well if he is its either you or ilario or neitherEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:44 pm Honestly if Dyson red then I wanna say ilario could be scum.
Honestly, if Dyson flips red and you want to jail me after feel free. I'm happy to be cleared going into endgame.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:45 pmwell if he is its either you or ilario or neitherEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:44 pm Honestly if Dyson red then I wanna say ilario could be scum.
I mean that worksEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:48 pmHonestly, if Dyson flips red and you want to jail me after feel free. I'm happy to be cleared going into endgame.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:45 pmwell if he is its either you or ilario or neitherEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:44 pm Honestly if Dyson red then I wanna say ilario could be scum.
“We”Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:33 pmSo….why are Jack and Tony so opinionated about misyeets that we decided to yeet a wolf? :wowee:Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:29 pmHe was aiming for a Falcon ML but TSP didn’t want that and wanted a LC ML but Jack didn’t want to vote LC with TSP because it’d look sus so he voted Sean who he stated he had previous suspicion on.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:27 pmIf its TSP and Jack you need to reconcile why Jack killed Seanzie day one with me if you want me to believe youGavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:20 pmMhm indeed.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:17 pmYou know what?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:16 pmYeah, I don't see it as overly helpful to town. I can jail someone such that they aren't able to participate in the game for a round, can't vote and can't be voted for.
I don't see that as helpful to town really
I'm actually agreeing with some other people.
Falcon town.
I’m telling you it’s TSP and Jack.
Or you can choose me.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:53 pmI mean that worksEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:48 pmHonestly, if Dyson flips red and you want to jail me after feel free. I'm happy to be cleared going into endgame.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:45 pmwell if he is its either you or ilario or neitherEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:44 pm Honestly if Dyson red then I wanna say ilario could be scum.
Then we keep playing Mafia and find out.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:41 pm the point is if dyson's doing this as a wolf where's his wolf buddy? where would his wolf buddy be usually? and we find out information about this by observing nks etc
How do we know Dyson isn’t some other weird role?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:14 pmThen we keep playing Mafia and find out.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:41 pm the point is if dyson's doing this as a wolf where's his wolf buddy? where would his wolf buddy be usually? and we find out information about this by observing nks etc
I'm not at all concerned about the lynch after next tbh. 1 flip at a time fellas
We. Me and Tony. Your proposed wolfteam.Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:12 pm“We”Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:33 pmSo….why are Jack and Tony so opinionated about misyeets that we decided to yeet a wolf? :wowee:Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:29 pmHe was aiming for a Falcon ML but TSP didn’t want that and wanted a LC ML but Jack didn’t want to vote LC with TSP because it’d look sus so he voted Sean who he stated he had previous suspicion on.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:27 pmIf its TSP and Jack you need to reconcile why Jack killed Seanzie day one with me if you want me to believe youGavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:20 pmMhm indeed.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:17 pmYou know what?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:16 pm
Yeah, I don't see it as overly helpful to town. I can jail someone such that they aren't able to participate in the game for a round, can't vote and can't be voted for.
I don't see that as helpful to town really
I'm actually agreeing with some other people.
Falcon town.
I’m telling you it’s TSP and Jack.
“We”
I’m sorry, what?
Why would Dyson flipping wolf clear 3 other players? You don't think he may have snuck in a teammate?Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:16 pmHow do we know Dyson isn’t some other weird role?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:14 pmThen we keep playing Mafia and find out.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:41 pm the point is if dyson's doing this as a wolf where's his wolf buddy? where would his wolf buddy be usually? and we find out information about this by observing nks etc
I'm not at all concerned about the lynch after next tbh. 1 flip at a time fellas
We don’t, so it’s best to get rid of him to clear 3 other players.
Why would you look to find 3 town players?Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:20 pmNo, I had to target 3 players and the result would say either fail = all 3 are town, or not fail = at least one of them not town. But since the result said fail, I interpret this data meaning that those 3 players are town.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:04 pmDoes it just list 3 town?Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:03 pm I had a special ability that I could only use in night 2. I used it and I learned that ilario, Rondo and Scotty are town. Wow, what a quality post this is. Everybody, you're welcome.The role card didn't provide a name, it was just a text box without a title.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:05 pmA) what is the name of this ability and B) why did you check these 3?Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:03 pm I had a special ability that I could only use in night 2. I used it and I learned that ilario, Rondo and Scotty are town. Wow, what a quality post this is. Everybody, you're welcome.
Because I was looking to find three town players, so I targeted the three whom I had the most interactions with. And the result hopefully means they're town.
Which means, if you can believe me, that the four of us are confirmed town. If you still lynch me, I will flip town, so you will have proof that what I said was honest.
If someone of those three flips, they will be town. If they were mafia, that would mean my action was broken. I guess. But it's probably correct as I laid out.
Because if falcon goes over, jack led that charge, and it’s one of those “did you see what she was wearing- She was practically asking for it” justifications comes out. Easy to blame elsewhere but himself.
It’s important to note that if LC is bad, his reads seem to come from an organic place. He added to another low wagon and garnered support there and didn’t just pop onto Rondo. Smart play.
Now LC knows he can’t vote Rondo here without being suspicious, and he himself is tied for lead chop. He didn’t have to switch away from falcon. That’s the biggest hang up you could have with LC being scum at all, but opportunity is fleeting and the end of day was a bit manic.
I think he's tmiing dyson town tbhfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:31 pmWhy would Dyson flipping wolf clear 3 other players? You don't think he may have snuck in a teammate?Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:16 pmHow do we know Dyson isn’t some other weird role?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:14 pmThen we keep playing Mafia and find out.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:41 pm the point is if dyson's doing this as a wolf where's his wolf buddy? where would his wolf buddy be usually? and we find out information about this by observing nks etc
I'm not at all concerned about the lynch after next tbh. 1 flip at a time fellas
We don’t, so it’s best to get rid of him to clear 3 other players.
This is also possible.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:45 pm It could actually be Dyson/ilario and both voted offwagon early because they didn't expect Jack to buzzer their mate.
Sorry, my ability was only one shot.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:19 pm Actually
if Dyson has another shot, they kill him before or during night 4 because he will confirm 3 more town
Damn, I was that close to going out?Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:37 pm I’m rereading Day 1 and looking through the voters on Seanzie for potential bussers.
It’s me, Ender, Jack and Like Coke that end up there. Out of those, LC is the one I remember the least, so I looked back at Lime Coke’s ISO through the lens of Sean’s partner, and I might be on to something.
Not quoting too much because it’s late and I’m gonna go to bed soon but
-starts the Seanzie voting early on D1 based on that “pranay rule”.
-Keeps the vote on Seanzie as Alison and myself vote there. -makes a read list with Seanzie as the lone Scumread. Good look
Then he is absent for a while. When he returns, he makes a comment replying to Rondo about something he had maybe found suspicious, but stands firm with a “Still townleaning him and preferred Seanzie over him.” Another good look.
In response to Sean’s perceived scumminess: “ If Seanzie is town then I don't understand this site at all.” man, LC is on fire right now.
3.5 hours before EOD, Seanzie posts a little more, followed by LC’s “ Seanzie actually doing something...hm...”
Hm indeed. Getting cold feet?
In response to nothing: “ Honestly I don't have another option besides an OMGUS on Nanook. I think Rondo is fine. And Sean was just 1 read so meh.”
I must note that he italicized ‘fine’ and ‘meh’. As if to make a firm point on his noncommittal attitude towards either player.
So votes are tied if I recall on rondo and Seanzie
Skip to 30 min before EoD. He just rose from his coffin to feast on mortal blood sleep and is ready to change things up in response to game state thoughts: “ Meh, don't think the day has had much progress, so possibly TvT wagons with these two? I can't make game state reads to save my life.”
Where did that come from?
I think at this point ilario was the lone vote on falcon. LC proposes:
“Falcon's an interesting choice... however my problem is that I've scumread him every game because he breaks every scumtell in my book and never looks completely towny. I gotta look at his iso hold on.”
Jack jumps on it though, and votes falcon. LC seems to come to the same conclusion that he’s probably scum because he’s not looking towny or whatever. Sure. Ok. So they commiserate and LC votes there too.
And this is pure genius:
Because if falcon goes over, jack led that charge, and it’s one of those “did you see what she was wearing- She was practically asking for it” justifications comes out. Easy to blame elsewhere but himself.
So now! Falcon (and rondo) has 3 votes and Seanzie has 2. Convenient. I know this because our helpful friend Rondo tells us:It’s important to note that if LC is bad, his reads seem to come from an organic place. He added to another low wagon and garnered support there and didn’t just pop onto Rondo. Smart play.
Rondo calls them both sus for switching so close to EoD. LC’s response: “ I literally stated I have a townread on you and I'm switching based on game state read. Why would that be sus at all?”
Blames it on the stale game state and like get off my case bro, real teenager hiding the smell of weed on his jacket from his parents
Rondo silently (as far as LC can tell) votes for LC: “ Rondo was voting him and silently switched to me it looked like.”
And LC almost immediately afterward switches back to Seanzie. Which ties up the vote I think Seanzie 3, Rondo 3.
Again, helpful Rondo at 5 min out:Now LC knows he can’t vote Rondo here without being suspicious, and he himself is tied for lead chop. He didn’t have to switch away from falcon. That’s the biggest hang up you could have with LC being scum at all, but opportunity is fleeting and the end of day was a bit manic.
(I also must note that during this last 5 min kerfuffle, TSP asks the thread if he should vote LC, to which jack responds “nah, I like his process.” And Ender defends LC wondering why he’s even on the block. Because TSP does vote here, I would say they are not partnered)
1 min, still tied. LC makes a final plea to lynch Nook, Rondo, TSP, Ms Frizzle, the Easter Bunny, Antonio Banderes and the far kid from the sandlot if he goes over. Because he is “obviously town here”.
Then his buddy jack, who he pocketed 30 minutes prior with that falcon switcheroo, rescues him and destroys Sean.
So that happened.
Fast forward to day 2. Lime Coke comes into thread without any WIM. Literally Eeyore.
Today? Same. Doesn’t have the gumption. Could it be his partner was lynched and he was also on the chopping block and it’s probably best to rest on his laurels until this whole thing blows over?
That’s a perspective.
It makes sense if you can set aside emotions about it.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:38 pm but like "dyson is town so let's kill him" is clearly the least coherent of the positions
fwiw I said all of this about LC at the end of day 1 (in my head possibly) but then he threw a temper tantrum and apparently that's towny and we're not allowed to like keep talking about it because that's meanScotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:37 pm I’m rereading Day 1 and looking through the voters on Seanzie for potential bussers.
It’s me, Ender, Jack and Like Coke that end up there. Out of those, LC is the one I remember the least, so I looked back at Lime Coke’s ISO through the lens of Sean’s partner, and I might be on to something.
Not quoting too much because it’s late and I’m gonna go to bed soon but
-starts the Seanzie voting early on D1 based on that “pranay rule”.
-Keeps the vote on Seanzie as Alison and myself vote there. -makes a read list with Seanzie as the lone Scumread. Good look
Then he is absent for a while. When he returns, he makes a comment replying to Rondo about something he had maybe found suspicious, but stands firm with a “Still townleaning him and preferred Seanzie over him.” Another good look.
In response to Sean’s perceived scumminess: “ If Seanzie is town then I don't understand this site at all.” man, LC is on fire right now.
3.5 hours before EOD, Seanzie posts a little more, followed by LC’s “ Seanzie actually doing something...hm...”
Hm indeed. Getting cold feet?
In response to nothing: “ Honestly I don't have another option besides an OMGUS on Nanook. I think Rondo is fine. And Sean was just 1 read so meh.”
I must note that he italicized ‘fine’ and ‘meh’. As if to make a firm point on his noncommittal attitude towards either player.
So votes are tied if I recall on rondo and Seanzie
Skip to 30 min before EoD. He just rose from his coffin to feast on mortal blood sleep and is ready to change things up in response to game state thoughts: “ Meh, don't think the day has had much progress, so possibly TvT wagons with these two? I can't make game state reads to save my life.”
Where did that come from?
I think at this point ilario was the lone vote on falcon. LC proposes:
“Falcon's an interesting choice... however my problem is that I've scumread him every game because he breaks every scumtell in my book and never looks completely towny. I gotta look at his iso hold on.”
Jack jumps on it though, and votes falcon. LC seems to come to the same conclusion that he’s probably scum because he’s not looking towny or whatever. Sure. Ok. So they commiserate and LC votes there too.
And this is pure genius:
Because if falcon goes over, jack led that charge, and it’s one of those “did you see what she was wearing- She was practically asking for it” justifications comes out. Easy to blame elsewhere but himself.
So now! Falcon (and rondo) has 3 votes and Seanzie has 2. Convenient. I know this because our helpful friend Rondo tells us:It’s important to note that if LC is bad, his reads seem to come from an organic place. He added to another low wagon and garnered support there and didn’t just pop onto Rondo. Smart play.
Rondo calls them both sus for switching so close to EoD. LC’s response: “ I literally stated I have a townread on you and I'm switching based on game state read. Why would that be sus at all?”
Blames it on the stale game state and like get off my case bro, real teenager hiding the smell of weed on his jacket from his parents
Rondo silently (as far as LC can tell) votes for LC: “ Rondo was voting him and silently switched to me it looked like.”
And LC almost immediately afterward switches back to Seanzie. Which ties up the vote I think Seanzie 3, Rondo 3.
Again, helpful Rondo at 5 min out:Now LC knows he can’t vote Rondo here without being suspicious, and he himself is tied for lead chop. He didn’t have to switch away from falcon. That’s the biggest hang up you could have with LC being scum at all, but opportunity is fleeting and the end of day was a bit manic.
(I also must note that during this last 5 min kerfuffle, TSP asks the thread if he should vote LC, to which jack responds “nah, I like his process.” And Ender defends LC wondering why he’s even on the block. Because TSP does vote here, I would say they are not partnered)
1 min, still tied. LC makes a final plea to lynch Nook, Rondo, TSP, Ms Frizzle, the Easter Bunny, Antonio Banderes and the far kid from the sandlot if he goes over. Because he is “obviously town here”.
Then his buddy jack, who he pocketed 30 minutes prior with that falcon switcheroo, rescues him and destroys Sean.
So that happened.
Fast forward to day 2. Lime Coke comes into thread without any WIM. Literally Eeyore.
Today? Same. Doesn’t have the gumption. Could it be his partner was lynched and he was also on the chopping block and it’s probably best to rest on his laurels until this whole thing blows over?
That’s a perspective.
Oh, this is that meta read tell that you won’t talk about or else he’ll catch on?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:52 pm I'll re-ISO LC but I had thought he did the towny thing.
Except maybe he's worked out what the towny thing is and is using it against me.
I mean, I hinted at it and I mentioned some of the info in Buckets if you wanna reread that whole giant case.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:53 pmOh, this is that meta read tell that you won’t talk about or else he’ll catch on?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:52 pm I'll re-ISO LC but I had thought he did the towny thing.
Except maybe he's worked out what the towny thing is and is using it against me.
Probably not, don’t want to read more than I have to these days with free time not on my wide.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:54 pmI mean, I hinted at it and I mentioned some of the info in Buckets if you wanna reread that whole giant case.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:53 pmOh, this is that meta read tell that you won’t talk about or else he’ll catch on?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:52 pm I'll re-ISO LC but I had thought he did the towny thing.
Except maybe he's worked out what the towny thing is and is using it against me.
Breaking down that claim- it’s so ridiculous it just HAS to be real, right? Like, a traditional cop role would be able to clear 1 town and not crowd your potential outs for the POE. Sure, he took 3 towny-looking people and you could say it’s not entirely helpful, but he didn’t need to make it 3 for a fake claimEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:55 pm That's why I said that his partner would've had to give him that claim.
If Dyson is town and telling the truth, how does the Maf keep 4 confirmed town alive? They can't.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:55 pm If dyson is scum, you really have to question what the end game is here. It’s a gamble and if he’s caught with a ridiculous claim, it’s almost virtually game over for his team.
I will say, when I was lynched D1 when we were partners, he didn’t have any cool claim up his sleeve to save the day. He really fizzled out until town just lynched him.
This could be a drastic wolf gameplay switch, but I’m more inclined to think he’s trying to be helpful town.
Haha, what's that?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:55 pm fwiw i do the same thing with falcon in every game we play
I'm fine with letting the claim resolve itself, and with claim of 4 cleared town, it has to or Maf is finished.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:59 pmBreaking down that claim- it’s so ridiculous it just HAS to be real, right? Like, a traditional cop role would be able to clear 1 town and not crowd your potential outs for the POE. Sure, he took 3 towny-looking people and you could say it’s not entirely helpful, but he didn’t need to make it 3 for a fake claimEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:55 pm That's why I said that his partner would've had to give him that claim.
Nvm, I figured it outfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:06 amHaha, what's that?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:55 pm fwiw i do the same thing with falcon in every game we play
Yup, saw the case.
Yeah but Gav's Gav, so who knowsTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:37 pmI think he's tmiing dyson town tbhfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:31 pmWhy would Dyson flipping wolf clear 3 other players? You don't think he may have snuck in a teammate?Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:16 pmHow do we know Dyson isn’t some other weird role?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:14 pmThen we keep playing Mafia and find out.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:41 pm the point is if dyson's doing this as a wolf where's his wolf buddy? where would his wolf buddy be usually? and we find out information about this by observing nks etc
I'm not at all concerned about the lynch after next tbh. 1 flip at a time fellas
We don’t, so it’s best to get rid of him to clear 3 other players.
Rondo dies tonight whether Dyson is telling the truth or not.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:06 amIf Dyson is town and telling the truth, how does the Maf keep 4 confirmed town alive? They can't.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:55 pm If dyson is scum, you really have to question what the end game is here. It’s a gamble and if he’s caught with a ridiculous claim, it’s almost virtually game over for his team.
I will say, when I was lynched D1 when we were partners, he didn’t have any cool claim up his sleeve to save the day. He really fizzled out until town just lynched him.
This could be a drastic wolf gameplay switch, but I’m more inclined to think he’s trying to be helpful town.
By next RD if Dyson is telling the truth that group of 4 gets smaller.
