Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:05 pm
I hope to see something from colin when I'm back. Too early to form a read but idk intuition says they might be scum?
How in the world could you possibly have “intuition” telling you anything about me with nearly zero posts
Poison scumming
Imagine calling poison a scum after playing with her in g9 and seeing the extremes of scumminess one can do. Lol. Anyways I see a lot of notifications from you, I'll be attending those. Oh btw!!!! Hello.. Also did you change your pfp to this one cause the other one never made others read you [mention]Samusamu[/mention] ? btw Herm is here as well ! And Master Radishes!! Hype!
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:36 pm[VOTE:
alison] aubergine sorry pal but I gotta sheep sprit
Colin, did I miss something? I see you're sheeping sprityo but isn't there anything about Alison you can point to and say scum?
I want to trust Alison but she’s firmly in the can’t-ever-fully-trust camp for me unfortunately.
Strangely phrased sentence. It's like you are afraid of saying something too jarring like "I can never trust her" so you preface it with a lamentation to take the edge off. This is a mafia phrasing.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:57 pm
I also think it's absolutely whack that Nanook has held the vote he cast on nutella and when I was reading that stupid soup conversation in realtime I felt like I was watching wolves yapping away together.
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:09 am
Mac is scared of my true power. you should be too.
town
I don't get this one. Why's this town?
sprityo has a particular energy when he's town and he sometimes gets misread for it but I tend to read him decently. idk if i can explain very well bc it's a tone thing but he's like... has this air of defiant confidence but sort of hesitant/self conscious on the surface
I think he is different from upick, but he was town there, although the confidence you are talking about I think he is tonally a bit confident but i see some sort of self awareness as well, if I was to compare those two, I think the first one can be maintained by a scum as well, while the latter is rarely townie. I'm not hard scum reading him atm, but I think I would look into them.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:11 pm
by Samusamu
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:15 pm
We have 29 pages of content but very little of it is influenced by wagon pressure so it's largely going to be NAI when you look for teammate indicative content. The mafia may be being forced to keep a steep pace but they aren't being forced to make plays.
+0,5 there are some vias to.see buddies.
For example poison not wanting to do pressure in scumlist of alise+tuutuu.
Another mostly empty ISO, but he does drop some reads, with minimal reasoning provided but at least something he can be held accountable for later
Underwhelming justification for a town lean I must say.
this. I townread wilgy and think there are reasons to do so but tim says none of them lol (mainly that he had some brazen against the grain reads)
What are your reasons?
his brazen against the grain reads and like his general tone, some of it is just memeyness but there's a real underlying enthusiasm/eagerness to really have his finger on the pulse of the game. wilgy is horny for solving
Another mostly empty ISO, but he does drop some reads, with minimal reasoning provided but at least something he can be held accountable for later
Underwhelming justification for a town lean I must say.
this. I townread wilgy and think there are reasons to do so but tim says none of them lol (mainly that he had some brazen against the grain reads)
What are your reasons?
his brazen against the grain reads and like his general tone, some of it is just memeyness but there's a real underlying enthusiasm/eagerness to really have his finger on the pulse of the game. wilgy is horny for solving
Well, the reads are why I have him as a town lean. I can't really speak with authority on his horniness. I think that might be fakable.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:24 pm
im tired so im just going to meme for today but ill kick into scumhunting mode tomorrow
Humm okey, lazyness is something townie but i gonna check if this is really true.
Up to this, can't see a real research, mafia credits to this dude.
did you not see my list of reads 2 pages ago?
Humm not missunderstand me, for me isnt the same doing scumhunting that doing list of reads, doing list of reads is something that also mafia do, scumhunting isnt easy for mafia to do.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:24 pm
im tired so im just going to meme for today but ill kick into scumhunting mode tomorrow
Humm okey, lazyness is something townie but i gonna check if this is really true.
Up to this, can't see a real research, mafia credits to this dude.
did you not see my list of reads 2 pages ago?
Humm not missunderstand me, for me isnt the same doing scumhunting that doing list of reads, doing list of reads is something that also mafia do, scumhunting isnt easy for mafia to do.
do u think i am not scumhunting?
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:19 pm
by Poison
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:04 pm guys we are townclearing too much people
Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:05 pm
I hope to see something from colin when I'm back. Too early to form a read but idk intuition says they might be scum?
How in the world could you possibly have “intuition” telling you anything about me with nearly zero posts
Poison scumming
Imagine calling poison a scum after playing with her in g9 and seeing the extremes of scumminess one can do. Lol. Anyways I see a lot of notifications from you, I'll be attending those. Oh btw!!!! Hello.. Also did you change your pfp to this one cause the other one never made others read you @Samusamu ? btw Herm is here as well ! And Master Radishes!! Hype!
I'm rational, a very one, meta is meta, you are a bad liar okey, but u are avoiding playing and fluffing.
Also dont see the poison who want to do some active research.
Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:05 pm
I hope to see something from colin when I'm back. Too early to form a read but idk intuition says they might be scum?
Colin being a bit slanky, especially at the start of the game, is hard NAI for him. Trust me, I've misexed him twice because of this.
I see thank you.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:25 pm
by Samusamu
Okey i'm up, but need to rest at.least 2or 3 hours before working, see ya later, can anybody meanwhile say me how to iso? I wanna.compare some poes with mine.
Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:05 pm
I hope to see something from colin when I'm back. Too early to form a read but idk intuition says they might be scum?
How in the world could you possibly have “intuition” telling you anything about me with nearly zero posts
Poison scumming
Imagine calling poison a scum after playing with her in g9 and seeing the extremes of scumminess one can do. Lol. Anyways I see a lot of notifications from you, I'll be attending those. Oh btw!!!! Hello.. Also did you change your pfp to this one cause the other one never made others read you @Samusamu ? btw Herm is here as well ! And Master Radishes!! Hype!
I'm rational, a very one, meta is meta, you are a bad liar okey, but u are avoiding playing and fluffing.
Also dont see the poison who want to do some active research.
But yes, its a pleasure to play with again
I think you are forgetting our day 1? When Holyflare called me and someone cuddly cause we were barely doing anything but fluffing and stuff? I chill in day 1. It's fun this way. And we play to have fun right? Dw dw you'll see me properly playing as we proceed in the game. ^^
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:21 pm
@nutella is there an MU-ism that amounts to ThEy’Re AvOiDiNg EnGaGeMeNt ??
frozen?? kinda?
Ok in that case poison is Elsa
Me? But I'm olaf!
Either way you’re frozen!
Am I though? I'm pretty sure when I'm frozen I'll be the lhfs.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:28 pm
by Timsup2nothin
Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:25 pm
Okey i'm up, but need to rest at.least 2or 3 hours before working, see ya later, can anybody meanwhile say me how to iso? I wanna.compare some poes with mine.
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:39 pm
i also don't really get what's going on with spirit and jpic? Maybe it's because I don't know their meta?
I really think the way sprityo attacked JPIC was super scummy and it's one of the major factors that would make JPIC trend up in my reads (I'm ambivalent about it atm because there are good reasons to scumread him too and he didn't really do anything when I tried to reach out to him and get him to show me his towniness).
It was like, sprityo gets pressured by Mac and questioned, and then he immediately redirects with "actually let's not talk about this, let's talk about your JPIC read, I thought that was interesting". And then when Mac challenges him to specify what he found interesting about the JPIC read, he flails for a bit and then lashes out at Mac ("everything you've said has been bollocks", "your case is only based on your own word" etc).
To me that reads as though sprityo is very uncomfortable with Mac's pressure and wants to divert attention to someone else he thinks Mac will scumread just as strongly, and perhaps even townread him for finding JPIC scummy. Could scum!sprityo bullshit some fake reason why the JPIC read was "interesting"? I don't know. But I do know that the two towny responses to pressure are either folding and just receding from the game (because you can't take it) or trying to argue/fight back and show why you're town/why the person pressuring you is misguided or scum. It isn't townie to just grab some random player that's widely scumread and try to use them as a human shield.
Madame that is a lie through and through there is no attack. I welcome you pressure me all you want but you’re going to find that I am town and you’re deeper in a tunnel than John Henry
Ngl, I like this attitude tbh. I think I can give you some town creds.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:51 am
Ted is playing scummy on purpose apparently lol.
Because that's what town do on day 1 coming off multiple scum rands...
I need to take a short break. I'm up to this post and just wanted to make a quick comment. I didn't have as strong a reaction about ted being mafia until I got to this post and another like it that tutuu posted. It doesn't make sense to me that ted would want to post scummy on Day 1 coming off other games where he randed scum. I don't understand that, @tedxtr maybe you could explain. If you already did thats fine, I'll get to it soon.
And then do I understand correctly that you voted tutuu in part because she read you as scum after you admitted that you were playing scummy? Maybe I misunderstood or maybe you've already addressed this too, if so I'll get to it.
I'll be gone for a bit and then come back and pick up where I left off.
Tbh I think he is barely scummy as scum D1. I have always mistaken him to be town. He does the necessary town works and stuff but I haven't seen him being exactly scummy you know.
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am
Okay, I'm convinced, sprit is scummy. I want you to tell me how that suddenly changed. I don't think we've ever played together for starters.
Specifically what persuaded me was the way sprit declined multiple opportunities to earn Mac's townread by saying "yeah I think Mac is scum for misreading me". Regardless of how accurate the meta tell is, I think town are generally a lot more likely to just be like "yeah, yeah, I'm town, here's what you want, now leave me alone so I can slank/solve/lead/whatever", whereas mafia tends to be naturally be inclined towards being more self-conscious and less likely to "blatantly" try to grab towncred because they're paranoid it looks bad or it could be a trap.This is hypothetical, what is normal means nothing and meta is a useless word to justify an agenda. What town cred am I trying to grab?
Naturally this doesn't apply if the scum player in question is good enough to do audacious things to get townread but sprit doesn't seem like a particularly audacious player so I'm just seeing this as scum. Audacious? hahahahAHAHAHA
Flimsy at best. Made even less solid given your sudden change in alignment. Then of course we got-
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am
Ok you're town
wow, this is your second bait and switch of the day
removing linki was a mistake
(I stand by my read though)
If your excuse would be youre just following mac and that now youre not because you've "developed your own opinion" it's still not enough to justify what youre trying to push. You couldnt go back either way after that big post because it would make you look bad. Yet you had to justify it with "i stand by my read though.
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:45 am[VOTE:
JPIC] aubergine
I'm sheeping my towncore.
side note unrelated to me and all my glory- Tutuu just says JPIC and FallenPrince are mafia with no backup. You only pushed this (ever so slightly) later
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:51 am
[???]
Colin
dyachei Fallen Prince
Long Con
Samusamu
[Mafia] JPIC sprityo
tedxtr
If you're just sheeping tutuu for reads then why's FP up in "???" ? TL;DR is telling me: lazy town applying logic to something unsubstantiated....at best. Or you're scum and making these loud bold statements on purpose to look good. since textwalls = town right? (no it doesnt)
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:00 am
Your "let's talk about JPIC" thing feels like an awkward attempt to redirect the subject to JPIC now (probably because JPIC is one of the people perceived to be scummier than you) that you've admitted there's actually nothing legitimate to talk about.
Also "Mac's reads are all wrong, Mac's case on JPIC is bullshit, but I'll go ahead and sheep Mac onto JPIC anyways" is super bad.
Also I don't think JPIC and sprityo can be wolf together now so I'm wrongly scumreading one of them.
Okay, here's something I will give you credit for. You're not wrong. I had just popped into thread, saw my name in Mac's mouth. Reacted. I was assuming something noteworthy had actually happened, but no it's day 1 where we all shout how ugly your christmas sweaters are and then you get locked in the closet for being not ugly enough. Second line is true, true, and true but why is it super bad? you just saying so doesnt make me believe anything. Finally a backpedal on the scum read just before. This post is really good at throwing shade and that's about it.
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am
Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?
/looking at powerwolfing article from thingy
*ahem*
Spirit is clearly a wolf. I see the wolves have no shame and once again are trying to get me mislynched like U-Pick. Disgraceful behaviour.
Do I feel optimistic about everyone townreading each other? Not really. My strongest townread is myself.
I feel like you're referencing something about that article but it's long and many parts of it could theoretically apply to this game so I'm going to need you to spell out what it is you mean exactly.
This post is good because Alison is trying to be "nice" to JPIC and win their trust so that she can bag more votes or at the least more negative attention to me. It makes her previous "IDK which is a wolf and which is town" even more odd. If she somehow changed her opinion of JPIC between her readwall and now why all the confusing text? If anything I think JPIC posted that article in reference to you or even mac because of how he was feeling
To summarize what I think about this post: There was no need for this post.
Two more posts just tunneling me in particular and then a bunch of non game relevant posts and then we get here:
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:39 pm
i also don't really get what's going on with spirit and jpic? Maybe it's because I don't know their meta?
I really think the way sprityo attacked JPIC was super scummy and it's one of the major factors that would make JPIC trend up in my reads (I'm ambivalent about it atm because there are good reasons to scumread him too and he didn't really do anything when I tried to reach out to him and get him to show me his towniness).
It was like, sprityo gets pressured by Mac and questioned, and then he immediately redirects with "actually let's not talk about this, let's talk about your JPIC read, I thought that was interesting". And then when Mac challenges him to specify what he found interesting about the JPIC read, he flails for a bit and then lashes out at Mac ("everything you've said has been bollocks", "your case is only based on your own word" etc).
To me that reads as though sprityo is very uncomfortable with Mac's pressure and wants to divert attention to someone else he thinks Mac will scumread just as strongly, and perhaps even townread him for finding JPIC scummy. Could scum!sprityo bullshit some fake reason why the JPIC read was "interesting"? I don't know. But I do know that the two towny responses to pressure are either folding and just receding from the game (because you can't take it) or trying to argue/fight back and show why you're town/why the person pressuring you is misguided or scum. It isn't townie to just grab some random player that's widely scumread and try to use them as a human shield.
Which I've already quoted and talked about. This is the same post as above im saying is just shade throwing, only with more wording. This is more a direct attempt to get a single person to have a bad image of myself starting off. I'm sure any regular who's been in a game with Mac and I and we always have this rivalry goin on. I recognize mac is a good player, better than myself in my opinion. And mac recognizes i am a good player but a easy mislynch/lynch depending on what team we're respectively on. To which I will say yes, I am afraid of mac. Now you know. This isn't new so go figure that this post is NAI
Aaaaaand That's all I really have. Let's wrap it up outside the spoiler:
Alison has been making a lot of posts about past games, mechanics kind of? and of course pushing me and really only me. I saw something about Odd and ted here and there but really nothing to support her town reads or her two scum reads. I think Alison is trying to be a deepwolf with minimal effort to be honest. As for who could be her partners I could definitely but down JPIC, Mac, Tutuu, and Hally as potential partners.
-JPIC for how she suddenly scum read them, then didnt, then tried to help them not be scumread
-Mac couldve just been sheeped but there's also the possibility of "lol watch me get sprit mislynched, i've done it before. Just follow my lead"
-Tutuu and Hally are similar to mac, could just be buddy buddy with them and not actually partners.
Was this "you are scum for scum reading me"? [mention]sprityo[/mention]
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 am
Town
Tutuu
MacDougall
OddMerta
MasterRadishes (sheeping Mac)
Towny (attempt to toneread, low confidence)
Dyachei
Hally
Nutella
Re: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!
I wanted to gut townread Dizzy and Tim too but I think it's cuz I like them and I wanna reach a bit more than I should. It's like, a bias that u have to keep in mind. Not blindly townread ur friends. (Obviously not to say the ppl I chose to gut townread aren't my friends! I just meant there is a bit more juice on there, imo!)
Do usually do visceral reads?
i guess?
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:47 pm
by tutuu
[mention]Justplayingitcool[/mention] 1610 is in 69 posts (nice)
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:19 am[VOTE:
ted] aubergine
This vote is couse alise meta scumreading ted?
Feels like pocketing.
wouldnt say she was meta scumreading him, i just thought it would be funny to constantly follow her vote and ted was being a sketchball at that time and for me
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:02 pm
Okay, samu is not the powerwolf Radiohead mafia deserves. So pure. Lock town
I'm ambivalent on Samu. He seems to be approaching this game in a very blunt way, which is >rand town in my experience. But I also don't like the way he throws out reads like they're obligatory rituals he has to do, without real conviction in them or followup. I could just be biasing the latter because he's halfway through catchup and doesn't have much chance to do a followup though. But compare to eg. Hally's read progressions/convictions during her catchup.
I think Samu is fairly towny this game, his approach is sort of similar to the game I played with him. And he is actually trying to scum hunt and questions around. Although it would be rather bold of me to call him town without seeing his mafia play, but I think he has an overall towny aura so far.
I'm concerned because he's been catching up that your read on him thinking about the rogue may not be as pertinent as it would be to a player who started on d0? It might still be fresh for samu
Hmm, I guess that theory makes sense.
*pouts* I'll sleep on it. Good night.
*pouts* this is ridiculously adorable WTF
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:04 am
by Poison
Okay so the whole Alison-Sprityo arc seemed to me rather t/t. I think I agree with Alison 's logic and points against him, although I do not like a few (e.g. the one where she said sprit is scummy cause he refused to scum/town read mac when Mac says he does scum/town read him as town.) but apart for a few I think I like their points.
Sprityo' s comebacks are rather very different than I remember in the only other game I played with them as town. Even so, Idk why but his tone and way of replying to Alison is rather very natural, bold and confident. If they do don't do power wolfing (I do not know his wolf meta can anyone tell me anything about it?) then I think he has towny posts and tone this game.
Tbh, I always feel like when I'm town and I know I'm town and someone is pushing me wrongly I often find it scummy as if they wants to frame me but those happen only in particular situations, and I end up tunneling them hard. although if I was to compare this to the current situation on Alison - sprityo (upto p24) I think they are probably t/t. Cause from their posts both of them seems pretty confident with their posts. I find it towny.
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:42 pm
1. Alison - carrot cake icecream
2. ColinIsCool - banana icecream with strawberry syrup
3. DrWilgy - chocolate chip cookie icecream
4. dyachei - melon icecream with a mint sprig
5. Dyslexicon - caramel icecream with salt and chocolate syrup
6. Fallen Prince - chocolate icecream with caramel syrup
7. Hally - blackberry icecream with fresh blackberries on top
8. Herm - lavender icecream
9. Justplayingitcool - coffee icecream
10. Long Con - cherry iceream
11. MacDougall - blue heaven icecream
12. Master Radishes - moon mist icecream
13. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - raspberry icecream mixed with vanilla
14. nutella - pistachio icecream
15. Oddmerta - neapolitan icecream
16. Poison Chan - bubblegum icecream (teal and pink colored)
17. Samusamu - vanilla icecream with white chocolate chunks
18. sprityo - blue moon icecream
19. staypositivefriend - starwberry icecream with strawberry syrup
20. tedxtr - coconut milk icecream
21. Timsup2nothin - mango icecream with pineapple syrup
22. tutuu - tutti frutti icecream
Wtf, okey, i have to tell u that u have a song.
Min 0:46
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO tysm
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:10 am
by Hally
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:39 pm
I vaguely recall Tim having a meta of being suspicious that people who push him early are wolves because he believes that wolves who don't know him well like to push him (because his tone sounds LHF-y to them or whatever) early. I don't know how true this is but I do recall that he genuinely believes this as town so I don't think his "I must smell like bait for wolves" stuff is AI.
this is true. he dunked a wolf in sf3 because they made a bad vote on him and he was correctly convinced it made them a wolf
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:11 am
by Poison
A quick read list : [based on p 24]
Towns :
Alison
Master Radishes
Town leans :
Samu
Sprityo
Tutuu [sheeping Alison, hally (although I do not have any reads on them) ]
Mac (I think I'm biased with this to some extent since more or less everyone is calling them town and in my head that kinda fixed in, I do not know how to proceed with this read independeny as of the moment)
Null :
Ted
JPIC
Nanook
scummy: [ will talk about them separately after having my breakfast]
Dizzy
Dya
Odd
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:12 am
by tutuu
[mention]Samusamu[/mention] btw i dont think there is a rule that u need to only speak in English. I would be completely OK with using google translate from spanish to english if you wanna make some spanish posts from time to time for the times you wanna make sure you express yourself fully and get your point across!
btw Herm is here as well ! And Master Radishes!! Hype!
you should be too.
and like his general tone, some of it is just memeyness but there's a real underlying enthusiasm/eagerness to really have his finger on the pulse of the game. wilgy is horny for solving
guys 
hahahahAHAHAHA
so go figure that this post is NAI