The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:My desire to vote for G-man stems more from gamerguy's posts than anything the G-man has done himself, which is unfortunate for him.

Was it gamerguy who had an issue with dead replacing in?

Black Rock wrote:

Sloonei wrote:My desire to vote for G-man stems more from gamerguy's posts than anything the G-man has done himself, which is unfortunate for him.

Was it gamerguy who had an issue with dead replacing in?

it was. that's a slight factor in my read, whether it's fair or not.

sig wrote:So looking at the night kill attempt I would say Golden is more likely to be clean.

Cobalt seems to be hypnotized, but even so he still voted for LC which is consistent with the previous days. Can in theory the mafia target another mafia player from the same team to get hypnotized? If we think LC is innocent but Cobalt is scum that would be the best way to push an LC lynch by the mafia.

nijuukyugou pinged me with her first post and has posted minimum after that, however she says it is her playstyle and since no other players called her out on that I will assume it is true. After finding out a tie doesn't equal a no lynch she dropped on my suspect list. I think she is my only hard civ read right know.
LC sorry to be pestering you, but why is Sloonie scum?

Can someone refresh my mind with why people find Bass suspicious?

Black Rocks slip up and general posting vibes I'm getting would be enough for me to lynch them if I can't find anyone else.

MetalMarsh89 why are you lynching LC again?

I'm sorry ahead of time, but I've been picking apart sig since Day 0, and I was giving him the benefit of the doubt with the outcome of the whole LC/Cobalt debacle depending on Cobalt's alignment. But I still am not certain Cob's alignment...anyway, I went back through sig's history, and he's made a few posts since the end of Night 2. This is one of them.

There's some stuff here that really stands out to me.
-He finds Golden likely clean, since mafia tried to kill him/her. (sorry Golden, I really need to make a cheat-sheet on gender)
But then:
"I think [nijuukyugou] is my only hard civ read right know [sic]."
What? Whereas I'm not wholly convinced njuu is civ, the closest we have to definitive is that Golden is not on Mafia team #2. which has much better odds to assume as res (or independent maaaaybe, but I doubt it)

Honestly, Cobalt looks like independent/terrible civ to me, where LC looks more suspicious of the two. sig does keep asking LC for input, while carefully never accusing him.

"Black Rocks slip up and general posting vibes I'm getting would be enough for me to lynch them if I can't find anyone else."
this reeks of scum read. I think perpetuating her syntax as a "slip-up" is not a slip-up at all. Saying "the other team" as she did made sense in context, because she was talking about another team. That's almost on the same level of picking apart the word "interesting" *cough cough Epi*.
And then her "vibe" is ENOUGH to lynch? That's a pretty big, unsubstantiated lynch vote.

sig's history has him casting suspicion on several people through Day 2, which isn't by itself suspicious. But he's not following through with his suspicions.


I'm actually REALLY curious now of LC's alignment. Because sig has been consulting LC for his opinion quite a lot, I feel.

More in a bit.

So I went back to look at timing.

Epi dies. Epi replaces in. Epi has (I think) only two posts - one where he says 'I know who killed me' and one where he says 'my suspicions haven't changed'. Then TGG asks to be subbed out.

I honestly think it's very consistent with someone who was part of a team that killed epi, that they killed them for cause, and was upset when he was able to sub back in and express the particular sentiments that he did. I think G-Man and LC are a team. I feel less sure that bubbles is, but she definitely could be.

Does it suck that someone subbing out on a matter of principle could sink a team? Yes. But this is why you should always keep your cool in mafia. I guarantee you, when people complain about things being unfair in this game, it's almost always mafia. Because they perceive it has harmed their chances. I don't think Epi's views necessarily held great weight, and I think the reaction to him subbing back in provides a whole lot more information about how important they believed killing epi to be.

I'm switching my vote to G-Man for now.

Sorry G-Man. It's not your fault. I wish you could have subbed in for Bullz. Perhaps if I'd connected the dots sooner, that's how it would have gone down.

I still could see myself voting another way by the end of the day. But for now, gamerguy is the nexus holding my theory together, and if he wasn't bad I'd go back to having no case on LC.

Also sig is still contributing like 1-2 posts in certain increments of time. Not terribly much, but enough that we know he didn't like get lost in space. So I can pick apart his words more than, say, Gumshoe, or DREAM (whoever that is).

Also welcome to the new recruits! I didn't say hello yet. I'm not gonna read too much into their postings until I get to know them. I'm not forgetting the people they subbed in for, though even those initial posters were few and far between, which is unfair IMHO to the newcomers.

I would welcome anyone else's thoughts on this. I would also expect sig to use the same amount of scrutiny for me as I'm doing to him if I were in his boots.

linki- I see where you're coming from on G-Man, Golden, but I don't know if I can get behind lynching G-man this phase right now just for his silly picture books and unfair claiming. But that's something I'll keep a lookout for over the next day.

Scotty - I made that cheat sheet in the thread. Just in topic me and find it!

G-Man/LC/TB/sig

Interesting concept, I might do a readback on the four of them to see if that fits as a theory.

Golden, this ^^ post is the first time I've gotten civ vibes from you all game. I'm not entirely sure I agree with your analysis/theory (I'd need to look closer at TGG's early game, and I'm very, very unsure about LC at this point), but that is a much more Golden, Civilian Mounted Champion and Wielder of Truth-esque post than the rest of the peripheral commentary which has (until this whole TGG/G-Man thing) been the majority of your post content thus far. Keep this up and I'll scratch your pretty name from my suspicion list entirely.

Lion King: posting anyway, I trust you all can deduce which post my "^^" is referring to....

Golden wrote:Epi dies. Epi replaces in. Epi has (I think) only two posts - one where he says 'I know who killed me' and one where he says 'my suspicions haven't changed'. Then TGG asks to be subbed out.

I honestly think it's very consistent with someone who was part of a team that killed epi, that they killed them for cause, and was upset when he was able to sub back in and express the particular sentiments that he did

So do you think TGG lied about his main trouble being bad wi-fi connections as the reason he left? I'm just not sure how much of a little baby someone has to be to be subbed out because of hurt pride.

My fucking autocorrect has apparently been acquired by Disney.

I clearly meant "Linki", not that silly/childhood-destroying Hamlet-on-Safari movie.

Can I ask our host why G-Man is able to be voted for? I was off limits for the day I subbed in....

Golden wrote:G-Man/LC/TB/sig

Interesting concept, I might do a readback on the four of them to see if that fits as a theory.

Let's imagine a hypothetical world in which all these dudes are a team. Hooray, we've caught an entire mafia team!

But oh shit. There's still an entire team out there.

Who do you look at now? What suspicions do you (and this is a universal "you", not just a Golden "you") have that are NOT in any way linked to LC?

Scotty wrote:Also sig is still contributing like 1-2 posts in certain increments of time. Not terribly much, but enough that we know he didn't like get lost in space. So I can pick apart his words more than, say, Gumshoe, or DREAM (whoever that is.

this is another reason i'm more suspicious of him. he's contributing just enough to be above the level of the lurkers, but not enough to really seem involved in anything. very sneaky

Scotty wrote:

Golden wrote:Epi dies. Epi replaces in. Epi has (I think) only two posts - one where he says 'I know who killed me' and one where he says 'my suspicions haven't changed'. Then TGG asks to be subbed out.

I honestly think it's very consistent with someone who was part of a team that killed epi, that they killed them for cause, and was upset when he was able to sub back in and express the particular sentiments that he did

So do you think TGG lied about his main trouble being bad wi-fi connections as the reason he left? I'm just not sure how much of a little baby someone has to be to be subbed out because of hurt pride.

I know TGG told at least only a partial truth about why he subbed out, at best. I'm not saying he doesn't have internet trouble and that this also might have formed part of his reason, but I'm absolutely certain that he did sub out to stand on principle. The part I think is my theory as to why principle mattered to him.

I remember once I posted something in a game thread in non-player blue. In that game I had no idea what was going on or who was bad and I certainly wasn't posting anything deliberately on topic. The mafia complained in that game because I 'drew attention to them'.

What I'm saying is, I think mafia players are hyper-sensitive to the impact of things that don't really have much impact at all, and are much more likely to be upset by something like epi subbing back in. For me, it was no more than a curiosity.

Three things:

1) You guys realize that my first few picture posts were a joke, right? I've stopped doing it because I'm at least partially sane and said I'd never do it for a full game again at the end of Econ. Some of you keep commenting on it as if my words are still coming through as pictures. It's funny in a sad but cute kind of way.

2) I see that some people are interested in possibly lynching me today largely because of what Gamer Guy said/did. While that sucks for me, I can't really be offended without being phony. I get it but I'll try to read back through Gamer's posts and see if there is anything beyond the circumstances of his exit that I can speak to. I was not told anything about who I was replacing, just that I was replacing him.

3) Now that I'm home for the evening, I want to build my game spreadsheet. Can anyone tell me if the votes have been changeable at all before Day 3? That kind of matters for the way I analyze things.

Canucklehead wrote:Can I ask our host why G-Man is able to be voted for? I was off limits for the day I subbed in....

I think it's because you subbed in during the day, and G-Man subbed in at the start of the day, but I'm just guessing.

@G-Man, yes on day one they were changeable, and that's one thing it would be tough for you to construct without reading the thread.

On day two they were not changeable.

Golden wrote:Bass The Clever
FZ
Black Rock
Bullzeye
Canuck
Cobalt
Devin
DFaraday
DREAM
Epignosis
Fingersplints
Golden
Gumshoe
Hedgeowl
Long Con
MetalMarsh89
Neverwhere
nijuukyugou
Nutella
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
Timmer
TinyBubbles
Turnip Head
G-Man

Thanks. I didn't remember who posted this! I updated it a bit. Don't know the gender of the newcomers.

Golden wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Can I ask ourHOST why G-Man is able to be voted for? I was off limits for the day I subbed in....

I think it's because you subbed in during the day, and G-Man subbed in at the start of the day, but I'm just guessing.

Thanks, Host! :P

Scotty wrote:

Golden wrote:Bass The Clever
FZ
Black Rock
Bullzeye
Canuck
Cobalt
Devin
DFaraday
DREAM
Epignosis
Fingersplints
Golden
Gumshoe
Hedgeowl
Long Con
MetalMarsh89
Neverwhere
nijuukyugou
Nutella
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
Timmer
TinyBubbles
Turnip Head
G-Man

Thanks. I didn't remember who posted this! I updated it a bit. Don't know the gender of the newcomers.

I feel like you might have been able to make an educated guess about the last name on your list there....

Scotty wrote:

Golden wrote:Bass The Clever
FZ
Black Rock
Bullzeye
Canuck
Cobalt
Devin
DFaraday
DREAM
Epignosis
Fingersplints
Golden
Gumshoe
Hedgeowl
Long Con
MetalMarsh89
Neverwhere
nijuukyugou
Nutella
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
Timmer
TinyBubbles
Turnip Head
G-Man

Thanks. I didn't remember who posted this! I updated it a bit. Don't know the gender of the newcomers.

G-Man - Man... I mean, I can't blame you for not assuming, I didn't want to assume with 'scotty'. But it's kind of there in the name
FZ - woman.

What's happened to gumshoe, btw? He was a good contributor early.

Canuck ninjad me

Canucklehead wrote:

Golden wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Can I ask ourHOST why G-Man is able to be voted for? I was off limits for the day I subbed in....

I think it's because you subbed in during the day, and G-Man subbed in at the start of the day, but I'm just guessing.

Thanks, Host! :P

You're welcome.

Canucklehead wrote:Lion King-

My fucking autocorrect has apparently been acquired by Disney.

I clearly meant "Linki", not that silly/childhood-destroying Hamlet-on-Safari movie.

LOL thanks for making me laugh out loud today!!

Golden wrote:
What's happened to gumshoe, btw? He was a good contributor early.

This.

Black Rock wrote:I had to go back and find a reason why you would put a "placeholder" vote on me.

Is this the reason why?

The reason the post wasn't submitted was after 24 hours sitting in linkitis my internet crapped out and I lost the post. Otherwise, like you said it is my early game and if that's how you feel you should be more on the fence. Do I have it all wrong here?

I've got a small handful of names I'm interested in today - you, Bubbles, Long Con, G-Man, Cobalt - all of whom have a few things going against them but nothing supa-solid. As of this moment, a vote sitting on you is as good as on any of them, imo. Plus, votes placed = more reactions = more to chew on.

Long Con wrote:

timmer wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con says this recently today. Long Con has not mentioned or interacted with TinyBubbles all game. However, he suddenly states he's seeing her as fishy, but convinces himself otherwise all in the same post.

Trimmed it, but MM's comment about Tiny and LC makes some sense. Tiny has pretty much no input into this game, but managed to defend LC AND jump on my initial Cobalt vote which had been, at the time, based on an erroneous read of his post history. And Long Con managed to pseudo-suspect Tiny without committing to it in a meaningful way. Very interesting read, MM.

What exactly is wrong with my post about Tiny? As I recall, I was posting and thinking at the same time, and my opinion shifted as I went through. It was typed as I thought, with some pauses and brb's as I was doing it, but I left it "as-is" because it represented my real thought process at the time.

Why are you (or anyone) suspicious of my post?

I am amazed at how many people have actually picked up on that case considering how well you defended it.

But voting for you is fun.

I never replied to LC about that. @LC, I just don't like the interaction between the two of you (you and Bubbles). I've explained why in previous posts. Unlike some other people, though, I feel like there is a bit more of a vibe against Bubbles than you.

While reviewing Golden's posts I rediscovered this:

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Upon closer inspection, mine also mentions "role" "check", and "memory." Check only came up once, so I missed it when I glanced at it the first time, but it looks like our PMs are definitely about the same thing then.

OK, now this is interesting to me. Why would we get the same message about a role? I was 2 and you were, what, 26? I see no correlation as of now with the numbWers anyone picked and what our messages mean.
Maybe some roles aren't included in the PMs, which would explain why some people got similar PMs talking about "two" and "time."

Yeah, that's what I've been getting at. So far, we only seem to have evidence of three different PMs. Imagine there are 4... that would mean...

1, 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25
2, 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26
3, 7, 11, 15, 19, 23, 27
4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28

Each got the same one. That would explain why epi, sloonei and I are the same at 5, 17, 25... and you and DF at 2 and 26, so I'm guessing that is what it is. I wonder if there is one for each faction.

I'd basically forgotten about trying to make any sense out of the Day 0 PMs, and the subject has completely dropped out of conversation. Did anyone ever make any further progress than this? What do we know about those messages/roles?

I thought that into the woods sounded like it might have meshed with one of the sets of PMs, but looking back on it I don't think so.

what were all the sets of PMs we got? Are we sure there were four of them?

I think I could only definitively account for three. I never went back and checked who had said anything about their PM, what number they voted, does it match up etc. But my theory fits so well I feel pretty good about it being correct.

Holy shit Sloonei I've been drafting a message talking about bringing that up again for the past 15 minutes. There were only 3 unique PMs. Gonna finish up my draft and post a summary of what I'm thinking soon

Until we hear from people that have been MIA for a day+, here's some speculation here on roles based on the shows, since it's been a while.

So we touched on the PMs received Day 1, and what they may mean. And the ones that were helpful cryptically provided some info on what theirs had. It's known right now that there were at least 3 unique PMs sent out with role riddles. If your name isn't on the list, don't fret. It's only important if you have any more info than what we currently have.
1- something pertaining to 3/4, lyricists, dead (Gumshoe, Cobalt).
I'm thinking 3/4 of Sondheim, Brown, Schwartz & Hammerstein must be dead in order for this role to win. I think it's either Lippa or Rodgers.
2- something pertaining to overrated revivals, memory, single time and role check. (Scotty, DFaraday)
Assuming it's referring to Cats, though it could be Into the Woods (but unlikely, as Dom probably wouldn't say one of his favorites is overrated). Thinking that role can role check someone else once.
3- Golden's interpretation of his: "Upon their death time can stop. A song cycle will follow second, be there. If they are lynched about day two, so what. Row much more than you’d think." (Golden, Sloonei, Epi)
Lots of interesting stuff that could be taken from this. My interpretation of this: Songs for a New World. (total speculation:) Maybe if Jason Robert Brown is killed, "time will stop" and instead the Songs for a New World can take the fall instead. Also sounds like they have an Extra life maybe?

Plus we now have the Into the Woods role mapped out (for reasons unknown).

I'm speculating that Jekyll and Hyde may be behind Cobalt's insanification. It just makes sense to me based on the subject of the musical.

Now, the PMs were given in some reference to the numbers we chose. As Golden suggested with some mathematical prowess, here's some numbering that seemingly adds up:
1, 5 (epi), 9, 13, 17 (sloonei), 21, 25 (golden)
2 (scotty), 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26 (faraday)
3, 7, 11, 15, 19, 23, 27
4, 8, 12, 16 (gumshoe), 20, 24 (cobalt), 28


I'm only going on what was posted, because I can't seem to locate a list of the numbers everyone picked. (Leaving out those that switched out)
LC (1) 1st row
DREAM (6), Bass (22), Devin (10) 2nd row
MM (7), sig (3), njuu (19), nutella (27), Turnip (23) 3rd row
BlackRock (28), Tiny (4), timmer and/or Never (12) is 4th row

I REALLY want to hear more from row 3. So...calling MM, sig, njuu, nutella, and Turnip! Anything to report??

Golden - Golden has the second highest post count in the thread after me, and it took until this post, on the fourth page of his history (reading backwards, from the beginning) until he said something that raised an eyebrow:

Golden wrote:That 'I don't want to' reads weird. What I mean by it though, is I would have if today had been 'cobalt vs LC' in the thread. But if cobalt continues to have cool heels, I feel like the game isn't derailed, and I don't need to use my vote just to end the feud.

It was only a slight raise of the eyebrow at that. This sort of backtracking can sometimes be indicative of scummy behavior, in a player who's trying to cover their tracks. but I've seen it (and done it) just as much or more from a townie player who just wants to express their thoughts as clearly as possible.
And that's the impression I am getting from Golden's post history as a whole as I go through it. He has been consistently engaged and open-minded about the game since Day 0, always weighing in with input or questions when appropriate. I give him town points because of the amount of times I find myself agreeing with him.

If there is to be one overall strain that's worrying me in his posts, however, it's his suspicion against Black Rock, which started here as a small prod against her on Day 1, then resurfaced here on Day 2, and the case has since gained a fair amount of momentum so that BR is now one of the thread's top suspects. Golden has been consistent about this, and I do not mean to say that I am suspicious of this right now, I just wish to point out that Golden picked out a target very early on and there is now a potential bandwagon forming around that target, and this is something I could see a scum player doing, especially in this game.
Overall though, Golden is one of my stronger town reads in this game. If we were to do a Gun-to-Head exercise right now, I'd name Golden as town and Black Rock as scum.

Gumshoe
Gumshoe was my first public suspect because of this Day 0 post and I still feel a little odd about it (though I think he defended himself well against it) as well as his frequent jokes about being Mafia, which gave me the impression of scum trying to compensate for their own scuminess by making it too obvious, in a way.
On the reread, this early post is also catching my attention: It's that bit I've highlighted that's got me most worried. That paragraph reads like scum trying to preemptively snuff any attacks that could be turned against them as a result of this post, like a big blanket of "you can't suspect me", even for something that is incredibly early.

Others have noted that Gumshoe has been completely absent for a while now. I at first suspected that Gumshoe was posting less frequently for much of Day 1 after I had put some suspicion on him because he really was scum and had drawn some unwanted attention right away, but with this prolonged absence, that suspicion has kind of dissolved. I hope Gumshoe is alright and will show back up full of posts soon. Until then, he's a slight scum read from me.

Have the replacements been receiving the Day 0 messages that their originals would have received?

Also, I think actually it's more likely that maybe Lippa is responsible for the Insanifier. Makes more sense for an independent to do that.

Scotty wrote:
Also, I think actually it's more likely that maybe Lippa is responsible for the Insanifier. Makes more sense for an independent to do that.

yeah, i've never played with a role like the insanifier, but I imagine it as an indie ability and not something that a townie or scum role does.

Scotty wrote:I REALLY want to hear more from row 3. So...calling MM, sig, njuu, nutella, and Turnip! Anything to report??

All systems go.

Gamer Guy voted for #21 and received a PM that made no sense to me (the one piece of info I got on his time in the game) but it sounds most like Scotty's #3.

And as far as vote analysis goes, does anyone know if your vote number changes when you change your vote? For instance, if I'm the 3rd vote and I vote for myself but votes #1, #2, and #4 all vote for Player X, will my vote stay as #3 but appear after vote #4 if I switch my vote to Player X? Or does changing your vote reset the vote order #'s? That might help me with my vote analysis. I can try to keep track of vote changes from here out but it's a hassle to follow, especially if someone changes their vote without mentioning it in the thread.

Also, as someone who goes back to the olden days of Lostpedia, I have to say that when either Black Rock or TurnipHead speak, I listen and think. They've got so much history (high on rivalry, low on drama) that it's compelling when one calls out the other. Sure it's been strategic smokescreen at times in the past but I've always found it worth considering. TH totally busted BR in Economics Mafia, so I have to wonder two things- 1) she is either getting revenge via her ability to make it sound like she's got a read on TH, or 2) she's got a read on TH. So I will probably read through any arguments she has made against him tomorrow at lunch. I hope to also throw out any thoughts on 2-day vote analysis thought, as I said before, things usually only heat up after three or four days.

@scotty - does it really make sense that Rogers would want Hammerstein dead? I don't think Rogers seems likely. I don't know enough about other potential candidates to suggest anything, but I do know those two were a pair.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:I REALLY want to hear more from row 3. So...calling MM, sig, njuu, nutella, and Turnip! Anything to report??

All systems go.

linki- no, you're right, Rodgers wouldn't make as much sense as it would as Lippa. Lippa never did a collab with the others afaik

I also do think that the role in my PM may have exercised their ability to stop the day 2 lynch, given Dom posted some video that was called something like 'time stops'.

Day 0 poll for who has each number.

Dom wrote:DAY 0

Which number do you fancy?

Poll ended at Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:54 pm


1
1
Long Con (8) 3%
2
1
Scotty (14) 3%
3
1
sig (18) 3%
4
1
TinyBubbles (10) 3%
5
1
Epignosis (6) 3%
6
1
DREAM (17) 3%
7
1
Metalmarsh89 (2) 3%
8
1
S~V~S (3) 3%
9
1
Bullzeye (7) 3%
10
1
Devin the Omniscient (29) 3%
11
1
Dragon D. Luffy (15) 3%
12
1
timmer (19) 3%
13
1
MovingPictures07 (9) 3%
14
1
birdwithteeth11 (30) 3%
15
1
fingersplints (24) 3%
16
1
Gumshoe (26) 3%
17
1
Golden (12) 3%
18
1
Hedgeowl (31) 3%
19
1
nijuukyugou (13) 3%
20
1
Neverwhere (25) 3%
21
1
XthAtGAm3RGuYX (11) 3%
22
1
Bass_the_Clever (27) 3%
23
1
Turnip Head (20) 3%
24
1
Cobalt (23) 3%
25
1
Sloonei (22) 3%
26
1
DFaraday (28) 3%
27
1
nutella (21) 3%
28
1
Black Rock (4) 3%
High School Musical (hosts/nons)
3
Dom (1), JaggedJimmyJay (5), Heiots (16) 10%
Total votes : 31

Ah nice-
looks like fingersplints and Duffy (now FZ) got that Pm as well.


So MM, I'm not sure why you're being mum and unhelpful. Do you WANT me to be suspicious of you?

Scotty wrote:So MM, I'm not sure why you're being mum and unhelpful. Do you WANT me to be suspicious of you?

Not at all. All I want is to lynch Long Con.

I think I have been quite helpful and have offered some keen observations.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:So MM, I'm not sure why you're being mum and unhelpful. Do you WANT me to be suspicious of you?

Not at all. All I want is to lynch Long Con.

I think I have been quite helpful and have offered some keen observations.

That's all you want? You have a singular purpose in this game, and it is to get Long Con lynched?

Sloonei wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:So MM, I'm not sure why you're being mum and unhelpful. Do you WANT me to be suspicious of you?

Not at all. All I want is to lynch Long Con.

I think I have been quite helpful and have offered some keen observations.

That's all you want? You have a singular purpose in this game, and it is to get Long Con lynched?

Eloquently put Mr. Sloonei.