The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:35 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:30 pmJust trying to get a sense as to where your head is at.

If you were rethinking Alison as possible town, you should be worried about her legacy if you're town.
Worried how? Her read on me is a stupid ass tunnel and she's been dismissing me at every point. That is what I think if Alison is town.

What is your thought on the Belzy/Bo wagon btw?

Alison is a very good player, and if she flips town, I think a lot of people will follow her reads. Her reads say to turbo you. Of course, if you're scum you're worried about this, but if you're town, you should also be worried about this if you are starting to think Alison is town... but you seem to not want to admit you're worried about this, which worries me.

I think BK has been a whole lot of nothing today. Erika I don't remember much from, but nothing pinged me. I'm not super interested in the wagon, but BK is definitely someone I need to see more from soon or I will be super interested in that wagon tomorrow.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:35 pm**

Here now, snoozed my alarm which was dumb.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:37 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:35 pm Here now, snoozed my alarm which was dumb.

Good to see you. I don't think Axe is a good vote.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:37 pm**

Progression on Alison last night to half-dead Ender was:
Reading back and realising she posted that Dizzy/Esooa would be the two people she'd N1 because they have best chance of catching scum game.
Esooa N1.
Her play looks almost too similar to last town game I shared with her where she open fossed someone then pushed another person. It was interrupted in that game by Gaviel but it seemed very close in that way. This is why I townread her earlier and why I started to be unsure because it's almost like copy-paste if that makes sense?

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:38 pm**

I don't think Axe is a good vote either now. The fucker got me to townread him. That's actually what started my re-eval last night because I got to too much town.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:38 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:38 pm I don't think Axe is a good vote either now. The fucker got me to townread him. That's actually what started my re-eval last night because I got to too much town.

Then why are you voting Axe?

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:39 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:35 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:30 pmJust trying to get a sense as to where your head is at.

If you were rethinking Alison as possible town, you should be worried about her legacy if you're town.
Worried how? Her read on me is a stupid ass tunnel and she's been dismissing me at every point. That is what I think if Alison is town.

What is your thought on the Belzy/Bo wagon btw?
Alison is a very good player, and if she flips town, I think a lot of people will follow her reads. Her reads say to turbo you. Of course, if you're scum you're worried about this, but if you're town, you should also be worried about this if you are starting to think Alison is town... but you seem to not want to admit you're worried about this, which worries me.

I think BK has been a whole lot of nothing today. Erika I don't remember much from, but nothing pinged me. I'm not super interested in the wagon, but BK is definitely someone I need to see more from soon or I will be super interested in that wagon tomorrow.

I already talked at length about me/Alison both being town world is bad and potentially game losing tbh. Of course that is worrying me. It is not in my power to get Alison out of her tunnel if she is town though.

What do you think about my reasons for town reading Erika?

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:40 pm**

To elaborate, last night I was in the position of:
Towncore:
Lu Ren

Probably Town:
Alison
Seanzie
Belzy/BoKnows
NotAnAxehole

Deep Wolf:
Grogu/Syn/Mac

Soft town:
fingersplints
Luckbox Inc
falcon45ca
Dyslexicon

Debating on my read:
TonyStarkPrime
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

EnderWiggin

Which is NOT a sustainable POE. I have SOMETHING wrong. Easiest thing to review:
Dizzy/Alison t/t concept

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:40 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:38 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:38 pm I don't think Axe is a good vote either now. The fucker got me to townread him. That's actually what started my re-eval last night because I got to too much town.
Then why are you voting Axe?

Because I left it there last night being confused and haven't worked out where to vote yet.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:41 pm**

Alison being town is bad for the game no matter if she flips or not fmpov. So could just flip her, because I would hate for her to get away with what she's been doing if she's mafia.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:42 pm**

Start analysis:
BoKnows is likely not scum.

Dizzy defends hard with a townread due to knowing the slot, which I know they do. w/w equity?

But then why townread it so hard.

Maybe w/w shielding but going after them before Dizzy seems weak.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:42 pm**

Sorry guys in laws arrived for the week and football. What’d I miss

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:42 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:35 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:30 pmJust trying to get a sense as to where your head is at.

If you were rethinking Alison as possible town, you should be worried about her legacy if you're town.
Worried how? Her read on me is a stupid ass tunnel and she's been dismissing me at every point. That is what I think if Alison is town.

What is your thought on the Belzy/Bo wagon btw?
Alison is a very good player, and if she flips town, I think a lot of people will follow her reads. Her reads say to turbo you. Of course, if you're scum you're worried about this, but if you're town, you should also be worried about this if you are starting to think Alison is town... but you seem to not want to admit you're worried about this, which worries me.

I think BK has been a whole lot of nothing today. Erika I don't remember much from, but nothing pinged me. I'm not super interested in the wagon, but BK is definitely someone I need to see more from soon or I will be super interested in that wagon tomorrow.
I already talked at length about me/Alison both being town world is bad and potentially game losing tbh. Of course that is worrying me. It is not in my power to get Alison out of her tunnel if she is town though.

What do you think about my reasons for town reading Erika?

You mentioned her joking around and stuff on a new forum? Sure. idk Erika well enough to say how she'd act on a new forum. She has played a few games here by now though. I'd have to ISO her to really say anything more intelligible, and since it is 19 minutes to EoD, idk if that is going to happen right now. If you and I both agree that BK is not a good wagon, why do you want to talk about Erika right now?

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:43 pm**

Probably Town:
Lu Ren
Seanzie
Belzy/BoKnows

Soft town:
NotAnAxehole
Luckbox Inc
falcon45ca

Debating on my read:
TonyStarkPrime
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Light Scum:
fingersplints
Grogu/Syn/Mac

Scum:
Dyslexicon or Alison
EnderWiggin

This is where I got to last night. I'm not feeling good about Mac Slank tbh. Why has that been ignored so much?

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:44 pm**

If Dizzy/Alison stays around another day I'm worried it ruins thread health further with distraction from holistic analysis tbh.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:44 pm**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:42 pm Sorry guys in laws arrived for the week and football. What’d I miss

You should vote someone other than Axe.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:42 pmYou mentioned her joking around and stuff on a new forum? Sure. idk Erika well enough to say how she'd act on a new forum. She has played a few games here by now though. I'd have to ISO her to really say anything more intelligible, and since it is 19 minutes to EoD, idk if that is going to happen right now. If you and I both agree that BK is not a good wagon, why do you want to talk about Erika right now?

Because I wasn't sure about your stance.

And I was hoping if you did town read Belzy, more people than me knowing her and vouching for her would mean something, cause it doesn't seem like people are interested in listening to me. Probably because Alison says I'm bad.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm**

Ok so looks like Alison and bo each three. My gut still says Alison town, so I’d probably prefer bo but I don’t know if this Alison suspicion is going to monopolise every day might be better to just get it over with

Can someone quickly summarise points on bo sorry

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm**

Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm**

Also who is Erika

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:46 pm**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Also who is Erika

Belzy is Erika

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:46 pm**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Ok so looks like Alison and bo each three. My gut still says Alison town, so I’d probably prefer bo but I don’t know if this Alison suspicion is going to monopolise every day might be better to just get it over with

Can someone quickly summarise points on bo sorry

They're doing shit all tbh.

That's the read.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:46 pm**

I am not used to being this unsure about my PoE/slots.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:46 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:44 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:42 pm Sorry guys in laws arrived for the week and football. What’d I miss
You should vote someone other than Axe.

Where to vote is what I’m trying to figure out

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:47 pm**

Which suggests I was townreading at least one deep wolf hard. I want to say that's Alison but I might have constructed the Alison Wolf world and not looking outside it.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:48 pm**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Ok so looks like Alison and bo each three. My gut still says Alison town, so I’d probably prefer bo but I don’t know if this Alison suspicion is going to monopolise every day might be better to just get it over with

Can someone quickly summarise points on bo sorry

I don't think anyone has made any? They are lackluster for sure, but not directly scummy. If you can find a post by them, their ISO is only like 10 posts long. They mostly focused on Alison, and then haven't posted for most of the day.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:48 pm**

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine Not set on this but putting a vote up.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:48 pm**

Ok thank you all

I’m not sure lack of participation warrants a vote. I’ve seen bo play a pretty solid scum game so I don’t think low activity is necessarily indicative there

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:48 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:44 pm If Dizzy/Alison stays around another day I'm worried it ruins thread health further with distraction from holistic analysis tbh.

This true. I'm staying on Alison.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:50 pm**

And how did people settle on bo who replaced in over someone like tsp who also hasn’t contributed a lot

(Unless tsp started contributing a ton when I wasn’t around today)

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:50 pm And how did people settle on bo who replaced in over someone like tsp who also hasn’t contributed a lot

(Unless tsp started contributing a ton when I wasn’t around today)

TSP has not contributed a lot. Idk why it is BK over TSP.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm**

TSP hasn't contributed a lot.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.

Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:52 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:10 pm I still think Dizzy is the best exe here. Highest scum equity, 3/4 in my POE (TSP/Nook/Bo) has partner equity with him, and if he flips town you just flip me after to confirm it's T/T and then Mac/Ender are basically outed.
I hate part of this analysis.

It's basically "Chop Dizzy and then lynch the three biggest town pushers".

If Dizzy flips green, which I'm not convinced they won't, it flips one of my upper townreads, myself, and maybe one deep wolf. I'm not sold on Mac being towny tbh, he buddied me hard as w last time and so I'm paranoid there.

But like, either way that's 3/1 probably and removing two people I'd like to keep around for town (Myself/Alison)

Btw this is the list of people I was referring to in my "chop Ender/Mac/Dizzy/Alison" thing.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:52 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.
Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.

You were afk most of yesterday afternoon but okay.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:53 pm**

Mac has one post in the last 12 hours and the one before that is 15 hours ago.

But he's been sleeping.

Right right.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:54 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:32 pm Is the thread seriously dead for EoD again?
See, why ya gotta go and make wolfy posts like this?

this is falcony

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:54 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.
Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.

You made like 50 posts in the first 12 hours of the day, and like 15 since. Have you been sleeping for 36 hours straight?

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:54 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.
Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.
You were afk most of yesterday afternoon but okay.

You really think volume is a tell for me? You just wolfed with me and I 300 posted d1. Opportunistic as fuck.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:54 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.
Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.
You made like 50 posts in the first 12 hours of the day, and like 15 since. Have you been sleeping for 36 hours straight?

For a lot of it yes. The rest of the time I was mostly binge watching Daredevil and Defenders.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm**

The wolf game before that you hard slanked.

It's not really AI but kinda weird that you're here now I point it out.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:50 pm And how did people settle on bo who replaced in over someone like tsp who also hasn’t contributed a lot

(Unless tsp started contributing a ton when I wasn’t around today)
TSP has not contributed a lot. Idk why it is BK over TSP.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm TSP hasn't contributed a lot.

Ok well I voted for tsp

I’d be curious to hear from the three who voted bo what their points on bo are and why over tsp

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.
Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.

I mean, the vote on Alison is a scum claim, but I couldn't see a way to kill him today. Not enough votes.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm**

Albeit EOD

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:54 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.
Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.
You were afk most of yesterday afternoon but okay.
You really think volume is a tell for me? You just wolfed with me and I 300 posted d1. Opportunistic as fuck.

Is it that you were sleeping or is it that volume isn't a tell for you?

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm**

If Alison is mafia:

- Lu Ren probably not mafia, but don't give them a free pass. I do think how she's handled Alison is a bit too much for teammates though.
- Wouldn't clear either of Nanook or Ender tbh. Actually maybe would clear Nanook, but depends on his D1 (which I don't remember.) I don't know if Axe is a busser, but probably not teamed from how Alison treats him also.
- TSP and Mac both possibilities.
- My notes says Fingers piggy backed Alison so maybe not teamed, but I'm not sure how strong that is. Probably not very.
- Lucky cleared, too weird interactions if teammates.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm**

Oh look everyone it's open scum Seanzie here to put his 2c in. Well talking to me costs 3c nerd so get the fick out of here.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:56 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:54 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.
Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.
You were afk most of yesterday afternoon but okay.
You really think volume is a tell for me? You just wolfed with me and I 300 posted d1. Opportunistic as fuck.
Is it that you were sleeping or is it that volume isn't a tell for you?

how bout both

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:57 pm**

I do not feel good about this at all. If my sudden feel on Mac is right then Alison probably town he was shielding/pocketing.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:57 pm**

Mac, thoughts on wagons?

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