The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:20 pm Leetic: Abigail might be silencer and curser
Mac: Probably not for multiple reasons
Leetic: Maybe Abigail has been bullshitting all along and the silencer is someone else?

I'm confused. Are you claiming you were never cursed?

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:22 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:20 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:38 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:59 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:56 am Bored

Is that really all you're gonna post here? I'd expect at least some energy from you. It doesn't help that you're someone who'd be more likely to slap me with a post restriction.

Oh yeah that was me

Yeah, right here. How was that unprompted?

Unprompted is the wrong word. Unnecessary better word.

You do know this is Abby we're talking about. The same person who faked a red check on me and held it for half the phase. Lying about this for whatever stupid reason is completely in-character for her

Also, you're moving the goalposts here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:22 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:20 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:38 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:59 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:56 am Bored

Is that really all you're gonna post here? I'd expect at least some energy from you. It doesn't help that you're someone who'd be more likely to slap me with a post restriction.

Oh yeah that was me

Yeah, right here. How was that unprompted?

Unprompted is the wrong word. Unnecessary better word.

You do know this is Abby we're talking about. The same person who faked a red check on me and held it for half the phase. Lying about this for whatever stupid reason is completely in-character for her

Also, you're moving the goalposts here

Oh so you're saying she can be lying as town or mafia and someone else is the curse/silencer entirely?

Eh seems pointless. False claiming a red is less pointless because it applies pressure. False claiming someone else's cursing role here makes no sense and is some seriously wild speculation.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:26 pm @Long Con please decrypt Leetic. I'm losing my marbles.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:22 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:20 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:38 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:59 am

Is that really all you're gonna post here? I'd expect at least some energy from you. It doesn't help that you're someone who'd be more likely to slap me with a post restriction.

Oh yeah that was me

Yeah, right here. How was that unprompted?

Unprompted is the wrong word. Unnecessary better word.

You do know this is Abby we're talking about. The same person who faked a red check on me and held it for half the phase. Lying about this for whatever stupid reason is completely in-character for her

Also, you're moving the goalposts here

Oh so you're saying she can be lying as town or mafia and someone else is the curse/silencer entirely?

Eh seems pointless. False claiming a red is less pointless because it applies pressure. False claiming someone else's cursing role here makes no sense and is some seriously wild speculation.

Abby doesn't do things that make sense

given they targeted Scotty who is now mechanically green on n1, it means the silencer is mafia.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:26 pm @Long Con please decrypt Leetic. I'm losing my marbles.

Although leetic is correct in that Abi seems to lie just for fun sometimes, I don't really think that she is. There could be other levels of lying like she is the silencer and the curser.

That's more likely but I still kind of doubt it. If she is lying, then I think she is a Wolf.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:33 pm

given they targeted Scotty who is now mechanically green on n1, it means the silencer is mafia.

No Scotty was green after the silencing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:33 pm

given they targeted Scotty who is now mechanically green on n1, it means the silencer is mafia.

No Scotty was green after the silencing.

Far, far from my point.

I'm saying that the silencer is clearly not town due to exclusively targeting town with the role. They are blatantly wolfsiding with it by silencing people like myself and Scotty.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:30 pm My hypothesis is Abigail = curser and not silencer because if Abigail was, the simple act of claiming the curse means they'd just full claim the silencing as well (as either alignment), and if they are neither the wouldn't claim to have cursed you because it serves no purpose.

Given I was untargetable n0 and there was no d1 silence I think it's logical to deduce the silencer targeted me n0 and given they targeted Scotty who is now mechanically green on n1, it means the silencer is mafia.

This then means that Abi is probably town because if 2 of the mafia were simply derpy post limiters in a game where town have multiple cops I'd be surprised. Also it doesn't track that a mafia curser would bother claiming it and subsequently box themselves into townsiding with further actions of it.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:30 pm There is like a funny mind game between the protective roll and the triangle of Long Con / Rondo / Scotty

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:30 pm My hypothesis is Abigail = curser and not silencer because if Abigail was, the simple act of claiming the curse means they'd just full claim the silencing as well (as either alignment), and if they are neither the wouldn't claim to have cursed you because it serves no purpose.

Given I was untargetable n0 and there was no d1 silence I think it's logical to deduce the silencer targeted me n0 and given they targeted Scotty who is now mechanically green on n1, it means the silencer is mafia.

This then means that Abi is probably town because if 2 of the mafia were simply derpy post limiters in a game where town have multiple cops I'd be surprised. Also it doesn't track that a mafia curser would bother claiming it and subsequently box themselves into townsiding with further actions of it.

what if its a choice of singing a song or silencing or something else? Or is that not how Roxy would write the roles?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd

Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd

Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.

But Abi isn't always a player who plays the way you would consider ideal.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd

Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd

Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.

Yeah but when has Abbi ever been accused of taking the strictly better path? She is like me, we just kinda vibe around towards what we want if its fun. But you could be right. Its not going to be helpful to speculate on

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

If you must.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd

Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.

Yeah but when has Abbi ever been accused of taking the strictly better path? She is like me, we just kinda vibe around towards what we want if its fun. But you could be right. Its not going to be helpful to speculate on

There is "vibe around towards what we want if it's fun" and there's "oops I'm needlessly outed now because I snap claimed a lie and Mac is a tracker who has caught me".

It's just so unlikely that Abi is lying about this that arguments to the contrary while slightly plausible should be set aside in favour of the cold hand of logic. As that is how town wins at mafia. So says the Oracle.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd

Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.

Yeah but when has Abbi ever been accused of taking the strictly better path? She is like me, we just kinda vibe around towards what we want if its fun. But you could be right. Its not going to be helpful to speculate on

There is "vibe around towards what we want if it's fun" and there's "oops I'm needlessly outed now because I snap claimed a lie and Mac is a tracker who has caught me".

It's just so unlikely that Abi is lying about this that arguments to the contrary while slightly plausible should be set aside in favour of the cold hand of logic. As that is how town wins at mafia. So says the Oracle.

I'm the Oracle here

I agree that speculating is pointless when we'll likely get more information soon anyway, but Abby does stupid shit as town all the time

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd

Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.

Yeah but when has Abbi ever been accused of taking the strictly better path? She is like me, we just kinda vibe around towards what we want if its fun. But you could be right. Its not going to be helpful to speculate on

There is "vibe around towards what we want if it's fun" and there's "oops I'm needlessly outed now because I snap claimed a lie and Mac is a tracker who has caught me".

It's just so unlikely that Abi is lying about this that arguments to the contrary while slightly plausible should be set aside in favour of the cold hand of logic. As that is how town wins at mafia. So says the Oracle.

I'm the Oracle here

I agree that speculating is pointless when we'll likely get more information soon anyway, but Abby does stupid shit as town all the time

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

If you must.

Mac, I am not trying to throw sus on you here but it is a concern I have been playing around with. What are the odds that a passive block is a mafia role? I dont mean in this game but generally as setup rands?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

If you must.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:51 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 pm That is to say Abbi N0 > Leetic (Song) N1 > Scotty (Silence)

when I see a song and a silence at the same time I will re-evaluate. But perhaps she switches between song and silence even/odd

Yeah but I just don't see the utility in partial claiming because it ultimately leads to their death. The alternatives of either not claiming, or full claiming, are both strictly a better play for Mafia Abigail than semi claiming and lying about their actions in a world where mafia wouldn't even be able to be certain someone wouldn't just out them off a track anyway.

Yeah but when has Abbi ever been accused of taking the strictly better path? She is like me, we just kinda vibe around towards what we want if its fun. But you could be right. Its not going to be helpful to speculate on

There is "vibe around towards what we want if it's fun" and there's "oops I'm needlessly outed now because I snap claimed a lie and Mac is a tracker who has caught me".

It's just so unlikely that Abi is lying about this that arguments to the contrary while slightly plausible should be set aside in favour of the cold hand of logic. As that is how town wins at mafia. So says the Oracle.

I'm the Oracle here

I agree that speculating is pointless when we'll likely get more information soon anyway, but Abby does stupid shit as town all the time

As town, but the argument is that Abi is mafia no?

Ultimately we are trying to determine alignment not propensity to do dumb shit. The key point of everything I'm saying is that it all points at town Abigail.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

If you must.

Mac, I am not trying to throw sus on you here but it is a concern I have been playing around with. What are the odds that a passive block is a mafia role? I dont mean in this game but generally as setup rands?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:55 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

If you must.

Mac, I am not trying to throw sus on you here but it is a concern I have been playing around with. What are the odds that a passive block is a mafia role? I dont mean in this game but generally as setup rands?

It's the only ability I have. I have no active powers. I am essentially a VT with a weak passive that is inconsistent. In this game does that sound like a wolf role? With town cops and full roleblockers?

The odds that a reflexive roleblocker is a townrole if you take my claim at face value (as in, that it's not part of a broader role, or I'm lying about it) is higher than it being a mafia role. But I could also just be a lying Godfather.

I don't need you to not find my claim questionable anyway. You should easily be able to read me on play based on how I've interacted with you in a way that should be quite blatantly indicative I had no idea what your alignment was.

Also every possible wolf in Rondo/LC/Scotty gown world we now reside in has spewed me town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

If you must.

Wouldn't that be a waste?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:58 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

If you must.

Wouldn't that be a waste?

I literally just got through explaining to Rondo the utility of green checking Scotty so you don't have to go far to find evidence that I think using the cop check to clear people is a good use of it.

I do think it'd be a waste personally though hence the "if you must" not the "oh please sir" response.

Ie. if you're suspicious of me go for it. Because if you are then it obviously isn't a waste because it gets town one step closer to cohesive.

This all feels kind of like we're starting to spin our wheels into stupidville.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:55 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

If you must.

Mac, I am not trying to throw sus on you here but it is a concern I have been playing around with. What are the odds that a passive block is a mafia role? I dont mean in this game but generally as setup rands?

It's the only ability I have. I have no active powers. I am essentially a VT with a weak passive that is inconsistent. In this game does that sound like a wolf role? With town cops and full roleblockers?

The odds that a reflexive roleblocker is a townrole if you take my claim at face value (as in, that it's not part of a broader role, or I'm lying about it) is higher than it being a mafia role. But I could also just be a lying Godfather.

I don't need you to not find my claim questionable anyway. You should easily be able to read me on play based on how I've interacted with you in a way that should be quite blatantly indicative I had no idea what your alignment was.

Also every possible wolf in Rondo/LC/Scotty gown world we now reside in has spewed me town.

Hahahah in the LC / Rondo / Scotty world we just wait 12 hours and lynch me when none of us die lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:00 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:55 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:36 pm Maybe I should check you tonight, Mac.

If you must.

Mac, I am not trying to throw sus on you here but it is a concern I have been playing around with. What are the odds that a passive block is a mafia role? I dont mean in this game but generally as setup rands?

It's the only ability I have. I have no active powers. I am essentially a VT with a weak passive that is inconsistent. In this game does that sound like a wolf role? With town cops and full roleblockers?

The odds that a reflexive roleblocker is a townrole if you take my claim at face value (as in, that it's not part of a broader role, or I'm lying about it) is higher than it being a mafia role. But I could also just be a lying Godfather.

I don't need you to not find my claim questionable anyway. You should easily be able to read me on play based on how I've interacted with you in a way that should be quite blatantly indicative I had no idea what your alignment was.

Also every possible wolf in Rondo/LC/Scotty gown world we now reside in has spewed me town.

Hahahah in the LC / Rondo / Scotty world we just wait 12 hours and lynch me when none of us die lol

You misread my point entirely. I love writing large posts and then having someone focus on one sentence and misread it.

I'm saying in the world all 3 of you are town, all the mafia have spewed me town.

Leetic has tunneled me into the dirt and been tilting me non stop (and vice versa).
Pyxxy has reacted to my pushing him with submissive acceptance and an unwavering townread.
DM, Porscha, Tutuu, Abigail and Robyn have all townread me in ways that you should easily can see spew me unpartnered.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:01 pm we dont kill mac here till lylo and likely we've found the wolf team anyway in pyxxy/dm/leetic/robyn/tutuu and we have enough chop and information to resolve the game. If abbi is wolf then its likely mac is too so we can eliminate that is a thought which leaves

pyxxy/dm/leetic/robyn/tutuu

who else can we eliminate?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:06 pm What reason you leave Porscha out of that list Rondo?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:10 pm Porscha to me can sub as the fourth in this solve a little better than anyone else can. They have had some towny posts for sure but some of their play has felt like wolf agenda at times. Particularly moments where I've felt like they were subtly coercing me to go down bad paths, like when they were trying to push me off my Rondo townread early in the game for instance.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:11 pm I think Porscha/Robyn is the only two of dynamic in Porscha/Robyn/DM/Pyxxy that I have seen a reason to exclude. Specifically because Porscha jumped on Robyn when I voted them.