The Syndicate

nijuukyugou wrote:

thellama73 wrote:To elaborate on the above, I begged people to look at Mongoose for days and was met with a wall of ignoring. Finally, when it became clear I was never going to shut up about it, a few people started to notice, then when the votes came down it was near unanimous. What's the explanation for that? The only one I can think of is that her teammates were hoping that if they ignored me I'd go away, and when I didn't, they voted for her to show what good little civs they are. Haha, charade you are!

I, too, found this sudden enthusiasm VERY fishy. Votes for Mongoose went from 2 for the last two lynches to almost EVERYONE this time around. Understandably, several people were rightfully voting for baddies in the first two polls, but this time it was a little too (nearly) unanimous, and I'm sure the numbers don't add up to all Civs. Although I've only played one other game, I never remember anything like this happening. Also, love the Pink Floyd reference

As for the lynch result, I am conflicted with Mongoose's role; I'm happy to vote again to see the next result, but I also don't want to waste it if she is, indeed Smaug (if Smaug has the power to avoid being lynched). I'm leaning towards trying again, however.

And spiders? Ugh. Don't like bugs. My first instinct was to run, but people are making good points about how we're "more prepared" this time around. But what would we be fighting with? The diary I remembered to bring?

Hedgeowl wrote:Also, was it ever stated who was dead? Was it Juliets or was she silenced?

I noticed she posted in the OT forums which she has done in a past game when silenced.

Mongoose wrote:You guys would think a cat on a roof is suspicious.

I haven't bought anything - my role did not save me and I did not use an item to save me.

I am certainly not Smaug (lie detector me!) and I truly don't know how I survived (if it was someone else's role mechanic or if they used an item on me, etc).

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:My general philosophy is this: Unless there is a clear, civilian reason someone survived a lynch (not a Night kill), lynch that person again right away in the next poll.

However, I think Mongoose is Smaug, and Bard needs to do whatever he can do on that front.

Why do you think she is Smaug?

Do you have a reason to suggest that she isn't? If so, please- help me out.

My reason is an intuitive detection of teammates. The fact that so many people suddenly went from indifferent to happy to vote for her today smells awfully to me like team members covering themselves since they knew she wouldn't die.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, resurrection please?

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:I am back (and not dead!), and my absence had nothing to do with wine.

That was seriously the fishiest day/lynch poll I've ever seen.

I don't know what's going on, but I have one point to make: No one has suggested the possibility that the indy team could be aligned with the full-strength baddie team. If that is the case, we may be scwewed.

With that said, allow me to dispell another bafflingly incorrect analysis of the original case against Boogs seen in the posts I've quoted below. I don't know anything about Bullzeye, but he is incorrect if he thinks my case suggested that Boogs would gain civ cred by faking a silence. If he did fake a silence, I think it would be to cover up his repeated and obvious claims for suspicion of known/lynched baddies after they were dead.

My comments were not directed at your case. I was responding directly to points made by Snow, who was saying that Boogs might have tried to gain civ cred. It's his argument I disagree with. As far as indy (neutral, really) teams go, there's no reason to believe they're aligned with anyone right now. Usually neutrals will just win with whichever team wins while they're alive, and they tend to side with the civs because it's easiest.

I'm voting to stand and fight!

Ok, sorry for the mix-up. My comments then should read according to Snow Dog instead.

thellama73 wrote:Right, I just reread the roles, and there are a lot of secrets, but I see two main possibilities for Mongoose's survival.

1. She is Smaug, who is unlikely to be able to be lynched due to his armored hide.

2. She is a Goblin Tow Goblin who has the help of:
Goblin Inventor
Goblin who creates mechanical devices with devious purposes.
Creates items such as armor and weapons for his tribe.

I suspect that armor would be useful at stopping a lynch. The second option is, in my estimation, much more likely, giving the way the votes came down, which indicates teammates in my view.

I also think Mongoose knew full well that she would survive, given her halfhearted defense. This would be the case in both of my above scenarios.

Vompatti wrote:My theory is that Mongoose is good and Mongoose voters are bad.

Dom wrote: That's fine, Vomps. That's not what I'm critiquing here. I am confused by Mongoose's ambiguity. She says, "if" she was saved. Now, saved would indicate that someone else... you know... saved her. Ergo, she does not know how she survived. (Even if it's something that intrinsic to Mongoose that she doesn't know, it would appear this way to Mongoose, no?)
However, Mongoose's ambiguity here indicates to me that she is being very careful about what she is saying. She doesn't want to say something that would implicate her as a certain role/faction. I got caught in this during Supernatural Mafia (I think). I believe LC (who was also bad) caught me because I said that I didn't know how I survived. That would have required me to be a baddie, etc.

Mongoose, why so ambiguous? Why so secretive?

reywaS wrote: I faked being silenced for civvie cred once. And it ended up working out quite nicely for me. It was in Lost: Revolutions on RM. I went from being suspect number one in the game to almost confirmed civvie(as far as the civvies thought anyway). I was bad bad bad in that game.

People fake being silenced all the time to try to get suspicion of themselves. Roxy did it recently in I think Viral Vids.

Bullzeye wrote:

Vompatti wrote:My theory is that Mongoose is good and Mongoose voters are bad.

I seem to remember you having a similar theory about Elo though

Metalmarsh89 wrote: @Epi, if Mongoose is Smaug, what makes you so sure lynching her again will work?

Bullzeye wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:I am back (and not dead!), and my absence had nothing to do with wine.

That was seriously the fishiest day/lynch poll I've ever seen.

I don't know what's going on, but I have one point to make: No one has suggested the possibility that the indy team could be aligned with the full-strength baddie team. If that is the case, we may be scwewed.

With that said, allow me to dispell another bafflingly incorrect analysis of the original case against Boogs seen in the posts I've quoted below. I don't know anything about Bullzeye, but he is incorrect if he thinks my case suggested that Boogs would gain civ cred by faking a silence. If he did fake a silence, I think it would be to cover up his repeated and obvious claims for suspicion of known/lynched baddies after they were dead.

My comments were not directed at your case. I was responding directly to points made by Snow, who was saying that Boogs might have tried to gain civ cred. It's his argument I disagree with. As far as indy (neutral, really) teams go, there's no reason to believe they're aligned with anyone right now. Usually neutrals will just win with whichever team wins while they're alive, and they tend to side with the civs because it's easiest.

I'm voting to stand and fight!

Bullzeye wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:I am back (and not dead!), and my absence had nothing to do with wine.

That was seriously the fishiest day/lynch poll I've ever seen.

I don't know what's going on, but I have one point to make: No one has suggested the possibility that the indy team could be aligned with the full-strength baddie team. If that is the case, we may be scwewed.

With that said, allow me to dispell another bafflingly incorrect analysis of the original case against Boogs seen in the posts I've quoted below. I don't know anything about Bullzeye, but he is incorrect if he thinks my case suggested that Boogs would gain civ cred by faking a silence. If he did fake a silence, I think it would be to cover up his repeated and obvious claims for suspicion of known/lynched baddies after they were dead.

My comments were not directed at your case. I was responding directly to points made by Snow, who was saying that Boogs might have tried to gain civ cred. It's his argument I disagree with. As far as indy (neutral, really) teams go, there's no reason to believe they're aligned with anyone right now. Usually neutrals will just win with whichever team wins while they're alive, and they tend to side with the civs because it's easiest.

I'm voting to stand and fight!

Ok, sorry for the mix-up. My comments then should read according to Snow Dog instead.

To be honest though I don't think Snow is misinterpreting you either, I think he just has his own opinion. I disagree with it, but I think it's all him. He just happens to think similarly to you is all.

thellama73 wrote:Right, I just reread the roles, and there are a lot of secrets, but I see two main possibilities for Mongoose's survival.

1. She is Smaug, who is unlikely to be able to be lynched due to his armored hide.

2. She is a Goblin Tow Goblin who has the help of:
Goblin Inventor
Goblin who creates mechanical devices with devious purposes.
Creates items such as armor and weapons for his tribe.

I suspect that armor would be useful at stopping a lynch. The second option is, in my estimation, much more likely, giving the way the votes came down, which indicates teammates in my view.

I also think Mongoose knew full well that she would survive, given her halfhearted defense. This would be the case in both of my above scenarios.

Either of those are possible, but also two of the GT Goblins have secrets and the remaining Moria goblin does too. I don't think they can be ruled out. There are a lot of possibilities still.

Vompatti wrote:My theory is that Mongoose is good and Mongoose voters are bad.

I seem to remember you having a similar theory about Elo though

Dom wrote: That's fine, Vomps. That's not what I'm critiquing here. I am confused by Mongoose's ambiguity. She says, "if" she was saved. Now, saved would indicate that someone else... you know... saved her. Ergo, she does not know how she survived. (Even if it's something that intrinsic to Mongoose that she doesn't know, it would appear this way to Mongoose, no?)
However, Mongoose's ambiguity here indicates to me that she is being very careful about what she is saying. She doesn't want to say something that would implicate her as a certain role/faction. I got caught in this during Supernatural Mafia (I think). I believe LC (who was also bad) caught me because I said that I didn't know how I survived. That would have required me to be a baddie, etc.

Mongoose, why so ambiguous? Why so secretive?

I think this is a good assessment. If she knew how she survived, she could just say as much. If she doesn't, someone must have saved her. She either saved herself or someone else did, there's no 'if' about it. I remember that contributing to your downfall in Supernatural.

reywaS wrote: I faked being silenced for civvie cred once. And it ended up working out quite nicely for me. It was in Lost: Revolutions on RM. I went from being suspect number one in the game to almost confirmed civvie(as far as the civvies thought anyway). I was bad bad bad in that game.

People fake being silenced all the time to try to get suspicion of themselves. Roxy did it recently in I think Viral Vids.

Weren't there other reasons people thought you were probably a confirmed civ as well though? You and Typh massively distanced from each other all game pretty much, and when he got lynched people assumed there was no way you could've been teammates.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: @Epi, if Mongoose is Smaug, what makes you so sure lynching her again will work?

I know this is not directed at me, but assuming she is Smaug, Bard apparently has a way to kill her. If he is still alive, he should now be alerted to that need and be doing everything he can, so we might as well help him out.

But I don't think she is Smaug anyway, so it's moot.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Oh my word, I did not intend for this fake silence discussion to keep going and going, but frankly it makes me more suspicious. Because I've pointed out over and over that it's turned into a conversation that is not at all what was originally discussed.

Fake silence implies some thought out plan. What I suggested was an early blunder (accompanied by previous and subsequent blunders) covered up by a baddie fib. That is all. I have no theories on planned fake silences, just for the record.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:im voting to run from the spiders

Bullzeye wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Oh my word, I did not intend for this fake silence discussion to keep going and going, but frankly it makes me more suspicious. Because I've pointed out over and over that it's turned into a conversation that is not at all what was originally discussed.

Fake silence implies some thought out plan. What I suggested was an early blunder (accompanied by previous and subsequent blunders) covered up by a baddie fib. That is all. I have no theories on planned fake silences, just for the record.

But what is this early blunder? I don't remember anyone bringing much up about Boogs until after the silencing (fake or otherwise). Don't get me wrong, I'm not fighting his corner here, I'm not convinced either way about him, I just think it's more likely he's telling the truth about what happened to him.

Bullzeye wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Oh my word, I did not intend for this fake silence discussion to keep going and going, but frankly it makes me more suspicious. Because I've pointed out over and over that it's turned into a conversation that is not at all what was originally discussed.

Fake silence implies some thought out plan. What I suggested was an early blunder (accompanied by previous and subsequent blunders) covered up by a baddie fib. That is all. I have no theories on planned fake silences, just for the record.

But what is this early blunder? I don't remember anyone bringing much up about Boogs until after the silencing (fake or otherwise). Don't get me wrong, I'm not fighting his corner here, I'm not convinced either way about him, I just think it's more likely he's telling the truth about what happened to him.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:I don't know what's going on, but I have one point to make: No one has suggested the possibility that the indy team could be aligned with the full-strength baddie team. If that is the case, we may be scwewed.

Epignosis wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:I don't know what's going on, but I have one point to make: No one has suggested the possibility that the indy team could be aligned with the full-strength baddie team. If that is the case, we may be scwewed.

I don't think anyone has suggested it because, first, it's ridiculously unlikely (it's only Night 4), and second, it would be against the elves' best interest to stop being a win-with-any-faction independent group.

I also don't get why anyone would be screwed. If the elves became aligned with the Townie Goblins, then so what? It doesn't mean they get BTSC, it doesn't mean they acquire a kill, and it doesn't mean they even know who the Townie Goblins are.

This leaves me scratching my chin: What was your purpose in raising this absurd possibility?

Is it to incite paranoia about a group who would strategically want to stay neutral, would not know the identities of those with whom they were aligned, and would thus remain ignorant of how to succeed? Because I damn sure can't imagine any other reason for you to plant such a bizarre and unrelated thought in the thread.

What happens for the Townie Goblins when the cave-dwelling Goblins are all but wiped out?

As Miss McLachlan once put so eloquently, there's no one left to finger- no one here to blame. But I bet you've got plenty of people to talk to honey, and there ain't no one to buy your innocence.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:like totally not cool

On the bright side, you now have time to join EPig's game

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Eh, sounds good.

Great! One more spot left in that game. Do you people really want to miss it?

Boogs wrote:RIPIYWG DP And I really hope that Dom isn't dead and will be back!
Welcome TH again! So glad you're back! And I hope you are still good this time!

Smaug just killed 2 nights in a row, and she Mongoose didn't get lynched. I looked and it doesn't include any info when Smaug kills. But, I have a strong inkling Smaug kills odd nights, which would mean someone did something to allow Smaug to kill again. I am hoping Smaug doesn't have 2 lynch saves.
I think that llama suggesting that the other Goblin team used the device thing to save Mongoose is highly likely and some teammates were trying to vote me hoping to get me out because they knew she was going to survive. Whether she is A Goblin or Smaug, she's bad news and I am going to vote her again today unless something miraculous comes to light and changes my mind.

Boogs wrote:RIPIYWG DP And I really hope that Dom isn't dead and will be back!
Welcome TH again! So glad you're back! And I hope you are still good this time!

Smaug just killed 2 nights in a row, and she didn't get lynched. I looked and it doesn't include any info when Smaug kills. But, I have a strong inkling Smaug kills odd nights, which would mean someone did something to allow Smaug to kill again. I am hoping Smaug doesn't have 2 lynch saves.
I think that llama suggesting that the other Goblin team used the device thing to save Mongoose is highly likely and some teammates were trying to vote me hoping to get me out because they knew she was going to survive. Whether she is A Goblin or Smaug, she's bad news and I am going to vote her again today unless something miraculous comes to light and changes my mind.

Mongoose wrote:How about they used the device to save me even though I'm not on their team because I'm too good at being suspicious? They'd be fools to let me die.