The Syndicate

Actually hard FoS on Lavender if I'm the night kill tonight

I have a feeling he is FoSing me specifically because there is Night Chat and I'm about to die and then "why is he mafia if he FoSed the night kill a few hours earlier"

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:05 pm @Lavender Mafia was created by Dimitri Davidoff in 1986. Since then, there have been tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands Mafia games played throughout the world, in IRL, Forums, Video, Voice chat and more.

From all of these millions, billions, and even trillions Mafia games, there has not been a single town who has been more towny than I have been this game. Take that scumread back and be ashamed of yourself, son.

this reads like a copypasta

i actually plugged it into google

turns out it's not

but u gotta do better imo

We could make it into a copypasta

Mafia was created by Dimitri Davidoff in 1986. Since then, there have been tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands Mafia games played throughout the world, in IRL, Forums, Video, Voice chat and more.

From all of these millions, billions, and even trillions Mafia games, there has not been a single town who has been more towny than I have been this game. Take that scumread back and be ashamed of yourself, son.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:07 pm Actually hard FoS on Lavender if I'm the night kill tonight

I have a feeling he is FoSing me specifically because there is Night Chat and I'm about to die and then "why is he mafia if he FoSed the night kill a few hours earlier"

I don't think anyone will get away with that kind of argument though. Like, I don't expect scum to be stupid. His read just seems really tone deaf. Maybe even towny, but again, I don't know him at all. I felt Jeraldo also had really tone deaf reads.

The only town that has ever towned harder than Tutu is me in Space Invaders. If Tutu is not town here I will book a ticked, spite corona, walk to her house, bow down and kiss her feet and promptly return to Oslo and cry on the whole plan trip home. I would also policy lynch her D1 in every single future game. I just can't see it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:11 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:07 pm Actually hard FoS on Lavender if I'm the night kill tonight

I have a feeling he is FoSing me specifically because there is Night Chat and I'm about to die and then "why is he mafia if he FoSed the night kill a few hours earlier"

I don't think anyone will get away with that kind of argument though. Like, I don't expect scum to be stupid. His read just seems really tone deaf. Maybe even towny, but again, I don't know him at all. I felt Jeraldo also had really tone deaf reads.

You expect scum!Lavender to know better but you don't expect town!Lavender to know better?

I need that copypasta tbh
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Tutu is my spirit animal.

wait somebody call me scum i want to try something

Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:15 pm wait somebody call me scum i want to try something

ur scum

Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:17 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:15 pm wait somebody call me scum i want to try something

ur scum

Mafia was created by Dimitri Davidoff in 1986. Since then, there have been tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands Mafia games played throughout the world, in IRL, Forums, Video, Voice chat and more.

From all of these millions, billions, and even trillions Mafia games, there has not been a single town who has been more towny than I have been this game. Take that scumread back and be ashamed of yourself, son.

i'm out for now, good luck with ur night kill mafia, ur gonna need it

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:14 pmYou expect scum!Lavender to know better but you don't expect town!Lavender to know better?

I mean, I get the feeling he's not really paying that much attention regardless, so it's probably all NAI. Also, taking my own advice from forever, it's probably not smart to speculate about what scum would and would not be on top of regarding thread flow and stuff. But it would be really cool if it's Lavender and Jeraldo literally going "let's go in and scum read all the obvious town power wolf weeeee", cause that would be so out there and I'd love it.

Maybe it's time to reevaluate my MP read that is basically based off of caps lock lol

I love my mafia skills. I'm a champs player. Game game game

Personally I think scumreading the night kill specifically a few hours before they're dead (as opposed to another time) is like a very standard mafia move but we'll see

I dont ahve MP7 as high town anymore aswell

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:22 pm Personally I think scumreading the night kill specifically a few hours before they're dead (as opposed to another time) is like a very standard mafia move but we'll see

Oh my god, Tutu, you're such scum!

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:22 pm Personally I think scumreading the night kill specifically a few hours before they're dead (as opposed to another time) is like a very standard mafia move but we'll see

I hardly ever see it actually. I see town players wrongly scumreading obvtown more often.

Like. The night chat specifically

w/e

pls remember to mech test scirrus like hes 99% town but its the right play cuz if theres a tracker they wouldnt CC because scirrus should get caught anyway if we arent lazy

Anyway, I should try to get in my work hours before day starts and I get sucked into the black hole again, provided I don't get the sweet relief of death.

I think I gave out my thoughts, but basically
Tutu - never yeet, always love
Scirrus - claim is legit and he seems town anyway
Cobbler - honestly, probably never yeet
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Michelle - town based off erect finger tell
Alison - probably just town tbh. I want to trust Tutu and M&N reasons, and I don't see why she would go out of her way to specifically clear me.
Urist - town because I just feel it and I haven't seen anything wrong from their posts. I could probably be fooled here. Still feel town even though I voted him.
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MP - I really want MP to be town. I don't think she's scummy really, but she's burned me before. That caps lock though, seemed so genuine.
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Proto - I have too many feelings about this read, but bottom line is that I read Proto easily as town last game despite not getting where he's coming from, cause he had clear town markers. I don't see the same markers here.
Lavender - kind of null, but in PoE. Probably someone I should iso actually
Jeraldo - not much to go on. Weird associative reads that seemed really random and drawn out of thin air. PoE.
1612 - only thing I remember is he town read Urist, which could be kind of convenient given the thread state if Urist is indeed town. If Urist is scum, I'd be more compelled to call them town as I don't know if a scummate comes in first thing and hard defends there. PoE.

^Literally, I think all my bottom reads are from Proto's community which makes me worried I have a huge bias for suspecting people with different styles or that I don't know, which actually I know I do. At the same time, I feel I have good enough reasons to town read or at least town lean other players. RNG is random, so wouldn't be surprised if at least two scum were in my bottom reads. Hopefully.

Omfg i cant fucking stop thinking about lavender and how im about to die in 2 hours just watch and see [VOTE: Lavender] aubergine please give him ZERO townreads for scumreading me

i was just standing behind proto irl and his scum chat was open, looks like i'm dying tonight, so long folks it was fun

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:33 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:18 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:14 pm so like do u not care how u appear and/or do u have some overwhelming confidence in ur reads that u think cooperation is useless or what?

why do u want to work with me and then u just push lavender away?

i'm not getting banished and lavender already thinks proto is scum. ergo me explaining why i think proto is scum has no value

damn that's efficient af

i'm sorry, i shouldn't be so curt, it's mainly a playstyle / 4h of sleep every day thing, if it helps i act like this to my coworkers as well even knowing i shouldn't.
there are reasons for why making cases, giving reasons, etc should ideally be avoided as town whenever possible.
mainly, it gives an opportunity for people to doubt your reasoning, even if it's solid.
people are generally pretty stubborn about their reads as well, so the chance of actually convincing anyone with logic is pretty low.
and it also gives mafia a way to say "x convinced me" if the person flips town.

Just going to say if everyone played like this, mafia is pretty unsolvable.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:53 pm Petition to have Nut come in an laser the shit out of some scumbums

Before the soneji and rej shots we were like democratic south korea but after those 2 shots we turned to dictatorship north korea man

Can confirm. South Korea best korea

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:05 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:04 pm But yeah, I don't find any reason to think Jeraldo or 1612 is town. I know Proto hard reads both as town, but I don't trust Proto, and even if he's town, I don't trust his reads at all, sorry.

I think it's possible that Proto is scum here. I town read him pretty fast in Space Invaders, even if most of his posts made no sense to me.

Lavender gives me serious Wikkiden vibes (probably only a reference I know). But basically, it was a player who played in my champs game, and had a similar kind of light, jokey tone. I instantly scum read them for it, cause it reminded me of how I would come across as scum. But he turned out town. I had kind of the same feeling at Lavender's entrance this game. I don't know Lavender. I don't find him particularly scummy or towny really. I know some people town read him, but I don't know why, so I'd take a sales pitch on that.

Everyone else I town read to some degree or a large degree

Aren't these like the exact people from Proto's community though? Cause that kind of seems like a problem tbh

I'm null on 1612 but am still catching up on a ton of posts

Nvm there are no more posts. Still null on 1612

I was more sus on Urist than scirrius.

At the end, when it was between Nanook and Urist, I voted Nanook because Alison was voting Urist.

Although I prev voted Urist, at the time of my last vote, I scumread Alison more than Urist which is why I voted Nanook.

[mention]1612[/mention] [mention]jeraldooo[/mention] you need to post more or they going to punish me for bringing in coasters.

I'm still slowly going through day 1. Made a bit of progress earlier but fell asleep.

Kind of think Michelle is not a bad push for tomorrow but need to keep re-reading. Urist as well would be okay. Still mulling Alison over but don't think can get votes on Alison because of tutuu and dizzy sheep meta. Not calling you sheep but there's a bunch of people not believing in the votes/reads and following requests to change votes. I think it just makes the game much harder to figure out.

Lavender seems town from recent interactions and finding inconsistencies and asking questions.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] hello hello, please channel me your spirit energy so i can read dizzy correctly

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:44 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:37 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.

But if proto is overly self-aware, wouldn't that make the sentiment effectively NAI?

Nope! Because faking the previous playstyle earns him towncred from Dizzy and tutuu (Dizzy even made a joke about how if he was town he'd have posted a huge wall of mechanics). I think it makes more sense to me that proto would simply do what gets him townread as scum rather than intentionally deviating from his play. Is faking this 100% outside of proto's scum range? No, but it's less likely enough that I'm comfortable giving proto a townread for it, especially in the context of the rest of his play.

Agree Alison townreading me for this is slightly odd, I would say "I will play differently" as both alignments, because it is true.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:43 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:42 am And I think Dizzy is probably town as well. That read is the one I'm least confident on but I liked the interaction with cobbler. Can anyone with a townread on Urist talk to me about them?

What specifically did you like about it?

Also, generally speaking, I apologize if I ask questions that end up being irrelevant by the time I catch up, but I typically prefer to catch up and post responses as I do so.

I felt a genuine enthusiasm from Dizzy to connect with and engage with cobbler, as well as actual happiness when they found cobbler to be town.

Have never seen town alison, but I dont think town alison would give a townread for enthusiam or happiness. Its NAI and easily faked.

Way harder to fake genuine enthusiasm when you hate playing scum.

I haven’t had the time or emotional energy to hop back into this yet, and also but I wanted to at least say before the Night is over that I think there has been fantastic levels of effort put into this and people working together and I’m so happy about that. I’ve really enjoyed this game and I hope to play more of it.

I dont have enough time to get through it all before the night kill, so let me leave my legacy in case I die as I act as a semi bridge between 2 groups of players.

[mention]1612[/mention] [mention]jeraldooo[/mention] [mention]Lavender[/mention]

You will probably be scumreading tutuu and other people who townread tutuu. Im pretty sure tutuu is town. Treating them as inno child/dog is prob not terrible if you cant get a read on them.

You may be scumreading Dizzy this game - eh, he is probably town. like 70%.

Alison will seem towny to you but it doesnt mean she is town. Her scum game is S tier.

Cindy Kate

I am null on 1612, lean Jeraldooo town and lean lavender town. Nothing super strong, so please dont point to my prev reads on them being town as a reason not to yeet them later if they seem suspicious.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:07 am

Scirrus wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:33 am

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:36 pm I like Urist for town already lol

Like the tone and think that asking if he should wait to give out reads is more likely to come from town

Think the tone is NAI, hesitancy to give reads is probably slightly scummy if anything, but not majorly so (since it can also come from hesitant town that doesn't know anything and doesn't want to be wrong).

On the other hand, MP7 is town.

disagree because I think scum would be more hesitant to ask a scummy sounding question like that. Or would ask their teammates over the thread, etc.

If it's a scum question i think it would be newb scum and Urist doesn't strike me as a newb

I think M+ looks good so far, mostly bc of similarity to the last game I played with her. What are your thoughts?

MP7 is super pure. I think she's town.

I think the only heavily AI post MP7 has made is their reads list. The rest is pure politeness and niceness. Im like wondering if anyone can be that nice all the time in real life. it must be fake to get townread. tinfoil for now, but not tinfoil if it turns out to be true. You know, for post game cred.

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Think we are in setup C, so godfather, doublevoter, cop with N0 peek.



Mafia would have known which setup it was anyway if they had a GF and once double voter claims. Its also why mechanically Scirrius was the best kill, since it kills a confirm and there is no chance for a save.

If we DO have a doctor who didnt save scirrius, then just... we have different playstyles I guess.

I have a good idea who is going to claim cop here. I am waiting.

Rip Scirrus

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:39 pmI think the only heavily AI post MP7 has made is their reads list. The rest is pure politeness and niceness. Im like wondering if anyone can be that nice all the time in real life. it must be fake to get townread. tinfoil for now, but not tinfoil if it turns out to be true. You know, for post game cred.

I'm not really here, but wanted to just comment on this. MP is always super polite and nice, regardless of alignment. She's town in real life. Goals tbh

RIP Scirrus, you died.

If the cop has 2 checks still alive they should definitely claim. If they only have 1 they should claim if it's a red.

Clearly tutuu is mafia for suggesting that we confirm Scirrus

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:21 pm RIP Scirrus, you died.

If the cop has 2 checks still alive they should definitely claim. If they only have 1 they should claim if it's a red.

actually if the mafia have a godfather, it might not be worth claiming with 2 greens.
It brings the PoE to 8 with 2-3 mafia in that 8. Assuming the cop is killed tonight and a green is killed the following night, we have 1 non-goon in 7p. Which tbh is not that helpful unless it was someone who'd be banished otherwise.
But the n0 check is never the gf right? So that one is guaranteed. Hopefully it wasn't Nanook.
Whatever, use your own judgement.

Wait, just to check rules on here.

My understanding is N0 peek is same as all other cop checks. It doesnt trump GF role.

GF shows green on a cop check, but reveals as GF on death.

Mafia was created by Dimitri Davidoff in 1986. Since then, there have been tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands Mafia games played throughout the world, in IRL, Forums, Video, Voice chat and more.

From all of these millions, billions, and even trillions Mafia games, there has not been a single town who has been more towny than SCIRRUS has been this game. Take that scumread back and be ashamed of yourself, son.

Scirrus wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:49 pm Mafia was created by Dimitri Davidoff in 1986. Since then, there have been tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands Mafia games played throughout the world, in IRL, Forums, Video, Voice chat and more.

From all of these millions, billions, and even trillions Mafia games, there has not been a single town who has been more towny than SCIRRUS has been this game. Take that scumread back and be ashamed of yourself, son.

Spoiler: show

Good luck town! Get those baddies for me <3

Mafia was created by Dimitri Davidoff in 1986. Since then, there have been tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands Mafia games played throughout the world, in IRL, Forums, Video, Voice chat and more.

From all of these millions, billions, and even trillions Mafia games, there has not been a single town who has been more ashamed than I have been this game. I take my scumread back and am ashamed of myself, dad.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:06 pm @jeraldooo and @1612 What are your reads on each other? You know each other, right?

Eh Jeraldooo's first game in forum as well as mine so it's a lot different. I would say that generally we both coast more as mafia but this is in voice chat. I feel like when he is town he is very memey.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:48 pm Wait, just to check rules on here.

My understanding is N0 peek is same as all other cop checks. It doesnt trump GF role.

GF shows green on a cop check, but reveals as GF on death.

Cop w/ n0 peek -- Alignment investigator that can operate every night (can determine whether target player is civilian or mafia), also begins the game with a free randomized investigation on another civilian (n0 peek is never on a mafioso).

^ godfather can't be checked n0

Reading logs, I can't really find the time when Scirrus was pushed to soft/claim a pr. Did he even have any votes with traction?

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:57 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:48 pm Wait, just to check rules on here.

My understanding is N0 peek is same as all other cop checks. It doesnt trump GF role.

GF shows green on a cop check, but reveals as GF on death.

Cop w/ n0 peek -- Alignment investigator that can operate every night (can determine whether target player is civilian or mafia), also begins the game with a free randomized investigation on another civilian (n0 peek is never on a mafioso).

^ godfather can't be checked n0

nice

1612 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:02 pm Reading logs, I can't really find the time when Scirrus was pushed to soft/claim a pr. Did he even have any votes with traction?

think 3 votes.