nanook comes from now lol)
protocultures - town (the emotion in several of his posts seem very genuine to me, but i could swing both ways here, have not read his iso yet)
Rej - alien (very low presence, dislike, read their iso)
TonyStarkPrime - alien (this is probably my weakest alien feel cos i think most of his posts are town, but the inconsistencies in his reads bugs me without actual thread development, skimmed his iso tbf, he has a lot of posts)
tutuu - lock town

Here's that post I saw about the coffee thing. None of the talk about me says shit about me HERE. It's all about coffee or the last time I was bad with leetic (and I don't even remember that).

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:06 pm @nutella do you think Dunya would kill Hally after subbing in and then make a post like "oh a syndikat would never do dis omg"?

Notwithstanding I am like 99% sure Epi would have absolutely vetoed that kill if he was mafia.

The answer is no, never.

For my ref so I can use this in the future for meta.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:13 pm I find it almost offensive to assume I'd kill a new member after she subbed in and read 30 pages tbh.

Your read is garbage epi.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:30 am i decided not to play mafia on my bday. i have a lot of catching up to do.

hi hally! thanks for the birthday message, i appreciate it. you can get a town pass tonight cos if it.

why do so many people suspect me, are you guys crazy or are you crazy? must be crazy ;p

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:13 pm I find it almost offensive to assume I'd kill a new member after she subbed in and read 30 pages tbh.

Your read is garbage epi.

You weren't here for most of the Night, were you?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:30 am i decided not to play mafia on my bday. i have a lot of catching up to do.

hi hally! thanks for the birthday message, i appreciate it. you can get a town pass tonight cos if it.

why do so many people suspect me, are you guys crazy or are you crazy? must be crazy ;p

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:12 pm wow I know no syndicat would agree to offing a brand new player on our site who just replaced in.

Rip Hally, I'm sorry you can't play more pls stick around cos you're awesome

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:18 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:30 am i decided not to play mafia on my bday. i have a lot of catching up to do.

hi hally! thanks for the birthday message, i appreciate it. you can get a town pass tonight cos if it.

why do so many people suspect me, are you guys crazy or are you crazy? must be crazy ;p

That was day 1, silly!

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:32 pm ok, misread the OP - I thought each Bunker could only protect once. Apparently they have 4 shots. Still not enough to waste them on a mass protect of every player in the game.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:19 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:12 pm wow I know no syndicat would agree to offing a brand new player on our site who just replaced in.

Rip Hally, I'm sorry you can't play more pls stick around cos you're awesome

So do you think all the remaining aliens are non-syndicat?