Re: [DAY 5] Avant-Garde Mafia 2
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:56 pm
So, I have to go to work now. See y'all at night time when I'm out
No evidently I asked him how he survived while he was silenced. I didn't even realize he was silenced! If someone mentioned it I didn't see it.DharmaHelper wrote:Also does no one care that JC asked DP if he knew why he was silenced today?
While he was silenced.
I'm all CONFUSED! It was in the post for god's sake. I don't know what I was thinking.juliets wrote:No evidently I asked him how he survived while he was silenced. I didn't even realize he was silenced! If someone mentioned it I didn't see it.DharmaHelper wrote:Also does no one care that JC asked DP if he knew why he was silenced today?
While he was silenced.
juliets wrote:It's also interesting that a civv wants to shut DP up, and the Residents want to kill him. I guess in addition to re-reading FH's posts I'll be re-reading DP's posts to see what that could be about. DP, do you know how you survived?
I am not being mean. I just don't see that you have made any kind of valid case against me - so I pointed out why it was non-existent as well as how your vote analysis was not valid. I assume all that useless analysis supposedly validates your non-existent caseDharmaHelper wrote:@JC I'm pretty certain that civvie LT would not respond to me the way this LT is responding. It's way too over the top and dismissive, and actually quite mean.
I can actually believe this defense. It does sound very plausible.Flyin' High wrote:If I sounded at all like I contradicted myself, I'm sorry. My mistake was this: MP asked me which book I'd like to read from last night. I immediately responded "Green!" while thinking to myself green=alien.
Then I received my PM response from MP telling me Frank Zappa's role and I was confused because I thought I'd be getting one of Ziltoid's Army's roles. So I went to look at the roles and did a major facepalm because I realized I'd mixed up the civvie color with Ziltoid's army color.
It was a dumb mistake. But I owned up to it because it's honestly what happened.
And then as for choosing whether or not to reveal what I learned, based on the one role I learned about, I made the decision that the Frank Zappa and the civvies as a whole would benefit from knowing that by him using his power at night, he can be recruited to the Residents or worse, killed.
I thought that was helpful to share. If it wasn't then I honestly apologize. I was trying to do good not bad.
Hmmm, when I first read that, it seemed to me that it was a bit of wittiness... so not sure if that, alone, proves anything as to alliance. The PA people seem to like to have a bit of fun with each other from what I have seen so far. To me it looked like a play off a previous post.Kate wrote:11:25The Truth wrote:I'm going with my gut and guessing that the "resident" ordeal is reverse psychology. So I'm reversing the reverse psychology and voting for pluto.
11:28triceratopzeuhl wrote:I'm going with my gut and guessing that the "resident" ordeal is reverse reverse psychology. So I'm reversing the reverse revere reverse psychology and voting for the sun.
Weird. Is three minutes enough to see that, think of a "witty" comeback and post?
You are being rather mean, and dismissive, and wrong :PI am not being mean. I just don't see that you have made any kind of valid case against me - so I pointed out why it was non-existent as well as how your vote analysis was not valid. I assume all that useless analysis supposedly validates your non-existent case
Something is up with the way you are posting, and I am not sure what it is.
Wow.DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
Ah well, I had bad timing. Maybe I should vote back anyway.triceratopzeuhl wrote:He was forced by the insanification to vote the person immediately above him when he postedThe Truth wrote:Also, I'm not sure I ever got Rob's reasoning when he voted for me while I was insanified.
Wow indeed.LittleTiger wrote:Wow.DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
Tension, indeed.The Truth wrote:I sense some tension.
This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
This really got my eye. I think DH has been trying to get peoples attention the WHOLE GAME. And I have kept saying, I am listening, DH. But maybe it is time to put my money where my mouth is and give him some trust. I think he makes some good points on LT, so maybe i will take a leap of faith I have to reread a bit more, and specifically reread LT, DH & FH (AGAIN), lolDharmaHelper wrote:If LT flips civ this game, I will eat everybody's hat.
Catching up now, just wanted to say that I agree with this.Dom wrote:Just wanted to say this as I catch up:DharmaHelper wrote:Hey rabbit, I heard your "bank" might need a bailout.
Excuse me, DH? For someone so suspicious of all aggressive people, you are pretty freaking aggressive. This post just struck me as od. Not only is it pretty aggressive, but it's kind of the type of thing a baddie might do to try and get everyone to trust them; say I told you so!
BECAUSE it has no merit this early in the game; BECAUSE people are on at the same time due to schedules etc; BECAUSE it was just useless. I could say that because you are replying to DH and I think he is bad, then you must be bad. You posted after DH, you must be bad.reywaS wrote:This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
Except initially all I did was say "these people voted together both times." And you reacted over the top and very defensive about it. I didn't say anything about "All these people are mafia."LittleTiger wrote:BECAUSE it has no merit this early in the game; BECAUSE people are on at the same time due to schedules etc; BECAUSE it was just useless. I could say that because you are replying to DH and I think he is bad, then you must be bad. You posted after DH, you must be bad.reywaS wrote:This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
Geez.
Can't believe it took me this long to realize that. I've really got no clue what he's up to, and I'm not sure if he's planning anything (bad).S~V~S wrote:I just read back a bit, but i have not changed my opinion on Trice~ i think the case is yet another example of blowing "cultural differences" out of proportion. i am not voting for Trice~ i probably would alreadhy have voted for FH, but this one post got my eye:
This really got my eye. I think DH has been trying to get peoples attention the WHOLE GAME. And I have kept saying, I am listening, DH. But maybe it is time to put my money where my mouth is and give him some trust. I think he makes some good points on LT, so maybe i will take a leap of faith I have to reread a bit more, and specifically reread LT, DH & FH (AGAIN), lolDharmaHelper wrote:If LT flips civ this game, I will eat everybody's hat.
What a snarky/jokey response.DharmaHelper wrote:You do realize I can't be two different people right?reywaS wrote:After this last lynch and the comments immediately afterward, I'm getting a little suspicious of a few people....
I'm getting more and more suspicious of DH because of what Dom pointed out and the fact that he's been acting so sure of himself about these "bandwagons".
DharmaHelper wrote:Another shitty bandwagon ended in a civvie lynch?These two posts do not seem like they are coming from a civvie tbh. The "I told you so" seems more like something a baddie would say to gain some civvie credit. The comments also seem more like that are intended to divide us even further....not constructive IMO.Boomslang wrote:Just wanted to say: nailed it. Maybe a bit more independent thought next lynch?
I was ribbing rabbit, I wasn't being aggressive towards anyone else. I always rib rabbit. I love rabbit rib.. What were we talking about?Dom wrote:Just wanted to say this as I catch up:DharmaHelper wrote:Hey rabbit, I heard your "bank" might need a bailout.
Excuse me, DH? For someone so suspicious of all aggressive people, you are pretty freaking aggressive. This post just struck me as od. Not only is it pretty aggressive, but it's kind of the type of thing a baddie might do to try and get everyone to trust them; say I told you so!
I most certainly did not react in an over the top way... AT ALL. Now you are just annoying me....DharmaHelper wrote:Except initially all I did was say "these people voted together both times." And you reacted over the top and very defensive about it. I didn't say anything about "All these people are mafia."LittleTiger wrote:BECAUSE it has no merit this early in the game; BECAUSE people are on at the same time due to schedules etc; BECAUSE it was just useless. I could say that because you are replying to DH and I think he is bad, then you must be bad. You posted after DH, you must be bad.reywaS wrote:This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
Geez.
Good try though LT. I'm sure you're really scrambling back there in your BTSC about how to get out of this one.
See my many posts talking about your hypocrisy. Also I pursued a legitimate thought by voting for you.DharmaHelper wrote:INH.
Pursuing legitimate thought and sheep voting are two different things, not sure how that's the pot calling the kettle black. I'm sure you'll elaborate though.
You are just making shit up and I am fed up with it.DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
Uh no, do you even read my posts?DharmaHelper wrote:As for the posts you quoted, I found it funny that INH's defense to my case was essentially "no u lol"DharmaHelper wrote:S~V~S wrote:Any reason other than the fact that he wanted to avoid a penalty?
Don;t make other people do all the work, man~
You know, sometimes I wonder if people read my posts at all :P
As I said
1. Rabbit defended his contest behavior while bringing up Epig as suspect for posting and not voting. (Even if it was just a joke, Rabbit's on my list and him helping out INH only deepens my suspicions.)
2. His vote for bea seems to me to be more of a "go with the flow, don't ruffle any feathers" vote than anything else.
Adding
3. His defense thusfar has been a very snarky "No U" marathon
LittleTiger wrote:You are just making shit up and I am fed up with it.DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHDharmaHelper wrote:LittleTiger wrote:You are just making shit up and I am fed up with it.DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
Who suggested the angry civvie routine in your BTSC?
LittleTiger wrote:ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHDharmaHelper wrote:LittleTiger wrote:You are just making shit up and I am fed up with it.DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
Who suggested the angry civvie routine in your BTSC?
Let's take a look.DharmaHelper wrote:AddingDharmaHelper wrote:As for the posts you quoted, I found it funny that INH's defense to my case was essentially "no u lol"DharmaHelper wrote:S~V~S wrote:Any reason other than the fact that he wanted to avoid a penalty?
Don;t make other people do all the work, man~
You know, sometimes I wonder if people read my posts at all :P
As I said
1. Rabbit defended his contest behavior while bringing up Epig as suspect for posting and not voting. (Even if it was just a joke, Rabbit's on my list and him helping out INH only deepens my suspicions.)
2. His vote for bea seems to me to be more of a "go with the flow, don't ruffle any feathers" vote than anything else.
Adding
3. His defense thusfar has been a very snarky "No U" marathon
4) Apart from his responses to my case, when I read back to his earlier posts alot of them are surface-only posts as I said a while back, not really adding one thing or another.
Response to your accusations which you then ignored.insertnamehere wrote:The Bea case came up fairly late in the day, and it made more sense to me. Also, what do you want me to do, restate the obvious reasons that everyone was talking about at the time. Shame on me for trying to keep things light.DharmaHelper wrote:As for INH:
His eagerness to complete the first challenge bugged me, as I've said a million times. What more can I say that I haven't already? Rabbit defended INH's actions and poked at Epig for something less suspect IMO, which pinged me again, and since then INH's posts have been very non-participatory for the most part, mostly joking around etc etc, and his vote for bea was odd as well. Uhh, how? And I'm not exactly sure how my posts are non-participatory at all.
He mentions Epig and axxon's early vote as freaking him out, then jumps on the bea vote with one post saying that bea is his "strongest suspicion" but not giving specifics. Since then it's been mostly the jokey aloof posts I mentioned.
insertnamehere wrote:DH, Maybe I'm just put off by how incredibly agressive you've been all game, but I am hesitant to trust anything you say as genuine in nature. You seem to be very strong arm-ish, which I usually associate with baddies.DharmaHelper wrote:Maybe I'm just put off by how incredibly agressive you've been all game, but I am hesitant to trust anything you say as genuine in nature. You seem to be very strong arm-ish, which I usually associate with baddies.
Dunno, as I said I'm not quite willing to buy into the impending Droopwagon, probably exclusively because you seem so determined to get people on board.
Both posts suggesting that you are being hypocritical.insertnamehere wrote:Irony.DharmaHelper wrote:I think Kate in particular has been as I said, very agressive in terms of getting people to suspect who she thinks they should suspect :P
My answer to your question which you ignored.insertnamehere wrote:I didn't mean to treat it like a contest, and the short posts were a result of me misreading the instructions saying each post had to be 3 sentences long.DharmaHelper wrote:I meant the crazy double triple quadruple posting, INH. Like you were treating it like a contest. Also the posts you made that were not 3 sentences long. That's what set off bells in my head that made me recall JLvA
I'm more concerned about your analysis posts.DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
BoatsBoatsBoats wrote:I'm more concerned about your analysis posts.DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
Thanks.DharmaHelper wrote:Thanks. Though again, this isn't anything anybody else couldn't find if they sat down with it like I did. I don't have anything pointing me in INH's direction so much as I just want people to start focusing less on the Kool Aid voting. For the record, it's not that bizarre.S~V~S wrote:I dunno, when I have info, or think I do, and can't find areal case, I flood the thread with data hoping a pattern emeges to someone. This is the kind of bizarre post I make in that situation. DH has been sounding frustratted and reasonably sincere, if snarkish, to me.
He has been screaming "INH!!!!!" For days, I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt
To be entirely fair, the role reveals from the book do force me to re-evaluate you at least to some degree. Yes, I agree with people saying this is your civ game, but like I explained early you (everybody) play(s) civ game as an indy. That's the only way you can win.S~V~S wrote:I read Trice and reread him, and I have a role in mind for him, and I think he might be a civ, I won't be voting for him/. I wish he did not suspect me, but I kinda see why he might.
But regardless of who else may or maynot be bad, I still think FH probably is bad.
It's almost like I'm smart or something. Not like I'm an electrical engineer or anything.Kate wrote:11:25The Truth wrote:I'm going with my gut and guessing that the "resident" ordeal is reverse psychology. So I'm reversing the reverse psychology and voting for pluto.
11:28triceratopzeuhl wrote:I'm going with my gut and guessing that the "resident" ordeal is reverse reverse psychology. So I'm reversing the reverse revere reverse psychology and voting for the sun.
Weird. Is three minutes enough to see that, think of a "witty" comeback and post?
It was not "useless". It was a simple record of people that voted for both Droopy and Vomp with some added stuff about vote timing. DH did not in any way come to the conclusion that any one person in his vote post "must be bad". It certainly wasn't "useless" in that it got some great discussion going. I think he may have hit something with all the "oh my god, that date is stupid and useless and makes no sense" stuff TBH. A few people went a little overboard in trying to debunk DH's conclusions when he didn't even make any conclusions! I think he's on to something with the responses.LittleTiger wrote:BECAUSE it has no merit this early in the game; BECAUSE people are on at the same time due to schedules etc; BECAUSE it was just useless. I could say that because you are replying to DH and I think he is bad, then you must be bad. You posted after DH, you must be bad.reywaS wrote:This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
Geez.
THIS^^DharmaHelper wrote:@Trice if you think FH let slip which civvie role she is, requoting it so all the baddies know what you're talking about might not be the best course of action.
Good point.DharmaHelper wrote:@Trice if you think FH let slip which civvie role she is, requoting it so all the baddies know what you're talking about might not be the best course of action.
At least there is confirmation, so now you can believe me.S~V~S wrote:THIS^^DharmaHelper wrote:@Trice if you think FH let slip which civvie role she is, requoting it so all the baddies know what you're talking about might not be the best course of action.
I saw it too, Trice. Not sure i believe it, though.