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Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
by ejjinami
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:32 pm Hyena's claim on Creature has like a 2% chance of being real or some shit, that's just so ridiculous. Hyena's check on creature also is next to necessary because he is dying today and they still don't know the seer (evidenced by Kami kill)/the seer still being alive is really bad for them. The only question is if Creature could have possibly claimed seer with his checks becuase it might be weird Hyena did instead of him

There is also the fact nanooks checks are town and the players have been towny, while Hyena checks are town but creature is acting scummy
…why not vote creature then????

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
by Hyena
Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:51 pm
Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:48 pm I'm hardclaiming cop.

N1-Creature v
N2-Luckbox v
N3-MissSparkles v

I want Nanook's head on a platter.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
{Nanook, Esooa, Deli, fingersplints, Ejji} are the people outside of my checks. I do NOT trust Nanook or Esooa anymore. I trust Ejji the most out of the five. We just need to solve between Deli and fingersplints I feel like.
So, here's the deal. As annoyed as I am about Nanook and Esooa, there's still one more mafia between the remaining three in the group I posted above. Is it just Deli? I highly doubt it's Ejji.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:40 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm Hyena’s chrcks make more sense then Nook’s tbh.

Nook’s basically checked all the obvious town bar myself and didn’t help narrow POE whatsoever
Fingers was assigned and your slot was hard poe when I checked it lol

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm
by Hyena
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm Hyena’s chrcks make more sense then Nook’s tbh.

Nook’s basically checked all the obvious town bar myself and didn’t help narrow POE whatsoever
Which is funny because he stated that he had checked KZA because he wanted to narrow the POE.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm
by Esooa
Creature wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm I'm saying because there's no way creature is town there's no way your town check is right
There's a way if you get out of your tunnel
do you think I care what you think about my read lol

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm
by Esooa
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:32 pm Hyena's claim on Creature has like a 2% chance of being real or some shit, that's just so ridiculous. Hyena's check on creature also is next to necessary because he is dying today and they still don't know the seer (evidenced by Kami kill)/the seer still being alive is really bad for them. The only question is if Creature could have possibly claimed seer with his checks becuase it might be weird Hyena did instead of him

There is also the fact nanooks checks are town and the players have been towny, while Hyena checks are town but creature is acting scummy
…why not vote creature then????
there's a fucking cc bruh

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 pm
by ejjinami
Creature wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm I'm saying because there's no way creature is town there's no way your town check is right
There's a way if you get out of your tunnel
what are your reads on deli and finger

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 pm
by ejjinami
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:32 pm Hyena's claim on Creature has like a 2% chance of being real or some shit, that's just so ridiculous. Hyena's check on creature also is next to necessary because he is dying today and they still don't know the seer (evidenced by Kami kill)/the seer still being alive is really bad for them. The only question is if Creature could have possibly claimed seer with his checks becuase it might be weird Hyena did instead of him

There is also the fact nanooks checks are town and the players have been towny, while Hyena checks are town but creature is acting scummy
…why not vote creature then????
there's a fucking cc bruh
???????????????

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:36 pm Also pissed isn't the same as basically ghosting
I mean if i’m pissed, im gonna leave the thread otherwise i’ll more then likely get banned.
Meh ghosting and putting absolute minimal effort in is also the scum move to make so

I was ready to rescind as soon as they raged or (preferably) kept playing, they did neither and went the same route thats optimal for scum, so I held it.

You can scold me all you want im not going to suddenly have regrets

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:43 pm
by MissSparkles
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:40 pm
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm Hyena’s chrcks make more sense then Nook’s tbh.

Nook’s basically checked all the obvious town bar myself and didn’t help narrow POE whatsoever
Fingers was assigned and your slot was hard poe when I checked it lol
Ok fair, why Esoa?

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:43 pm
by Esooa
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:32 pm Hyena's claim on Creature has like a 2% chance of being real or some shit, that's just so ridiculous. Hyena's check on creature also is next to necessary because he is dying today and they still don't know the seer (evidenced by Kami kill)/the seer still being alive is really bad for them. The only question is if Creature could have possibly claimed seer with his checks becuase it might be weird Hyena did instead of him

There is also the fact nanooks checks are town and the players have been towny, while Hyena checks are town but creature is acting scummy
…why not vote creature then????
there's a fucking cc bruh
???????????????
Hyena and nanook are both claiming cop

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:43 pm
by MissSparkles
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:32 pm Hyena's claim on Creature has like a 2% chance of being real or some shit, that's just so ridiculous. Hyena's check on creature also is next to necessary because he is dying today and they still don't know the seer (evidenced by Kami kill)/the seer still being alive is really bad for them. The only question is if Creature could have possibly claimed seer with his checks becuase it might be weird Hyena did instead of him

There is also the fact nanooks checks are town and the players have been towny, while Hyena checks are town but creature is acting scummy
…why not vote creature then????
there's a fucking cc bruh
LOL

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:44 pm
by ejjinami
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:43 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:32 pm Hyena's claim on Creature has like a 2% chance of being real or some shit, that's just so ridiculous. Hyena's check on creature also is next to necessary because he is dying today and they still don't know the seer (evidenced by Kami kill)/the seer still being alive is really bad for them. The only question is if Creature could have possibly claimed seer with his checks becuase it might be weird Hyena did instead of him

There is also the fact nanooks checks are town and the players have been towny, while Hyena checks are town but creature is acting scummy
…why not vote creature then????
there's a fucking cc bruh
???????????????
Hyena and nanook are both claiming cop
lol

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:44 pm
by Creature
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:41 pm
Creature wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm I'm saying because there's no way creature is town there's no way your town check is right
There's a way if you get out of your tunnel
do you think I care what you think about my read lol
Guess not because you don't care about winning

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:45 pm
by MissSparkles
Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:51 pm
Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:48 pm I'm hardclaiming cop.

N1-Creature v
N2-Luckbox v
N3-MissSparkles v

I want Nanook's head on a platter.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
{Nanook, Esooa, Deli, fingersplints, Ejji} are the people outside of my checks. I do NOT trust Nanook or Esooa anymore. I trust Ejji the most out of the five. We just need to solve between Deli and fingersplints I feel like.
So, here's the deal. As annoyed as I am about Nanook and Esooa, there's still one more mafia between the remaining three in the group I posted above. Is it just Deli? I highly doubt it's Ejji.
Fingers is town

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:45 pm
by Luckbox Inc
Hyena,
Why peek Sparkles last night? Or me on N1 for that matter-- as we were both pretty villagery.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:45 pm
by Creature
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 pm
Creature wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Esooa wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm I'm saying because there's no way creature is town there's no way your town check is right
There's a way if you get out of your tunnel
what are your reads on deli and finger
Both can go tbh

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:45 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:40 pm
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:38 pm Hyena’s chrcks make more sense then Nook’s tbh.

Nook’s basically checked all the obvious town bar myself and didn’t help narrow POE whatsoever
Fingers was assigned and your slot was hard poe when I checked it lol
Ok fair, why Esoa?
Too many poe are town for there not to be a deeper mafia, esooa a) wasn't likely to die without a check if she's mafia and b) more likely to die without a green check if she's town

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:46 pm
by MissSparkles
Well we can just let scum kill the real cop and yeet the fake tomorrow

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:47 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:46 pm Well we can just let scum kill the real cop and yeet the fake tomorrow
If we kill town today we're at f7 KILO tomorrow

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:47 pm
by Luckbox Inc
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:46 pm Well we can just let scum kill the real cop and yeet the fake tomorrow
I'm barely sure we can. If they just choose to not kill the seer we could be in a tough spot with that tomorrow

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:49 pm
by MissSparkles
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:47 pm
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:46 pm Well we can just let scum kill the real cop and yeet the fake tomorrow
If we kill town today we're at f7 KILO tomorrow
I’m aware, just a thought. Yeeting the cop gives us 3 clears heading into tomorrow. Me being cleared on both your lists.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm
by MissSparkles
Let’s say we yeet away from creature/luck/myself/fingers/esoa and the two cops, who does thst leave? Deli snd Eli?

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm
by ejjinami
…let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.

and honestly, IF no one rescinds, I’d be tempted to just yeet hyena just because of the night kill. This play would make sense coming from scum if they’re desperate and failed at killing the real cop tonight
and I can’t think of a single reason how kami would have been killed if the mafia didn’t think she was the cop

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm
by Hyena
Luckbox Inc wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:45 pm Hyena,
Why peek Sparkles last night? Or me on N1 for that matter-- as we were both pretty villagery.
What I saw when I was in the thread during D2 was Syn getting called scummy a lot (at least when people weren't calling Creature scum). For a while, all the teams people were posting included both Syn and Creature. Yes, I had felt that Syn, then later Sparkles, were kinda towny, but 1.) I wasn't super confident in the read, and 2.) It didn't seem anybody listened to me whenever I did say they were towny.

As for checking you, I already explained it to Esooa. It was a poor decision on my part. I got worried when you mentioned not feeling sure about either of Esooa or Alison after you told me I wasn't crazy for wanting to chop one of them D1, so I just went with my gut and checked you.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 pm
by ejjinami
another solution would be just waiting it out
letting the cops get checks and killing outside of them

If the mafia want to let the real cop live- GREAT!

I’d probably have to check how many mis-lynches we have left before we lose tho

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:55 pm
by Creature
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 pm another solution would be just waiting it out
letting the cops get checks and killing outside of them

If the mafia want to let the real cop live- GREAT!

I’d probably have to check how many mis-lynches we have left before we lose tho
Only one free mislynch

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm
by MissSparkles
If nook is town cop why didn’t scum not kill hik? Unless they thought countering after a red peek would be enough snd tbh that would be true

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm
by ejjinami
hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:58 pm
by MissSparkles
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm …let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.

and honestly, IF no one rescinds, I’d be tempted to just yeet hyena just because of the night kill. This play would make sense coming from scum if they’re desperate and failed at killing the real cop tonight
and I can’t think of a single reason how kami would have been killed if the mafia didn’t think she was the cop
Dude, ONE OF THEM IS SCUM, nobody is faking anymore. Signs point to hyena honestly bcz it’s the only thing that makes sense as a scum play tbh

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:59 pm
by ejjinami
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm If nook is town cop why didn’t scum not kill hik? Unless they thought countering after a red peek would be enough snd tbh that would be true
because kami claimed a red check on creature and nanook was a confirmed liar
I genuinely see no other explanation

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:59 pm
by ejjinami
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:58 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm …let me say one thing, this is not the right time to go around claiming peeks on players in the PoE
if hyena is the cop, nanook HAS TO rescind. This is not up to discussion.
if he doesn’t and is vanilla, I genuinely hope he gets banned, removed from this site and as many others as humanly possible.

If there is 1 scum among those 2, this needs to be clear.

and honestly, IF no one rescinds, I’d be tempted to just yeet hyena just because of the night kill. This play would make sense coming from scum if they’re desperate and failed at killing the real cop tonight
and I can’t think of a single reason how kami would have been killed if the mafia didn’t think she was the cop
Dude, ONE OF THEM IS SCUM, nobody is faking anymore. Signs point to hyena honestly bcz it’s the only thing that makes sense as a scum play tbh
yuuup, agree here

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:00 pm
by ejjinami
lol, if hyena is scum here it seems that I can’t read them after all
that’s… kinda disappointing

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
by MissSparkles
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:59 pm
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm If nook is town cop why didn’t scum not kill hik? Unless they thought countering after a red peek would be enough snd tbh that would be true
because kami claimed a red check on creature and nanook was a confirmed liar
I genuinely see no other explanation
You can say faking that red peek was smart if he’s the cop csuse scum wouldn’t kill him, they’d CC and hope town is pissed is enough to get rid of him

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
by Creature
Let me guess:

Both are fakeclaiming cop

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
by Luckbox Inc
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:00 pm lol, if hyena is scum here it seems that I can’t read them after all
that’s… kinda disappointing
I'm sad too and don't even know him.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
by Hyena
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much
Kami had a fake green check on Nanook, too. Between that and the red check on Creature, who A LOT of people are scumreading, killing Kami is a good way to redirect attention away from Nanook. I had no control over the Creature check. That was my n0 check.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
by Esooa
I figured Hyena was mafia Q.Q

I wouldn't have sheeped you yesterday on that though if I knew KZA wasn't actually fucking red checked

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
by MissSparkles
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:00 pm lol, if hyena is scum here it seems that I can’t read them after all
that’s… kinda disappointing
You’re gonna be wrong more often then right, it’s whatever.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:02 pm
by MissSparkles
Creature wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm Let me guess:

Both are fakeclaiming cop
Talk to me about this. Who’s the real cop then? You?

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm
by Luckbox Inc
Who are the people here we know Nanook best?

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm
by ejjinami
Creature wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm Let me guess:

Both are fakeclaiming cop
fun fact: in that case hyena would still be scummy
that would mean that they fake-claimed in order to get the only remaining cop-claimant eliminated
the agenda behind it doesn’t change

town just doesn’t do that imo

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm
by Luckbox Inc
*who

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm
by ejjinami
or like… not hyena

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm
by MissSparkles
Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much
Kami had a fake green check on Nanook, too. Between that and the red check on Creature, who A LOT of people are scumreading, killing Kami is a good way to redirect attention away from Nanook. I had no control over the Creature check. That was my n0 check.
If the green check is fake they knew Kami wasn’t cop, try again.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:04 pm
by Creature
Hyena wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:57 pm hyena… I don’t believe your checks make sense either
and that comes from a person who had you as lock town before. It really doesn’t matter how you explain it, why the absolute heck would kami be killed if creature was town?
if that’s a fake claim, holy crap you’re mis-playing so much
Kami had a fake green check on Nanook, too. Between that and the red check on Creature, who A LOT of people are scumreading, killing Kami is a good way to redirect attention away from Nanook. I had no control over the Creature check. That was my n0 check.
As much as I would love to be copcleared I think you slipped not cop.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:04 pm
by MissSparkles
Luckbox Inc wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm Who are the people here we know Nanook best?
I mean we’ve played together like 4 times.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:04 pm
by Esooa
Luckbox Inc wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm Who are the people here we know Nanook best?
hi

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:05 pm
by Creature
MissSparkles wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:02 pm
Creature wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm Let me guess:

Both are fakeclaiming cop
Talk to me about this. Who’s the real cop then? You?
I dunno. Not willing to tell.

Re: Lasagna Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:06 pm
by Creature
ejjinami wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:03 pm
Creature wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm Let me guess:

Both are fakeclaiming cop
fun fact: in that case hyena would still be scummy
that would mean that they fake-claimed in order to get the only remaining cop-claimant eliminated
the agenda behind it doesn’t change

town just doesn’t do that imo
Yeah I think we just policy the liars